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Title: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: TIDOVEE on September 23, 2019, 02:48:43 PM A friend of mine complained that his posts were deleted because is grammar was poorly constructed, I was like,it should not be and that it must be more to it.
If for any reason a post will be deleted for such, it must have been that the post is such meaningless that the point is not clear enough. Please am I right? Or what do you think? Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: Daniel91 on September 23, 2019, 02:52:58 PM A friend of mine complained that his posts were deleted because is grammar was poorly constructed, I was like,it should not be and that it must be more to it. If for any reason a post will be deleted for such, it must have been that the post is such meaningless that the point is not clear enough. Please am I right? Or what do you think? First, I suggest that you move this topic to meta. Second, it's question for mods and admins but my feeling is that they delete spam or meaningless posts and don't think they will delete post because of poor grammar only? Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: LoyceV on September 23, 2019, 02:55:48 PM A friend of mine complained that his posts were deleted because is grammar was poorly constructed Can you show some examples of those posts? Chances are you're talking about generic insubstantial posts, those should get deleted.As long as the post itself is on-topic and understandable, grammer shouldn't (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5186935.msg52539113#msg52539113) matter much: I do want to hear the thoughts of people who can't speak perfect English Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: seoincorporation on September 23, 2019, 03:07:24 PM A friend of mine complained that his posts were deleted because is grammar was poorly constructed, I was like,it should not be and that it must be more to it. If the message isn't clear then it's spam, i would like to recommend an addon for your friend, if he installs 'grammarly' (The web browser add-on) it will auto-correct each time he writes something wrong. Is a great tool for those ones who aren't good at all writing English. If for any reason a post will be deleted for such, it must have been that the post is such meaningless that the point is not clear enough. Please am I right? Or what do you think? I personally have posts deleted for a couple of typos, but those typos change the essence of my message, so, since it was nonsense mods take it as spam. Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on September 23, 2019, 03:14:16 PM If the message is understandable then I do not think grammar makes much impact. There are a lot of users around who has very poor grasp of English grammar and vocabulary but they are doing fine.
I would say there are something else with your friend's post. As LoyceV suggested, if you can bring some examples then may be some of the users can examine it. Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: BrewMaster on September 23, 2019, 03:21:28 PM usually whenever people get their posts deleted the first thing they think of was that the deletion was unjust instead of thinking about what they did wrong and trying not to repeat it.
tell your "friend" to show you the deleted posts, or simply go through his history. you, as someone who has been around since Feb 2017 should be able to tell if he is spamming or not! Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: mk4 on September 23, 2019, 03:44:54 PM Your "friend's" post getting deleted is a lot less likely due to his/her grammar, but most probably because of his/her posts being redundant or unconstructive(or scammy and or spammy). If his/her post was really deleted due to bad grammar, then his/her grammar should be really really bad and incomprehensible for it to be deleted. I'm guessing that that's not the case though, I've seen numerous posts in the past where the grammar was really bad(though comprehensible enough), and the mods/admins didn't delete it.
Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: agustina2 on September 23, 2019, 03:52:40 PM For me, poor grammar should not become the main reason why a post should be deleted. We're not all native English speakers here. As long as the thought is there and the message makes sense, it should be considered. But even so, we must still take effort to improve our grammar since it can cause misinterpretations.
You're right about that the post could have been meaningless that's why it has been removed or deleted. It may be spam, or your friend must have been just rewriting what everybody else already posted. Please advise your friend to take time to study the thread he or she intended to post into. Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: Potato Chips on September 23, 2019, 04:30:45 PM If it's really just a case of poor grammar to an extent of not getting their points across, there's no need to force themself to talk to a wall, there's always the local board(or section) to lean into. They can stick there until they improve enough.
Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: ILuckyGuyI on September 23, 2019, 05:58:58 PM In my opinion, a post shouldn't be deleted just from poor grammar. The most important things are the quality and clarity of posts. If you are spamming then your message deserves to be deleted.
Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: goinmerry on September 23, 2019, 06:19:28 PM A friend of mine complained that his posts were deleted because is grammar was poorly constructed, I was like,it should not be and that it must be more to it. If for any reason a post will be deleted for such, it must have been that the post is such meaningless that the point is not clear enough. Please am I right? Or what do you think? How did your friend conclude that his posts were deleted because of grammar? For sure, there's another reason unless some of his English posts were constructed so much poorly that even how far we concentrate and focus to read it several times, we can't understand what's the meaning of it. I'm assuming most of that deleted post were in his inbox (in case of deleted threads, there is no notifs). Since you already have knowledge about some of the reasons why posts got deleted, you can ask your friend to show you his inbox so that you will able to see those deleted post. You can now conclude from there if that post was a real candidate for deletion. Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: Harlot on September 23, 2019, 07:08:10 PM If the grammar mistake is beyond comprehensible by the majority of the members then I think it's really a good candidate to be reported to the mods. The point of posting here in the forum is you want your message to be seen by others and the good part of it is they need to understand what you are trying to say but if your grammar is very bad then nothing can be taken from your post, it will be considered a worthless post. @OP how does your "friend" even know that the reason why it got deleted was due to bad grammar? If a mod has deleted your post there is no reason why it got deleted so I just guess that your "friend" here is guessing its just due to grammar, his posts that are being deleted might just be irrelevant to the topic he is posting it.
Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on September 23, 2019, 07:11:22 PM First of all, I'm glad this thread got moved to Meta. I reported it as appropriate to either B&H or Meta, not Bitcoin Discussion as OP originally had it.
Now, as far as grammar is concerned: it's been my experience that members here who write English with very poor grammar are usually (but not always) shitposters. If the grammar is bad enough, their posts just don't make sense and I've found that they end up repeating the same shit over and over in a post, probably to pad its length. So if someone comes across one of these grammatically-challenged gems and reports it as a low-value post, the mods are likely to agree with the report. What you ought to know is that there are members here whose command of English isn't great, but they're very helpful to the community. I think whether posts are deleted or not depends on how constructive the post is and probably which section it's posted in. Different mods cover different sections. So the answer to the question in the title is basically it depends. Edit: Funny how OP was already on my ignore list for being a shitposter. I doubt he's talking about a friend here, and if he is it's probably a fellow sig spammer. Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: Coyster on September 23, 2019, 07:32:51 PM If your friends post is both syntactically and semantically faulty, then it was rightfully deleted, I think one of this can go, for example a post could be syntactically incorrect, in the sense that the OP doesn't arrange the post in a grammatically correct manner, but if it's meaning(semantics)can still be picked out, then it can be accepted.
But when a post breaks the rules of syntax by being ungrammatical as well as makes no meaning(semantics)then you should expect such posts to be deleted by the mods. Meaning is actually what is looked out for in a post, that was probably lacking in your friends post, and maybe that's why it was deleted. Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: eternalgloom on September 23, 2019, 07:42:41 PM As long as the post itself is on-topic and understandable, grammer should matter much: I do want to hear the thoughts of people who can't speak perfect English Shouldn't** Mods, delete this guy's post, such poor grammar :P (j/k of course) OP, the thing is that in 99% of the cases, posts with poor grammar are also insubstantial. Of course there isn't a real way to measure this, but it has just been my personal experience. If your friend wrote posts that consisted of just 1 or 2 sentences, while also containing poorly grammar, mods are justified in removing those. I suspect this was the case, but do add some examples if you have any. Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: actmyname on September 23, 2019, 07:52:13 PM if you're can understand despite grammar poor then syntax not matter because communication critical is most and ideas underlying matter more than sticking to confusing rules in english
Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: Upgrade00 on September 23, 2019, 08:02:03 PM A friend of mine complained that his posts were deleted because is grammar was poorly constructed There is no way for your friend to have come to that conclusion as reason for post deletion is not given on the message sent out. So, I guess.he was aware that his post had poor grammar and hence felt that was the reason, and he should consider working on it. But perfect grammar is not necessary for communication on the forum, and would not get you censored. He should also review his content quality. Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: The Cryptovator on September 23, 2019, 08:25:40 PM A major part of this community isn't native English speakers. So I don't see any point that moderators will delete for this reason. For example me, I am not native English speaker, and there is so many wrong grammars on my post. But I have not noticed that moderators delete my post due to grammar mistakes. If post is on topic and if there is something understandable then post shouldn't deleted. But if post is meaningless and someone report that them post would deleted by moderators. There should be valid point on the post based on topic , so that kind of post will not consider as a spam even grammar isn't 100% perfect.
Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: tranthidung on September 24, 2019, 03:27:49 AM If users are newbies, why not spend around a half of hour (or even less) to read this one:
Writing a welcome message (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5036308.0) (visit to read full content, I only quoted part of language). If you are fluent in any language other than English, then it is highly encouraged for you to post in your local board. These boards often have tight-knit communities which will be able to help you, and in some ways you might be at an advantage compared to English-only posters. Fortunately, in fact, most of time, theymos understands what users want to express.In the English sections, only English is allowed. It is not necessary to speak perfect English, though you should be understandable. Try your best. If you're unsure whether your English is good enough, ask in your local board or in the Beginners & Help section As jackg mentioned, English is a fluid and forgiving language. Even on a pretty global forum like this, I only rarely see English so bad that I can't understand it at all. As long as you actually have some ideas to express, you should be fine. You should keep in mind that poor English is more difficult to read, though, so if you know that your English is imperfect, it'd be courteous to keep your text to-the-point, and to do some extra checking to minimize errors as much as possible. (I do the same when writing imperfectly in my second languages.) A good recent example which comes to mind is zentdex's Where the merit pours (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3093768.0). He made several English errors, but he was entirely understandable, and the post was overall a very good contribution. The real problem is people posting nonsense just to post, with no real contribution to make or ideas to express. That's bad enough as-is, and poor English makes it even worse.
There are tools for you, please see: Basics:
(2) Spending most of your time to read and learn Only start composing your posts when you have something extremely constructive to discussions, topics. Reasons: - You are noobs, newbies (lack of knowledge, and experience), so what you think are constructive most likely unconstructive in reality. - When you actually have reasons to start composing your posts, after finishing it, please re-read again and again to check that your posts are good in grammar, vocabularies, and good enough to express most of your ideas. I wrote most of your ideas because sometimes it is difficult for non-native English speakers to write down and completely express ideas by words. It's a challenge for non-native English speakers, who don't have English as their mother tongue. < ... > (6) Spend your time to improve your English, especially Reading and Writing skills Reasons: - If you can not read posts or topic in English well, can not get ideas of posts' / topics' authors, it means that you have nothing to do in the forum. Remember that you have to get their ideas well enough to not misunderstand their core ideas. - Next, after reading good enough to catch authors' ideas, it is time for you to express your own ideas in case you have something to ask for help, something to discuss, or something meaningful to help others. This is the time you need to have good enough Writing skill. This is why I mentioned you should improve your English skills, step by step, from Reading to Writing. Of course, you can improve both skills simultaneously. The forum is the place almost solely for discussions via Reading and Writing. You can find available sources for English learning in the References at the end of this OP. Intermediate:
Advanced:
Using grammarly to check typos, grammar faults This tool is helpful for all, native or non-native English speakers. Because we all can make typos or grammar faults. https://www.grammarly.com/ (I use this one) http://www.whitesmoke.com/ https://www.gingersoftware.com/ https://apps.apple.com/us/app/correctme-english-grammar-help/id1193750579 You can read a review here: https://www.lifewire.com/best-spelling-and-grammar-check-apps-4176088 • If you struggle with English it's probably best to try stick to your Local boards. Your English does not need to be anywhere near perfect and you will not be penalised for this but if people generally can't understand what you're saying then it will likely be considered unsubstantial or spam. Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: Findingnemo on September 24, 2019, 05:42:25 AM If your post is understandable for the fellow forum members then your post won't be deleted.
