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If Bitcointalk is dead because "core bitcoin community moved from Bitcointalk to Reddit" then
who are all these people now having discussions on Bitcointalk? Asking for a friend..

There are many developers from Bitcoin core who still use this forum,  so I don't think your information is correct.

This is a good forum, you just need to look in the right boards. This board is a bad one, but technical discussion and support boards, for example, are very good.

Where did you get that impression? I’d genuinely be interested in knowing the arguments that back the assertion stated in the OP, as well as the scope of "core" in it’s context.

Besides the quality side to discussions that can be taking place in one and another platform, there is also the quantitate side. On this latter measure, I’ve come across a site that claims to provide stats on reddit, and for Bitcoin it shows as follows: https://subredditstats.com/r/Bitcoin If the numbers are true, the interesting ones would be Comments per Day (917) and Posts per Day (146). I’m not a Reddit user, so I can’t tell if those numbers are good, great or what.

Quality comparison wise I where it would be interesting to expand, and that is why I wanted to know what backed the initial OP' assertion.

Yes good point. It seems a common message is this forum is on decline from its high point.
Not as relevant for crypto and blockchain insight. To me it seems pretty active. 

Does your "friend's" name start with an R and end with an R? Just curious.  ::)

I think the question is more hypothetical in the sense that where the discussions will take place in case Bitcointalk no longer exists, but there is no reason to expect that this will ever happen. I'm pretty sure that in the worst case scenario the community will bring it back to life in some form or shape.

One thing is sure, they will NOT be taking place on bitchcoin dot com's forum.  ;)

It is an absurd idea without significant benefits and it will  likely spur further chaos since we all all knew bitcointalk.org is the premier

forum to tackle  everything related to Bitcoin. Reddit  is not designed to handle in-depth discussions  in a forum like manner just like

what bitcointalk.org offers. Imho.

I got this impression from several sources. Some related to tracking sentiment on Bitcoin generally for prospective investors. Others for marketing and promoting ICO and STO projects.
And in Feb there was a piece about a third of referrals dropping in one month to bitcointalk.org
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitcointalk-lost-third-users-february-004501426.html

So as a newbie I see a lot of discussion and activity IMO. But not able to compare to 2-3 years ago activity. 

Who gave you the idea that Core Bitcoin community isn't on bitcointalk? Where is the source of your information? and where is the Reddit community that they moved to?

Core Bitcoin community is still on bitcointalk you are just looking in the wrong board, browse through the forum and you will find out yourself.

I can see on reddit only bch fans

While some have left, I don't think everything is exclusively as you say, in fact, the forum has increased its quality since the merit system was implemented and this without taking into account that the forum has been since the beginning of Bitcoin and the Since the first publication of Satoshi, I know that some want to be protagonists, many forums and social networks that make the competition may arise, but the bitcointalk forum represents the story and that story is active, if some are gone, surely Take a look and review the topics here, you cannot replace the irreplaceable.

there is no decline. i think some people sometimes over exaggerate things when it comes to this forum. like any other public forum, this place grew and that growth attracted all kinds of people. from people who were genuinely interested in bitcoin and learning more to trolls who are here to spam. the "earning" part might sometimes lead to more spammers but they usually are purged from the forum.

when you only focus on the spammers and negative part, of course it seems like there is a decline! but why not focus on the positive? as much as there is a growth in spammers, there is a growth in the number of experts that are around here with positive discussions too.

Developers might not be discussing things here, but that is pretty normal nowdays. Usually those discussions go in their separate areas, such as a mailing list or a freenode dev channel. Some of them are here and even have global moderator status...

Incidentally i NEVER go to reddit for Bitcoin matters, tho i have an account and probably subscribed r/bitcoin or whatever. I don't think reddit is suitable for developing talk.

Bitcointalk dead? tell your "friend" to come and see...

Your question is way too hypothetical, to answer it you need to know what made "core bitcoin community" move from this forum - was it abuse by administrations or DT, or the quality of conversations became too low, or maybe forum's technology is not up to modern expectations - there can be countless reasons, and they all determine who would be left on this forum.

