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UPDATED 29.08.2019

From a couple of days on Twitter, there are multiple comments about new Satoshi, which popped up suddenly with a new web page, where he reveals in three parts, his true identity and the real story behind Bitcoin. Additionally, he shows proves to be real Satoshi, like addresses, signatures, etc..

If you haven't heard about this yet I encourage to look at this page and read the content provided to know the story a little better.

Here link: https://satoshinrh.com/

I will refrain from quoting the author or to show the proves he provided. I think every interested member should read the content on his own to make a clear point of few.

Just want to ask the Bitcointalk community: What do you think about this new Satoshi? Is this the real one or another scammer?

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Personally, I think that this is no coincidence that we see all these new Faketoshis popping up every week. I assume this is very good after the drama with CW because the importance of the true identity of Satoshi Nakomoto and impact on Bitcoin and the community is smaller with every new revelation.

I will not say that the real Satoshi doesn't matter and it would be great to finally know who he really is and to give him a Nobel price in the future but for sure every new Faketoshi matters less and less, which will finally stop all the madness, when this headlines will be no more such a lucrative click bites making so much noise.  

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Finally great news from CW case!!! He has to pay 50% of all mined BTC back to Kleimans family and additionally 50% of the intellectual property from Bitcoin creation.

Of course, CW (Faketoshi) has now the right to not accept this judgment and go further with court cases, but the first one is already lost and the judge calls CW a simple lier.

Thisissogood to see such outcome but from another side when I start thinking about it then I start to worry because the amounts of BTC are overwhelming and we can not forget that Kleimans family would have  to pay 40% in taxes from the received amount which can be the reason for price dump if they will have to sell BTC to pay the tax.

What do you think about this? Is this another threat? Or CW doesn't have this BTC in the first place and there is no Tulip fund which releases this coins 21 January 2020?

No....

Whenever I program a project, I push everything to git and make two backups offline... Why wouldn't they have done this with their wallet.dat?

I didn't get the whole way through that article as a bit of it was in broken English and I was questioning why someone would have a copy of the times paper and then write unbroken English (just a thought)...

I love how this new guy says this about the other pretend-Satoshis: "I challenge them to move even 0.0001 bitcoin from my lost fortune", but is unable to do so himself.

Seriously though, I met the real real Satoshi at the pub yesterday. You must believe me because I said so.

Lol, then I believed you now. Please describe the identity of real Satoshi, I can't imagine how it looks like the founder of Bitcoin.

Obviously, the writer of the article that claims he is the real Satoshi is wanted to have exposure on his site. If the real Satoshi revealed his self for what reason? Bitcoin will work now itself and that is fine. I noticed also that there is subscribe button on the article, hmmm.

Every forks from bitcoin is shit coins, if not scam ones; every people appear and claim as real Satoshi is fake Satoshi. They do this to scam naive people and get easy money.
If Satoshi Nakamoto did not appear in 2017, why he appears nowadays? It does not make sense.
Additionally, the given site looks like a trash one, very poor-design, that is not fitted for marketing or not simple as same as the way Satoshi created the forum and its interface.
Satoshi, if really reappears, has no reason to prove that he is real Satoshi. Prove for what? Just say "I am Satoshi" and sign a message from his address. There is unnecessary to show laptop, and other unnecessary things.

This Satoshi Nakamoto dude previously called cypherpunks, "cyberpunks" like WTF LOL. It's not even a typo as it was mentioned a few times. It was edited by the writer when it received a lot of backlash on Twitter.


Here's the archive link: https://web.archive.org/web/20190818204650/https://satoshinrh.com/my-reveal-part-1/

There are hundreds of twitter today that call themselves, satoshi-nakamoto, but all of them have not been found true original identity.

Like in this news: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/yoavvilner/2019/05/30/can-the-real-satoshi-nakamoto-or-craig-wright-please-stand-up/amp/

But there is one Twitter account that states the original and fake unique words.

Quote Twitter:
Ironically both the real Satoshi and the fake Satoshi have brought us together.

