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Anonymity sucks, anonymity gives everyone to much ropes to hang someone with it or to hang yourself on it.

I think the solution to a better world is if everything(yes everything, every fart) is on the blocckchain.

Currently, most peoples that live in big cities dont even know their neighbor so you dont even know who is living next to you.

How can this be good, anonymity allows for to much sick shit to happen.

I get the point that in ccountries like north korea or china it is better tos tay anoynmous cause the governemnt knows to much about 1, well how is this different in Europe or the USA?

We are beeing watched and surveilled since day 1 and it wont get better anyways.

Because of anonymity governements have to much controll over us becaue they can set us up with fake news etc.

And we have all learned by know that banning doesnt make things any better, look at the war on Drugs, prohibition and even to think you an outlaw guns is more than ridiculous.

So since everything is known about us by big companys that use the information to play us and take us for a ride everday with fake news articles etc, wh not fight for having all of our data public.

On 1 hand we all humans, some are prettier some are more ugly but we all humans we all shit, piss and act like assholes or bitches, everyone of us.

If you dont do anything weird or crazy that you dont want people to know about you dont fuckign do it.
And if you a sick motherfucker we all have the right to know so we can avoid you and you can get the help you need to straighten your ass out.

All that hiding and havign secrets and stuff is only beacuse of the elite- we cant trust the elite and the biggest beneficary of anonymity is not the small guy- its government, cause usually the governemtn develops the best tools for anonymity etc so if they are in posession of these techniques of course tehy use it against us.

I do beleive that if everythign si run decentralized and open for everyone to see, we can know exactly about our governement and we know exactly were things go wrong insteed know we have to trust fake news and lieing presidents taht they tell us the truth- which they most likely dont do anyways but if everything is open and transparent not even the presidents can lie anymore.

I have the feelng that controlled opposition is pshing for more anonymity etc. and i think its wrong-

Right now there are millions of images of how people kill dogs on the internet- and none forces you to watch it, howver you cant stop it either so the best thing is ignore it.

The problem is, with more anonymity the more people will torture dogs or kids or things like that and will have a better chance to spread this (to my moral standard: sicck shit), but if we know everythign about everyone i think people wont fuck on kids or torture animals that much anymore.

The more we people become transparent the less chance for the governemtn to controll us- transparency will end governements, olicitcs and religion

Anonymity is not a solution for sure, rather we need transparency!! A see a lot of bitcoin maximalists people raising their voice for anonymity to sideline the banking and governance route! But that very idea will land bitcoin in big trouble. A majority of the nations are already skeptical about cryptocurrencies in general only because of its anonymous nature! More push for anonymity will harm cryptos beyond measures!

Rather, it's always better to held our heads high with pride to show we have nothing illegal. That change in outlook is needed for us to survive and thrive amidst all surveillance and regulatory concerns.

Respect and acceptance is what we need because these can gradually make the situation better for us. Revolution can stay in our hearts.

only when things are transparent we can change them

you cant work on a car if you dont know shit about a car

how can you help someone if you ask him how are you and he tells you good while in reality he feels like shit

only when we know everything bout the governemnt we can succesfully change it.

it will gradually happen, through the power of AI governemnts will lose more and more on influence, like banks insurance etc will all run on smart contracts, so again transaprency is the only solution to cahnge the systema nd free us from this bullshit politics religion media and finance system that is enslaving humanity since hundreds of years now

Let me tell you a story about our neighbor, she was working on a beauty salon with a salary enough to feed her family. She had another source of income, selling viands to her customers (home made). She go to the wet market every 3 am to collect the ingredients and one morning there were two guys who robbed her, she was nearly killed but it was a miracle for her to be alive. The robbers stabbed her and stoned her enough for her one eye to gouge. She was dragged to the seashore, but the culprits did not knew that she as still alive at that time, Did you know what was the amount of money that was robbed that nearly cost her life? 30 dollars and an old phone that she was using. Imagine if someone knew you had some kind of money that robbers may take interest on them, what would they do to leave no evidence? Kill you of course, and that is the reality. So in some ways we need anonymity, and at some point we need it in a good way.

i get the point but you need to look ahead.

If everything is known about eah other we know exactly the people that dont have money and can stay away from them.
Its not like they only know how much money we have, we would kinda know theri attentions and can so avoid them.

