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Alright so Bakkt launched this thing and then the price of Bitcoin sank faster than whale shit.   What happened?

How do I sign up and get an account at Bakkt?  Did Bakkt get rekkt?  Or did Bakkt do the rekkting?

It flopped, signaling that retail investors might not be too interested in Bitcoin after all, contrary to past reports. Binance and JPMorgan (https://bitcoinist.com/bakkt-blamed-for-septembers-bearish-performance/) both think that the flop was a contributing factor towards the price drop.

Both Bakkt and the market got rekkt, and I doubt either party wanted this outcome.

Sadly, the Bakkt launch became the biggest contributing factor to the recent and still continuing dip of Bitcoin. Or to be specific, it is the fact that Bakkt failed to get the expected volume of transactions which many assumed can be an avalanche but turned to be a dud. It tanked. It bombed. And then it pushed Bitcoin downward.

I read in this article, that there seems to be a similarity with what happened to the IPO launch of Facebook back in 2012 where we saw that days after the said event the value nose-dived significantly losing as much as 50% of its value but right now things are going right.

In other words, there can still be a hope for Bakkt and maybe what we are seeing now are just birth pains and that they can eventually avoid the fate of the Bitcoin futures. Otherwise, this can mean that the market is not really that ready for a platform like Bakkt...maybe we can say right platform, right product but introduced at the wrong section of history.

It didn't really bring out the benefits it would have when it released. Many were disappointed with the results when Bakkt launched since they expected a price pump on bitcoin. It went the other way. A lot of people were hyped about the Bakkt launch and when the launch started, the same amount of people were disappointed. Bakkt got rekt, and not really their fault but the market also got rekt. Big time.

They launched at the wrong time.

Most institutional investors are getting increasingly jittery about the world economy and are sitting in cash. They don't want to take any risks at all.

Bitcoin and crypto is inherently risky, so the time to launch these types of things is during a bull market when people are feeling optimistic and eager to try new things and take some risks.

Smart investor obviously knows how to avoid getting busted by the market. It's clear that because the previous anticipation of Bakkt are so high, the market are likely going to move in another direction. It's quite understandable because lots of people would've buy Bitcoin before the announcement instead of buying it after that.

Let's see where we will go with this Bakkt thing. I still believe even without Bakkt we will get a new ATH.

It did not flop. People had unrealistic expectations and it was over hyped by the media. If you knew how institutional investors trade, then you would understand why it had a slow start.

Remember, previous Bitcoin Futures offerings was cash settled and investors love cash settled future contracts, so they did extremely well when they were launched.

Bakkt offered asset settled Futures and it is not something that institutional investors normally like to invest in. To make things more complicated, Bitcoin is not something physical and it is so complex that nobody understands it. Would you invest Billions into something that you do not understand?

Give it time, it will grow slowly at first.  ;D

Bakkt is only for institution .There is slowly growing volume on Bakkt. In a case of Bakkt i am much more interested in his merchant program than his futures.Futures are yet another futures at least it is not paper futures but service for institution interested in earning bitcoin.But his merchant program can serve bitcoin adoption
That is what we really need

Most importantly, big retail investors like hedge funds and others that might have been very interested in bitcoin futures dont seem to be rushing to buy them.  After seeing the first few days of Bakkt's performance I was quite shocked, because I figured this was exactly what they wanted.  My assumption had been that Bakkt would not have launched if the demand for the service wasn't there. 

On the other hand, it might be far too early to judge its success or failure.  Could anyone have called bitcoin a failure after the first week?

Neither the market nor Bakkt is wrecked yet.  Bitcoin dipped but could have fallen much further than it did, and Bakkt volume could still pick up. 

That's what I would say as well, wait and see.  I also agree with your second statement, though I do wonder if bitcoin would have sunk to $8000 if it weren't for Bakkt.  That's a question that I dont think anyone can answer.

Bakkt has really rekt since its launch, no one expected its fading when one day the transaction volume was only 70 bitcoins and that was an embarrassing number.
Bakkt's failure seems to have had a negative impact on the crypto market and led to a panic sell on the night of 24.

Bakkt really is the reason behind the sudden downfall of bitcoin. Many transactions are wasted and didn't reached the expected volume of transactions in the market. I think it is also because of unpreparedness of the market. Many were upset because of its failure. Just don't let our anger be the hindrance in helping Bakkt to work successfully. Always look on the bright side.

Maybe the Bakkt needed some time to develop itself and grow from time to time. We just need to be patient because someday Bakkt can become more useful for us and help to gain more profits.

It been so long since waited to release, many got too excited some makes assumptions, FUDS and fake news integrated that makes it unsuccessful. The idea should benefit the market but it goes in different way since there are still task then needed to implement or some points that are missed. Many doubt it due to performance. But that's how the market is, we must still try to survive even the market is not in our side. Now, Bakkt need more time and as the progress goes and if will be handled carefully by a responsible team then it may soon really benefit the market soon as what we wanted t purpose to be.

