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Many people do not understand offer and demand, how it really works.
If all bounty hunters would like to sell all their tokens (2% of total supply) it is a huge selling pressure. If there are not enough buyers, price is going down until encounters buy orders. And as you can guess, noone wants to buy ICO coins just after the ICO sale because those who wanted buy, they already bought. :)
Your point of view?  8)

Especially happen dump on the coin because the team lists coin not on the top exchange because hype coins occur on exchanges that have big names or large volumes,demand in the market depends on the strategy or plan of the project developer if the platform has good features in the future certainly demand in the market will go up.on the contrary if the team is not able to give a lot of big news,of course demand for coins will be quiet in the market and every day continues to decline.do you understand that 2% of the total troops will not be able to drop the price of coins in the market

I think you under estimate investors here. I mean they know everything about bounty hunters selling right after the coins is listed on an exchange. Others bought when dumping are done and then hold. But the problem with that strategy is that we are in the bear market and people are not that stupid. And for those who bought prior, I'm sure they will also join the dumping spree here because they wanted to get their profit so that they can reshuffle their funds around, no holding for now in altcoin market.

You got it correct and those who are going to buy are those who investors who only bought new coins that just got in the market, they want to see if the token has a good potential in the market, and those who already bought the coin could buy more, you cannot expect new coins that just hit the market will have demands they must show potential in the market first.

A lot of projects are now taking some measures to avoid dump, which I believe will change the orientation of investors towards projects in the crypto space.

A lot of them try to now withhold the rewards of bounty hunters and get them paid after a month or two and sometimes more, in order to give the assurance to investors that they are protested and that there will not be unnecessary dump.

Well, this has helped some projects, most especially those with genuine products, however those without good plans and with no useful products, are still being dumped without the involvement if bounty hunters.

It is crucial that every project should be listed on the exchange which has a large volume. So that investors will see that this is a quality project because it is able to enter in a large exchange. We also can't blame bounty hunters or early investors because of the price of the coin that has dumped.

Bounty hunters get coins for their sales and earn money and are the same as investors. The team and developers work well for the benefit of the investors to buy. So the request and reception are also very large.

You must mean supply and demand.


It's true but if the coins survives first dump the price sometimes goes up. Many people made money by buying into bounty hunter dumps because they were so into getting some money for their work that they ignored what the coin was about and that it could really be valuable and have a big community.

Unless all of the coins are sold out on the ICO, the buyers would likely to be the coin makers on the exchange it was registered. This is a strategy . that most of the shit altcoins out there. I remembered one time when most of the bounty hunters sell the coins they've got but still the price did not fall, that was a good coin and the devs are such experts in the field, until now the coin has value and still continues to improve.

lol, that's not true buddy. that's a huge fallacy. If only a coin has value, then people will buy buddy. If what you're saying is true then exchanges wouldn't be of any importance because trading will be useless then, but that isn't the case. The case is that project developers are supposed to create value for their projects to attract more investors even after ICO/IEO or whatever.

In my very opinion, I do not understand why bounty hunters are always taken for granted and considered as some poor folks somewhere. Why would a bounty hunter with so much trust in a project dump right after listing and how would bounty hunters holding less than 5% of total allocation of a project budget cause dump. Hunters are not cheap to be treated anyhow whenever there is a dump, both hunters, team and investors need money.

Exactly, the thing is, bounty hunters are only the once selling during the first launch in the exchange because investors are still waiting for the effect of the dump, this is for most cases because most of the projects are listed in a smaller exchange where a bounty dump is heavily felt.

However, if the coin is listed in big exchange, there's nothing to worry as it would not affect the price big time.
Lots of smart investors are waiting for the price to dump so they will all put an order and that will result to price not getting dump, once its in big exchange, that would explain the project has a good potential and with great liquidity, there's not significant dump that will happen.

We need to increase the number of good exchange to solve the liquidity problem so the bounty hunter can dump their reward.
1 or 2% of the total supply even if they dump altogether should not affect a good project.

When the coins come from good projects with potential MVP, we shouldn't worry if the prices go down sometimes. Even if the bounty hunters dump the prices, it mustn't last forever and will have a chance to increase.


Of course, they must be attracted to the lower prices. Many people just wait for dumps to buy IEO or ICO coins nowadays. So, they put aside money for that moment, not buy in IEO or ICO phase.

