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Sorry BitcoinFX, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.
PM spam. (If you send a bulk PM and any recipient reports it, then it is spam.) 30 days

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Sorry bitcointalk.org, I strongly object to limitations being placed on ones free speech or in ones ability to freely start a dialogue with others.
No 'bulk' PM's were sent, only individual personal and private messages, including unique keys. Indefinite days

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Understand that when I joined this forum it didn't really have any rules. Now it clearly does. Reads the small print ...


The moral of the bitcointalk.org story (so far) is - do not help others or be overly generous - it will largely be a waste of your own time and 'money' ? I have many guises ...

Notes to our past, present and future selves;

1. Never send out free gifts that one cannot afford to give. They will likely be ungratefully received ?

2. Do not work on free software for free ?

3. Freedom is not free.

4. The future is a lie (well, mostly) ?

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You to (as I) are becoming increasingly disenfranchised and heavily misrepresented.

I now consider "moving on to other things" ...

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Meta is mostly pointless ?

Seriously, take a step back, perhaps ask yourselves what is an inner cabal of list makers, bpip, merit, trust and overzealous banning really achieving ? Are some of you choosing 'fascism' over individual rights and freedoms ?

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Whilst this "... Spaghetti Incident?" has highlighted to me a need to perhaps be more serious once again with my contributions here (if continuing at all), the above is not taken lightheartedly.

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I, BitcoinFX am the originator of my bitcointalk.org account. My account has never been compromised.

BitcoinFXmob is my new mobile account. Perhaps I could sign a message if you so desire ...

"Your papers, please" ...

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4630066.0

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Deset Punk "over and out" ? - SWIM
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_Punk

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NoFx - The Seperation of Church and Skate - Lyrics
- https://youtu.be/2xwr7gTXtUw *NSFW* *Explicit Lyrics*

Peace.

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Wow, UID=30 banned for 30 days  :P

If you are wrongly banned, then some MODs can see into this and can help. But, just because you were banned for a few days, you don't have to say shit about the forum. Just because you were here since 2010, doesn't make you any different than the others.

Yeah, if you are not interested with the changes, you are welcome to move on.

I read that line, and I first thought, how long could they have been here for really.

and than I look


from the motherfucking start lmaaao

1. I do not think I'm 'different' or special.

2. I do have a lot to do and to say, in fact probably even more than before ...

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Oh, this is over the Gapcoin thing?

Just know it wasn't me who reported you. I was grateful that an oldtimer like yourself wanted to share something with me about a coin they found interesting.

I could never download the whole blockchain, it was moving way too slow, but I do appreciate the offer for... what was it? 314 free Gapcoins?

In any case, I of course support your unbanning.

If the decision won't be reversed, just keep in mind that 30 days is a relatively short period compared to the timeframe of how long you'be been here.

I appreciate your insights into the Satoshi-era forum, your comments in the BSV Scam thread, and your unique brand of humor. Hope you'll remember to come back and aren't too offput by this minor ordeal.

What? Is he mass PM'ing those free GapCoins? I thought I was special  :P

Maybe you should create an Airdrop thread instead of sending PM's... just sayin.

Indeed, BitcoinFX (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=30) is one of the first registered members of Bitcointalk.
He even posted the first reply in the welcome thread which was started by satoshi: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5.msg28#msg28

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Thanks nutildah for your support!

TBH it's not easy being BitcoinFX, lots of good folks I had known have either disappeared, gone awol or died.

Still life moves on, as does the timechain.

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My "unique brand of humor." ...

- https://youtu.be/JOqhRx_11Rg?t=21 *Satire*

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P.S. still looking for special gaps in times continuum, if anyone might like to help? You don't even need an ASIC, yet.

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Indeed. Sadly, no more 'airdrops', I think I'll keep it.

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*Satire*
- https://youtu.be/fxEqIt-NUSY

*More Satire*
- https://youtu.be/54FWRKcSGCM *NSFW*

;D

Though I don't think you deserve a ban assuming you really didn't mass email people, if you deserve the ban or not hugely depends on how much messages you've sent probably? (I'm one of the people you've pmed by the way, thanks)

I guess 30 days ain't that bad, but that's definitely annoying if you post quite frequently.