Link: https://mobile.twitter.com/erikvoorhees/status/1116872398756651009

At least until now Satoshi, has given his discovery in the field of Economics (Bitcoin) to his future children, who are brilliant.
satoshi-nakamoto, is a parent who understands the lives of his children and grandchildren going forward. So that the generation of Bitcoin continues to advance and develop,
Maybe in this world only one (like satoshi-nakamoto), who sees his grandchildren throughout the world, is becoming more prosperous through Bitcoin, even though he is gone, but his services have remained immortalized in the history of human life from 2009 onwards.

And what made him awaken after a deep sleep suddenly? Lol!

Satoshi did exist. Whoever he is, he's a legend and doesn't want to reveal himself except for his name or pseudoname. There's no point for him to come out like that which he could have achieved more easily if he logged in his bitcointalk account and posted that he's back.

Although personally I would love to know who was really Satoshi in my lifetime though :D

nowadays every time i see a new claim i only become happier because the more scammers come forward claiming to be Satoshi, the less the effect of their scam is going to be. eventually it becomes a common thing that nobody would give a shit about when someone starts some nonsense about being Satoshi.
this dude is funny too, most of what he wrote is from him spending some time googling bitcoin, from the 980k bitcoin guessed to be owned by Satoshi till the end.

It's a NO for me.
Even in some social media, as some of my friends are being curious who is really Satoshi Nakamoto, like it is a really big matter for them. And they even don't know how really bitcoin works. They have the time to read some fake claims of being Satoshi Nakamoto while they don't try to read Bitcoin's whitepaper  :D
https://i.imgflip.com/38f584.jpg

What a meaningful image! Bitcoin vision presented in its Whitepaper made by Satoshi more than 10 years ago. Bitcoin has actually grown well without appearance and participation of Satoshi recent years. Do we really need to find Satoshi Nakamoto? No. I don't think so. Bitcoin Core team can work well to keep upgrading Bitcoin network, so the role of Satoshi Nakamoto is not essential since the day of dissapearance.
It is a good visualization, not only for Satoshi drama, but also for crypto investors in general. Most of new crypto investors, just ask "What should I do to get rich with crypto investment/ bitcoin investment? and How to get rich, please tell me?" They don't care to spend their time to read what is bitcoin, blockchain, ledger, blockchain explorer, decentralization, transaction fees, blockhalving scheme, and more fundamental terms. They are distracted so far from what they should start

I can't remember how many people have identified themselves as Satoshi.
I think Satoshi will be found by someone, someone will announce this secret.
In the past 10 years Satoshi has chosen anonymity, and now there is no reason for him to announce his identity.

Satoshi is a deity. He invented the wheel and fire, and he hasn't revealed his identity for doing that, so why would he do it for his latest creation - Bitcoin.

I think you nailed it.

All of this is made for a purpose and exactly because of the reasons, you described above. Finally, there will be so many Satoshis that this would have no effect on the crypto community at all.

When the first Satoshi was found by a journalist this was very big news for quite some time. Later there were one or two another Satoshis but the most important real faketoshi is Craigh W. and he keeps playing the drama already for a while. Now we have a new Satoshi every week and finally, this has no impact as we can see from this thread.

People start to laugh and make jokes actually when they hear such revelation about new Satoshi every week and this is a good thing for the crypto community. The importance of Satoshi Nakomoto true identity becomes less important with every new Satoshi. This is a very well known tactic used already multiple times by the intelligence to misinterpret the facts and their importance.

I think every real crypto enthusiast knows already who the real Satoshi was and that he is dead from a couple of years. We should let him rest in peace because he deserved it.

He is an obvious fraud. He is now shilling an ICO:

https://i.imgur.com/0gOad14.png

He also can't even spell Hal Finney's name:

https://i.imgur.com/jZXqYKa.png

Anyone claiming to be Satoshi Nakamoto, without signing a message with the genesis key is a scammer.

it is just another scammer, I wont be suprised if it reveals that the real Satoshi is Craig Wright lol

The Hal Finney part is at least disgusting...there is a limit when trying to promote yourself.

Second, found this on reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/cseelt/new_faketoshi_is_to_stupid_to_remove_exif/


Yeah, hides from the world for 10 years, then uses an iPhone and forgets the EXIF info....tottally legit.
Happy doxxing everyone :P

There is only one true fake Satoshi and that is Craig Wright  ;D.