It depends on demand of the token itself, and not every project is out of demand after the token sale. For example, a project that holding an IEO and has been sold out, after it's listed on exchange of course the demand will be high. And you also need to know, not every single of bounty participants are planning to sell their token directly on exchange, some of them also willing to hold and make them as an asset.

maybe i should quate if that situation will be happening when there was no a lot of buy orders and that means a big spread between the sell and buy orders. That's why putting a small hardcap to give a lot of room to grow for coin is a must. The developer must not be greedy to grab a lot of money as much as they can if they can't even attract a lot of next buyers.
My point was in the developer team and at least this team can create a buy back program to prevent the dump that will be affecting the price of token but the dev is so greedy and that's the main reason.

Yes, your opinion has a certain meaning. If a new token first appears on the exchange, it is possible that at first it drops in price due to the fact that by this time consumer demand is mostly satisfied. Moreover, those who wanted to buy these tokens received them at big discounts. In addition, it should be borne in mind that a certain part of early investors bought tokens with these significant discounts just for the sake of a quick sale at the ICO price, and therefore the dumping of tokens is inevitable. Therefore, do not blame all the blame for the token drop during this period on bounty hunters.

Yeah it's true they do cause pressure in the exchange .that is why projects now a days release the bounties after the project has been listed in the exchange and in parts distributing it over several months

I agree with you, its quite difficult to see anyone willing to wait too long for the project development to unfold and the value of the tokens increase. Every investor is in it for the money and are calculative as to how they can benefit maximally. The dump of the tokens after the listing is caused by virtually every holder irrespective of their description. Projects whose value are doing well in the market would barely release bounty tokens, most would release in batches and bounty hunters may have to wait for several months to get all their tokens. I understand that this strategy is also to reduce the dumping of the tokens.

This doesn't explain dumps caused by anyone. However it would be extremely hard to find an ico where all bounty members would dump the coin at the same time some investors also can work at bounty hunters and has a better thinking about the ico

That's why most of the Project release their bounty payment after 2-3 months because they feared this kind of scenario where the coins they are offering is dump at an alarming rate.

scenes like this are normal in this industry only who knows to ride the wave will survive because the dumping of the bounty participants are unstoppable lets say there will be 100% of participants who holds the coins only 10% will hold it for long the other as soon as it hit the market they will sell it even the price is not good they will not care at all.

This can be controlled if the team will find a way to minimize the dump, the best strategy to minimize the dump is not to release the entire bounty at ounce. Of course, once the bounty hunters already have their reward, they would not mind of the current price or of the possible effect in the market if they will dump, they just want to cash out and enjoy their earning even if it's lower than what they are expecting.

The bounty hunters will understand if the team will decide to divide the distribution into stages, at least they will received even in a staggered basis.

My point of view is that any coin that has bounty is automatically a shitcoin, because if it was anything serious, it would have attracted millions in investments and the devs would be able to hire a proper marketing team. Instead they rely on cheap work that they hire for nearly free - a red flag for any company. Of course having proper marketing doesn't necessarily mean that a coin is not a shitcoin either, but it would at least survive longer.

So, with or without bounty hunters dumping their rewards, ico investors are still going to lose money in the long run.

Those are just bad projects, good projects will never let prices collapse quickly

This is one of the reason why we are seeing most of the eth tokens now that are almost worthless in value.
Back in 2017, I am actively participating in bounty campaign, was able to sell some of my reward and also keep some thinking it will grow and rise more in the future. In 2018, the struggle begins but I still don't sell and I notice that slowly the value is dropping but since I don't panic I never mind it.

I realize that when the market is bad, meaning more sell orders than buy orders, it's a bad time for a project that will dump even if a small percentage because those times, people aren't interested to buy, they will play safe with coins with high liquidity.

Have you considered it from the angle of early investors dumping their tokens especially those investoes that bought during the pre-sale stage with bonuses of 10-30% off. The hunters allocations aren't that huge and hardly before you see a project distribute bounty tokens immediately after crowdfunding of a project is over.

Here's a proposal which might work to prevent dumping as understandable if there aren't enough buying support, hunters selling their tokens will surely bring down the price value of a coin. The proposed strategy goes like this, distribution should be done in batches also there should be a break of 15-30 days between each distribution date. Some projects already using this technique are recording a successful. Irrespective of all these, a shitproject without any real value will still lose price value whether or not they get dump by hunters.

My point is that, there is a small portion that affects the dump price of  tokens, why? because bounty tokens were released right after few months of being listed in exchanges, so it does not mean that bounty hunters are the cause of the dump, hence, i agree its all about the offer and demand.

There's really going to be a huge selling pressure that's going to happen, even if it's only a small percentage, but there are investors and those early birds who expect dumps and they are the one that will likely buy the token, provided that the project is good enough.

