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The Maximum amount of money can be earned by signature campaign participants depends on 1. the amount they are paid for every post and 2. the maximum number of posts eligible for payment.

Campaign owners can pay for every post as much as they want. No one can force them. It's their own money. They can pay 1 bitcoin for every post or 1 Satoshi. Then users decide whether participate in the campaign or not. If they pay more than others, they can attract the best users like what ChipMixer is doing.
Campaign owners can increase the pay rate for attracting users to their campaign. There is no problem with this. But they shouldn't be allowed to consider the maximum posts as much as they want. Because it will lead to spam.
Yobit is now paying the users for maximum 20 posts per day. I don't think there are more than 10 users in the forum that can make 20 constructive posts per day without spamming. I know Yahoo (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=355846) is doing his best and bans every user that spams. But there are still many useless posts made by Cryptotalk signature campaign participants.
If a campaign wants to attract better users, they should increase the rates and if a campaign wants more posts contain their signature should hire more users. They shouldn't be allowed to increase the total number of posts eligible for the payment.
ChipMixer is now paying 0.00075 bitcoin for every post. They can decrease the rates to 0.00012 per post and increase the number of eligible posts. In this way they can advertise their websites more and spend less money. But they don't do this. Thanks to them.
What if Yobit change the maximum posts to 40 per day? I think there should be a rule regarding maximum number of eligible posts.

Just follow the forum rules, follow campaign rules, obey anyone, don't shit around, don't make a non-sense post, post constructively and all will be fine.

For me, no need to create a special rule because of a single campaign because anyone can spam with or without a signature. Help reports those spammers and let our precious moderators/admins/staffs to handle them.

There are many posts in the forum that are not spam and if you report them will be marked as bad. But it's better if they don't exist like what is going on in some spam mega threads. These kind of posts are only made to be paid.
We don't know if another campaign like yobit will appear tomorrow.

Only report those you think is spam according to your own criteria. Why reports those good post?


In every campaign, not just in Yobit, that was the purpose of the majority.

That's why:

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Right on the very first day, if that campaign doesn't comply with the forum rules nor encourage spam, it will be tagged by our DT's including those who will continue to advertise them after a warning period.

I get your point, but moderators are doing it as a critic as they can. Judging someone's post if it is a scam or not. Even a full member rank in this forum can judge someone's post if it is considered as scam or not. Higher-ups are not labelling them as a spammer if they don't spam here in the forum, of course, they have a basis as well or criteria maybe.

This, just like the "minimum wage" suggestion a while ago, is unenforceable without some seriously Orwellian policing and I don't think there is any interest among forum administration to get involved in that.

Likely it wouldn't even solve the problem. Campaigns that pay pennies for shitposts could still pay pennies for shitposts, just hire more shitposters / account farmers / etc.

Yes, This has already been discussed in this topic. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5187081) and I was one of the people who disagreed with forcing campaign owners to pay a minimum amount per post. Campaign mangers should have the right to pay as much as they want. But they didn't have the right to attract the users with increasing number of eligible posts.
Assume that there are two campaigns.

A: 0.0001 BTC/post, Maximum eligible posts: 100/week, Number of participants: 50
B: 0.0001 BTC/post, Maximum eligible posts: 50/week, Number of participants: 100

Which one is better? Both are paying equal money for every post.
In my opinion the second one is better. It's more helpful to the campaign owner as I expect more posts will be made with their signature. It's also better for the forum as no one will spam to reach 100 posts per week.

Yeah but if the campaign allows shitposts and pays for them, then many of those 100 spots will be taken up by account farmers like we're seeing a bunch of dormant accounts joining the Cryptotalk campaign. Once yahoo62278 cleans it up I would guess that most users will not make the maximum allowed quota of posts.

Given that limitations like this are not easily enforceable at the forum level I'd say it would be far better to focus on making (encouraging, incentivizing, enticing, coercing, threatening, whatever) the campaigns to not pay for spam and leaving it up to managers how they want to manage their internal structure - caps on users, posts, ranks, merits etc.