If the real satoshi wanted to make himself known I'm sure he could easily do it in multiple ways. But ask yourself this, why did the real satoshi go to such great lengths to hide his identity. It's almost like he didn't want to be found. These other guys seem desperate to be found and want to make you believe they are satoshi just for their own financial gain. Again, if the real satoshi did want to re-appear, I'm sure he would and could easily prove it in multiple ways (unless he's dead, then probably impossible).


Well there you go. He's just trying to get attention to promote something he's involved in. Case closed.


Damn. I'm busted.

Additional...  ;D
https://preview.redd.it/gxktc679nhh31.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=b36f14561ecc96f42175fba7d0d0dea4b80bb1c9
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/csp5zt/its_that_simple/

What a joke :)

Please read this article for more fun info stuff:
https://chaintimes.com/satoshi-nakamoto-expose-deception-candor/

I thought about all these addresses with Bitcoins from the first blocks which for sure belongs to the real Satoshi and there is a very big possibility that they are actually lost, taking into consideration how much money it was on ATH at the end of 2017 and that nobody cashed out this fortune. Additionally, this year nobody touched them, even when BTC was on 14K again. I think lost keys would be the only reasonable explanation. Another explanation is that they are in a multisig wallet and one of the keys is lost but the outcome is the same - lost keys.

 ;D ;D ;D Or CW the only real faketoshi is telling the truth that they are stored in a fund and will be released next year.  ;D ;D ;D

You made me laugh. If I am Satoshi, and a biggest bitcoin enthusiast, I will not cash out my bitcoin within next 20 years (of course, if I am not an elderly already). I thought about that assumption: Satoshi might mine lots of bitcoin in early days, weeks, months, and Satoshi actually not only own bitcoin in Genesis block. If I am Satoshi and plan for my dissapearance, I will mine bitcoin in unknow addresses.  8)

I don know if you have read these revelations from this new faketoshi but he explained in the second part of his story that he lost this 980.000BTC because of a hard drive crash http://emots.yetihehe.com/1/rotfl.gif


Military-grade encrypted is the best part!!! Faketoshi has forgotten that encryption does not protect against replacement http://emots.yetihehe.com/2/gafa.gif

https://satoshinrh.com/my-reveal-part-2/

Although i didn't read everything in that article but one thing that cut my attention is the subscribe and contact button at the top right side :o   i mean here is Satoshi publishing a reveal about himself after 10 years of hiding and all he could think of is including a subscribe button, whatever for?
At least we can see the real satoshi identity and were he came from, Mr James Bilal Khalid Caan aka Satoshi Nakamoto welcome back from hiding ;D

Anyone noticed he signed Nakarmoto  :o instead of Nakamoto :-\

I hope so.so i will not see tons of  "who is satoshi nakamoto" topics anymore.its really annoying.there are many topics like that but people still opening new topics.

It sounds stupid when creator of Bitcoin does not have any backup of bitcoin wallet. How do I believe that poor-quality explanations? Everything put into a laptop's HDD, that sounds not reasonable to believe Bitcoin creator did it, very carelessly, and sounds like a crypto newbie, very amateur.
I guess next time when Faketoshi tell us more story, it might be, after lose all of my bitcoin due to HDD replacement, I created Litecoin. :)

Same thing I've noticed. A subscribe button for what??

I didn't read everything because it was too long, though I appreciate the effort for making those long post. But same with others, I don't believe it either. Since lately, a lot of people are claiming they're Satoshi it's becoming less interesting and making it hard to believe. No matter what proof others would give, there's still a lot of doubts and holes with their statements.

If this would be a real Satoshi then I would believe that this subscribe button is there because of the marketing company he hired to help him reveal himself "he is better with code then with words" and they are there to help. Every marketing company is gathering data, especially emails and this is what they are doing.

But this is all bullshit and of course subscribe button is there to collect your emails to make spam heaven from your mailbox and sell them later on.

This cannot be  the real Satoshi, this person claiming to be the real Satoshi is probably  just a programmer who just wanted to relieve some stress on him/her so decided to come up with this site to generate traffic. The traffic was evident as most of us had the error message 'DNS not accessible " as many crypto enthusiasts were following up on the first day of the series.

I was just reading the story of how this s called Satoshi claim to have lost the hard drive containing his entire bitcoin holdings and i can say that without a doubt it's a very laughable apology. If you rent the laptop for repairs and it cam back containing a new hard drive, wouldn't he have gone to the repair store and even make an effort about locating it. This guy is definitely doing this for all the attention.