Right now every Bum can dress up and look like money and get in circles where people are with money infiltrate them, spy on them and rob them....

I think a certain balance is needed. There is sensitive information that should not be public, like medical records, details of private life, information about children. And there's also information that should be public, like sources and amounts of income of governmental officials, job offers and other things. A person is safer if the society does not have direct access to the info about this person's wealth. Basically, I am talking about the point made by kaya11. I, for one, do not mind sharing my ID in the supermarket if I buy alcohol, or entering some data online if I buy a train ticket. But giving my passport to a random person or, even more, having it available online for anyone who wants to see it? If this sort of information becomes public, it can be very harmful.

No. You don't have to know everything about a certain person because you can help them. Their business, their lives, not my problem. Whatever they do, it's their doing, and the repercussions are theirs so why the hell would I need to care? Also, material things work differently in a societal setup. Of course it's common sense to know the root problem of some malfunctioned machinery and fix it. But for people? It doesn't work that way.


Not necessary since crypto can pretty much establish itself as a working currency within the surface net if merchants were brave enough to accept it back then. It's just that illicit goods traders saw the opportunity laid out in front of them first before the whole world realized that such a thing can be used for exchange and trade.


Crypto offers transparency only up to a certain extent. If crypto offers full transparency, that would cause mayhem since almost everyone would pretty much be targeting the higher-ups in the rich list and boom, you have caused great trouble by creating crypto.


This highly contradicts the post I have quoted from you. You see, anonymity sometimes helps a ton in our societal setup. Again, you don't need to know everything about anybody because it's their life. You can help, yes, but there are some details that should be left alone for their privacy and it's respect as well.

I think you need to draw the line and make sure you don't the wrong words or mixed it all together. No way in hell if you're being transparent with your live 100% government won't control you. Just take a look at Facebook users. What kind of transparency that they have? It's really transparent to the point that they're doing surveillance over their users.

Anonymity is required at some point, such as if you want to become a whistleblower but still want to protect yourself and your family. You might say that is not required if all company are transparent, but when will that happen?

The problem with people torturing dog is not entirely because they're anonymous. If that's true then all of the people on the internet could literally do that. There's no need to remove privacy and anonymity, you just need better education and some conscience.

I don't think we need anonymity.
But we shouldn't be forced to identify ourselves in transactions where our identity is irrelevant.

And now, for almost everything in our life's we are requested documents. Do you want to buy a shirt? Your Id please.

This makes no sense, as my id is irrelevant when I am buying a shirt.

It is not that I want to anonymously buy a shirt, but that I want to protect my privacy while doing it, because my identification is irrelevant in this kind of transaction

I doubt bitcoin will ever get anonymity features, it takes too much agreement for it to happen and exchanges would probably be forced to take it off due to the government.

Anonymity is necessary because I do not want anyone to know what I spend my money, the money I earned and spend on what I want

anonymity is great, do you want your mom to know you bought a big black dildo from the love shop?
do you want others to know what party you voted for?
do you want others to know how much money you have in your bank account?
do you want others to know your porn history?

What we need is transparent anonymity, I know it sounds weird. It is like knowing that person is a person, but not knowing who that person is.

I call it blockPOP proof of person or population.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5141142.msg50975967#msg50975967

It is like we all know what wallet satoshi`s wallets are, but we don`t know who satoshi is. I guess we would if he did not mix his address before buying from a vendor. There is works around to this to, once the first address is verified that obtains the bitcoin or bitcointime, it does not matter what addresses are that spend it.

Anything has advantages and disadvantages and depends on who uses it.

anonymity can be good for nobody to know about our money and if nobody knows about your money you can be safe (because you protect yourself against thieves)

But there are also people who commit crimes and become anonymous

The problem is not anonymity, the problem is people who use anonymity to commit crimes

The world would be a terrible place then

What you basically suggest comes down to everyone telling the world everything they know, i.e. a society in which there are no secrets. I don't think that such a society is possible in the first place but even if we assumed that it were, it would quickly disintegrate and atomize because it will be impossible to make a simple social contact between two persons. People would know what other people are actually thinking about them by openly declaring their thoughts and attitudes, and that would wreak havoc in social relationships. In other words, some things are better left unsaid, and this is where anonymity, or rather the need for it, kicks in

I don't think being transparent can change the world we lived in because people are people they can different qualities, traits, habits and qualification in life and always contradicts all the time. So, it's best and practical being anonymous at all times just like bitcoin and creator of it that stayed hidden up to this time.