You guys don't get, just as the altcoin board is left to drown in spam and all we do is complain upon complain with very few users doing the needful to sanitised the board, same fate is what signature campaign has on the forum. Something has to be done, maybe the suggestion been aired by forum users aren't the best (but in our defense we're just trying to help). The adminstrators should give the sector some attention. Leaving it unsanitised isn't helping matters.

Concerning your suggestion, although I don't buy into the idea of restricting any individual to a maximum number of post he/she can make on the forum daily. Still, those abusing the privilege should be severally punish that's the kind of sanitation I'm referring to. Deleting of spam isn't making much of an impact instead it's just increasing the number of posts made by spammers to meet up post count incase previous spams are deleted.

I didn't say the users should be restricted to a maximum number of posts. The users should be able to make 100+ posts as long as they don't spam. But the number of posts that they are paid for should be restricted, so they are not encouraged to spam to reach the maximum earning.

This is not the reason why Chipmixer has some of the best posters on the forum--it's because DarkStar_ runs a very tight and mechanically sound ship.  He's extremely selective when looking at applicants and even goes for the most trusted members in addition to a history of quality posts.  If everyone ran their campaign like him, there wouldn't be any issues (and there probably wouldn't be enough members to fill all the slots, either).  Nothing against good managers like Yahoo62278 and Hhampuz and a handful of others, but there's a reason why the Chipmixer campaign is considered elite.

I'll agree with you there, but I don't think Theymos would implement any regulations like that.  If Yobit actually pulled some crap like that, however, he would probably nuke the campaign just like he did the last time.  With hundreds of members making 40 posts per day, you know the forum would turn into a snake's nest within hours.

I don't think so either--and as supporting evidence, Theymos has never put into effect any such rules for signature campaigns (that I'm aware of).  Him halting the Yobit campaign last time and temp-banning some of the shitposters in it was actually a surprise to me.

That "pennies" thing just isn't true, though.  Even if a campaign pays a few thousand sats per post, it adds up pretty quickly.  These things are extremely lucrative, especially if a participant is living in a poor country with high unemployment.  It's no wonder there are so many applicants as soon as a new campaign pops up.

Yes it is. Part of it is management but the fact is that the more you pay, the better people you can get.

Sorry, but no.
It is all about management. Yobit is one of the best paying campaigns but does it have the best membres! I don't think so.

ChipMixer pays 34% more with 36% of the post requirement, assuming max pay. For pay/post, there are quite a few campaigns that beat Yobit as well, not to mention that they aren't shady exchanges with various scam accusations.

You can remove all the spammers you want, but the best members can generally join whatever campaign they want and they'll pick the highest paying ones.

Still.. It is up to the manager to choose the best.

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I agree with you, if a campaign is paying high rates then all members (including the greatest posters) will apply.

Yobit campaign max is 20 but everyone is frowning on this. So I think anywhere between 14 - 16 should be max. If someone posts 2 posts per hour. Then 16 max for a 8 hour work shift of normal office time.
Seems fair to me. But the lower end could be around 7  or 8.. just my thinking..

Maximum is just a target, this number is about how the participant manages it. I am choosing to post if I find something to make a post, even just 7 posts for one day, it's no problem for me. I see people on the banned list (Yobit), trying to get a maximum post target, but they forget, if he wants to get paid, don't break the rules.

It is obviously that 20 posts as max paid posts per day is high cap, but if managers do their works (post quality checking) fine and don't tolerate bad posts, especially spam ones in their campaigns, there is nothing wrong for the forum.

Some days, I make more than 14-16 posts (that what you suggested) per day, but most of time, I make less than 14 posts per day. I believe others usually make less than 14 posts per day. 10 posts and below are average daily posts.

In some campaigns, there are some fixed requirements:
- Time (minutes) between two consecutive posts, that I don't agree with because good posters can see where they want to discuss, open different windows, think of ideas, and compose their posts, finally click to post. There is disadvantage for them to wait for 15 or 30 minutes to click to post. Or they will have to save their post draft and come back to that topic and make post later. In my opinion, this rule does not make sense.
- Max posts per day will be accepted to pay.

I think the main anger of many users is that, yobit was employing spammers to spam the forum all in the name of promoting their exchange and as a result of poor campaign management or lack of total campaign management, this spammers were been paid for their spam but all that is going to change hopeful due to the appointment of @Yahoo as a campaign manager.