Bitcoin creator is rather group of people then just one person.



Satoshi nakamoto its Not for sure!! 

Will that new Satoshi saga ever end.Probably not
Every some time we will have yet another Satoshi
It is very easy to prove who is real Satoshi
He has access to his wallet so it is enough to send some some small tnx from one of Satoshi wallet
By my personal opinion real Satoshi will remain anonymous until the end of time

I am not even sure what the content is and i am not going to check these random Satoshi claims, do these sites have a ton of advertisement., there is no point in going after these click baits, there is no Satoshi unless someone can sign a message from the genesis block and if someone is able to do that you could follow what they are telling, if not you might be compromising your security if you are going to some random sites with some claim and if the creators have malicious intent they can collect many information from your visit, so be careful with these click baits.

The most shocking part for me is when he loses his wallet.dat
a quote from the article

Of course, they will replace it with a new HDD because you never instruct them not to replace the HDD, now one thing that baffles me is why did he not request the old  HDD to be sent, there are new software now that can retrace those files, now the laptop company knows that they have billion dollars worth of Bitcoin in one of their customer's hard drive, that are in their position, in case they still did not destroy those harddrives.

Someone Here knows for sure who is Bitcoin owner and creator
Its just Hidden from others

What these people succeeded in is marketing. We are all reading their articles, discussing the texts, increasing the view count on the website of a company nobody ever heard of before. And since these people have their blockchain project, it's not just the views for them, it is the popularity of the products. I read some of it, and I think it's a nice writing peace, but it's fictional (although based on some preliminary research the author did). IMO Satoshi would never be so talkative in the first place. With friends in personal messages? Maybe. With strangers in public online space? I don't think so. Just take a look at real Satoshi's posts on bitcointalk. This person writes a lot, but not in this poetic way the revealer is talking. Real Satoshi is very focused on technical issues, improvements, risks and other things like that. Doesn't strike me as a long chit-chat kind of person.

This was the site that everyone was talking about.
I can confirm that he is not the real Satoshi since he can't open his BTT account if he won't signed a message to his own wallet.
Whatever is the case they were telling it won't matter, as long the real Satoshi did the impossible, so that people will be going to believe that it was really him.

I think this is another attention seeker trying to be relevant and draw attention, why going to all this trouble to narrate some boring story when all he needs to do is signed message from his btc wallet, if you can not do that then what is the point, anyone can fabricate some story of been satoshi but not everyone can sign message from satoshi btc wallet. Another faketoshi in my opinion.

That bit is confusing to me too... Whenever you normally encrypt stuff (if you know what you're doing) the encryption should be done using public and private keys of their own or at least a really strong password, but they should be encrypted inside a ZIP file or even a defacto .dat file so they're easier to recover if the drive fails (I haven't needed to recover stuff from that this way but most places backup that way so I'd guess it makes it easier to reverse)...


If I were satoshi, I'd either: use them all from the start; say "I'm dumping each block reward every year"; or not touch those coins and instead have a stash of 1000 coins later on since I want to stay anonymous... No one said he didn't stop minning (and if he did then he might have got some from hal or elsewhere to one of his other addresses).

Looks like he want to become famous, getting high traffic to his website and others. I agree that his strory is good, and i like it as shit novel and really i enjoy it. It just story right, no confident proof that he is real satoshi.

Let's talk as developer side, when you create a programs and your programs is new innovation in the world, what do you do before you publish it to the world? In this case he already knew that precious thing is wallet.dat

Calculating word based on Chaldean or other methods not a real proof, especially the witness is dead

Another day, another fake. They are all fakes until proven otherwise, have you not learned that yet?

And that url was brought here about two days ago or so with variants of the same thing, another faketoshi appears with outrageous claims but no proof, oh and there is an ICO token at the end of this one...

"Real" Satoshi made real Bitcoin, doesn't need no tokens...

There can be many reasons why the real Satoshi Nakamoto is not revealing his identity. The most possible reason is that he is probably dead, and is no one else is capable of moving those 980K coins. I have heard about the deaths of many people involved in cryptocurrency and the news of their coins becoming unretrievable after their death, so may not be surprised if this is the case. A few examples are the deaths of Gerald Cotten and Alex Bogdan Semenciuc.