Investors know that when a coin hit the market, it will be 20 to 50% lower because of early buyer who got a bonus or bounty hunters who want to sell their coin, they are the one most likely to buy the token.

Projects should cost bounty allocation in liquid tokens of Eth or Btc or Xrp or Eos and not their native tokens. If payment is made in other listed know tokens their native token price won't be dumped in the market after bounty payout. Also there should be high utility for every token as such hunters will like to hodl for a while.

THere are some project who always throw the blame to bounty hunters when it came to market price.
Those people are brainless, in every token percentage bounty budger is the smallest.
A very little percent of the whole pack. for me they must focus more on how they will handle the private and early investors.

think again. did they just buy the token and not use it? Well, if not, of course, because a project works not according to what they want. when a project develops for the better, or in accordance with the concept, then people who are interested in the concept will buy it again.

I think bounty hunter is quite influential in price because sales are done at the same time. however, if the project is made based on user needs, I think, the price will slowly go up again because many people want to use it. it's not just buying and selling, but how useful the project is for most people.

I disagree with your opinion, in my opinion the first is because of the greed of investors trying to dump tokens as low as possible and want to buy more as much as possible. But we are currently in a long bearish trend so that all investors do not want to take too much risk, the two projects or a good team will not let the price of tokens be dumped for a long time. They got a lot of money from the ICO why didn't they want to buy the price of the token which dropped 50%-80% from the ICO price even though the bounty hunter allocation was only 2%-3%. If they buy tokens at a price below 50% ICO price with a token allocation equal to 2% tokens it won't be their financial problem

Exactly! Bounty allocations nowadays are much lesser than before that its impact once dump will be almost negligible! My hint is that the teams are also dumping their tokens /coins on the market alongside with early investors and often bounty hunters are usually blamed for the sudden price crash. We must also remember that not all bounty hunters prefer to dump their tokens / coins right away especially if they believe on the merits of the project.

Have you ever tried to ask yourself why there are no adequate buy orders when a coin is listed?
This is what ought to have been addressed before launching a project and before listed its coin on exchange.
A project with no working project might suffer from such setback. Investors PR users may not have reasons to buy the coin, because it has no use.

Only projects with no real use case will face such failure on exchanges,if the project is good enough there will be demand for the coin or token on exchanges its been listed on,bounty hunters need to think twice before promoting any project and the only way is better research,stay away from projects with no real use case

I do not think that participants in the bounty companies are to blame for the drop in the price of tokens after the ICO. As noted above, on average, about 2% of tokens are allocated to a company's bounty, and if suddenly, and as often happens, there are few buyers, this most likely means that this token and its project are of no interest, and now you need to figure out why going on. Personally, I see a problem in the team itself, which launches the project and offers tokens. If the team is not interested in maintaining and developing the token itself, then we can safely say that its price will go down and it will not be interesting. And for that matter, and someone believes that the bounty participants are dropping the price of a token, then let them pay not in tokens, but for example in ETH.

Guess you're OK with people dumping their coins whenever they want?
Well, dumping won't be a big problem for developers who already have their funds in  established cryptocurrencies. I noticed that many project developers don't even care about dumping once they are funded successfully through ICO or other means.
Developers who solely rely on increase in their coins price for funding could easily run out of fund once the coins are dumped.

What's been allocated to bounties were very small in percentage when compared to the supply of the respective token. Another thing, even the participants weren't paid with the rewards once after the ICO sale or the promotion is over. This small percentage might make a small impact on the market value of the token. Dumps were mostly due to the improper development and funding to the project.

I think that participants in the bounty campaigns cannot influence the market. Early investors and overpriced buying bonuses have a much more negative impact.

I have same opinion. Private investors are buying with 50-100% high bonuses. Even they earn just few % by selling tokens after token listing, they earned.
While retail investors and bounty participants are loosing with every price dump. And other important factor is that most of recent bounty campaigns lock bounty tokens for few months. So how can they cause a dump then?  ;)

Dumping are not just done by bounty hunters but more so by token holders especially if they can already be gaining some profits or if they feel that the project is not really worth to hold on. Like what you said, 2% of the token supply can be a force but what about the other 98%...are they not the much bigger force? Good thing that right now there are now proven ways to counteract dumping...by releasing the tokens for bounty hunters weeks after the token can be found in many exchanges which can mean that bounty hunters are left with almost valueless tokens at their hands.

that is the reason why they sell because if the coins do not have enough buyers then they will suffer losses because there may be people who sell while they want to wait for another purchase
lucky if the bounty hunter can get a good project but if not then they will also be the losers when they decide to continue hodling
if you already know how all of this works then I suggest that you don't waste the opportunity while your coins have a good price
because you know very well that bounty hunter is a dumper so sell first before bounty hunter sells
that's my advice and opinion

I am sorry, I didn´t know how to say it in english, so I translated in by google. Google translator not always provide the best result  :D.