If those 20 maximum daily post were very quality or somehow reasonable post that added valued to the discussion the users were contributing to then, there won't be a problem. There isn't a limit to how many post you can post per day but when you abuse that privileges by spamming worthlessly that's when there's a problem.

I think the point is, with a campaign like Chipmixer you get a lot of good participants from the beginning. On the other hand, Yobit won't attract the interest of those members simply because their pay per post rate is way too low. You can't expect people with more than 500 hundred merits to be happy with it if they can choose another campaign.


That means 50+ post a week. Damn.


They can still do something else to get the best of this campaign, for example, using their alts accounts. This is hard to prevent because there is no 'approval requirement' before a user can earn from Yobit, and we can't expect yahoo to catch him an hour later. A better scenario would be to increase the pay per post rate, require approval before they can earn, and need at least ten earned merits  to join the campaign. That would kick most low-quality posters that suddenly show up after ten months of hibernating.

The main purpose of the signature campaign is to promote and show everyone the website that is being promoted, Cryptotalk chose yobit panel as their payment method. Yobit maximum has a 20 maximum post day, and it will automatic pay you and wouldnt check the post quality of it. It's good that Cryptotalk hired a manager which is yahoo to balance the situation, Most of us know that yahoo is a good manager that strictly implies forum rules. Not like yobit signature campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1036113.0) from before who don't have a manager. Most of the member from that signature campaign keep spamming just to reach the quota.

+ There were a number of participants who keep disregarding the forum rules were banned by yahoo from the campaign and his present and future campaigns. Refer to this  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188200.0).


The goal of Cryptotalk to yell and to publicize their name where a success plus the hype it gets from the people that keep arguing about the payment method they picked.

Low merit requirement also will make another problem of merit abusing,suddenly accounts wakeup from inactivity and will get 10 merit for a shit post. :D Anyway merit requirement could stop most of them but yobit is not going to do that I guess.

To the topic,there is no such rule to post in bitcointalk so campaigns can pas as much as post they want too but spam is against the forum rule so if those people found spamming there will be a ban on their signature like happened to yobit.

Assume that each of ChipMixer and Yobit hire 50 users and all of the users reach the maximum posts.
The maximum money ChipMixer pay to participants per week is 50*0.00075*50= 1.875 BTC.
The maximum money Yobit pay to participants per week is 50*0.00016*140= 1.12 BTC   (0.00016 is the average amount they per every post)
Which campaign will spend more money?
Which signature you will see more in the forum?
Yobit is able to be seen more with spending less money. That's why I think they shouldn't be allowed to have such a high maximum posts.
In this case if they want number of their posts to be more than ChipMixer's posts, they have to spend more money.

No, there shouldn't.
As suchmoon said and I mentionedhere (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5187081.msg52551548#msg52551548) (with a lot of sarcasm) enforcing this kind of rules will take us on a very dangerous road.

Once you open the box of regulations you will start pulling ot more and more rules till we end with a fully regulated market for sigs with min and max posts, min and max payouts, min and max participants, min and max..whatever is left. If yobit wants to pay for 20 posts, their choice, if they want to pay for off-topic again is their choice, if they want to pay more than CM or 1/10 is again their own choice, bad or good.

Are the yobit people spamming? Is the fault of the user, not of the campaign, if you pay them 10 cents per posts spammers will join the campaign, limit the number of maximum posts they will simply create or buy alt accounts and the results will be the same.

@hosseinimr93
If Yobit and ChipMixer had the same posting requirements and paid the same amount per post and per participant do you think that the members promoting ChipMixer would switch sides? Even if Yobit paid more do you think those users would advertise a site like Yobit?

Like someone said there is a reason the campaign is considered an 'Elite' campaign be it because of DarkStar or the payment rates or the continuance of the services they offer or a combination of all three.
Yobit will never have that, they can pay whatever they like but they can't attract the best posters even with more money.

There are no rules as to the number of posts that you can make per day as long as no rules are broken. I don't think that will change.