I don't think this is true. Surely, some of the earliest members left the forum, and I guess the majority of people active on the forum are earning money from signature campaigns/bounties or planning to do so. Still, though, even those who are somewhat working here can also be interested in discussing the topics. I, for one, like this forum, because if there's important news, someone will write about it here and offer to discuss. It's interesting to see what people think, what they believe and what they worry about. So in a sense, Bitcointalk has a strong and motivated community.

Just the people who prefer btt :)

There are two separate matters here, that could have a common link between them, or not:

a) Is Bitcointalk less active overtime (i.e. as the article you referenced in the post I am responding to states)?

Well yes, that is pretty much true. The number of net posts created on Bitcointalk has decreased quite a lot since the beginning of 2018 (see https://public.tableau.com/shared/CM5PFFGQ2?:display_count=yes&:origin=viz_share_link), especially due ICO/Bounty coming to a stall with regards of what it was back then. With less ICOs, less bounties, and ATH being a distant mirage, many people have gone amiss from the forum, just in the same way they swarmed in when the tide was rising high. Things seem to be rather stable as of late in terms of monthly created net posts though; not decreasing as of late.

This is not an isolated feature, and since you referred to an article that looked at Google trends, let’s look at it from a broader perspective (i.e. 5 years instead on 1 year and comparing Bitcointalk with Bitcoin):

 
 
The two charts have quite a similarity. That is to say, as expected, sways to and from Bitcointalk are pretty much related to the sways on Bitcoin itself.

Note that Google trends is fine as a reference tool, but subject to some drawbacks:
-   It can, at times, be allegedly manipulated (see  Google Trends went crazy for the Btc search (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5182338.0)).
-   It is based on the relative value of searches of a term vs all searched terms, and does not display absolute values (see re:Google Trends went crazy for the Btc search (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5182338.msg52377034#msg52377034)).


b) Is Bitcoin Community moving over to Reddit?

The stats I referenced (https://subredditstats.com/r/Bitcoin) show (scroll down the stat) that comments per day is receding pretty much over the past few months (except for July 2019 where it was pretty high for some reason). On the other hand, the subscriber cumulative chart shows a nice surge between 137k subscribers in 2019. Bitcointalk in the same period has 157K new accounts (see Statistics of user registrations on Bitcointalk 2017-2019 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4685601.0)). Granted that many of those Bitcointalk created accounts are twat-a-bot type accounts, but I cannot say what goes on on Reddit to compare this side-effect.

Now whether the r/Bitcoin is really gaining adepts from Bitcointalk, in a clear transfer of “core” contributors is something I do not know, and cannot really see referenced here numerically. Either way, I’m pretty sure both environment have posters and content of all sorts, good and bad, but it would be interesting to get some insights from people that are usual contributors on both r/Bitcoin and Bitcointalk to compare from a perceived quality point of view. For the time being, I have seen no objective proof to that effect.

I think this forum will never stop! your approximations about this forum is  totally wrong! this platform is the best platform for know about crypto-currencies world and discussion about world of crypto-currencie.   

Define 'core Bitcoin community'.

If it means the old school hard core from the earliest of days I think they've gotten bored of here as it got taken over by Google translate morons in search of a pittance.

I can't say the quality of discourse on Reddit is all that much higher but the financial incentive at least isn't there.

The real communication about real work used to happen here, now it'll be on private or more exclusive channels.  

"If core bitcoin community moved from Bitcointalk to Reddit then.." it will result to chaos since Reddit cannot handle efficiently the total amount of information from bitcointalk since its creation. Moreover the idea of migrating all existing data from bitcointalk to reddit is ridiculous!

I find Reddit a piece of shit. It astonishes me that it's so popular considering how agonisingly unwieldy it is. I find it impossible to find half remembered posts from 12 hours ago sometimes, let alone years.

It feels like one of those things that's tolerated simply because it's been around for so long but if you proposed it today you'd get punched in the tits for the mediocrity of your proposal.

If the community ever really did go full Reddit I'd leave the community to it for good.

How you can think it will happen? Do you take own research?
What makes them think to choose Reddit? Is it better than Bitcointalk for the Bitcoin community?

Core Bitcoin community must consider many things before thinking to move to Reddit.
Bitcointalk already provided all things that Bitcoin communities need and with very easy access.
Moreover, it has been trusted for years and almost no big problems here.
So, I don't see big reasons for the core Bitcoin community to move to Reddit.