But if you mean a supply - number of coins in supply, then we do not understand each other.
I am talking about number of coins that are offered to buyers, and if there are a lot of coins to be sold and there are not enough buyers for all coins, then price is dumping.  8)

Many people blame bounty hunters as the perpetrators of the collapse of the price of a coin in the market, the 2% -5% allocation is not a big number to destroy the market, I see that there is a game behind developing a project. many early investors buy at a low price and sometimes sell it because the price in the market is more expensive and the developer doesn't buyback, besides that I have experience that "BOT" on an exchange will worsen the price of coins.

Why not consider private investors, how many% of total supply do they own? How many times are they discounted? Most projects are distributed to the last bounty hunters, so don't blame the bounty hunters.

This might be true but there are several counter measures to help keep price afloat.
The project team can either

• put aside some money to buy cheap coins from its bounty hunters to target dumpers
• distribution of tokens can be done in phases to protect investors
• they should also avoid distribution of coins to investors and bounty hunters at the same time

The bounty hunters put pressure on the exchange, creating a dump that makes the project lose value. However, I think that for some projects they did very well with the issue of the value of listing exchanges. Unable to criticize the bounty hunters, they worked professionally, took a lot of time and effort, they needed money for their lives.

Its not just the bounty hunters, they are even the last to dump because the team distributed the bounty tokens after 3 months or 3 months after the coin is listed to an exchange. Bear in mind that investors does get some 20-30% discounts as they are early investors of the project. This discounts alone are already profit to them when they dump the first day in the market. They can also buy back after 3 motnhs using the profit they got while the price dips to -80%.

I disagree with you. Early investors and those who bought with good bonuses can dump price in 2-3x, and bounty hunters can dump in 10-100x from sale price.

There are different situations, it happens that immediately after ICO the project is cheaper than it was during the sale and the bounty participants can sell tokens to ICO  participants who believe in the project, because the price is lower than ico. And when the price drops and nobody buys out anything, in most cases the project simply rolled up the Ico results, but in fact nothing was sold.

yes you're right, even without token bounty if there is no demand then the price will dump. so stop blaming bounty hunters for dump problems. what should be questioned is why after ico / ieo ends there are no more demand.

It should be known to all that bounty hunters are majorly concerned about cashing out from a successful bounty program. Investors could be willing to stay long and watch as the project unfolds, but bounty hunters are concerned about immediate gratification for the task done. The project should consider paying bounty hunters using btc or ethereum as against the tokens to avoid issues of dumping. This would also contribute to the reputation of the project.

Bounty hunters immediately run out of a project(sell)in order to cash out and see how much profit they can make for themselves, and you can't blame them since their contribution to the project was not through their cash, but their effort in advertising for the project.
But the bad side is that when a whole lot of them sell at any miserable price, it pulls down the price of the project and it's bad news for investors as they must have to be patient to see if the project recovers.

I do not see how ICO projects can pay hunters in btc, how then are they going to spread their coins all over the market, it would be a terrible idea if they did that.

Price reductions after the ICO are listed in the exchange. Indeed because of the great sales and demand just a little. But if you blame the bounty hunter, I think wrong. This is not the fault of bounty hunters, because they get the tokens after doing the job. So it is natural that many bounty hunters will sell coins.

I focus more on project development if the project has high quality. I think the coin price will be attracted by many buyers. So the price can go back up.

I always disagree with opinions pertaining to the fact that bounty hunters always cause dump. Why always bounty hunters, bounty hunters are not cheap to be treated as such but should be treated with respect. Mostly, less than 5% of a projects allocations are pulled into a bounty campaign and how can 5% out of 100% cause a dump over the remaining 95%? Bounty hunters dump, team dumps and investors also dump so why blame hunters alone.

The locking of bounty participants' reward became popular so that the devs can no longer worry about their dumping decision. I don't feel that the bounty hunters can really cause a big dump these days especially if the volume of that coin isn't too big.
How can they dump if there's even a small or no volume.