I sincerely believe that I agree with Pmalek, I do not think it will change because the rules are not being infringed. However, another point to consider is that there really are people who have found even a better lifestyle thanks to Bitcointalk and they spend many hours a day to find the posts with which they identify most. I mean, there are people who are earning more than $ 500 simply for posting that "spam" and that is a minimum wage better than many Latin American countries.

I don't think a truly quality poster would want to join a campaign which does not have a high degree of intolerance to spam. They would rather want to join a campaign that hand picks it's participants based on certain criteria and amongst strong competition from equally good posters.

Of course one could join the yobit campaign and only make as much post as they can. That is one of the positives of the campaign; it does not force members to post a certain amount in a given time.

As I've said before, it's not what you're paid or how many posts you're required/allowed to do, but the quality of the managers and the users they allow on their campaigns. 20 posts a day isn't too bad  and at least it's not a required minimum so nobody is forced to do that but the issue is is when people abuse it and spam 20 low quality posts as fast as they can but yahoo should be getting rid of those ones now.  I really doubt theymos is going to start getting involved with how many posts a campaign can or can't pay for and what amount they pay people to do but and enforcing that would be tricky and time-consuming, but we can punish those who don't meet some minimum standards by signature blacklists etc and that's something I think we should be doing to campaigns that clearly cross the line like Yobit have in the past. As long as campaigns have reputable managers or just ones that do their job then there would be little issue with signature campaigns so that's something we need to encourage.

You're mentioning the campaigns that pay an actual coin with value. As much as I dislike the current Yobit spam: at least it has a cost to them!
The bounty campaigns that pay in worthless made-up Tokens cause much more spam, but it's mainly restricted to the (totally lost) Altcoin boards.
If theymos doesn't want to stop those, I don't think he'll implement stricter rules for Bitcoin-paying campaigns either. But if they push their luck, the entire campaign will get banned, and I'm pretty sure that's the only reason for Yobit to hire a campaign manager this time.

Think of it this way: the Yobit campaign is a good chance to get some high ranking accounts banned. And thanks to the Merit system, they can never farm another account with a high rank.

I do hate it though: the number of posts in the past week (http://loyce.club/active/7d.html) is up by 5000 since the start of the Yobit campaign, and I notice there are more BS-posts in topics that didn't have them before.

In the short time I was managing a signature campaign last year, my best posters always moved to ChipMixer the moment they had the chance. Just like in any other job, the right management can only attract the best people if they pay the best rates.

It's so dumb though: so you're living in a poor country and you get an opportunity to earn $30+ per day just to post on a forum, and the first thing you do is spam 20 posts in a row to get your $30 one day, and get banned the next day? Any sane person would take that opportunity and work very hard to produce the best possible posts, and get maybe $10 on a day, but it'll add up to $300 per month. And that's still more than the average income in many countries.

ChipMixer is also a very long running campaign. Even if another campaign pays more, you wouldn't get back in with ChipMixer when that one ends.

You're being modest, DarkStar_.  Chipmixer attracts TONS of shitposters--I've seen them apply!  The reason it actually gets the best posters is because of you, my man.  Don't sell yourself short and take the compliment.  Not trying to kiss your ass here; I would have said exactly the same thing even if I wasn't part of the campaign.

I might not even have known about the Chipmixer campaign were it not for a PM I got from a member whose name I can't remember right now, suggesting I apply.  I probably would have stayed in one of Yahoo62278's campaigns were it not for that.  You may not believe this, but it wasn't the money that made me apply.  Part of it was that it was known as a long-running campaign and the ones I'd been in previously had been really short.  Plus it accepts only the best, so I wanted to try my luck; my first application was denied, so I tried to do better and finally got in.  Proud to be part of it now.

I think the point being made was that while ChipMixer enrolls the best posters because DarkStar_ is diligent in his selection process, it attracts the best posters because of the pay rates. If DarkStar_ was to run another campaign which was paying 0.002 BTC per week (for example), I doubt there would be many non-selected previous ChipMixer applicants applying for this campaign solely because it is DarkStar_ who manages it.