I think it will surely depend on who is needing transparency and not Because it will surely have a bigger perspective in that outlook, Many in the community or gamblers would want to play without the fear of being discriminated by their friends and some would surely want to be safe if they can get a big money, And in the Bitcoin community if we would look it on that perspective we can sure say that many in the community would want the safety of their Identity and family or relative, Just like what Satoshi did he would surely sacrifice the fame for the security of his family and relatives, Well, even though there are certain disadvantage of being anonymous, There are still a huge sum for its Advantages in my opinion.

Anonymity obviously has good and bad things behind it, the good being able to protect your privacy and keep the things you want to be hidden, hidden, and the bad side is obviously the regulations and illegal things you can accomplish while being unknown.

Your argument is invalid though. Your saying due to some people who abuse the system, the entire system should be changed and stronger rules need to put in place.

The issue isn't anonymity, it's the companies and people that abuse the system and use it to accomplish bad, illegal things. Governments need to focus on shutting those people down, instead of changing the entire system.

On the other hand if these guys were known or exposed they won't be doing such stuff.  Being anonymous makes this guys do what they wanted.  Since, if they commited a crime and no one knows the identity of the perpetrators then they will just do it again and again just like what the government official do.  Due to the non-transparent transactions, they can steal how much they wanted to take.  If it is transparent then this corrupt official won't even dare to steal a single cents from the government funds that suppose to go to the development of the country.

the word 'anonymity' could not have existed if not because people are tired of rates at which government want to know everything about people. How will you feel if someone even know you more than you know yourself ;D. People are really opting for anonymity because they think there is a need for them to be protected. my major concern is are we truly anonymous? many projects preach anonymity yet they want us to provide our identity for kyc. If truly an 100% anonymity exists, the world could have become a better place.

You made good points OP, truly anonymity is not the key, as it rubs that 'togetherness' in socialising with people.
But that has to do with socialisation and relating with people, when it comes to funds, anonymity plays a vital role.
With the way the Internet is becoming more hostile and misusing information, it best one remains anonymous.

Much more in reality we need anonymity and stay anonymous because of some certain things that happen around us or.even in our neighborhood. Imagine you be known as a Bitcoin holder and the price hit $30k tomorrow, what do you think will happen to you as the holder who has no anonymity or.stay anonymous? We need to be frank with each one of us and say the truth, we need anonymity along transparency.

Explained well OP, still fresh in my mind and it depends what you mean by anonymity. If you mean simple atomicity while still being able to do stuff, then yes you can do it hiding behind and not being transparent. Anonymity also is protecting us from possible hacking once they know that we have our own personal money and deposit in the bank instead.

Fully agree on the statement that everything is about transparency. What the blockchain advocates is the transparency of transactions being in public to all people. No person can EVER omit, change, or add to the transactions to manipulate the people.

I listened to a discussion on TEDtalk about the basics of the blockchain and it discussed about its application on a practical perspective on products. Not only it applied a practical aspect but it also talked about the future application in processes in a business!

I can’t understand. It’s about those who mock dogs or dishonest government?I fully agree with The first option.Anonymity is needed ,to put it mildly, not quite honest people.But the second option drove me into a stupor.What kind of transparency do You talk about when you mean the government (no matter whose country)? No state in the world will conduct a fully transparent policy.It's a priori impossible.And what does the expression ,,put an end to public policy,? If this is the case, then who will govern the countries? The crypto community? Aliens?Maybe I deviated from the topic, but the basic meaning of your desire is clear to me and, in principle, I agree with him. If everything is absolutely transparent, then life will really become happy for everyone. But I can’t even imagine what needs to be done to implement this plan.

Its like a double edge sword where it do give out protection and also does give out the risk on involving yourself into online fraud or your personal info is being sold out.

This is why crypto market becomes too popular because of anonymity features.People do really love to be on private but due to government regulations we do always being tied up with verification requirements.

OP wants to know neighbours and be aware of every fart :D I imagine his neighbors don't share his passion.

Do you want everyone to know everything about you? Doesn't this give a lot of rope to hang others on? You know that your neighbour is buying gold so he must be rich and maybe has some gold at home. Now not only you know that but also half of the city.