Another reason is that he is probably afraid of the feds coming after him, as Bitcoin is widely used in some of the dark markets (even now it is more popular than other payment options such as Zcash and Monero in the dark markets). Actually, this was one of the excuses given by Craig S Wright for not giving proof about him being Satoshi.

To be honest, I don't know. We only know that the person uses the name of Satoshi Nakamoto, and he claims he owns huge bitcoin amount. But as usual, we need a prove so he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto. But I don't think the real Satoshi Nakamoto will reveal his identity to the public because the risk is not worth depends on his life. I am sure that when he revealed himself, many institutions will chase him, especially government institutions, because they have a lot of question that needs to be answered by him.

He didn't provide any proof of himself being Satoshi. Every discrepancy (i.e. date of birth) or his link to bitcoin he tries to explain with numerology. It's a joke.

Why he appeared at this time.  It is impossible to be true.If that were true, he would not hide his identity from the beginning

I doubt it....

He claims to be satoshi on a website that looks like a trash can, the real satoshi will open his identity on this forum if he wants, but he won't do it.

The only way people here will believe that real Satoshi comes back is if he’s Account in here(Bitcointalk.org)will go active and post the confirmation ,but until that happen everyone  claiming to be Satoshi will be a joke and no one will believe that.
That’s what I’m trying to say here.he can just easily open his account here in which had been hold by Theymos so from that things will clear.but I doubt he is willing to do that because he had Ben hiding or keeping silent for a long time and all of a sudden will claim his titles?no not going to happen

It's a big no for me, for one he has a ready-made and weak alibi why he cannot access the wallet with almost one million Bitcoin on it, imagine an amateur like a blunder, not taking out the hard drive when sending to the laptop company to repair and replace damaged part and not creating a copy for that wallet.dat.
It could be another bait for a coming new coin the company that backing him is going to create, just like Craig Wright has done.

Still, CW is the biggest real Faketoshi and did most noise about it.

I would ask everybody to stop calling him Craig S Wright which means Craig Satoshi Wright if somebody isn't aware of it.
The main goal of this scammer is to prove beyond any doubt with all these faked proofs, so we shouldn't make it easier for him and already call him Satoshi in every sentence.
I am convinced  CW (Faketoshi) marketing team coined this phrase for a purpose and as we see it works.

Stop calling him CSW or start to call him Faketoshi or just CW to not help him further. 

I think that this is no coincidence that we see all these new Satoshis popping up every week. I assume this is very good after the drama with CW because the importance of the true identity of Satoshi Nakomoto and impact on Bitcoin is smaller with every new revelation.

I will not say that the real identity of Satoshi Nakamoto doesn't matter and it would be great to finally know who he really is/was and to give him a Nobel price in the future but for sure every new Faketoshi matters less, which will finally stop the madness, when this headlines will be no more such a lucrative click bites making so much noise.

Real Satoshi is Block chain 
So its fintech  You Don't need to be Genius to know that Fintech is Behind cryptocurrency

I don't think we should pay too much time to investigate who is real Satoshi Nakamoto. Inteads, I think what we should care about is how many satoshis we have in our bitcoin wallets. By now, what people talked about is bitcoin, how many bitcoin do you own, but things will change considerably and unimaginably just next few months or next two years, when bitcoin might take off to the Moon, and set up its new all time high, that in my expectation, will be much higher than its current ATH about $20000.
Then, people will change their question from "How many bitcoin do you own?" to "How many satoshis do you own?"

Honestly the real Satoshi is a real smart guy and these guys don't even come close, all I see are opportunists trying to ride on his name for personal gain and not to the benefit of the cryptoworld as it would have been.

Is this going to be another ghost chase because this now makes things more complicated AFAIK.

I had to read the long text he wrote on his website, until my eyes are aching from reading and rereading to understand what his purpose was to tell every story he told, I must confess that he should be some short story fairytale writer

It does not make much sense what he told, it is not possible that he made the hard disk error, the mistake of giving up the project he created and that was in the beginning. he is lying


truth

I don't really  understand why people are so interested in knowing the identity of Satoshi. If Satoshi wanted everybody in the crypto space to know his identity like we would have known that on the day the whitepaper was released.  All those claiming to be satoshi are just people who are just interested in gaining some attention in the crypto ecosystem. They are all fake...  The crypto space do not need this kinda claims...