Actually Bitcointalk is so important, even Altcoins don't dare launch without an official Bitcointalk Announce thread. Next to it, Reddit is irrelevant, it doesn't matter if someone makes or not a subreddit of the specific altcoin.

Even if Bitcointalk was to be moved (perhaps because forum software change) it wouldn't go into Reddit in particular.

I think there is a big market that will always stay with Bitcointalk. Of course, there are other platforms where Bitcoin and cryptocurrency are also being talked about and this forum is not claiming exclusivity and in fact we should believe that the more the merrier. In case, people (especially developers) can be leaving this forum I am there can be some who are also coming. Only time can tell if OP's prediction can be coming true.

Have you seen the number of users in this forum  :o, am not sure what exactly you mean by if 'core bitcoin community ' move to reddit because reddit and bitcointalk are totally different forum, there are a lot of activities to be engaged in on this forum so whether core bitcoin community move or not this forum will continue to exist and strong.

I don't know why would anyone do that. Reddit isn't as near so good as this forum is. In fact, I think that bitcointalk is the best currently available place for Bitcoin community to share knowledge, information and experiences. Also it's very well moderated, administrated and maintained which is allso very important. So, I don't see any reason at all why would anyone choose reddit over bitcointalk.

This forum will never just go away for the following reasons :

1. It is a treasure trove of information on Bitcoin
2. It contains original posts and discussions with Satoshi Nakamoto.
3. It is a good source of advertisement income for the stakeholders.
4. It provides for a platform where normal Bitcoin users can receive bitcoin for their contributions <Sig and Bounty campaigns>
5. It is very helpful resources for newbies.
6. It is a global platform, where people can interact in their own language and with their own people.
7. It is not a scam site. <Yes, some scams have been launched here, but the moderators act quickly when it is discovered.>

Why would a brilliant resource like this, just die?  

It is impossible to integrate all the functionalities of Bitcointalk to Reddit, including the Merit system, Activity, Ranking.etc. Moving to Reddit means that the old users who have been around for a while will lose their seniority.  The trust system will be in shambles. So I don't think that this is ever going to happen. Individual users or small groups may boycott Bitcointalk and move to Reddit, but the majority is going to stay here.

reddit already has a more advanced "merit system" and it had it for years! it is the voting system that all topics and comments have. it is more advanced because you can both upvote and downvote any post there instead of just upvote (giving merit) and also it has the ability to sort comments based on the most upvoted.

none of this has anything to do with going to reddit instead of bitcointalk though. i don't know what OP is talking about!

Same here. I hate how some valuable posts get downvoted and disappear, just because people don't agree with them. This doesn't make them spam, nor trolling, they are just controversial and this gives the majority the right to make them disappear. How should we call it? The Reddit democracy?
That's not even half of the problems I have with Reddit. Even the structure of threads and replies is annoying. You can't see everything and simply scroll down one by one, no, they had to make it more difficult.


A positive reward system like upvoting and meriting is great, but allowing for downvoted posts to be hidden is negative and abusive IMO. I wouldn't call what we have on Reddit more advanced.

The quality of posts on reddit is not much better than btt tbh. I'd say it is worse. BTT became a sig spammers' nest in the last few years but the new ranking system is hopefully going to fix this.

Have you even ever been to reddit? The comments section is pretty much all memes and unrelated shit.

I don't see Reddit as good as this forum to handle such kind of information, the structure here is way better
But talking about importance of btc devs, it's something to think about, yes, sure

My two cents, this forum have the most important community of cryptos and will be the most trustable and important for a long time, everyday we have new stuff to become a better forum, and with this system of rankings make this the best place to post and participate

Oh, and mr Satoshi founded here :D

OP somehow did his research and you can see in his previous reply (quoted below) why he/she initially thought of that.

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It's not that there are no memes and unrelated shit here but yes, those types of comments is what I usually see on reddit.

Absolutely true! And to be honest the forum is a very valuable and premier knowledge-base in all things crypto! I humbly admit that

I owe a lot of what i had learned on this forum and still continues to enjoy having an everyday learning experience with it and not

on any other social media platforms like reddit which up to now I find that its not even user friendly to ordinary users just like me.

reddit is one of the top sites these days . they cant become top if they arent good right ?  but i can see reddit as a general forum and dont foccus on one topic  . while bitcointalk forum only foccus on bitcoin or cryptocurrency but there is also an off topic for some small general discussion   .

but let say if btc devs or satoshi himself chose reddit , then no problem with that  . we can still have those healthy discussions on there .