If the project have nothing tangible to offer e.g real use cases or working product atleast the 2% of max supply dumped off by bountyhunters can kill the value of the project in a very short period of time,its better to invest in good bounty projects and we still have holders that aren't dumpers just like myself

At some point you are correct because if the bounty allocation is quite large and all been distributed at once then it can cause dumping. I think the solution must be a vesting period where the tokens will be distributed in a portion every week or every month and so on.

Well, it's kinda true bounty sometimes cause huge price dump but only when the project is offering a huge amount of tokens as a bounty reward.
From what I notice about 70-80% of participate dump their token as soon as they receive the bounty rewards.

The price is dumping not because of bounty hunters, I mean not only, there are plenty of factors, the bear market is main,lack of liquidity of bad exchanges when listing

Agree, but I think not all bounty hunters will immediately sell tokens after listing on the market. Most bounty campaigns give tokens to bounty hunters after 30 days to 45 days after the sales period so when prices fall when first listing, actually why not from bounty hunters who dumping tokens can be due to other factors

I don't think that's the dump of the bounty hunters. If a project is really potential, when they pay the token to bounty, they don't have to worry about their dump.
because a potential project will have a great buying power and 1% - 2% will not be a problem.
Besides, it is the effort of those who have tried to market the project to get certain achievements, so why do you blame the bounty hunters?

I believe dump happens when buyers are lesser than sellers in the market. I believe we can not blame bounty hunters all the time for dumping because all bounty hunter does not sell instantly when listed. For price rise after listing project must have potential otherwise it will definitely fall even it is also true the projects launches on less popular exchanges are more likely to fail.

Yes that is true about demand and suply, how about the project owners having a buy back program that place them at an advantageous end of rebuying tokens, and either lock them for a period or burn them.
This acts brings about more invesors and helps to controll the market

I think the developer and the team will have a solution to prevent the dumps that will happen after their token listed on the exchanges. But if they don't have, then it is hard for them to keep the price is at a normal price because as you said, the price will going down deeper. I think that happens so far, and it's already happening with almost all tokens listed on the exchanges. If the project is a good project, then they will survive, and even they can pass the bad situations so the price can slowly to increase to the higher price.

If investors really trust and like the project then it is good for them to see the price dumping once listed.
They can get more of it at very low price. Don't under estimate bounty hunters as most of them know the market.
If the project are worth holding the coin becauses the team is good and the development is great then why they will sell?
Bounty participants never gets discount! they work for the token, and they have the smallest percentage among any groups.

Those buybacks that will lead to burning the coins will give interest to the investors as they've got some good positive outlook regarding to the project, if the team have a good plans and really care about how the project will turned into a success, dumped coins that being buyback would allow new investors to think about working with the team, supports might be acquire if trust will be build.

Everyone that does not understand the tokenomics of a project, is blaming hunters for a massive dumps during the first listing. Dumps are happening because of the lack of buy back process and too big bonuses for pre sale participants.

Obviously price reductions will occur and this is inevitable. Bounty hunters join the project in hopes of obtaining tokens. Once you get the token, it's normal to sell the coins. Many projects have been dumps, so this bounty hunter's mind wants to directly sell the coins before the coin price falls deeper.

However, each project certainly has its potential and has a team, developer. They have to work hard to improve the quality of their projects.

agree with this blaming bounty hunter is a classic reason and if the project wants to prevent this maybe the way that can be done is to improve their project and also possible if the bounty allocation is fairly large can impose a locking system with a long time (approx 3-6 month) and can also alternatively distribute batch systems (1-4 batches).

Many people blame the bounty hunter even though the bounty allocation is only 1% and divided among thousands of participants, I'm sure investors are the main factor that makes the price dumps, most ICOs provide bonuses so that investors immediately sell.

No matter what the op said, 2 percent of bounty hunters is still not enough to cause dumping because when you even gave that percentage out, it was not just saturated into one hand, it was given to many people and there is no way that all of them can all think of selling their coins at the same time, some that believes in the project would still want to give the project benefit of doubt by waiting a little bit longer to see if there would be pump.

The main dumping to me come from major investors and sometime developers themselves, there are developers that just want the project to die because they are scam, while the free toke given to these investors in the name of promo or reward is just too much and could cause a major dump for coins.

Sorry, but if there is no demand for the newly listed token and if its listed on some low-tier exchange with low volumes/liquidity, 2% of total supply is more than enough to tank the price. And that price can suffer for months because of it as bounty hunters are filling the sell order list and preventing the price to rise.

Bounty hunters have the right to sell their coins at any time, because they earned them honestly. If the project owners do not want to see a price dump, then let them pay the bounty hunters in Ethereum, which they received as an investment. And then there will be no problems with a price dump. How do you like this idea?