Seriously though, I met the real real Satoshi at the pub yesterday. You must believe me because I said so.
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Nice one bro really or your joking hahaha. Can you share a picture of real satoshi if met him, because if I met him in a person the real bitcoin creator for sure I'll take selfie with him as proof and to show to the people I am lucky one because i met the real satoshi.






People want to know the identity of the the real nakamoto satoshi is curiousity and they want yo,who is the brillant mind create very useful digital money.

The writing style and presentation style in what that guy wrote are very different from what we saw from Bitcoin whitepaper and Satoshi's posts in forum years ago. From that difference, I do believe he is not a real Satoshi because one techsavvy is hardly to change their writing style as well as coding style.

Furthermore, what that guy blamed on losing bitcoin due to hardware replacement sounds very clumpsy, that I don't believe too.

Lol  ;D This cracked me up.

This new guy claiming Satoshi seems more convincing than Craig S Wright though. At least he tried to speak in a challenging way, with the attitude that might even makes people to end up believing him.

The problem is, with all these Satoshi Nakamoto springing up everyday, when the real Satoshi finally decides to show himself, nobody might believe him. That's if he hasn't been ignored already.

Finally great news from Kleimans case!!!

CW has to pay 50% of all mined BTC back to Kleimans family and additionally 50% of the intellectual property.

Of course, CW (Faketoshi) has now the right to not accept and go further with court cases but the first one is already lost and the judge calls CW a simple lier.

This is so good to see such outcome but from another side, when I start thinking about it, then I start to worry because the amounts of BTC are overwhelming and we can not forget that Kleimans family would have to pay 40% in taxes from the received amount, which can be the reason for BTC price dump if they will have to sell Bitcoins to pay the taxes.

What do you think about this? Is this another threat? Or CW doesn't have this BTC in the first place and there is no Tulip fund which releases this coins 21 January 2020?

Is curiosity really the only reason that you can point out?
Agencies want to get to him if they haven't already.
The media want to be the first to get him because it means money and popularity for them.
Thieves and all other scum want to know who he is for obvious reasons
The IRS would like to get to know him better too :D

Don't agree with you at all this is a very tail and not a right story. Nothing adds up and to be honest his timings also flawed.

As I said I think is all made for the purpose to spread more news about new FakeSatoshi to make them irrelevant. Just look at how people start to react to this newses.

When the first one popped up this was very big news around the world, second and now third CW too but with each new one this starts to be just fun and no keeps attention to this anymore.

I am sure that is the main reason for this to make every new FakeSatoshi not important anymore.

A lot of people now is taking the throne as Satoshi but none of them could give a legit proof without those fabricated stories they've gathered somewhere. If one of them could actually make a signed message and send it to @theymos then the story will just end automatically without these fraudster proving something that isn't reliable.

Just think about it brother.
If you are satoshi would you really tell it to the world?
You will become a target, there is no doubt about that. That could be the main reason why he is in hiding.
Another will be if you have a family, there will be no peace in your house for media will sure be there 24/7.
You will have to swallow all the verbal abuse and social abuses that will take place.

Lastly the funds, are you even sure you will have a part of it or will the government starts taking it.
If not, I am sure there will be a panic in the market and you will sell it for a dust after the commotion.

So why tell, just sell an amount where you could live peacefully  and mix it then say goodbye again.
Finally, for me everyone who will claim it is a fraud. They are just some insane dude who needs attention.

Who ever controls Money the FIAT Currency will Control the Bitcoin price too.


To push Up btc price u need usdt. 
There is Thether whales, who is the owner of thether company?  Not a Satoshi....



The real Satoshi is Federal reserve IMF and Fintech.
When you people realise that?


Or you decide to play dumb.. For Long time?

After a;; the noise made by Craig Wright, we still have someone coming up with some bogus claim or talks of being Satoshi. The only sure proof of being Satoshi is to move the Satoshi bitcoin. This guy is more or less trying to draw some attention to himself, same way CW did and (and maybe launcha coin down the road)

Sorry to say but because of comments like this one I want to close this thread. I wanted a discussion on some level and at the start, we managed to have one for a short time.

