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Title: Bustabit strategy
Post by: Daniboot on September 08, 2019, 05:53:11 AM
  Hi. What you think about this.

  https://imgur.com/a/kE3xrQd

  Simulated with https://mtihc.github.io/bustabit-script-simulator/

 


Title: Re: Bustabit strategy
Post by: janggernaut on September 08, 2019, 06:44:37 AM
Is it just another random strategy? You are playing on xx multipler, set % after lose and change the bet when your bet is lose.
All strategies in gambling are same, It will be busted in the end. Anyway, nice 0.098BTC profit, but you still lose around 0.02BTC


Title: Re: Bustabit strategy
Post by: ashmodeus on September 08, 2019, 09:17:14 AM
well , i have no idea .
basically,its same like dice strategy anyway.
but well, u do it so well.
i just think strategy like this just for wasting time.
because , basicaly games like bustabit , jackpot (or 5x++) can be happened sometimes, just wait and patience , different from dice games.


Title: Re: Bustabit strategy
Post by: dantee1 on September 08, 2019, 09:20:55 AM
in bustabit lowest bet is 1bit, so profit is almost 10btc in 2 million games.

It depends on the winning rate. If the rate is 0%, he could make no profit in 2 million games. If the rate is 100% he could make 2million bit in 2 million games


Title: Re: Bustabit strategy
Post by: mersal on September 08, 2019, 09:32:35 AM
in bustabit lowest bet is 1bit, so profit is almost 10btc in 2 million games.

It depends on the winning rate. If the rate is 0%, he could make no profit in 2 million games. If the rate is 100% he could make 2million bit in 2 million games
So someone expecting 100% win rate for the pure lucky games in the straight streak of 2 million times. ???

As far as I know no strategy gives us win money for sure in gambling.


Title: Re: Bustabit strategy
Post by: kryptqnick on September 08, 2019, 07:16:27 PM
I once watched a video when a guy showed how he won quite a lot with his fancy roulette strategy. And he might have been successful for some time indeed! But the most liked comment under the video was from a person that said this strategy made him lose a lot. This can also be the case with this bustabit thing. Sure, you can find an approach (or just play based on your hunch) and start winning. But it's not sustainable, eventually, you'll lose anyway. The mathematics, you can't beat it. Crash has too much randomization, just like dice and roulette. Nobody says you can't win once or for a couple of times. You just can't make regular money out of it.


Title: Re: Bustabit strategy
Post by: adaseb on September 08, 2019, 08:23:21 PM
I once watched a video when a guy showed how he won quite a lot with his fancy roulette strategy. And he might have been successful for some time indeed! But the most liked comment under the video was from a person that said this strategy made him lose a lot. This can also be the case with this bustabit thing. Sure, you can find an approach (or just play based on your hunch) and start winning. But it's not sustainable, eventually, you'll lose anyway. The mathematics, you can't beat it. Crash has too much randomization, just like dice and roulette. Nobody says you can't win once or for a couple of times. You just can't make regular money out of it.

I saw those Youtube videos in the past and it wasn't only for Bustabit or Roulette or even Dice. They basically make a video and they used to turn 50000 Sats into 1 BTC or so. And looking at the video it seemed legit and it was some "strategy" that they had and they either wanted money for that strategy or worse.

Basically it worked like this. They post a few videos on Youtube and it looks like they are making money with dice. Then in the description it says if you would like this "script" then email them. And the comments are ALWAYS DISABLED.

So you email them and they tell you that they want 10% of the profits and if you don't make money then they don't get anything. So most people would say its fair, because if somebody wins 1 BTC with their script, then most people won't care about giving them 0.10 BTC. However the script requires API access or worse the username/password for your dice account, once that is given they usually login and steal all your BTC and disappear.

This has been happening for years and Youtube is always slow at removing these videos.


Title: Re: Bustabit strategy
Post by: exbet.io on September 08, 2019, 09:17:32 PM
Excellent & detailed breakdown of how that scam works adaseb, nice job  8)


Title: Re: Bustabit strategy
Post by: TravelMug on September 08, 2019, 10:26:04 PM
I agree with the Youtube thingy, seen lots of them in years and it makes you really wonder if those scripts really work. To be frank, I tried one script, it really work in the beginning, but there's one thing I forget: house edge and probability. So whatever script you used, if you are too greedy to make more money even though you have won already, chances are, house edge with caught on you in the end.


Title: Re: Bustabit strategy
Post by: abaidudez on September 09, 2019, 12:37:01 AM
I don't really trust strategy from strangers. I like to create my own strategy in gambling and just experiment on it. I will try to check it. But I am very sure that no strategy will ever last long. No matter how safe it is it will be a bust in the end if you will not be careful.


