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For me only a fool will buy this coin at this ridiculous valuation until price discovery is reached. I just do not understand why people feel they can just print money out of thin air. This I too can also do all I need is to convince so people to buy int this and give me their money

The key is to realise is that people, and only people create monetary value. This has always been the case and Bitcoin has demonstrated it clearly because it is without the usual trappings of government.  Bitcoin Enhanced is explicit about this.

https://medium.com/datadriveninvestor/bitcoin-and-tether-the-great-teachers-6ddfedc484e9

Bitcoin Enhanced tokens offer the opportunity for people to participate in a hedge-fund like asset without the fees of a hedge fund structure.  The simulated strategy keeps the tokens outside the systemic risks of the fiat system.  In this XBE and CBE tokens are built like Bitcoin.  We believe in Satoshi's vision of finance outside the risks of fiat.  They represent a new asset class called Self-Managed Investments (SMI's):

https://medium.com/datadriveninvestor/why-invest-in-a-self-managed-investment-smi-d7edcaf98c6c

Ask yourself what gives the following value:

Bitcoin
Monero
Litecoin
Dogecoin
US dollar
Euro?

In each case it is people.  If people are responsible for the $30 trillion of world currency what else might they be able to do?

So the minimum to purchase is worth for a XBE token, isnt? and why that CBE token have value more than currently btc price? I've seen a token that have price more than btc before and they fall after the funding completed, it's always.

Sukoyomi,

Thank you for your questions.  There is no minimum purchase for either XBE or CBE tokens.  Both have 8 decimal places so even very small purchases are possible.
The XBE token is for people who want to take the same journey as Bitcoin and grow the tokens’ value up to the Target Price.  The first 40,000 are being sold at 99% discount, the second 40,000 at 98% discount to the Target Price and so on.  There are still some tokens available at the 99% discount.

The reason why the Target Price is greater than Bitcoin is because of the successful forecasts the Phi Algorithm has made over the last 18 months of when Bitcoin prices are likely to fall.  Bitcoin Enhanced is essentially a digital long/short Bitcoin strategy.  It is this track record of successful forecasts that provides the premium over Bitcoin, and the rationale for buying the tokens. 

CBE tokens are never discounted.  We only sell at the Target Price.

More on the forecasts can be found here:  https://bitcoinenhanced.io/algorithm

If you are thinking of buying make sure you understand the risks:  https://bitcoinenhanced.io/regulatory

This is the time when bitcoin is going down. Our markets are heavily influenced by manipulative organizations. Bitcoin dominance has plummeted since the last few days, at which point the market is going down.
But after this correction, we will see the next bull run run quite long until 2020.

Thanks Rose.  you could be right.  What is interesting from the Bitcoin Enhanced perspective is that after the current forecast of a Bitcoin price fall we don't at present have any more in the system.  That may support your view that BTC prices are soon to rise.

Another competitor of BTC this kind of announcement always make the people laugh when there is no use case and no adoption while on other hand BTC is in very strong position and leading the whole market. It is enough to see it is being created on Waves platform.

So, the WP is just a onepager with links to external resources for potential investors to go compile their own research?
Awesome.
I love it when a company is so sure of its product, that all they have to do is just say "buy" and every Tom, Dick, and Harry opens their purses wide.
Wow, you guys really do know the industry inside out  8)

Yes of course. Everyone must make their own decision.  As you say we can provide information and an awareness of the risks and benefits of the investments.  Each person's individual circumstances differ.  Especially for a project like Bitcoin Enhanced, where users create the value of the tokens, and maintain the peg to the Target Price, each person needs to feel empowered and that means having the facts.  It does not work any other way.

I just think anything trying to say its a "better" BTC is overextending itself
i mean, you couldn't even build your own chain, these are fucking waves tokens lol

disgraceful to compare yourself to Mother BTC, even say your "better", wheres YOUR 100k+ lines of code,hmmm? 10+years of peer review and evolution BTC has
waves could get shut down tomorrow and your shittokens would be RIP

Friend,  I am not sure you have read what Bitcoin Enhanced is actually about.  If there is any "better" than Bitcoin it is better returns by being able to forecast when BTC prices are likely to fall.  Over the last 20 months our Phi algorithm has done just that which is why the Target Price of Bitcoin Enhanced is 128% above that of BTC.