I would let it open for a couple of days but if there will be even more of such nonsense posts I would have to close the thread to not serve as a mega thread for spammers.

I thought that identity of Satoshi Nakamoto is a really important topic to discuss but forgot about trolls and fudders so next time I will open self-moderated thread if I would ever need to discuss these matter again.

I hope there is still a chance for quality discussion in this thread.

Latest news about the Kleiman's case and the court judgment that CW has to return 50% of all mined coins and intellectual property from creating Bitcoin toKleimans family members.

This is so good to see such outcome but from another side when I start thinking about it then I start to worry because the amounts of BTC are overwhelming and we can not forget that Kleimans family would have  to pay 40% in taxes from the received amount which can be the reason for price dump if they will have to sell BTC to pay the tax.

Is this another threat? Or CW doesn't have this BTC in the first place and there is no Tulip fund which releases this coins 21 January 2020? I want to ask you about your thoughts about this?

Do you really believe that fool is saying the truth, if all that has been found about him is lie, then why do you think has such btc as he claimed, Craig might have maybe few bitcoin because he is broke and because bitcoin is costly now o accumulate much, and the bsv is still few, so all he is trying to do is to pump bsv to a value as high as he can go so that he can become that rich man he has always desired through crook.

For the fact that Craig is a public figure does not mean that he is reach. I have some friends, that when they speak I public for you, and you hear them even brag about their wealth, the president may even want to send for them, but all has been lie to create hype to achieve that which he wants to achieve or desire to achieve through bsv.

Because this guy is not stupid in the end.

Of course, I don't believe that he is Satoshi or that he is the BTC creator but I can understand why is he lying (or telling the truth) about these BTC addresses and Tulip fund.
I just tend to believe is his way to protect himself from the worst outcome possible which is a lost cause.

To be honest I still don't understand exactly how this Tulip Fund operates, whois the beneficient and if this is real?
It would be great if somebody can explain it to me. I think is the most important thing to understand the Kleiman's case. I have read a lot of articles and even scripts from court hearings and there is not explained what I am asking above. Where this Tulip fund is actually registered? Whois guarding it now? Is this even possible to check?
For me that are the questions, we need to answer to be able to understand this case better.

The court ruled out that CW has to give 50% of all BTC to Kleiman's relevants, so there has to be some proves that they were indeed involved in mining together.
If they are really in a fund or already sold on exchanges nobody knows but this is obvious that CW lost a lot of money on hash wars but not only.
He keeps struggling financially all the time and all his companies are registered only for the purpose of tax scams. I see such a picture when I look at his business story.

As always by CW there are more questions than answers.

Craig Wright is a habitual liar and fraudster. He probably doesn't have anywhere near that amount of bitcoins if many at all and his claims of having them or at the very least so many were just to try bolster his obviously fraudulent claim of being Satoshi, because it's widely assumed he holds them. If he did have as many as he claims and from such an early time period he could have easily proven such and also that he was satoshi or at the very least a very early adopter by singing a message from some of the addresses he owns. He admitted he can't do that and came up with some bullshit excuse about this trust to try weasel out of proving it. So, sorry to say but the Kleiman's are probably entitled to 50% of nothing and even if he does hold substantial holdings he isn't ever going to hand them over and will come out with whatever BS to prevent that, but my guess is he just doesn't have them in the first place (or anywhere near as many as he claims) and the Kleiman's only went after him because of the lies he told about having them or being satoshi.

I think the only way we can be sure is to wait until 21 January 2020 when the funds should be released from the Tulip Fund and then keep close attention to related BTC addresses if there will be any funds moved. There is no way for CW to keep so much BTC untouched in his financial situation.

Of course, I don't believe in any of CW statements but if we pretend this is true with the Tulip Fund then he is still deeply in shit because of the latest court ruling and all taxes he would be owning after the BTC sale. If true then this will make his fortune significantly smaller, first 50% to Kleimans family and then almost the same for the taxes. Of course, there are still Australian authorities which are only waiting for the incoming money and other private people and companies CW scammed during the years.

The biggest nonsense CW keeps repeating is that he doesn't need any money but all he is doing so far is only for the money.

Same here! I doubt it. :)