Title: creating a new section: Mini PC Post by: pishite on September 20, 2019, 08:07:46 AM Tell me how to propose creating a new section?
I would like to see a section on minicomputers, since forum users are holding nodes of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies on them. And sometimes very awkward seek information about them around the forum, and so can be was would pursue debate on him in a special section, for example mini-the PC. Title: Re: creating a new section: Mini PC Post by: LoyceV on September 20, 2019, 08:14:26 AM Tell me how to propose creating a new section? You could start by showing there's a large demand for it: can you post all current threads about mini PCs?Quote I would like to see a section on minicomputers, since forum users are holding nodes of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies on them. I'd say this fits better in the generic technical topics. I don't think the physical size of the computer matters much for running a node.Title: Re: creating a new section: Mini PC Post by: Jet Cash on September 20, 2019, 08:19:29 AM What do you mean by a " mini computer ". I remember when DEC produced small alternatives to IBM and Control Data mainframes. Are you referring to single board micros such as the Raspberry Pi. I'd be interested in discussions about these for digital nomads, but couldn't they be discussed on the current technical board
Title: Re: creating a new section: Mini PC Post by: pishite on September 20, 2019, 08:23:34 AM Tell me how to propose creating a new section? You could start by showing there's a large demand for it: can you post all current threads about mini PCs?Quote I would like to see a section on minicomputers, since forum users are holding nodes of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies on them. I'd say this fits better in the generic technical topics. I don't think the physical size of the computer matters much for running a node.https://i.imgur.com/fgPbheg.png For example, here are 5 pages for the word raspberry. And how many more questions on the topic of coins how to make a wallet or configure it correctly, I'm sure that the section will be very popular among users. What do you mean by a " mini computer ". I remember when DEC produced small alternatives to IBM and Control Data mainframes. Are you referring to single board micros such as the Raspberry Pi. I'd be interested in discussions about these for digital nomads, but couldn't they be discussed on the current technical board And about single Board and about mini PCs like Intel nuke Title: Re: creating a new section: Mini PC Post by: bob123 on September 20, 2019, 08:29:34 AM Why is it necessary to have a dedicated section for small computers ?
The majority of the results shown in your screenshot are offer to sell/buy a raspberry. They would not belong in such a section. Another result was asking about the cheapest device to host a node. This generic question wouldn't belong there either. Is it also necessary to create a section regarding large and medium-large computers? What about operating systems? One section for each OS (MSDOS, Win2000, WinXP, Win7, Win8, Win10, ... ) ? The questions and discussion aren't about raspberries or the OS. They are bitcoin-related with a connection to a specific OS (e.g. "why is it not running on OS XYZ") or a specific architecture (e.g. "Wallet X is not running on architecture Y"). Are there even more than a handful discussions dedicated to (only) "small computers" ? Title: Re: creating a new section: Mini PC Post by: mocacinno on September 20, 2019, 08:30:03 AM --snip-- For example, here are 5 pages for the word raspberry. And how many more questions on the topic of coins how to make a wallet or configure it correctly, I'm sure that the section will be very popular among users. 5 pages isn't a lot, especially since your screenshot shows search results starting 7 years ago... 5 pages in 7 years, including for-sale threads... Don't get me wrong, i'm defenately not against your idear if there's a real demand for such a subforum, but maybe Theymos would want to avoid another subforum that's barely used? Anyways, it's Theymos's call, but if you're really serious, i'd try to make a better case (just my 2 satoshi's tough) Title: Re: creating a new section: Mini PC Post by: Jet Cash on September 20, 2019, 08:38:18 AM I'd suggest that it might be more useful to have a nomadic computing board. This could include low power and small form factor computing for mining, and running a node. It could also include solar and other power sources, and network connectivity, and this could include the emerging software controlled radio networks.
Title: Re: creating a new section: Mini PC Post by: coinlocket$ on September 20, 2019, 09:50:27 AM I think this is the right sections, where mods and Theymos read the most.
About your request and your screenshot, I don't think this will be approved, as someone one already pointed out a lot of those results are from 5+ years ago. Also if you read carefully some of those posts are even on local boars. Often people will sell their items only on the local board to get an easier communication or meeting with the buyer. Title: Re: creating a new section: Mini PC Post by: Welsh on September 20, 2019, 10:57:04 AM I would agree with the others that 4-6 pages isn't enough demand to warrant a entire new section in my opinion. The discussion of mini computers can already fit in existing sections without any issue. Especially, as pointed out by bob some of them are buying, and selling mini computers.