I think this is an important point. I wouldn't want to join the YoBit campaign because of their shady history, but I also wouldn't want to join it because it it associates with me with spammers. It's only been active for a few days, and I am already starting to subconsciously gloss over/skip entirely any posts I see with their signature, because every one I read is either meaningless trash or just a rehash of a post that has already been made earlier in the thread. I haven't seen a single original thought with the Cryptotalk signature underneath it. I wouldn't want to apply that signature to my own account, regardless of pay, as I know people would start ignoring my posts too.

They should be at least Senior Member. How can they create a new account and join Yobit Signature campaign?

No, Yobit can never have the good reputation ChipMixer and DarkStar_ have. I agree with you.

There are no rules and this is what encourages some users to make 20 posts per day. (There is no problem if someone makes 100+ good posts)

I was not mentioning to those bounties. Most of them require their participants to post only 10-15 posts per week. The main problem with almost all of them is a lack of good management. Almost all of those managers accept every application. But generally you are right about them. Altcoins bounties are more harmful to the forum.

You are right about DarkStar_. ChipMixer campaign is manged very well by him. He spent a long time only for selecting four new users two weeks ago. He is doing his job very well.
But what if a company more reputable than ChipMixer runs a campaign and pay 0.001 for every post? Don't you think in long term some of the the current users of ChipMixer will move to that new campaign?

Why not? If yahoo runs it as tight as Darkstar does then it can quickly gain reputation as a reputable campaign. The only difference is the pay which is I think what makes Chimpixer such a sought after and in-demand campaign.


True, but with that being said, Yobit is probably making shitloads from fees along with all the shitcoins they let list there so it's probably not that much expense to them. Hopefully maybe the shitposters will emigrate over to their new board and leave this one forever. I just hope yahoo can get on top of things because it would actually be nice to see a campaign that people can actually get on easily as there's not that many that come here these days and when they do the slots get filled up pretty fast. As long as yahoo can sort it out and people quickly realise that they can't get away with spamming 20 one liners as fast as they can there shouldn't be any problems. The issue has always been lack of or no management at all and hopefully we won't have that problem now.

It would again depend on who is managing the campaign and for how long it has been running. ChipMixer has been around for many years. I think over 2 years. Those who have been part of it for a long time might not want to gamble and switch campaigns because you can't know for sure how long that other campaign will last. ChipMixer is a sure thing for them, switching to something new might or might not work out in the long run.   

Currently no campaign is more reputable than chipmixer and if such campaign is to come into existence on the forum, it'll take it years to build it's reputation just as chipmixer has done. I believe your question would had been better if you had asked it in this manner,  "If a new long term campaign was to launch with paying it's participants more BTC per post and probably has already escrow the funds for campaign and also required lesser post count for participants to earn as much or even more than what chipmixer is paying, will current participants move to the new campaign? ".

The answer to that question would be probably yes although there'll be some individuals would will remind loyal to chipmixer since they're already used to the campaign. And beside there would be nothing wrong in moving as the new campaign would be more comfortable to some since probably there are some participants just barely bhanging on in the campaign. Don't also forget they're all humans 😁.

I agree with you on this, I'm uncertain if what I'm about to say is a fact or is not true at all but people do their job at their full potential when they know they are going to be paid big and a good salary mostly plays the motivation part on everybody. Chipmixer pays big not only to attract good quality posters but also to make others hesitate for a moment and think if they are fitted in this campaign that have finesse for them to realize what it is lacking on them why they don't have a campaign like chipmixer.

You should find yourself Job, a real job.



Do you think earning is so easy that you create a comment and you will be paid ?
You need to pass the selection examination !!



Focus on the work and forget about the money. Money will come automatically if your work is good.



Yes, tie it with your dreams.

That's true, and it's the problem with newly launched campaigns, they could or may not last long, it could be two weeks or two hundred weeks, it depends on how beneficial the ads the company runs on the forum is for them. So if a user is doing quite well on a campaign that pays well, there is no need switching to another.
You can try reading 'how to get rich' motivational books rather than asking us. :D

As campaign, yes. But it won't clean their reputation as service. Yobit have shady history and there are not much signs that they have intentions to change. While Chipmixer  have not only best sig campaign, but also their reputation as service is also great, what is another difference from Yobit.