Things like this happen. No matter how much anonymous you are, if you are unlucky to fall in their hands, there is nothing you can do to avoid that situation. You see, those robbers found only 30 bucks on her and beat the hell out of her. The same thing would have happened to a person carrying 1000 bucks. Instead of hiding, isn't it better to take proper steps (by the people/government) to eliminate those crimes/robbers?

Talking anonymity and transparency seems to have their pros and cons and i agree that anonymity might get the crypto market to be in big trouble in the long run. Certain transparency for someone's belonging is enough to judge that they don't have any illegal activity behind on their properties.

You are making things too complicated and suffer a headache out of it. You are creating a big problem out of nothing and then worry about it too much.

What has Bitcoin anonymity got to do with torturing dogs and kids? My god! Are you one of the victims? For your information, the anonymity that Bitcoin has as a feature refers to transactions. Transactions on the Bitcoin blockchain do not bear any personal information of the parties involved.

And talking of transparency, it is also what the blockchain is very proud of. Everything could be verified by anyone. It is open to all, each and every single transaction is public.

We just want freedom, that is just it.

I've been using fiat for a long time and there are a lot of protocols to be followed, a lot of rules we should know and follow and that sometimes block us to what we should do. The payments that should be easy and quick became long and so annoying that is why cryptocurrencies are the best with its decentralization and anonymity to back that up.

We need it for the countries where the bitcoins is banned , where people are not allowed to hold their digital assets and it is often , this is something that makes you sell your bitcoins right before the new law is supposed to be passed , what I think is in those countries this matters , because there is no clear evidence that who this person is .. who is using bitcoins .
Those ridiculous laws makes it completely unreasonable for the people to actually do something.
I think this helps to ...spread bitcoins even when there is no hope.

Even without cryptocurrency, they can still do this.

A lot of cases of money being laundered and they are not using cryptocurrencies. Corruption is so popular to every country, still without the use and being legal of cryptocurrencies. Illegal trade and any other illegal acts can still be done without cryptos so I don't think we should have a problem with that. The only problem the government faces is how will they be able to put a tax on these cryptos.

Anonymity in cryptocurrency is financial freedom of choice. Many are tired of the almost complete control of us by governments, which became possible due to the high level of technological progress. The Internet, mobile phones, computers, video cameras at every step, create the ability to practically control every step we take. If we still do a KYC check on almost every transaction, there is practically nothing personal left in us and many disagree with this. People should still have the right to choose. You can not suspect all people of criminal acts and monitor everyone. This humiliates us. Therefore, certain anonymity should be, including in the financial sector.

Anonymity is a double edge sword, most of us who really loves bitcoin or crypto currencies really likes anonymity as we can do almost all the things that we like without being monitored by someone or by the government.

In this case, we can enjoy the use of crypto currencies to it's fullest without worrying. But in the other hand, anonymity is also an advantage to all shady transactions especially those illegal doings which is not good also.

Well I know that anonymity is very important to us, but we also need to know that high anonymity is also not good. And it is true that high anonymity makes way for a criminal to continue to commit their crime. But on the other hand there is also truth in what the OP is saying, when anonymity gets higher then there is no more opportunity for the government to regulate us and regulations could be useless.

I think anonymity is OK, as long as we know what we have to anonymize. Actually not everything we have must be anonymous, for me, I will transparency what is not my privacy. Likewise the government does not need to do full transparency, but only what is needed.

Many people don't want anyone to know how or way they do their business with cryptocurrencies. That is why they need anonimity. And I agree that is good to have possibility not to reveal identity unles you want to.
Still anonimity could be misused and some people hide their bad intentions and illegal activities and that is the reason why anonimity should be kept under certain control.

Recently, you need to maintain anonymity to everyone who works not only in the crypto-currency market, but also earns good money with the help of another business. Time is now wrong, especially in the countries of Central and Eastern Europe. I'm not talking about Asia, because there is a cost more difficult. Anonymity for the cryptoval training users is primarily their security.

how can you help someone if you ask him how are you and he tells you good while in reality he feels like shit ??? ??? ???

I think this message goes more to the authority because they are the ones that are being too secretive about everything that they do and we really need transparency in our country, it is this anonymity that has made lots of countries producing corrupt leaders that are just making money out of their citizens by stealing from them through the anonymous system they all claim they operate on in the power house.