However, I wouldn't be totally against having a sub section within technical support solely for the purpose of discussion about nodes, and running them. Title: Re: creating a new section: Mini PC Post by: philipma1957 on September 20, 2019, 02:09:24 PM Tell me how to propose creating a new section? You could start by showing there's a large demand for it: can you post all current threads about mini PCs?Quote I would like to see a section on minicomputers, since forum users are holding nodes of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies on them. I'd say this fits better in the generic technical topics. I don't think the physical size of the computer matters much for running a node.Disagree size matters for many people. Mac mini’s Dell optiplex micro Hp Lenovo All make 8 inch by 8 inch by 2 inch pc’s You can get cheap ones run wallets nodes etc Don’t mix with your mining gear. I have four Mac mini’s One dell optiplex micro One hp One Lenovo They are used for nodes wallets etc. they offer a lot of security. Title: Re: creating a new section: Mini PC Post by: jackg on September 20, 2019, 02:31:06 PM ~ Didn't apple make something even smaller at one point? I seem to remember doing some work somewhere where they used a computer (probably the size of a raspberry pi but a cube-like shape) that was used for archiving data. Maybe the miniPC section is a bit specialised but a section to running full nodes makes a bit of sense (although maye the alternative clients sections could be split up into "thic" and "thin" software). There are a few people on here that were enquiring about the new raspberry pi 4 too (I think at least 2 threads opened up from that discussion - I might try using an old raspberry pi myself once I have the sync out of the way since it's limited to a maximum of 5W even with a hard drive installed). Title: Re: creating a new section: Mini PC Post by: Welsh on September 20, 2019, 03:51:43 PM ~ Didn't apple make something even smaller at one point? I seem to remember doing some work somewhere where they used a computer (probably the size of a raspberry pi but a cube-like shape) that was used for archiving data. Maybe the miniPC section is a bit specialised but a section to running full nodes makes a bit of sense (although maye the alternative clients sections could be split up into "thic" and "thin" software). There are a few people on here that were enquiring about the new raspberry pi 4 too (I think at least 2 threads opened up from that discussion - I might try using an old raspberry pi myself once I have the sync out of the way since it's limited to a maximum of 5W even with a hard drive installed). I would probably agree on the full node section as its quite nice to have a dedicated section for that. I know there's multiple posts within the Bitcoin technical, and development & technical discussion about full nodes even if they are in the wrong section. Although, I can't look at the demand right now. Are you referring to the Apple mini's? As far as I know apple hasn't released anything on the scale of Raspberry pi's though. Title: Re: creating a new section: Mini PC Post by: jackg on September 20, 2019, 06:11:40 PM Are you referring to the Apple mini's? As far as I know apple hasn't released anything on the scale of Raspberry pi's though. Title: Re: creating a new section: Mini PC Post by: Vod on September 20, 2019, 07:37:17 PM What do you mean by a " mini computer ". I remember when DEC produced small alternatives to IBM and Control Data mainframes. Are you referring to single board micros such as the Raspberry Pi. I'd be interested in discussions about these for digital nomads, but couldn't they be discussed on the current technical board Agreed. I also remembering that term for a series of small computers released in the 60s with all the features of the mainframes. Quote Definition: A minicomputer is also known as mini. It is a class of small computers that was introduced into the world in the mid-1960s. A minicomputer is a computer which has all the features of a large size computer, but its size is smaller than those. A minicomputer lies between the mainframe and the microcomputer because its size is smaller than the former one and larger than the latter one. A minicomputer is also called as a mid-range computer. Minicomputers are mainly multi-users systems where more than one user can work simultaneously. Mini computer examples: IBM’s AS/400e, Honeywell200, TI-990 http://ecomputernotes.com/fundamental/introduction-to-computer/minicomputer Title: Re: creating a new section: Mini PC Post by: dothebeats on September 20, 2019, 07:40:49 PM This discussion would be more fitting on other tech-forums IMO, or it can snug itself in the Technical sub-forums. Or, it can also seek its place within the Mining section--though it's not exclusively mining-related but it's a core component of the said process. 5-6 pages of the said topic, most of which are from years ago, IMO isn't enough demand to create a new board of its own. It's a fun stuff to discuss about, and I do have my own sets of Dell Optiplex and other compact PCs (mini-ITX builds) since they save space in the office and inside my house, but yeah, this is more of a bitcoin-centric forum revolving around things on bitcoin and not form-factor of nodes and other gears.
Title: Re: creating a new section: Mini PC Post by: pugman on September 20, 2019, 10:22:03 PM Sure, and while we're at it, let's also make a memes section for posting area 51 raid memes and make all of the million newbies the mod of that section, it'd be fun.