But the main reason for the post getting deleted is the context of your post get reluctant which doesn't add nothing new to the discussion. So avoid posting on the threads with too many pages which could save you from post deletion. Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: Jet Cash on September 24, 2019, 06:49:20 AM Shouldn't** Mods, delete this guy's post, such poor grammar :P (j/k of course) The dropping of negatives seems to be an unfortunate Americanism. Phrases such as " I could care less", which are the opposite of the intended meaning, slow down reading as one has to interpret the phrase. Unfortunately, Grammarly tends to convert to US grammar and spelling, and this restricts the full use of the richness and subtlety of English. Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: DdmrDdmr on September 24, 2019, 07:15:11 AM <…> It’s pretty straight forward I figure: If the post is readable and makes sense without needing to re-read it multiple times and derive an interpretation, rather than understand its meaning then, I figure, it will not be deleted (at least not due to grammar). If on the other hand one needs to infer a possible interpretation out of a range of multiple variants due to grammar construction, then someone may report it as low quality and, if the mod/admin agrees, it may be deleted.In any case, it is way better to argue on the matter by example, so simply providing cases of your friend’s deleted posts (he can perhaps find then in his drafts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=drafts)), or simply indicating his profile name (that would enable us to try to find those deleted posts), would help to analyze concrete cases rather than generically scenarios where the degree of grammar accuracy/inaccuracy is important to tangibilize. Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: CherylltheBombshell on September 29, 2019, 01:43:43 AM For me its a huge factor for a quality post but as far as the post is connected with the original post , related and somehow understandable or constructive, it shouldn’t be deleted. Just make sure that we try our best to hit the right grammar to avoid wasting our time posting wrong grammar. Try to waste time learning good grammar is a plus.
Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: Insanerman on September 29, 2019, 06:45:24 AM I am not a native English Speaker but I do try my best to learn English language to make my own post understandable. The only thing that every members here to consider is that they must know when and where to reply. The chances are, if they are forcing themselves to make such post in a section where their knowledge is limited just for the bounty reward, they will create a scammy/spammy post even if they are English nazi :)
Maybe this can help other members to learn English language! This post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4544266.msg40950206#msg40950206) is from our local section and I think this can be a good reference for those people who are struggling. Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: teosanru on September 29, 2019, 07:06:01 AM A friend of mine complained that his posts were deleted because is grammar was poorly constructed, I was like,it should not be and that it must be more to it. I think the problem is when your english becomes completely meaningless is when mods try to delete that post for poor grammar. We all know majority of people on the forum are Non-English native so you can't expect a fluent and grammatically accurate english.If for any reason a post will be deleted for such, it must have been that the post is such meaningless that the point is not clear enough. Please am I right? Or what do you think? I think the problem would have been with the post itself. It would have been a post with zero importance to this forum. Or it might have been a topic about which there was already a mega thread going on otherwise just faulty English doesn't calls for post deletions. Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: Daniel91 on September 29, 2019, 02:10:56 PM I'm also not a native English speaker but I'm not afraid to write anywhere in this forum and don't think to much about grammar.
I think that even native English speakers, very often, are not good in English grammar ;D ;D I know that some members from my local sections don't feel comfortable to write outside of our local forum because they don't feel confident to write in English. Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: tbct_mt2 on September 29, 2019, 02:44:26 PM I think the problem is when your english becomes completely meaningless is when mods try to delete that post for poor grammar. We all know majority of people on the forum are Non-English native so you can't expect a fluent and grammatically accurate english. Trying to learn English, practice and double check before click on Post. Grammar is important, but it is not hard to learn and manage basic grammartical things to write understandable posts.English is a fluid and forgiving language. Even on a pretty global forum like this, I only rarely see English so bad that I can't understand it at all. As long as you actually have some ideas to express, you should be fine. You should keep in mind that poor English is more difficult to read, though, so if you know that your English is imperfect, it'd be courteous to keep your text to-the-point, and to do some extra checking to minimize errors as much as possible. (I do the same when writing imperfectly in my second languages.) Quote I think the problem would have been with the post itself. It would have been a post with zero importance to this forum. Or it might have been a topic about which there was already a mega thread going on otherwise just faulty English doesn't calls for post deletions. The forum born and actively run so far as a place for idea discussions, and everyone have their rights to deeply think of creative ideas. Then, if they have creative idea, they can bring it to the forum to discuss for help, for expand more, for business services, whatever. Idea is most important component of a good post.This forum exists to provide a platform for the free (but ordered) exchange of ideas. If you have an idea to express, then it is probably possible to do it here as long as you follow the rules. Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: leowonderful on September 29, 2019, 03:22:24 PM The formatting of a post can be more important than the grammar as well. I often see people quoting long strings of other quotes that makes a page of a thread and a post extremely long and difficult to read, though the solution to this is relatively simple. Just delete any of the other quotes that you're not directly responding to or aren't as important to what you're talking about. Makes things much easier to read on here, and it makes you look like a better poster too.
Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: Welsh on September 29, 2019, 03:31:52 PM The formatting of a post can be more important than the grammar as well. I often see people quoting long strings of other quotes that makes a page of a thread and a post extremely long and difficult to read, though the solution to this is relatively simple. Just delete any of the other quotes that you're not directly responding to or aren't as important to what you're talking about. Makes things much easier to read on here, and it makes you look like a better poster too. This is forum etiquette, and makes the forum cleaner. Staff members only tend to delete posts when they've quoted to an obscene level, and even then they're far more likely to edit the quotes out rather than outright deleting the reply. Moderators only edit replies when removing excessive usage of quotes (otherwise known as quote pyramids) or for merging double posts together. Onto the issue with grammar, unless its inconceivable garbage its likely not going to be removed. You could speak in "leet speak" if you wanted, and it would likely not be removed. Although, please don't because I'm pretty sure the majority of the forum would not appreciate that. Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: tbct_mt2 on September 29, 2019, 03:36:04 PM This is forum etiquette, and makes the forum cleaner. Staff members only tend to delete posts when they've quoted to an obscene level, and even then they're far more likely to edit the quotes out rather than outright deleting the reply. Moderators only edit replies when removing excessive usage of quotes (otherwise known as quote pyramids) or for merging double posts together. There are only two types of pyramid posters:Onto the issue with grammar, unless its inconceivable garbage its likely not going to be removed. You could speak in "leet speak" if you wanted, and it would likely not be removed. Although, please don't because I'm pretty sure the majority of the forum would not appreciate that. - Newbies: who don't read rules and guides and don't know how to quote and edit their quotes. I also experienced it, did not know how to edit my quote. Fortunately, I joined Meta and see decent posts from users (that I knew they are very good posters, months later). I see their posts are very neaty, with or without quotes. Then I clicked quote button to quote their posts and see how they do that. I learned from them and made my topic below. Honestly, I did not know how to use hr line to separate answers to different users if my posts are multi-replying to others' posts. - Old users: who know how to edit their quotes to avoid pyramid quotes, but they are too lazy to do it. They are mostly shitposters. By the way, I have my topic: [TIPS] to avoid pyramid quotes (for Newbies) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3749076.0) Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: sujonali1819 on September 29, 2019, 03:42:31 PM In my opinion, the grammar of a language is very important in order to convey that language beautifully. Also, posting with good quality and in the appropriate place also a good thing. I am not an English person and I have been in trouble for some time too. I may have occasionally made some grammar mistakes so some of my posts were deleted a few days ago. So, when you see that a lot of posts have been deleted once, I think that someone has reported your "low grammar with meaningless" posts or that the moderator checks all your posts that day.
Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: Welsh on September 29, 2019, 04:13:07 PM In my opinion, the grammar of a language is very important in order to convey that language beautifully. Also, posting with good quality and in the appropriate place also a good thing. I am not an English person and I have been in trouble for some time too. I may have occasionally made some grammar mistakes so some of my posts were deleted a few days ago. So, when you see that a lot of posts have been deleted once, I think that someone has reported your "low grammar with meaningless" posts or that the moderator checks all your posts that day. Hardly anyone reports a post just because of grammar, and even if they did, and the sole reason for the report was due to having a few misspellings then it would likely be marked as bad. Lets not confuse low quality posts with poor grammar. They're different, despite most low quality posts having poor grammar the majority of the time. Ideally, in the perfect world everyone would post in the appropriate sections of the forum when opening a new thread, however we definitely don't live in a perfect world, and I'll admit it can sometimes be difficult to decide where to put it when you haven't been a user of the forum for a number of years. Its not too much of an issue if you do post in the wrong section. Just don't make it a habit of purposely posting in the wrong section. We moderators like to sip on tea, and have breaks every once in a while. Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: finaleshot2016 on September 29, 2019, 07:45:50 PM In my opinion, the grammar of a language is very important in order to convey that language beautifully. Also, posting with good quality and in the appropriate place also a good thing. I am not an English person and I have been in trouble for some time too. I may have occasionally made some grammar mistakes so some of my posts were deleted a few days ago. So, when you see that a lot of posts have been deleted once, I think that someone has reported your "low grammar with meaningless" posts or that the moderator checks all your posts that day. I think it's considered as language barrier if your friend's post is on point and make sense but not well-made in English. If the idea are trash and useless, then it's right to delete those, nothing wrong with that. I know a lot of people who try their best to speak in international language so they can discuss with each other, it's a challenge we should encounter. Yes, the grammar is important but the idea speaks louder than it, lol. There's a lot of grammar nazi here but hoping you guys remember that this is an international forum. Even you poor at English, we still appreciate the idea or point of the statement and eventually, you'll grow by trying. Think on our side, what will we do if we lack knowledge of English grammar but still wanted to engage in any discussion? @OP, So it means you have to fix the way how your friend post here because it will be continuously get deleted. It's also recommended to show some samples of the post so people can judge if it's right or wrong, don't be afraid, they'll just give critics and it's way better to be corrected by a pro. Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: samputin on October 01, 2019, 05:29:53 AM In my opinion, the grammar of a language is very important in order to convey that language beautifully. Also, posting with good quality and in the appropriate place also a good thing. Grammar plays an important role in a post but I think the substance and relevance is what matters most. Mods know better and have deeper reason for deleting a post and not depending on grammar alone.I know, many of us here are from countries where English is not the native language so we cannot blame them for having poor grammar construction. But, that is not an excuse to keep oneself from improvement. Besides, there are already tools online which allows us to check our grammars. We should make use of that kind of technology and be always open to make ourselves better. Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: tbct_mt2 on October 03, 2019, 09:07:00 AM Grammar plays an important role in a post but I think the substance and relevance is what matters most. Mods know better and have deeper reason for deleting a post and not depending on grammar alone. Seriously English-broken posts deserve delete by moderators because no one have ability to understand such terrible ones.Quote I know, many of us here are from countries where English is not the native language so we cannot blame them for having poor grammar construction. But, that is not an excuse to keep oneself from improvement. Besides, there are already tools online which allows us to check our grammars. We should make use of that kind of technology and be always open to make ourselves better. There is no one blame posters for their English-broken posts. In contrast, posters themselves might not blame on their bad English grammar knowledge. They have to learn and improve their grammar first before thinking of making posts in English boards. Nowadays there are many sources to learn English, for free, from websites to Youtube channels or free courses on Coursera, Tedx, Mooc, and so on.I have my collection on some good books to learn English, in vocabularies and grammar. Collections for someone who would like to improve English skills (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3864751.0) Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: libert19 on October 04, 2019, 03:26:35 AM I get my couple posts deleted every week, my grammar is not perfect but it's clear enough to be understood by the reader.
Your friend's assumption that posts were deleted because of poor grammar — doesn't seem correct. Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: Daniel91 on October 05, 2019, 12:12:55 PM I get my couple posts deleted every week, my grammar is not perfect but it's clear enough to be understood by the reader. Your friend's assumption that posts were deleted because of poor grammar — doesn't seem correct. I'm also not native English speaker and sometimes my posts are deleted. I don't think admins delete my posts because of poor grammar but probably because of offtopic. I have feeling that admins and mods ussually tolerate even post with many grammar errors if meaning of the post is clear. Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: Lafu on October 05, 2019, 12:43:08 PM Im also not a native english speaker and for sure sometimes there are some gramma fails in the posts like i write isnt as normal it should isn't! But i try to write and explain the things how i think! Anyway as long that the message you want to say is understandable and nearly good written its not a reason to get posts deleted.