It is Time to really embrace and push for decentralization, even the government must make sure that all their system are fully decentralized from even the voting system so that everything can be transparent, but the issue is who would push for this decentralized system? Expect we keep pushing it in the little way it has been which take lot of years before it will can creep into government system.

About 80% of people in the crypto ecosystem believe that anonymity is the best option for financial transactions on a decentralized system due to the fact that anyone can easily monitor and track every transactions made on the network. But me personally, I don't see anything useful with anonymity.  I don't really think the crypto space needs it.

But how are we going to do this in practice?

As the saying goes, you can't solve a problem relying on those who created it. But given how corrupt the current political landscape is (in any country of your choice), you wouldn't really expect the government to embrace decentralization, for example, in the voting system in order to make it completely transparent and "provably fair", so to speak. Elections are an instrument of power and they won't let it go

Further, those more powerful will always have more options available to them for making their financial transactions anonymous and keeping them that way. That's basically why they are against anonymity in general. It is only through someone more powerful who they were unlucky or unwise to lock horns with that their little financial shenanigans become known and publicized (read, it doesn't change anything in the bigger picture)

If a person sends a tip in bitcoin, he or she may not want the recipient to know how much money they have.   Anonymity protects both sender and recipient from potential harm.

If a person inadvertently receives some bitcoin that can be traced to previous use in an illicit transaction, that bitcoin is potentially worth less than other bitcoin.  Anonymity makes bitcoin more fungible so 1 BTC always equal one BTC.       

In Norway, little by little people are using el. banking to pay for goods and services. Soon they are going to be the first country to use only el. banking money. All is transparent, no anonymity.

But is an all transparent ecosystem good? In sort of - yes, but would you like it when you know that someone has access to all your funds? And more, if all the money was controlled by one or few banks, doesn't that mean that they control the world? If you don't agree to something they would be able to simply disconnect you and that would be it, you would have nowhere to go.

Crypto is the other story, but as you mentioned it lacks transparency, you can pay for illegal things more easily.

I believe, that we need some anonymity. Not much, but just to keep some control in our own hands. Just in case.  :)

You might not need anonymity and that's a good thing. But the world is not same everywhere. In some oppressive countries, citizens are restricted from financial freedom.
In some countries, there's no freedom of speech or a freedom of fair jurisdiction. Here anonymity is the only way people can survive without killing their ideas.
Even is some so called free nations, Government uses surveillance to categorize people and push mass propaganda's. That's why anonymity is a tool to freedom.

It is our right to remain anonymous in the public and it is also our protection, but what it makes a change now is that the government wants to be transparent. It has the advantage as it could stop those individuals who tried to do illegal activities and they couldn't hide anymore their real identity.
Though some of us have good intentions to keep anonymous, however, it is good to be fair and transparent.

Transparency is already in the blockchain, we know where the coins originally, where it goes and where its being transacted to be converted into fiat, that's very transparent. But if transparency means names of the individuals connected to the blockchain wallets, that's pretty much an over kill besides we don't want names associated to our wallets because that's attracting criminals to come onto your doorstep.

I don't like the idea about making all this information public, because what we can lose in that moment is our freedom. I don't like to be watched and recorded on any action i do, i don't like people knowing where i spend my money or how i get that money. And the problem about making that information public is big companies will use that info to sell you X product.

I think anonymity is still very important, because there are many situations where anonymity can help us overcome power imbalances and exercise our rights.

Speaking of the reason why we need anonymity in the crypto sphere. The cryptocurrency was created as an alternative payment system which will make people financial freedom and crypto cant achieve if the system is centralized. However, Trump ex-chief strategist also confirmed cryptocurrencies are the key to national liberation and it all because of anonymity.

i really don't agree with you at all, everyone deserve to have some privacy at some point in life, not everything should be thrown open in the public for everybody to see, not because of the elite we have secret, the non-elite also wants private life away from the prying eyes of the public, i bet you won't have any problem with a camera hanging around you in your home, office and everywhere, your wanting to have some privacy has nothing to do with any government intentions good or bad.