Title: Re: Bustabit strategy
Post by: Haunebu on September 09, 2019, 09:22:58 AM
Thanks guys for your opinion. I think to give this setup a chance. I did at least 400 simulations with different variables and this one survives all bustabit games for now. And have best bankroll - profit percentage.
Honestly, this strategy just like any other strategy will 100% fail in the long term which is why I advise taking your profits and running for the door asap in the short term. 400 sample size is way too small.

I have seen countless strategies fail in the long term just like the one you mentioned. Don't be greedy op. Take the short term profits.


Title: Re: Bustabit strategy
Post by: exbet.io on September 09, 2019, 10:34:39 AM
Thanks guys for your opinion. I think to give this setup a chance. I did at least 400 simulations with different variables and this one survives all bustabit games for now. And have best bankroll - profit percentage.
Honestly, this strategy just like any other strategy will 100% fail in the long term which is why I advise taking your profits and running for the door asap in the short term. 400 sample size is way too small.

I have seen countless strategies fail in the long term just like the one you mentioned. Don't be greedy op. Take the short term profits.

Haunebu with some solid advice. Sample size is too small, and anyway do you really believe that they are offering a game that can beaten with "the right strategy"?

If you want to play, play for fun to small stakes. Otherwise, leave it alone.


Title: Re: Bustabit strategy
Post by: yahoo62278 on September 09, 2019, 11:18:34 AM
Thanks guys for your opinion. I think to give this setup a chance. I did at least 400 simulations with different variables and this one survives all bustabit games for now. And have best bankroll - profit percentage.
Honestly, this strategy just like any other strategy will 100% fail in the long term which is why I advise taking your profits and running for the door asap in the short term. 400 sample size is way too small.

I have seen countless strategies fail in the long term just like the one you mentioned. Don't be greedy op. Take the short term profits.
It's a fact that all, not countless, strategies will fail in the long run. That's why there's such a thing as a house edge.

Almost any strategy can and will work in the short term, just a matter of when it will fail users.


Title: Re: Bustabit strategy
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on September 09, 2019, 03:19:23 PM
At first I liked it, that script works very well, maybe it can be modified a bit and make it learn, if programming can be added in AI it would be more accurate, in addition the probability varies according to the seed when it is changed, the possibilities they increase exponentially, there are many numbers that they would be giving.

The strategy I think would work by applying it very rarely with high sums, after it works, you should immediately make a change of strategy, maybe make random plays.And if I share that the house always has the advantage, it is the law that is always fulfilled.


Title: Re: Bustabit strategy
Post by: milewilda on September 09, 2019, 05:31:06 PM
  Hi. What you think about this.
Im aint already interested to check out some strategies that been tried to be shared up by someone because it do works and give out profits.
Come to think that strategies might work or not depending on how lucky you are.If it did make some money for you then Congratulations,if not then
better luck next time and thats how gambling works.


Title: Re: Bustabit strategy
Post by: DarkDays on September 09, 2019, 05:52:23 PM
I saw those Youtube videos in the past and it wasn't only for Bustabit or Roulette or even Dice. They basically make a video and they used to turn 50000 Sats into 1 BTC or so. And looking at the video it seemed legit and it was some "strategy" that they had and they either wanted money for that strategy or worse.

Basically it worked like this. They post a few videos on Youtube and it looks like they are making money with dice. Then in the description it says if you would like this "script" then email them. And the comments are ALWAYS DISABLED.

So you email them and they tell you that they want 10% of the profits and if you don't make money then they don't get anything. So most people would say its fair, because if somebody wins 1 BTC with their script, then most people won't care about giving them 0.10 BTC. However the script requires API access or worse the username/password for your dice account, once that is given they usually login and steal all your BTC and disappear.

This has been happening for years and Youtube is always slow at removing these videos.

Anybody who believes that they can defeat the house edge with complex formulas and tricks is bound to get wrecked at some point.

I guess having their money stolen in an instant is less hassle than running the script, eventually losing, then wasting both your time and money.

It's quite easy to edit a video so that it appears that the script is working, that should not be evidence of success.

The only way to truly beat the house edge is to compromise their backend. However, anybody who managed to do that wouldn't announce it, and certainly wouldn't sell the method.


Title: Re: Bustabit strategy
Post by: Lakai01 on September 09, 2019, 07:03:32 PM
Honestly, this strategy just like any other strategy will 100% fail in the long term which is why I advise taking your profits and running for the door asap in the short term. 400 sample size is way too small.

I have seen countless strategies fail in the long term just like the one you mentioned. Don't be greedy op. Take the short term profits.
I second this. 400 as a sample size is way too small and might give you a false comfortable feeling with your strategy. Chances are very high that you get rekt when you try your script with your own money.