In terms of respect for BTC it is all here.  BTC has shown that people can create monetary value.  Bitcoin Enhanced tokens emulate BTC's example so that like BTC the value of the tokens can remain independent of the fiat system.

In other words BTC is our inspiration.  Satoshi wrote his paper in the aftermath of the 2008 Financial Crisis which had shown just how fragile the fiat system is.  BTC has shown there can be monetary value outside of the framework of governments and central banks.  Bitcoin Enhanced is taking the vision of a more robust financial system and people-generated value the next step by providing hedge-fund like returns that still are as independent of the fiat system as BTC.  Like you we respect and love BTC and what it stands for!

Even if we read what your project is all about, and you have so many advantages, can you explain why there is no trading activity in waves dex? -

https://i.ibb.co/BjSvc8H/Screen-Shot-2019-10-19-at-2-23-03-PM.png


Waves assets are known to die fast. I don't think they will ever achieve success in waves platform.

Indeed that's the fact Waves DEX failed to established people's trust on the assets mostly this is being created for pump and dump. This ecosystem is not a sign of trust like other platforms are showing much better performance but when someone come with the claim with a better version of BTC than it is big sign of scam.

Friend, 

Yes, I can explain why trading is low.  First, we only trade the USD pair.  So XBE / USD and CBE / USD.

Second, Bitcoin Enhanced is a new asset class called Self Managed Investments (SMIs).  Like start-up companies that Venture Capitalists invest in they by their design have low initial liquidity.  The VC model is very successful, in fact, one of the most successful asset classes over the last 20 years which shows that low initial liquidity is not a show-stopper to eventual gains.  You may like to read more about SMIs here:  https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-10-15/managing-greatest-risk-all-what-portfolio-managers-can-learn-venture-capitalists

In terms of the Waves platform, the system is robust and we have never had any issues with it.  Indeed, the DEX is essential for investors wanting to secure their assets from hacks that are so common on non-decentralised exchanges.

I still suggest you read what we are all about and how Bitcoin Enhanced can help diversify a portfolio away from the greatest risk of all.

It seems that my impression on this project was right. After the last post that I had on this project, only few people posted afterwards and that includes the dev. I don't know if the fate of this project will change once the Waves DEX becomes the Waves Exchange. Will there be traders that will notice this asset by that time of migration? Or still the same dull environment?

I guess time will tell.  One key thing to remember is that the project simply provides the opportunity.  The forecasts have proven they can add value to believers in Bitcoin by using some of Bitcoin's downside volatility.  It is up to people to decide if this is the kind of investment they want. 

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In what exchange are you having this price or it is your own internal exchange? Do you have the link where we can see its trading activity?

https://i.ibb.co/HV6JnVW/Screen-Shot-2020-01-21-at-11-26-50-PM.png

I am seeing XBE token in waves.exchange but no trading activity?

Tippytoes,

Hi.  Yes, we still have low liquidity for the XBE tokens which is why you don't see many trades on the exchange for the XBE/USD pair.  This is to be expected at this stage of the project.  A venture capitalist investing in a start-up company, put money into an initially illiquid asset. The same is true of Bitcoin Enhanced, which is an example of a Self Managed Investment (SMI).  Like the early days of Bitcoin people create the value in the tokens and it takes time for the liquidity to grow. 

In effect the token holders are creating their own asset.  The ideal strategy would be to put $10 into Bitcoin Enhanced and tell two friends.  In that way liquidity would soon grow as long as the algorithm continues to provide better returns than Bitcoin.  We have not yet cracked how to communicate with people that Bitcoin Enhanced is the way they can help secure their futures by BUILDING their own asset that has no links to the fiat system.  Please let me know if you have any ideas.  Branton.