Gosh, your comparison of freedom with a rope reminded me of Supernatural)
One of the main characters said that "Freedom is a length of rope. God wants you to hang yourself with it.”
And from such point of view, I should agree, because of anonymity people do certain things and get away with it. But what we all expect from blockchain technologies is that they will bring us transparency. And it, in turn, should bring order in the countries and honesty

All we need is transparency I believe. Because for example we don't know exactly what is going on with banking system. If we use a system like cryptocurrencies have, everything will be transparent and governments won't be able to do whatever they want.

Hold on!! hold on!! I feel it the other way there should be anonymity. Why the hell should someone know how much funds you have earned and hold.

You mentioned
Coming to this point. If your are rich enough to through parties or if you do not mind spending on others then whole world we take out time to know you or get in touch with you or be a friend of yours. This shows that people are only interest in money and not in you. This technology is help you keep that greed causing data anonymous. Rest of the data is open to all on blockchain.

It seems that all the transactions are traceable but how about the one doing this, have we know him/her? We can still remain hidden.

Though there is no need to become anonymous but like as one feature of crypto, it still can be. That is why the government look into crypto suspicious and unreliable thing that can't be trusted. There is no wrong with that but somehow some people are using this "anonymity" to make illegalities that could make authorities to hold and banned crypto.

thats one of the reason why people need to become anonymous and not just because they wanted to do shady deals but unlike you , i first joined crypto not because of its anon feature but i find it cool to have a digital currency that are less stricter and less hassel than the exiting digital payment methods  . you did mention that gambling is restricted ? but you can still  use some censorship circumvention tools so that you are not trackable aside from using a crypto .

I agree with this. The problem is that some of us are abusing this anonymity when they are using cryptocurrency, that is why the Government are skeptical about crypto, which we can't blame them if they are taking the precautions. Also because of news that a lot of people are using cryptocurrencies to scam other people, they also think that it is no good to be implemented as a way of paying stuffs online or not online.

We need transparency and discipline to ourselves, for cryptocurrency to be adopted by the whole population around the globe, let's stop being selfish and greedy.

We all have different opinions regarding things but for me,having both anonymity and transparency could work better than pushing only one. It's better to have perfect balance. Too much anonymity can do something bad, same with having too much transparency. How can you say that the more we become transparent, the lesser the government can control us? Where in fact, being too transparent may also lead to be controlled by others. Imagine, they know all of your information because you're too transparent.

What I'm trying to say is that, we don't only need transparency but also anonymity, with the proper use of the two.

I really love anonymity and I think that it should be combined with KYC mechanisms in order to work flawlessly.
We need transparency in the network. There are so many protocols which can provide us KYC features and encrypted inside the blockchain, thus we are anonymous and transparent at the same time.

You don't want anonymity, publicize everything about yourself, but don't use force to impose your whims and beliefs in the rest of us. 

An animal lives in a state of perpetual transparency, a human does not if the human wants to be free. Just because you don't care about your liberty, don't sell the rest of us down the river to assuage your conscience.

Different strokes for different folks mate, why some hate anonymity other's want it, and I am among those who love having their privacy, I think we all need some level of privacy, can't just throw all you personal information to the open for everyone to see, I will always have certain info private if I can,
You can always get to know people without letting too much of your personal stuff out, anonymous is good, I don't see why I should be watch 24hrs like I did something wrong,  as a human I deserve to have my privacy period.

Anonymity may not be the end time solution to all the issues with this crypto industry but it surely adds to its advantage. I believe it was that ability of Bitcoin to anonymity in the beginning that drew most people to it from the onset. Sometimes, people need to mask their earnings and investments, especially during an era of global insecurity such as we have now.

Well said, throughout the world there is global insecurity. This will cause our funds being stolen or make us exposed. When there is anonymity we only know what we've and there is no need of fear. This is where anonymity serves as advantage while governments describe its usage on terrorism and other illegal substances as the reason for statements against cryptocurrency.

So you're saying that we need anonymity because people want to avoid paying taxes? This is a stupid reasoning. Most people would pay their crypto taxes if they knew the government was fair and just and would never come after them asking where did they get the money and trying to investigate them and know their spending habits.

What I'm scared of is being on some secret list of bitcoin holders that can be later used to tax me further because some politician decides that bitcoiners are bad for the economy.

Your post was interested until I got to the end. What the hell?! By the way you can do things about it and ignoring it means you ok with it, If you don't report it you support it. I am not sure where the hell the dog stuff came from. Knowing who people are will not stop that kind of behaviour because those people don't care. I don't want to know who my neighbour is since I may not like it. YOu sound paranoid.