Or they understand the supply demand very well and knows that as soon as the token is listed on a market, there will be an increase of supply thus causing the price to drop. So in order not to face such loss or to maximize their profit, they try to dump their tokens as soon as possible. As the token starts to spread out among different people, they start buying it back at cheaper price with the hope of the price rising back to normal or higher than what they have bought it for.

This is not the first time we have seen such offers but the meaning of the paying in ETH is not going to solve this problem. Bounty hunters don't want to hold the token they earned through bounty campaign but they want to sell as soon as possible for quick cash which they don't deserve in my opinion. The dump doesn't happened from the things like weather or the emotional shape of the bounty hunter, there are strong arguments behind every dump by the bounty hunters. As a passive income, bounty earnings distributed as a gift but this gift is locked for months. After the unlock period, I can't blame the bounty hunters for these reasons. They also need to make money.

Well, a good project must have anticipated a price drop, either because an initial investor sold his assets after listing, or a bounty hunter who sold his rewards after distribution. The high interest in demand is largely determined by the quality of the project, so the buy and sell walls are balanced. Lately, when the market is saturated, prices are difficult to develop, bounty hunters and investors want to immediately release their tokens before prices are getting dumped, not because they don't understand supply and demand strategies, I think.

A very small demand is the problem and the sale of unconstrained coins is the cause of the problem. So far it happens that after getting free coins, many bounty hunters sell immediately coins. Maybe the coin price can be back up after getting a great request. But not many projects like that and more coins are experiencing failures.

I think we should be patient and not in a hurry to sell coins.

Bounty Hunters can decide when they want to sell their coin's. People have their own preiction and need. So, if they think it Will be better for them to sell their coins as soon as possible maybe they have their own reason. But, if they can be patient more, maybe they can get more income too.

Right. We cannot blame the bounty hunters for selling their token because they need to make money from the project, and that is the reason why the price of the token is getting dump too deep. It is a job of the developer and the team to prevent the drop of the price, and they will need to think to solve or prevent that.

If they are smart, they will make a way which will prevent the price from dropping, but I don't think that will make the bounty hunters happy to see that. The price after the ICO sale will be too higher, so that makes people doesn't want to buy the token, and maybe they want to buy the token at a low price. But maybe a low price can attract more buyer to buy the token if the project was good enough to compete with the other project so I think they can increase their price at the market.

But still, every time the token release at the market, the dump will happen, and I think that will be temporary because after that the token price will increase by slowly. But related to the current situation, I think the token will need more time to increase the rate.

Sometimes if the price is lower then the ICO price, those who have already bought might buy even more until the price is back to the ICO price, then they have massive stashed of coins as well.
Sometimes by then the project loses interest to some but if you hold you might come off with a profit. I prefer to wait for dor an ICO to end and hit the exchange before I buy-in.

It can be a good chance if there's really a good future ahead for their said project, when the market bounce again your investment will bring a huge favor and make decent profits, though it's really a hard to predict which project will bring potential benefits, ico's who's experiencing huge fall but have a good possibilities will be able to recover and make a good place for your money.

This actually depends on the token holder both the investor and the bounty hunter, because each holder has a different speculation in determining when the right time to throw or buy. but rest assured if this project is really real the price will not go down at the lowest price, given that the coin has the potential there will be more demand for the market and holders usually prefer to hold or wait until the price rises higher.

No team should ever blame bounty hunters for any price dump. It's the right of hunters to sell or hold their reward as it wasn't gotten free, because they expended their time and energy in working for the project. Alright, the team should switch gear by paying in a stable coin like some few projects do. If a project is really that good, no one will ever dump.

If the demand is very small, the decline is inevitable. Most bounty hunters are impatient and rushed to sell coins. Teams and developers are already working hard in conducting promotions to attract buyers ' attention. But still, many buyers are not interested.

Fraud that has happened that keeps investors down. Patience, the season of Altcoins may come back. And my advice for bounty hunters is not in a hurry to sell coins, hold your coins in a long time.

This year 2019 most bounty hunters sell their tokens after distribution listing on exchanges because they really know that the price of the token they will hold will go down because of the effects of the bear market. Those who hold this tokens will surely regret hodling them.

My point of view coincides with the point of view of OP. Many on this forum do not understand the market. They are trying to convince others that bounty hunters are not involved in a price dump. They just are bounty hunters themselves and do not want this guilt. But the truth is that the collapse in prices is exactly what bounty hunters and a little early investors do.
And not even 2% is enough, but, for example, 0.5% of the total issue.