Most Post get deleted : -spam -off topic -Pump spam -maybe Personal attack And few other things But i never got an Post deleted because of gramma! Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: sandy-is-fine on October 05, 2019, 02:19:42 PM If posts don't get deleted for OBVIOUS BLATANT SCAMMING they certainly should not be deleted for grammar. Just sayin' ! :D
Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on October 05, 2019, 02:24:20 PM If posts don't get deleted for OBVIOUS BLATANT SCAMMING they certainly should not be deleted for grammar. Just sayin' ! :D Lol, you have a point there--but that's one of the idiosyncrasies of the priorities of the forum rules. I couldn't tell you why the forum doesn't ban scammers and prohibit scams, but that's the way it is. That said, spamming and shitposting are definite problems here, and I think that low-value posts made in extremely broken English should be deleted. The "low-value" part of that is key, because as I said before there are members whose native language isn't English, and yet they make valuable contributions. Whether a post is nuked or not shouldn't just depend on the quality of language but its overall value. And yeah, I've always thought that scammers should be banned, but that's a debate for another thread. Actually it isn't, since Theymos isn't going to budge on it. Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: Welsh on October 05, 2019, 02:26:02 PM If posts don't get deleted for OBVIOUS BLATANT SCAMMING they certainly should not be deleted for grammar. Just sayin' ! :D The modlog (https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php) definitely shows that there's a lot of activity when it comes to deleting spam, and other posts which go against the guidelines. Seriously English-broken posts deserve delete by moderators because no one have ability to understand such terrible ones. These types of posts would be deleted if it is absolutely comprehensible, but usually we give the benefit of the doubt. At the end of the day our guidelines are don't be worried if you're not a native speaker, and certainly don't limit yourself to your local section if you've only just started learning English, but please just make sure its understandable to native speakers. If not, and your post does get deleted its not the end of the world unless you continuously post incomprehensible replies. However, I can't recall anyone that has been so bad they've had their posts deleted regularly because of this reason. It's usually something else. Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: Daniel91 on October 06, 2019, 01:20:03 PM If posts don't get deleted for OBVIOUS BLATANT SCAMMING they certainly should not be deleted for grammar. Just sayin' ! :D The modlog (https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php) definitely shows that there's a lot of activity when it comes to deleting spam, and other posts which go against the guidelines. Seriously English-broken posts deserve delete by moderators because no one have ability to understand such terrible ones. These types of posts would be deleted if it is absolutely comprehensible, but usually we give the benefit of the doubt. At the end of the day our guidelines are don't be worried if you're not a native speaker, and certainly don't limit yourself to your local section if you've only just started learning English, but please just make sure its understandable to native speakers. If not, and your post does get deleted its not the end of the world unless you continuously post incomprehensible replies. However, I can't recall anyone that has been so bad they've had their posts deleted regularly because of this reason. It's usually something else. Thank you for explanation, it's good to know that you are not to strict and accept posts with poor grammar to. Any way, we are very big community here, from many countries in the world and should be tolerant as much as possible. I know that some users in my Croatian local community don't feel comfortable to write outside of our local section because they feel their English is not good enough. Because of them, your post is very important and can encourage them to write also in English. Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: btcdie on October 07, 2019, 07:44:30 AM A friend of mine complained that his posts were deleted because is grammar was poorly constructed, I was like,it should not be and that it must be more to it. If for any reason a post will be deleted for such, it must have been that the post is such meaningless that the point is not clear enough. Please am I right? Or what do you think? posts will not be deleted without cause, there must be a reason. as long as it does not deviate from the topic of conversation, constructive posts, not spammers, weighted writing / can be understood clearly, and follow the rules given then the post will not be deleted. if your obstacles are in grammar, you have to study deeper, until you really master them. many sites that provide grammar checks, ranging from free to paid, for example on the app.grammarly.com site, many services are offered to start from the application to the extension in your web browser. there is nothing to worry about as long as you follow the rules in this forum. ;) Title: Re: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? Post by: Pmalek on October 07, 2019, 09:36:00 AM Quote Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? If that was the case your thread would have been deleted/edited by now Grammar is not a reason why posts get deleted. 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