I confirm BitcoinFX, didn't sent any risky PM or anything about scamming funds.

He was rather giving all of us a gift of pie of some Gapcoins (https://gapcoin.club/).

But still, as per the rule it is not a right thing to send mass PMs, many other trusted members like Hhampuz are also banned here for the same offence but he had to face a 7 days ban if i remember right.



This looks like a wise advice to avoid the same in future. ;)

IMHO, Whatever he had done isn't a ban offense.
This guy is a real asset of the forum. These assets must have some privileges than others.
Although he said he is not different than others, but the truth is he is different. Now, numerous shit-sig posters will advice him. They don't see the other things going around.

Bulk PMs aren't the only thing that's not allowed:
There are thousands of shitcoins, now imagine others would send PMs to users with "personal" codes and worthless giveaways too. The rules are there to prevent that.

I knew I wasn't special when I checked the value of the free coins: $0.0notmuch. I was surprised though, to see a veteran user break forum rules like that.

I think you got special treatment alreasy as an old user, because the PM was months ago. So maybe reports have been piling up, until a Mod thought it's enough.

You sent over 100 PMs with the same format: clear unsolicited bulk PMs. 4 people reported it, making it unwanted & unsolicited bulk PMs = spam. Most others would've been banned much longer.

Oh, yes indeed.

Perhaps I will self in force a 60 day or lifetime ban upon myself, just for the lulz.

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P.S. I've also been informed that I'm not supposed to 'talk' outside of this ban appeal topic (if that's what it is classified as) so aside from my other two posts made using this mobile account - I shall conform to the rules.

Cypherpunks you say, crypto-anarchism you say ...

My bad. However, ...

Surely by definition, all PM's are unsolicited.

The definition of 'bulk' is multiple recipients of the same message at once and on mass, which is not what I did either.

Still, your forum, your rules.

The value of Gapcoin is not my concern, it's a Math alt. coin (based on BTC) which does useful PoW (searching for prime gaps of actual Merit) - I'm much more interested in it for that reason alone.

Bitcoin once had no value and some might say we are all only still here because of early adopters such as myself. *Shrugs*

Your points are taken on board though. Like I said, I haven't really needed to pay much attention to the new forum 'rules' before now.

Also, I don't remember being required to read them, after you wrote them ...

But few guys you send message considered it as spam so they reported it which is the reason why you banned for 30 days.Sending bulk PMs are not problem until people don't think it is spam.

Another Rule you should follow.

I see you're posting outside of Meta. You shouldn't pm anyone or post outside meta if one of your accounts is banned.

Normally I wouldn't bother with this but if we are going to come here and shit pile on a guy - for really doing something he felt was in line with his/the original experience on this forum. Let's at least read the thread. If you had bothered to do that instead of investigating first, you might have noticed they had been made aware of this and would cease.

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This forum is a community like any other, it's a simple fact about any group or organisation that operates in the public. Times change and so does what can be seen as acceptable. There are rules BitcoinFX is aware of them now. It's a shitty way to learn, when you were acting without malice and inline with what you thought was acceptable. It is howerver the responsibility of anyone to be sure they are aware of the rules anywhere they frequent.

I did laugh at the part about not having been told to read the rules after they had been created. Makes me think of a terms of service agreement when they update it. Any service generally gets you at login time or something similar forcing you to acknowledge you have read the rules/guidelines. I never thought of it before as they were established long before I got here, but wouldn't it have made sense back then to have mass PM'd the forums user base.


I would argue all of us that did receive the PM were special in some way. There were 100, had BitcoinFX wanted to they could have sent out 100's of PM's or used fake accounts, we've seen it all here.

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Now I'm not advocating for no punishment, but how many times in the past has BitcoinFX earned a ban or broken the rules? Spamming and trolling generally gets what a 7-14 day ban for first time offenders and then escalates upward if I'm not mistaken. Couldn't that have been the result here, all PM's scrubbed if necessary (though I would leave that up to individuals to delete), a warning/smaller ban and then call it a day.