Anyways its plain simple: The algorithms are usually bullet proof and cant be fooled with a "strategy" as far as there are no major bugs in the code. The longer a site runs the lesser is the probability that there are such critical bugs in the code because the house usually monitors its statistics closely and would see any flaw immediatly.


Title: Re: Bustabit strategy
Post by: RHavar on September 09, 2019, 07:50:10 PM
The only way to truly beat the house edge is to compromise their backend.

Another possibility is to find and abuse weaknesses of sha256 which is used to generate the game-outcomes and the  hashchain itself. There was a guy a while ago, who did some pretty hardcore analysis and was able to find some statistical biases which would make some numbers slightly more likely to come up than others (I forgot the exact conditions though). The biases he found were several million times too weak to beat the house edge, but it's conceivable with a sufficient amount of cryptanalysis you could detect patterns.

A question I've often wondered, is if you used a really well-studied and super broken hash function like md5 -- is that sufficiently broken enough that people would be able to actually find abusable patterns?


Title: Re: Bustabit strategy
Post by: khaled0111 on September 09, 2019, 10:13:15 PM
 :)
To be frank, I tried one script, it really work in the beginning, but there's one thing I forget: house edge and probability.
This is exactly their trick. They make you believe that the script is working and you can earn more till you lose all your money or your account gets suspended.
Don't get fooled and remember that "the house always wins".




Title: Re: Bustabit strategy
Post by: Upgrade00 on September 10, 2019, 03:15:57 AM
It's a fact that all, not countless, strategies will fail in the long run. That's why there's such a thing as a house edge.

Almost any strategy can and will work in the short term, just a matter of when it will fail users.

I'm just getting to understand the concept of house edge. It seems a little like an insurance policy to ensure a certain amount of profits go to the house.
Do you think this can be implemented in actual games like sports, animal races etcetera? Or those depend solely on bookmarkers who set the odd to reduce the probability (or amount) of winnings based on possible predictions.


Title: Re: Bustabit strategy
Post by: Taskford on September 10, 2019, 03:52:26 AM
_snip
Honestly, this strategy just like any other strategy will 100% fail in the long term which is why I advise taking your profits and running for the door asap in the short term. 400 sample size is way too small.

I have seen countless strategies fail in the long term just like the one you mentioned. Don't be greedy op. Take the short term profits.
It's a fact that all, not countless, strategies will fail in the long run. That's why there's such a thing as a house edge.

Almost any strategy can and will work in the short term, just a matter of when it will fail users.

That's what I have noticed in gambling. Most of the strategies work in a short period of time then will be detected and not gonna work in a long run. You have to change strategies from time to time. And OP, just because your strategy works for you, doesn't mean it is effective for the others, too. Somehow we've seen some guy making a huge profits in his own strategy but the next time he uses it, it will be the other way around and will not eventually work.

Eventually it won't work on the long run since I saw many people who keeps telling that will work but in the end it fails, and so by this I conclude sometimes it's pure luck brought us on winnings and skills is just a + points for us to win, But still aiming to hit the jackpot luck to earn huge in quick instance  ;D.


Title: Re: Bustabit strategy
Post by: nc50lc on September 10, 2019, 04:17:08 AM
Eventually it won't work on the long run since I saw many people who keeps telling that will work but in the end it fails, and so by this I conclude sometimes it's pure luck brought us on winnings and skills is just a + points for us to win, But still aiming to hit the jackpot luck to earn huge in quick instance  ;D.
Geez, skills on a dice game? You've got to be kidding me ::)

I'm just getting to understand the concept of house edge. It seems a little like an insurance policy to ensure a certain amount of profits go to the house. -snip-
People still haven't explained why it's the house edge for something like this or that famous Martingale strategy will fail in the long run.

The concept?:
To put this simply, it's the percentage deducted from the player's 100% chance of winning so 1%HE = 99% of winning for x1 dice.
So the "House" (casino) always have the "edge" (higher chance of winning).
x2 dice: 50% base chance - 0.5% (1% HE) = 49.5% chance to win;
x3 dice: 33.333...% - 0.333...% (1% HE) = 33% chance to win;

Knowing that the casino literally have more chance to win than you, the more you roll the more chance that you'll lose.
It works best if you can limit your rolls to 10 to 1;
but there are some lucky ones who won using those strategies (one out of thousands).