Saying your privacy is not important because you have nothing to hide is like saying you do not believe or need free speech because you have nothing to say.

I think that anonymity is a right, but considering how some events are happening, we are farther from getting or keeping anonymity, when we do trading, in the known Exchanges we must have our KYC, and at the same time they classify it in levels, many Sometimes it is not good to discover our data, because influential people or institutions will see what we do, I think that every day we are already losing this characteristic or right.

It sooner we lost this anonymity features in crypto as most exchanges are asking for KYC verification for some purposes. We would like to stay anonymous but I think isn't important now, in some way that we could help to solve money laundering and fraud because of KYC we did. It makes that everything we do in crypto will be traceable and can be monitored. We feel no worries when crypto turns like this cause unless we hide something or doing illegal activities that we would likey keep untraceable.

I agree that we don't need anonymity. But, we shouldn't be controlled. So, I like the decentralization part a lot. And not interested about anonymity. I have nothing to hide and no one to fear.
However, I don't like to let any one to have a controlling device.

Well, I tend to somewhat disagree with this view

Everyone has their little secrets which they don't want to share with anyone, including friends, relatives or even their partner. And that's normal since otherwise the life would simply be unbearable. But these little secrets and tiny lies seem impossible without a certain level of anonymity, and still more so in financial matters (since we are talking mostly about crypto here). But if there is no anonymity, there will inevitably be some tools of control installed as these things are inseparable (though the connection may not be very obvious and straightforward)

When technology keeps evolving we keep losing our privacy level,now google and facebook know what we do from wakeup to bed due to own smart phone tracking now they are trying to know everything about own savings as well to target deep if this happens then we can't live our life in the way we wanted.

this is true but this is false at the same time . why i could say that ? well true because there are now high tech gadgets that can easily track people beyond gps technology  . false becuase there are also gadgets that are now verry secure compare to the gadgets before  . take a look at your smartphone , it has now finger print and face detection aside from traditional passwords .

 in cryptos we dont really need anonimity because we are legit and we dont need to hide anything  but  idk to some individuals .

For me anonymity is the best asset why I enter cryptocurrency and this same reason why I will stay here

Of time comes that we changed to transparency?then why need to stay here when they Both Banks and crypto are controlled by governments?

I would rather stock my money inside my cabinet than trusting both lol

Printing is necessary for us. We should not reveal the identity and the amount of money we hold, it will cause danger when you can face robberies, scams, hacks, ... Besides, anonymity helps you No need to face legal issues when engaging in dealing with large amounts of money.

WE?  Speak for yourself.  The nature of freedom is that there are inalienable rights not subject to the whim of the majority. Freedom of expression is one of them.

If you value freedom, anonymity is critical. If you value control and authoritarianism (fascism, socialism, communism etc) you don't want anonymity because it will interfere with your control over everyone else.  Control is a siren song, but the odds are you won't be the one in control, you'll be the one controlled.

Anonymity does not always have benefits and importance in this modern world. Indeed, anonymity protects our privacy, but this anonymity can be misused and can be bad for others by committing fraud. It's just that people have to be more careful with suspicious people and avoid strange things.

What do you think finger print sensor and face detection is high security to our smartphone?

What could you do if someone cut your thumb or head to crack your mobile. ::)

But this security I am not talking about,all the smartphones could be traced by companies like google and facebook if their apps were installed on it.

Thats not necessarily as for me
Today, in 2019 we have a lot of exchanges where we can upload documents without any risks

Anonymity isn't anything good, especially not in the cryptocurrency world. To be honest, I feel definitely safer when I use a cryptocurrency exchange with mandatory registration and verification. It's all about users' safety. Now I use CoinDeal and I'm glad that every user need to be fully verified to trade. It makes me calm. So, if we were anonymous everywhere on the internet, it would be a huge risk of scams etc.

I'm not really against KYC but people worry about their information being used or stolen/hack and use it for illegal activities.


the "risk" people talks about is that the company you submitted it to is using your information for other purposes without
your knowledge/permission that is why there are a lot of people that are against KYC.

i think having control over yr income and tax free is one with a save in everyone knowing what yo worth which in most cases cause attack on our personality and life . so staying anonymity is far better and secure one future for whay you dont want.