There must be a reason why people will move out here, everything is going great here, nothing I can't think of I dread that if it will happen, I still prefer forum, I am more familiar on a forum structure compare to Reddit, and I'm pretty sure many shares the same opinion, so I just look for the next big forum if ever that happen, but that is still far fetched.

I don't think that Bitcointalk forum is bad. It is still doing very good. But I can't say the same thing for 'Bitcoin Discussion' section. It lost its quality on a large scale compared to the old times.

I create and launch an altcoin. I find that bitcointalk is the most welcoming and diverse community. Other communities are plague with extreme views, tribal and herd mentality. I got down voted on reddit and mostly ignored. Some Bitcoin Core developers are scammy and dumb just like everyone else. People moving off bitcointalk to other communities has an advantage. There's less scam on bitcointalk.

I hope it won't. Bitcointalk has it's special climate. I like being here despite this forum being a little too basic and too simple. There are some really great forums with features chats emoticons but bitcointalk is still popular and has its charm. I prefer it over reddit.

I don't think the community would move to reddit. They would ask for a new forum that would be only about cryptocurrencies. I'd rather stop using forums than move to reddit.

This forum will never stop. as you said "this forum is the best platform for knowledge about cryptocurrencies and discussion about the world of cryptocurrencies"

I don't think there is another place that is better than here, another place just to complement IMO

Part of the community has already moved to Reddit, but nevertheless, in fact, nothing has changed. Now 2 community and in this there is nothing bad

Agree. There are just many topics out there in reddit which is not just cryptocurrency so perhaps that is why some members form here prefer spending their time on reddit. But for me, I personally feel that local community here in bitcointalk is much more active so I still choose bitcointalk than reddit. I still also see legendary members that are posting and contributing so I don't think the statement is true.

I prefer staying here, I am more familiar in a forum than on Reddit, I do not have an account on Reddit even though it's one of the most popular social media on the internet, I like the category structure of a forum than on Reddit.

Bitcointalk is associated with Bitcoin I don't think it will just die like that if Bitcoin dies then we have nothing to talk here.
as long as we have Bitcoin then this forum will go on.

I was about blasting you until I saw that you were asking for a friend.  the reedit that he is talking of, I can’t even remember the last time I ever opened it and secondly, there are more opportunities in bitcoin talk than there is in reedit I guess, and talking of reedit, people will better associate with bitcoin talk more because it was created by satoshi himself and you know that people have very high respect for him and they trust more of what he created when it comes to cryptocurrency than any other platform that has something related to cryptocurrency.

You need to also consider the type of discussion that is being discussed in the reddit compared to what is being discussed here, are people even able to participate in bounty projects as much as they do here.

Is this your tought, or where did you draw this conclusion or speculation?
You should go to the according threads and sections of this forum , there are lots of people here who were here at the beginning and still are here.
And what is up with this " asking for a friend? " are you afraid of criticism ?

Do you have any basis for this statement of yours, or any link for this things?
Because, if I am going to get my opinion, bitcointalk forum is the best of all forum I know
in online platform. And you shouldn't compare bitcointalk to reddit, because BTT helped many people
in terms of financial problems.

no he dont . its only a what if'  .  these what if's wont happen anymore because bitcointalk forum is now matured and it wont make no sense that people here will migrate on other forums that are smaller when compared to where bitcointalk forum was now.  

 bitcointalk forum is the best forum when it comes to bitcoin talks or crypto talks because we have all the original source. however this forum does not intend to solved financial problems because this is not a charity that gives free money or donations to the poor

It is unlikely that in reality something would have changed. I think on BTT will remain quite a lot of people

My opinion remains unchanged, as are the pioneers of the cryptocurrency market.  Bitcoin is the very first cryptocurrency and bitcointalk is the very first form that brought together all cryptocurrency users.  But we must take into account the fact that the cryptocurrency market is growing and there are more and more users.  It is thanks to this that information about cryptocurrency is distributed everywhere and sounds on different social networks.  Therefore, bitcointalk will not be the only forum where cryptocurrencies will be discussed, but it will still be the most important among all social networks.