This happens in most cases and I still do not understand why then investor buying ICO tokens when they see that they are constantly falling?

2% of total supply trading at the market is a very poor volume. It means the market is subject to easy manipulation by people who own the the larger share of the tokens. If people don't buy the tokens that means the project was never a successful one to start with

Yeah that right, 2% of total tokens hardly to manipulate the prices, but its not about bounty hunter's token. The most thing that make the price dump after listed in exchange is they haven't demand, the project so bad that can make people just ignore their token. Also spreading bad news about token during token distribution  have big impact regarding token's quality in investor's point of view.

Bounty hunters dump, investors also dump and team of the projects also dump but why single bounty hunters alone out. Many people still hold the thought that bounty hunters are dumpers but I'm still wondering why and how less than 5% of total funds allocation can cause dump to affect a project.

True, demands is the most important thing regarding the price of the coins.
If the demands of the coin is huge, then no matter how many hunters sell all of their reward,
the price will not falling to the most bottom in the market.

I will say hunters are not responsible for dump, the percentage allocated for bounty is very small compared to he total supply, dump could be channeled to the team for listing on exchanges without volume.

If my view is to maintain a dump team, you should be able to manage every coin issued, because each prize hunter only sells tokens sent once, after that investors will also see the percentage of new tokens, whether they have potential or not, because there are also many The provided token is not listed on a large exchange so the volume of the coin finger is weak at the end of the refund price

Its vice versa because sometimes if the project doesn't live up to expectations like having lots of investors then the 2% bounty allocation can drag down the token value a lot since the demand of the token is very low

A dump is a dump and not just because bounty participants sell their tokens.
if the project is great and have enough demand, the price will not go down huge as there will be buyers and will make the price better.
Though , price go down because it can't hndle the pressure being in the market.

All these issue of dumping after ICO started when these developers started asking for more than they need, it is not the bounty hunters that are crashing the price, how many projects are in the space now without any bounty campaign that are trading far less than the ICO price. Then project only ask for $5 million and this create demand on the market and drive the price up but when you have suck all the demand from the market the price will then start dumping immediately because there is no demand for the token

My opinion is not much different from yours, bounty campaigns nowadays have reward no more than 2% of the total supply.
So 2% should not causing the token price dump, it must be something else. And how come hunters sell their token if the distribution process takes so long.

I am much concerned and get worried the moment I hear dump caused by bounty participants whiles not bounty hunters alone causes dumping. These new project managers out of inexperience gives huge bonuses to early investors and upon listing, when these early investors start dumping, they start blaming bounty hunters for what they have not done. To me, investors dump and bounty hunters also dump so why blame one and leave the other.

Project itself is responsible for the dump. Dump is only because of early or private investors as they buy the town with nearly the half price of ICO or IEO.

Contrary to the popular belief of bounty hunters being responsible for the dump encountered upon an ICO listing on an exchange for most crypto token, i will like to point out the fact that most dumps we see for token are as a result of the huge bonus given to private sales investors durring the token private sales,  most project go as high as awarding bonus of up to 100% to private sales investors.  This huge amount of bonus is capable to dump the price of any token upon successful listing on an exchange.  To reduce the rate of dump in price project should reduce the amount of bonus they ghve out durring sales and not lay all blames on bounty hunters

but indeed that is what some investors worry about the amount for the bounty hunter which is quite large. I even prefer to join bounty hunter rather than investing in ico, because indeed I can get more prizes from the bounty. and this often happens when the distribution for bounty hunters starts and prices fall. therefore some ICO teams make regulations, such as partial distribution, then distribution time 1-2 weeks after listing on the market.

As usual, bounty hunters would always took the blame when it comes to price dumps.I cant really deny that they do really contribute to such slump of prices on initial phase
but come to think on the total supply that being allocated on bounties? It isn't really that big that would cause a very low price of such token.It do always matter with its investors itself knowing that they do accumulate big bonuses on early sale.Therefore, once it do hits exchangers they are the main dumpers that causes out for the price to slumped down.

not really  . there arent the number one reason to be blamed of when price dumped because they are only known to work for the bounty and they often recieve delayed payment plus most of them wont sell for a cheap price because they work for a long time but investors and whales are the real main reason that we blame because that is thier job  , thier mainly sell and manipulate  the prices  . infact hunters can make the price up because they are promoting the project to get exposure  .