If you feel the need safety that you can't provide for yourself, just stick with fiat and credit cards.  Please don't import the training wheels from there into the Tour de France, it only slows those athletes down.

This was the most disgusting thread I ever read within Bitcointalk. All of us value our anonymity dearly. I don't know about the OP, but I would never allow the government or the authorities to peep in to my private life. Well.. I guess that's why we call it "private life". Our hobbies... interests... and even fetishes...  they are not for public entertainment.

But nowadays, there is no respect for individual privacy. In the name of surveillance, the government agencies routinely spy on our communications (phone calls, web chats.etc) and even on our internet history. And even worse, sometimes the hackers and the criminals get hold of these records and they use them to blackmail the individuals.

That really sounds like a piece of sarcasm to me

Mandatory registration and verification are not in the least a guarantee against scams (if that was your point). So your feeling of safety is false and not based on anything real. And as others already said, the personal information you provide at registration can be stolen or just sold to interested parties, whatever those might be. Do you still feel how calm that makes you?

That is one big naivety right there my friend.

This is a slap question, if anonymity does not exist in the first place, do you think the society, government, culture, people, etc. existence will be the same as now?

Yes, the government should be transparent, but to some extent. Their "operations" are supposed to be anonymous. Oh, I know you'll reply: "what about the corruption of politicians?". That's why I said, "to some extent". Secrecy isn't a bad thing, it makes ppl feel "secured". Imagine an alien space ship crashed landed to Earth and the so-called government take notice and take action of this, and immediately say, "Oh hey our beloved ppl, we are to announce that an alien ship had crashed landed into our world, and we are currently investigating now". Imagine what will the ppl feel, think, say about that. Prolly majority or half of the ppl will panic and will think about "alien invasion". And to make these ppl calm and feel secure, they will keep it "confidential".

Sure anonymity will prolly solve "terrorism"; lessens/exterminate crimes but the thing is, just because of certain countries like China and North Korea merely abolishes anonymity, all countries should implement it as well.

Think about it this way, if everything is transparent, then why do we need banks, schools, clearance, security, heck why do we even need the government if everyone knows EVERY single one.

Maybe I misunderstood the statements of a person, but it seemed to me that we are talking about the possibilities of protecting the right to property, if you can prove that you own not only some account on the exchange, but also a wallet with cryptocurrency, where it was verified and provided personal data.  If you take for example the My Ether Wallet wallet, who is the owner, who actually has a password, a file key or a secret key, but it is almost impossible to determine the original owner.  And if the account or wallet is registered by email, and personal data is recorded, then by means of a trial you can prove not only that you are the owner, but also protect your rights on other issues.

Haha well said, crypto wallets are actually a so called personal banking with our own security. People who have the knowledge to use the wallet can be use it with out any interuption of bank or payment providers.
Anonymity is word drive every people equally in the crypto market, so better these kind of thread should be avoided by people to stop the confusion.

Do you know if that coindeal exchange you are using the team behind it are fully vetted as well? Why the exchange are very kin on kyc who will verify the exchange as secured enough to guarantee safety of my funds? i take it you won't like to trade in a completely decentralized exchange since there is no kyc submission in such exchange,
i don't see the point of presenting my personal information to total strangers, that is why it is called personal not public information.

I think this is because having an anonymity method will make transaction security safer and more comfortable, This anonymous method can be a better transaction method so many people who will use this method for business.

Yes, it may work, in theory

But in practice I have yet to see even a single case where it helped to get the money from your balance back even if you could actually prove the ownership. How many exchanges which required verification had scammed or been hacked in the past few years? Did this verification helped to retrieve the stolen coins, apart from personal info being stolen too? We are living in the real world, worts and all, not some KYC lalaland

Anonymity is very important in today's world and I hope we will be able to keep it in the future

I totally agree.

I don't know what these people are trying to prove to be honest. I'm starting to think that they're just a bunch of "idealists". Not be rude but, I can really feel the naivety of these people. It's a blockchain for god sake. These stolen coins and personal info that is being used by other people for their personal gains is the internet in a nutshell. If these people are thinking the internet is safe then they have to re-evaluate themselves, there's always a risk, you have to always expect it.

These kinds of incidents are unavoidable, that is why you also have to always have a plan B.