My memory cannot count the threads on this topic anymore. It seems there is a new Bakkt thread made everyday now.

I would like to repeat that Bakkt is already talked about since more than a year ago and people were really excited about its launching. And yet there were countless of next times just as there were countless of Bakkt threads today. And that killed all the excitement and anticipation. When Bakkt was finally launched, there is very little buying and hard selling. That has kicked Bitcoin's ass rather badly.

I think right away people started posting using the two terms "Bakkt" and "Rekkt" and it was downhill from there.  People in this community take the first thing they read in a topic, and just run with it.

They will not read full topics before commenting.

Bakkt was a big joke from the onset. With continuous postponement and rescheduling of launch, it gradually drive away the interest of the people such that when it finally launched, nobody gave two thoughts about it. The market as it is now needs something stronger than Bakkt launch to get the prices back up just like CME futures in 2017 did.

Bakkt didn't flop, the people did who thought it would generate tons of volume right off the bat.

Bakkt is a retail driven platform, launched during a time where the market took a massive dive. Retailers have a tendency to only enter an asset when its price has been trending up for a while, which isn't the case with Bitcoin. I expect Bakkt's volumes to pick up when the retailer's confidence in the price has been restored, so give it some time.

Somewhat of a positive point; Vaneck's trust has seen an inflow of 60BTC a couple of days ago (https://www.vaneck.com/institutional/bitcoin-144a/overview).

I lost interest in Bakkt when they kept postponing the launch over and over. You can do it once or twice but they were trying to start a big hype around the launch and every time this hype ended in a failure so we could expect the investors would not stand with bags of money at the door.

I wouldn't call it a total failure though. I read that all platforms like similar to Bakkt start slow and then gain speed after a year or two. Bakkt will start contributing once we enter bull market.

Bakkt is a joke. I gave them the benefit of the doubt when they launched, but if you only trade 30-50BTC in 24 hours, you're a failure, especially if this volume is largely generated by Bakkt's market makers to get things going.

Another big failure is that they advertised their daily futures before they launched, where in the last couple of days, not a single daily contract has been bought. Only their monthly futures are generating some low amount of volume.

People are rightfully disappointed in Bakkt. They hyped themselves up a lot for nearly a year and delivered nothing. Maybe that if they hadn't been hyping up their platform so much people wouldn't be as disappointed....

Looks like BAKKT is reckt. No to the moon, only fleet ~7900-8400 and nothing. Wall Street as always got all us :D

I don't believe this, if the trade volume on bakkt was much, I could say that it was actually as a result of bakkt and being that they were just released, bakkt only traded 7 btc when they started and that was when the market plunged, how is 7 btc supposed to actually have any positive or any negative effect on the price of bitcoin, to me, I think it was just a coincidence, something else must have happened that probably made bakkt look devilish to people.

We might have some whales that has actually been waiting for the right time to exit the market, and probably hid under the bakkt release. It got to a point when I could never link the release of bakkt to the current condition of bitcoin that I started thinking it could be a setup for those who wishes to crash bitcoin, but thank God that the value is going up again now.

The first block trade has been executed:

https://decrypt.co/9976/first-block-trade-bakkt-bitcoin-futures-executed


So I guess it's baby steps. We will have to see if more follow.

i have 2 reason for it.
1. a common reason, people have no interest since just small amount traded on bakkt, also maybe people just waiting for the exact time. and that make price going deep, soo deep.
2. a unique reason, I try to equalize the time when the trade is opened and bad events in the hastrate btc. and as a result, it happened almost simultaneously. so i just have argument,bakkt market is not the main reason for the falling price of btc.

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about bakkt itself, well, although no big enthusiasm as many people expected, but somehow i just think opened on the end of the year, is a quite good step. wait and see may is a primary option for the professional broker.
so the point, even now bakkt showing a slow start,it's doesn't mean bitcoin futures conract completely failed.
Even expert analysts say it's some kind of the normal things.

bakkt was so hyped up from the beginning , and if it release when it was suppose to back in the bull market it could have been a huge boost of the prices, but instead we got postpone after postpone and the hype surround bakkt died alot from all the wait time for it to release.

BAKT was launched when investors didn't care much anymore and were too disappointed because they waited too long while the market conditions also didn't support because the price of bitcoin fell so there was no support at all, it's different if the price of bitcoin goes up and there is good news bakt launched then it can make a big impact.

because it not easy , and i guess u know that.
regulation , rules , like a new product launches.
know the risks, mitigation to test and re-test, and in the case of crypto, a new asset class to which these resources are being applied. so may it take more time for the launch.

We can't really say "bakkt was the reason for the fall" exactly, was it the cause? yes but we can't call it like that. When you say "bakkt caused the drop" it sounds like bakkt sold thousands of bitcoins to drop the price directly, like they wanted it to go down and manipulated the market for it.