Title: Re: Bustabit strategy
Post by: rdbase on September 10, 2019, 04:42:42 AM
  Hi. What you think about this.
Im aint already interested to check out some strategies that been tried to be shared up by someone because it do works and give out profits.
Come to think that strategies might work or not depending on how lucky you are.If it did make some money for you then Congratulations,if not then
better luck next time and thats how gambling works.
I am working on bab scripts many months. I can easily tell you that martingale is the worst strategy that you can try. Its gonna fail, I can easily prove this to you.
This is what these bustabit scripts are just martingale strategy betting on losses then raising the wagered amounts until they hit a win.
Nothing too complex to see it when it is running.
Have used these in the past and you only win if you have a substantial bank roll to begin with. If not then you run out of bits pretty fast. :D


Title: Re: Bustabit strategy
Post by: pieppiep on September 10, 2019, 04:48:09 AM
It is hard to believe that the method will work in dice gambling. I don't know how bigger our chance to win using that method as I know that to win in the dice game will be very difficult, and not many gamblers can do that. Once I try to use the method, but it ends up losing all the money for that day, so I decide not to use any method in dice because I realize that will only work if I have luck and I am in the right gambling site.

But of course, I believe that there are gamblers who can win from any gambling games including to win in the dice games. But he will have everything works so he can win the games. No matter how hard we are trying to win, if the luck does not come to us, then you cannot win at all. But if you are playing with enjoying the game, sometime the luck will come to you and give a surprise to you.


Title: Re: Bustabit strategy
Post by: sheenshane on September 10, 2019, 04:55:22 AM
Knowing that the casino literally have more chance to win than you, the more you roll the more chance that you'll lose.
It works best if you can limit your rolls to 10 to 1;
but there are some lucky ones who won using those strategies (one out of thousands).
So it means that there is no strategy on casino like bustabit, the fact is only a trick that won't long last even if you apply and consider as the best strategy. A feature dice game is based on luck so I think even though if you have a trick possible it won't work.

I won't agree that the more you roll the more you will lose, sometimes you will win. As I have said dice game depends on your luck, there is a chance that you can defeat the house edge if the luck is on with you.


Title: Re: Bustabit strategy
Post by: imstillthebest on September 10, 2019, 05:34:59 AM
Knowing that the casino literally have more chance to win than you, the more you roll the more chance that you'll lose.
It works best if you can limit your rolls to 10 to 1;
but there are some lucky ones who won using those strategies (one out of thousands).
So it means that there is no strategy on casino like bustabit, the fact is only a trick that won't long last even if you apply and consider as the best strategy. A feature dice game is based on luck so I think even though if you have a trick possible it won't work.

I won't agree that the more you roll the more you will lose, sometimes you will win. As I have said dice game depends on your luck, there is a chance that you can defeat the house edge if the luck is on with you.

thats what they say . they say strategy dont really work but there are peeps that believes that strategy work for them and they still kept on using it    . they also said that strategy can make you play longer but it the end you will still loose or wont earn a good profit at all  but thats cool because if you are playing for fun or only for entertainment , you can apply a strategy so that you can enjoy more longer than usual    . winning also depend on what win chance or multiplier you are using  ,  if you are playing with the default chance then most of your rolls will be green but if you set it high then most of your rolls will be reds .


Title: Re: Bustabit strategy
Post by: mu_enrico on September 10, 2019, 05:48:28 AM
I won't agree that the more you roll the more you will lose, sometimes you will win. As I have said dice game depends on your luck, there is a chance that you can defeat the house edge if the luck is on with you.
@nc50lc is correct mate. To utilize luck (i.e., more winning percentage), we cannot play a long game. In the long run, the probability of winning will equal* the probability of losing.

*However, because of HE, the house will always have the advantage, and the players will always lose.

You can defeat HE only if you play for a short time.


Title: Re: Bustabit strategy
Post by: Haunebu on September 10, 2019, 06:53:38 AM
I won't agree that the more you roll the more you will lose, sometimes you will win. As I have said dice game depends on your luck, there is a chance that you can defeat the house edge if the luck is on with you.
You are missing the point. Have you ever heard of anyone winning regularly from gambling in the long term? Probably not. On the other hand, you would have heard tons of stories about people winning big with a single roll thanks to insane luck.

This is why short term profits can be expected and this is why many people like to go all in on their rolls. Sports betting is far better for earning regularly in the long term since luck is not the only factor involved here.


Title: Re: Bustabit strategy
Post by: veleten on September 10, 2019, 04:22:04 PM
while there exist people who believe in scripts and strategies that can make you rich , casinos will flourish
all strategies work until they don't
you can win , basically , on any non-retarded strategy short term , but the longer you use it or play in general
the sooner the house edge and variance kick in and the mathematics does what it does best - works
due to my occupation I witness hundreds of people daily oblivious to how does a casino work , some of them even do not know the rules of the games they are playing
some blame casinos for "rigging" their particular bets quote " I just got 12 red bets in a row on a 50% chance , this is impossible"
please, educate yourself before playing and do not get scammed/fooled with the scripts that promise you riches