After searching for topics posted on bitcointalk using keyword mini pc on Google, the few topics that exist have been posted on various sections. One is off topic, another is bitcoin>mining and in mining(altcoins). Don't really think a new section is required for it as of now maybe later when there's enough discussion on a regular basis then sure of course. Title: Re: creating a new section: Mini PC Post by: mprep on September 21, 2019, 01:02:15 AM Since this isn't the first board request topic I'm responding to, I'm going to quote (albeit with minor adjustments) what I've previously said on the subject so as to not repeat myself (since AFAIK the same soft requirements still apply):
Unless a subset of possible board topics is dominating the front page (+50% of topics on the front page belong to said subset), it's highly unlikely that it'll have a sub-section created for it. Not much point in creating a board that will be dead on arrival. As with all sub-forum requests, I'm gonna ask a question - how many topics about In the overwhelming majority of cases, boards are created not to encourage discussion of a subject but to stop a certain subject from dominating a board meant for a larger array of topics. Title: Re: creating a new section: Mini PC Post by: philipma1957 on September 21, 2019, 01:56:54 AM I am willing to run a small form factor thread. It would list small form / mini PCs / what nodes etc.
I would self mod it. Can’t be any harder to run then the GPU threads I ran. I only ask a mod to tell me where to list it. It would be inclusive of all coins and all nodes. Even pos staking which I don’t like. Not sure where to post it. But since I use a lot of small PCs a good thread is worth while. Title: Re: creating a new section: Mini PC Post by: libert19 on September 21, 2019, 04:20:28 AM I would like to see a section on minicomputers, since forum users are holding nodes of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies on them. And sometimes very awkward seek information about them around the forum, and so can be was would pursue debate on him in a special section, for example mini-the PC. These can be summed up in mining section (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=160.0), doesn't it? You don't have to create new section for every new thing, it's just makes things cumbersome. Title: Re: creating a new section: Mini PC Post by: philipma1957 on September 21, 2019, 11:26:07 AM I would like to see a section on minicomputers, since forum users are holding nodes of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies on them. And sometimes very awkward seek information about them around the forum, and so can be was would pursue debate on him in a special section, for example mini-the PC. These can be summed up in mining section (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=160.0), doesn't it? You don't have to create new section for every new thing, it's just makes things cumbersome. not really since the mining section is one for alt coins and one for btc. So you then would need at least 2 threads. For instance I am on a mac mini 2014 uses and extrenal ssd as the boot drive. I run two core wallets with full nodes one for LTC and one for BTC if I wanted to do a thread under mining I would need two thread one in alt coins and one in BTC. My guess is this was or is the op's main reason for a small form factor section. In the same desk area I have a dell optiplex micro it is hooked up to the same monitor and has an xmr wallet/node It would be nice to have a goto thread showing the advantages of these small pcs for running wallets nodes etc. There are a lot of different ones available. four or five rasp pi models many apple mac mini models dell optiplex lenovo tiny hp elite intel nuc zotac has a whole line of them giga byte brix current rules of forum would mean a threads in the sections below https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=76.0 btc hardware https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=81.0 btc speculation https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=4.0 btc technical support those above would be for btc https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=160.0 alt coin mining ---- I do the gpu threads here. I can see why op is asking for a spot to have all this. Also if a thread says how to use a rasp pi you won't find it with a mini pc as the search If a thread says are lenovo tinys good enough to run a core wallet you wont find it with a mini pc search. If I wanted to spend the time to develop a thread for using mini pcs. I would need to do 4 threads to follow forum rules. It starts to be too hard to do that. My gpu threads 1 to 8 had more then 1 million hits. For instance if you go to dell outlet right now they have optiplex 3060 micro optiplex 5060 micro optiplex 7060 micro and a precision small form factor I could write a few thousand words about the pcs above no problem But I can't do it in one section. I own a 7060 dell optiplex. I could right how I use it why it is out standing for a core wallet/node how to mod it how to back it up. I read meta a lot and I post on it once in a while I read this thread and it caught my interest as I am in mining and crypto due to my mac mini mod business. Apple altered the newer mac mini's in 2012 and 2014 thus it made my mod business obsolete. I had lots of pc building experience with small pc's and started doing gpu btc builds in 2012 when I saw the end of my mac mini modding. Title: Re: creating a new section: Mini PC Post by: Theb on September 21, 2019, 09:28:57 PM Tell me how to propose creating a new section? You could start by showing there's a large demand for it: can you post all current threads about mini PCs?Quote I would like to see a section on minicomputers, since forum users are holding nodes of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies on them. I'd say this fits better in the generic technical topics. I don't think the physical size of the computer matters much for running a node.@LoyceV we actually have tried this in our local board (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1348035.0) on creating other subsections for it (e.g. Marketplace, Trading) since 2016 but we never have any developments regarding this matter. And from what I know our own local mod, Dabs, has been gathering enough votes from our local board to show the demand for theymos but it never pushed through. Looks like creating a new section is a hard and long process to take so I think the temporary solution for the OP is creating his personal thread about "Mini PCs" in the Development and Technical Discussion board and talked about his concerns their. |