What was the subject of the PM? I would be interested to read the text of the Message if the sender or one of the receivers were to post it or send it to me.  

Edit to add: I received a copy of the message sent and I agree the message in question is very similar to an advertising message and is reasonably described as such. I hope the OP can learn from this and will resume participating in the forum after the ban is over. I don’t have data regarding ban lengths for PM spam but the ban length does seem somewhat harsh assuming this is a first time offense. I don’t think the OP would possibly personally profit from the PM, which is something that factors into this opinion.

I don't think it matters much that OP is unlikely to derive profit from his activity, otherwise why not allow people PM spam with their friends' gofundme links. And if he sent people PMs related to the Gapcoin altcoin, he stands to potentially make a lot of money if he's buying them cheap or already has some since it's almost a dead altcoin, but he must popularize it a bit, so why not do it by spamming bitcointalk users.

I am not arguing that what the OP did should be allowed, but rather to account for the specific situation to be a mitigating circumstance. Yes, if he owns a lot of the shitcoin, his PM may result in some people buying the coin and him profiting. I can’t ignore the possibility that the OP may not be actively trying to sell the shitcoin and thus not intending to profit from the PM he sent.

I found another example (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5113844.0) of someone sending unsolicited commercial PMs who was banned for only 7 days. This is compared to the 30 day ban for the OP. I would hope that both the person in my example and the OP will hear that commercial PMs are unacceptable when unsolicited and will refrain from doing so. [edit to add:]This is a different story if the OP is a repeat offender and if this was the case, an escalating punishment would be appropriate

Perhaps it's due to the differences in the amount of PMs sent. BitcoinFX has sent >100 PMs (probably within a short time frame?), Hhampuz claims to have sent no more than 4-5 per day or 50-60 per year.

Or it could be that another admin or a global mod issued the other temp ban.

Already covered that one ... don't people read anything any more ... ?


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One of the other on topic posts was deleted without good reason and the other one is here:
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5149062.msg52525839#msg52525839

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I was genuinely trying to help chipmixer who I noticed are seemingly under some kind of DDoS attack or are currently 'offline'. See:
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935098.msg52531441#msg52531441

My attention was drawn to this issue because of the number of bpip .org - BitcoinTalk Public Information Project / LoyceV ( loyce .club ) members currently running the chipmixer signature campaign !

Qualys SSL Server Test highlighted several related and exploitable security issues ...


I have screen shots of the tests and the other issues. Perhaps someone who cares will inform them ?

I'm a good egg! I actually do care about this stuff. I spend lots of my time writing custom firewalls and doing research into 'hacking' prevention and preventing DDoS 'attacks' via Tor and clearnet etc.,

[ANN] Bitcoin (BTC) on Tor addnodes Project
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5177001.0

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This is partly my grip ... I have many guises, but I'm almost done with trying to help anyone here.

1. Indeed. However, having created this new mobile account I don't recall being made aware of any of the forum rules or even being asked to read them !

2. Hopefully I'm much more amusing that that ... ?

- https://twitter.com/danny_knight/status/1139427428361629696  :D

3. No don't do that !!! Wouldn't that be considered 'unsolicited' , 'bulk' , 'SPAM' !!!  :o

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Thank you for your kind words.

Rules are pinned at the top of the board you're posting on right now. While it would make a lot of sense to also give a link to new users (and theymos did consider that a while ago), it still depends on users actually reading it. If you're posting an appeal and don't read the sticky, and don't read it even after being explicitly pointed to it (as evidenced by multi-posting in this thread) - it doesn't seem like not being asked to read the rules is the real issue here.

That's just a common practice, if you create an account somewhere, be it an online discussion forum, an email account, fb, whatever, and you start messaging a lot of strangers out of the blue trying to sell them something, even an idea, it won't take long before you find yourself rate limited or banned.

Clearly not trying to sell anyone anything.

I was imparting free information and knowledge which I though might be of relevance and interest to a select few individuals (by way of Private Message).

Other points accepted for the main part.