We all know that is not the case, they just started their thing and they didn't get any attention and there were a lot of people who thought there would be a high volume and people sold their cryptos when they saw no volume there. It means bakkt was the cause but the drop could be tied to them indirectly not directly, they didn't drop the price, they just made other people think about selling when there was no volume. So we can say "bakkt was the cause of sellers dropping the price" or something with better wording.

We've got some information now about how many contracts are being traded on Bakkt:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGcGqjUWoAUbYq9.jpg:large

Image comes from the Bakkt twitter feed:

https://twitter.com/BakktBot

According to this tweet, they've traded 125 contracts today, up from just 25 yesterday:

https://twitter.com/BakktBot/status/1181993256227393536

But overall, it's not looking that great.

Correlation doesn't equal causation.

I don't think that Bakkt's launch had anything to do with the recent downturn in crypto markets. I just don't see how a futures market launching, which has pretty much less interest now than probably even Bitmex or Deribit would have such a vastly negative effect on prices.

Like others say, I echo their sentiment in regards to Bakkt probably regretting the hell out of their decision to launch now. Their projections probably showed that BTC will continue to be in an uptrend, but they just coincidentally got it damn wrong.

I think you need to read first even the fundamentals of Bakkt out of here. The responses here will not be enough for you to become familiar with it. Well, Bakkt is basically a Bitcoin-futures trading. It is celebrated because it is owned by ICE which is the same owner of the largest stock exchange in the world, New York Stock Exchange (NYSE). But during the launch date itself, the performance was less than stellar. The volume was low. And aside from that, the price of Bitcoin was also in red. This might be coincidental but it also sent the fact that Bakkt's hype was all air. It was not able to bring Bitcoin's price even a little higher.

Anyone that is thinking bakkt was the cause of the bitcoin fall is not really a deep thinker and they are not opening their inner mind to really see that all these was just a conspiracy and the conspiracy was to actually make the bakkt take glory for the downfall of bitcoin.

There are some strong indications that the government has tried pulling down bitcoin in the past, and I am sure they have not given up, they might be acting like they are in support right now, but secretly thinking and working on how the system can be destroyed since they don’t want a situation where people would have their own financial freedom, but it is already too late and no matter how strong the country may be, it would be impossible for them to shut the system down.

There is no question that the initial business volume that Bakkt managed to snatch is something not so spectacular, very anemic and truly lackluster, if you may. However, not all big and successful platforms started with a BIG BANG and many of them showed up with a very humble face which later on the market sympathized and them BOOM. Here is a good update on Bakkt which can be a good sign of development:


What this can mean is that there is still a BIG HOPE that eventually Bakkt can be able to level up to its huge expectations and full potential, maybe we should just give it some time and institutional money would stat to be flowing in gradually and steadily. What do you think?

Institutional investors have huge capital at their disposal. They will not rush things and invest in a speculative market with huge risks.
Most likely they will wait or provoke a drop in bitcoin as low as possible, and only after that they will invest in bitcoin. Now the market is not calm, such investments can be very risky.

I think that the Bakkt trading platform will show itself in a good light, and we will see large volumes of trading on it. Just the time of its opening coincided with the sharp fall hash rate of the Bitcoin network, with which some attribute the ensuing collapse of the price. In any case, the launch of Bitcoin futures trading from Bakkt is a long-awaited event and many people have heard about this platform, so if the market will acquire a bullish trend we can see a great interest of traders in this new trading instrument.

I believe bakkt-launch will get better with time, people are not giving bakkt enough time to develop, bitmex didn't become who they are overnight neither, they became who they are overtime, which is why I think we should give bakkt a bit more time.

Sure, they are not doing as well as expected, they are not doing well at all and that is something we should be worried about and I understand that but it has been just two weeks or so since they started, after 6-7 months if they are still not pulling their weight then I would totally understand calling it a failed attempt but until then I think we should not rush into calling it a fail right now.

Let's wait and see, maybe they will do marketing better and maybe they will get more attention via mainstream, maybe they will get support from other big places, all those could make them super high on volume one day.

There is no immediate impact due to the news being priced in. Maybe after one year it will start to flow through and translate into increased demand. It should be considered the Bakkt buying OTC to cover demand won't affect the price short term but it will in the long term. So as they ramp up customer activity initially there will not be much impact on price but that constant demand in the OTC market will cause higher prices into 2020 and beyond. Honestly I think institutional demand under the surface and the halving as we enter 2020 is going to trigger the biggest rally bitcoin has ever seen.

I don't think we'll ever get to witness bigger rallies or bull runs than what we had in the past already per cycle. Nowadays there is too much economical mass to move at once in order to replicate the 2013 or 2017 bull run.

If we look at the all time chart and work with 1 year candles, it becomes clear that we haven't ever really seen much of a correction. It shows that we have been in a crazy ass bull market for a decade. I expect that chart to stay as pretty as it is today until we peak out at a price in the higher few hundred thousand area.

A very realistic scenario is that we won't see a bull run in the runup to the block halving, but a slow uptrend that will push the price back over the $10,000 level. Too many people are focused on a bull run before the block halving, which tickles my contrarian senses as an indication that it won't happen.