The bounty hunters work for promoting the projects and popular projects easily can achieve the soft cap during token sales. The delayed bounty distribution is the reason why bounty hunters become angry and they want to get rid of the bounty tokens while prices are not dumped. In 80 percent of the new listing, the random dump is not surprised by the early investors and bounty hunters is not surprise anymore.

i agree with you on that, bounty hunters cant make a dump and  i believe team and investors are suspects of dumping coins when they see that the project has no future. 

The price of ICO lies in the support of investors and the control of the token price by the project side. When the ICO project is very successful, its price will also rise; if it fails, the price may plummet.

There are lot of ICO went successful but still ended up with fail when their token entered or listed on market. Their token only stay around 1-3 months before it got dumped from people and then starting to become shit token

Because they cant manage to maintain the price they dont add support for buying so the price will not dump even the bounty hunters sell it. And other reason is sometimes the ICO just faking the sale and just selling it once its listed in exchange and sell it to all supporters.

I think that either side is likely to cause a sell-off situation. If the market conditions improve, this situation is rare.

what the meaning cause that ico die? you alright about participants of bounty sell their coins it will make coins dumped. but it not one and only reason that make ico die. if the coins of ico really interest and have potential, the trader will interest and buy it such some coins of ico many trader buy the coins because the coins have good potential

I think all project can't maintain their token price since it's back to market. And for bounty hunter who sell their all token won't mske price dump so deep since the amount of token from bounty only less than 5% from total supply.

Not reached softcap i think

You cannot blame bounty hunters and I'm one of those who sometimes dump tokens after I got my share, one of my reason is a long works, projects last from 3 months to 9 months, it is just right that I convert some of my token so I can get the reward from my long works, second is I feel the project will have to wait for years before we see it's potential, and I prefer to trade the coin and invest on already moving project.

Bounty hunter has the right to what has been done, there are even projects that have been registered in the bourse that the bounty participants have not been distributed, the price remains dump.

So bounty hunter is not appropriate to be blamed for dump that occur in the project.

I never blame bounty hunters. It's their choice whatever they want to do with their token, either dump it or hold it. I said the best time to convert or exchange your token is around when it entered market until 3 months or you will ended up with regret since the price would be keep decreasing

Bounty hunters were dumping their rewards once they received them was all because they don't want to regret not selling them while it still has value. Because it's quite common lately, even if bounty hunters didn't dump the price, the price is already low as it is. Which makes hunters doesn't want to hodl them any longer. Even if there's a rewards locked, it doesn't mean that the price will remain great or at least stable. Most projects nowadays are having a hard time to survive in the market.

Some of the bounty hunters are also buying buy after they dump, these bounty hunters I tell have learned how to trade. They keep reading the forum to participate the promotion and they keep learning in the process. I have been holding some coins that I think has potential and might be bought but in the end they also were dumped hard. The good side of it though is that when the bulls rally, its when I see the worth in holding it.

When it comes to bounty hunter's shares we should not question if they want to sell or to hodl it, they worked on these coins, they have all the rights to dump it if they want to, it's not easy working on a bounty that lasts for several months, and if the project is that good it will eventually get up and the price will eventually recover.

if so the dump is not caused by bounty participants because the theory does not prove a demand that is going well, so even bounty hunters sell at unworthy prices, and in fact they manipulate the market for a pump that might be done someday

Bear market on altcoins is strong this days so no one wants to hold any altcoins, dumping ain't bad at all and i feel it's all on the team because they are the only one who can at least try to avoid the dump by creating something very demanding and listing on a very good exchange

Bounty is only profitable in bullish market, OP is correct, even if it's only 2% but when no one is buying and bounty hunters would like to dump their reward, they will likely get a very cheap price which is not good for the project as it's future will definitely be at risk.

If the project wants to succeed, they should not release the bounty if it will cause a dump, they should delay or maybe distribute on a monthly basis divided like 12 months, it's actually helpful for both as bounty hunters would like to get good value but they are just force to sell even cheap when they have it.

but how can they succeed if they wont run a promotion such as bounty  ? as we know that bounty on this forum can make a good impact on every project because all of the users here are onto cryptos and they are also investing aside from doing bounties to earn a coin  . it was not also a good idea to delay payment for a bounty hunter because they are only doing thier best to work hard for months and suddenly they will only cheap by the owner ? seems not fair to them  .

Don't forget investors and developers, it's highly chances are they will be the ones who will sell coins first on the exchange.
That's why bounty hunting will no longer be feasible.


The price is easy to shake in exchange, the whales will easily prepare their action, because there will be a "pattern price" on the exchange. Market sentiment will be easily shaken as well as the community.