Ignorantia juris non excusat ("ignorance of the law excuses not") or ignorantia legis neminem excusat ("ignorance of law excuses no one") etc.,

I trust that their is no other vilification (assumed or otherwise) in respect of my account(s) ?

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Have a great day now!

Ta-ta!

BTW, to my knowledge, no "members" of BPIP wear a chipmixer signature.

Nonetheless, it sounds like you had a run in with Terry Tate... the bitcointalk linebacker.  :D

https://youtu.be/tooY9nLezL0
***BAM*** YOU CAN'T BE BRINGIN' THAT >100 PM SHIT UP IN HERE, BABY!
YOU SPAMMED IN BULK, NOW IT'S TIME TO SULK! WOOOOH  ;D

To my knowledge, the chipmixer server, despite attempts to notify them still has 'bad' SSL / security ...

- https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=chipmixer.com&hideResults=on

It appears that they tried to fix the issue and actually made it worse.

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Perhaps some numbers will prove to be more important than most here can ever realize.  ::)

Again, I did not send 'bulk' PM's only individual private messages.

In this regard, it is clearer to me now that certain aspects of this forum are not to be 'trusted', moving forward.

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Perhaps, 'I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing.'  :D

What’s so bad about it, if I may ask? I would ask you via PM or another thread, but you are not supposed to take part in other discussions outside this thread. :P

Indeed. Unsure if I'm still 'banned' though ...

"Don't tell people how to do things, tell them what to do and let them surprise you with their results." - George S. Patton

- https://blog.qualys.com/ssllabs/2018/11/19/grade-change-for-tls-1-0-and-tls-1-1-protocols

- https://weakdh.org/

Let's Encrypt Authority X3 allows for the subject's public key to be 3072 Bits or 4096 Bits ...

The European Union Agency for Network and Information Security (ENISA) recommends for RSA with length of n 3072 Bits for medium term.

I don't need to talk about the Tor implementation here. Nor do I currently really care.

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- https://youtu.be/izAqFoLtzKM

Welcome back!

Notes to self:

1. Restrict all PM communications to other platforms.

2. When silenced, become louder, much much louder ...

:-X

...Or to keep it simple, if you have people reporting your PMs, it means you're doing something wrong.

Good to see you again and hope you will not gonna do the same thing again. Showing respect to forum rules will definitely make your future forum journey much smoother than ever.

You got banned for sending massive amount of personal messages and it doesn't mean that forum PM option is not for use. Hopefully your story will encouraging other users to use the PM button properly rather than a option of bulk sms service.

Indeed. People are the real problem here, as in the mods. and staff who are continuing to delete my on topic posts.

Are Theymos and crew running some sort of covert operation here ?

Perhaps I'm someone people might look to help as oppose to try and hinder without good reason ?

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EDIT: Example ...

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=822498.msg53121825#msg53121825

EDIT 2: As the above was also deleted ...

Deleted Post
« Sent to: BitcoinFX on: Today at 07:34:35 PM »

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Deleted Post
« Sent to: BitcoinFX on: Today at 07:34:47 PM »

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According to theymos the above is supposedly in breach of rule 32. Posting multiple posts in a row (excluding bumps and reserved posts by the thread starter) is not allowed.

Perhaps ...


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However, if what effectively becomes one (massive) post in 24 hours per thread with individually quoted responses and line beaks (to answer unique users responses is what is required to make forum censorship moderation simpler and to avoid a changing narrative, then so be it.

Moreover, I still do not remember being asked to read or to re-read the forum rules, which also did of course not exist when I originally registered here.

All of this is such a waste of time. Congratulations on messing up the bitcointalk forum and restricting long-term supporters of the project.

Modlog shows a deleted post in this topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=822498.1960). Judging by the 2 (remaining) posts you made in 35 minutes, it's because of this rule:
If you edit the first post and add the second post there, you're good.

See above. This is not the case. I'm simply responding to questions and on topic posts.

Some sort of unjustified vilification going on here ?

Bitcointalk wants to prevent mathematical research projects which also concern crypto ?

Come on ! "...The Ends Don't Justify The Means!"

#Problem


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