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Yet another official (and another final one) confirmation of preparation to TON release was made 8 October 2019 by the Durovs’ team during publishing the main terms of Gram wallet use. It is hardly a secret that Wechat, the Chinese analogue of Telegram, has been using quite capable ecosystem of payment processing along with a set of other posh options for ages which, in fact, are only planned to be added to the updated Telegram.   

On the other hand, the Durovs have almost reached their line in the sand as all they need to is to launch TON officially or at least to launch the wallet beta test mode which should happen before October, 31. The pioneer investors have already  received the long-awaited keys from the Telegram team to gain their cryptocurrency. However, it is still unclear how an ordinary user will be able to gain their first Grams. At the initial stage Grams are likely to be gained by exchange to bitcoin although Visa\Mastercard support seems to be be rather useful.

 

The Developer, a famous blockchain developer and a user of the largest forum, in one of his recent entries, supposed, based on Terms of Use, that in case of Telegram interaction with Grams will be made through a new and separate part. Usage of bots for purchasing and exchange is also possible.   

I'm feeling doubtful about the future of gram and why? Too much supply with various rate already offered by various exchange sites or partners that have already made a cooperation with telegram team.
I will not put a big expectation for the result of the gram token.
I have bought this coin for a hundred dollars through crypterium app but gram already offered by another service with the different rates and that makes me feel confusing how this is possible to happen.
It looks like there is collusion there.

Gram development progress is also getting lack of transparency to the buyers.
I feel so difficult to get the latest update about the development of gram.

I think it was last year when I heard Telegram will conduct an ICO. I didn't know it continued and went well. These sellers are like IOUs. Way back 2017, there were popular coins that were marketed despite the real supplies aren't distributed yet. These current prices are all speculation based. Are the prices offered above the ICO price already or  they were offered at a lower price?

Telegram is getting more popular and users are growing too. I think their is a real potential in their coins. 

Yeah I see this news many times on Facebook. But, I never meet the certain thing about the sales. And my friends also talk about this and prepare to join the tokensale. I'm glad to hear this news later. Because maybe this would be amazing coin and give some profit lol. And also it was have a product, telegram app itself. It good app, better than whatsapp

I would rather wait until Telegram will be officially launched. Right now several exchanges have offered to buy GRAM tokens for 2-5 USD per coin, however, Telegram team made an official announcement, that such sales are prohibited.

About which exchange are you talking about? There are already GRAMs available in IOU on some exchanges?

Read this before you consider buying GRM: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PCEypWk6Z4QLdyvhXm1CRk79pQ0Zkbkp/view
Lot's of text but well worth it! TON/GRM great future ahead of it but token price will likely come under heavy pressure from the start. Be careful.

Aahh thaankss!  This is what I'm looking for. I need to read this carefully. I'm planning to invest in GRAM. Seems this will be great coin someday, right. Are you want to join token sale too?

better to wait for the official mainnet alive .
And many exchanges opened trading future pairs,but with more risk .
you can try Japan legal exchange liquid.com ,and I have also joined on the exchange.

Before you have anything to do with GRAM coins you should know what rules they have.
They can turn off your account whenever they want!
I guess same thing we can expect from Libra and others...


source:
https://telegram.org/tos/wallet

I also never knew about the sale of GRAMS not as crowded as other sales, maybe first if I knew I was buying it was too late and the sale was closed just waiting in the market to buy it.
Yes indeed telegram users are getting faster and more news about cryptocurrency is always spread in the telegram community.

You are talking about too much supply but you did not say about demand? Telegram has a big number of users worldwide in March 2019 there are about 3m new users registered in just 24 hours, and how about now? We can see a real market and future of GRAM once it traded into exchanges.

i never see any place or offer that sell gram on telegram group or channels so you need to be very careful regard who you bought from as gram only goes for private sales and that was done in over a year ago and if there would be any other time to do their public sales they would announce it and make it public and till then you need to be very careful has we have lots of scammer in this forum.

I would not be in a hurry to buy grams now, since there is a big risk of getting market oversaturation. As long as he doesn’t go officially to the exchange, it makes no sense to think about buying it, since there’s a big chance that you will lose your money. Let the coin go exchange then it’s worth thinking about buying, but for now, it’s better to watch and wait for a convenient time to buy.

We are all interested here, can you just put the necessary information that would be helpful for us who are interested.
I think this is another big improvement in the market, I wasn't aware of the timeline when it will be listed in exchanges.

They have raised a big amount of money already so for sure this project has a lot of funding to develop more.
It has its name so it's not hard for them to gained investors.

This is the latest information i read in one of my favorite website.
https://www.coindesk.com/telegram-finally-releases-code-for-its-1-7-billion-ton-blockchain

The market conditions are in my opinion way too unstable right now for GRAMS to moon at its listing as it has an insanely high starting valuation. So I would definitely wait to see how it will perform on the exchange, but that being said, I have seen some offers for "cheap" GRAMS tokens (sub 2$), so there as well could be a chance to make some short term gains.

I have no expectations with Gram tokens. They already failed to impress me with their first ever ICO last year.
This is the reason I don't think that there will be something great with this coin except the sales that it has made.
Last yea was of a success but no follow ups, now, there are many who are interested of getting one but that doesn't define it's future success.

And Telegram continues to grow. Telegram is the best messaging app when it comes to privacy and security, no wonder users keep growing by numbers.

The supply doesn't matter because it is about the price and Telegram's market capitalization. If the market capitalization is already in billion dollars then it is probably expensive and harder to grow in price. $50 million dollars or below is just fine. I for one will be watching this when it goes to exchanges.   

Yep... This paragraph of the rules has always existed, from the very beginning of the Telegram.
And it is very strange that they applied the same rule to wallets and the TON blockchain network.
It somehow does not fit well with the concepts of decentralization, do not you think?

I was tempted to buy Bittorrent tokens when they came out,,, and I have to admit, I am happy I did not, even though I actually do use the service almost every day. I thought it would for sure go up in demand but it is getting less and less every day.

I have a feeling the same will happen for GRAM. So if I get it free, sure. But will never buy it.

Thanks for the update:)

Wait for it to be listed at the exchange and you can buy it easily. You cannot purchase an GRAM ICO at this time

I think the ICO is over so there is no chance to participate and the fact that they raise billions, this should be coming from private investors, I am just assuming as I never heard this ICO last year. Since this is a big project, I am certain at the right time, it will be listed in the top 10 exchanges in the market, of course we can expect that Binance that will add this coin.

They haven't announce yet when it will be traded and I think they are just looking for the right timing, right now if they allow it to get traded, the price might be affected by the bad market situation.

I don't think Grams is a very good token. It is just created by Telegram to get some hype and earn some money. We all know Libra is coming next year. Telegram just want to be in that race with Facebook. I think you should better go for some big currency which has a lot of potential to grow.

Gram / TON project is older then Libra and the two beasts are very different. If you have time and desire you can read up white papers here: https://test.ton.org

If TON copied from anyone then from ETH and generally blockchain idea which is not a bad thing.

But I do believe that it is too speculative right now. The project will be very interesting though for long term investment once investors have cashed in (within 18 months).

They cannot block your address, they state multiple times within those very t.o.s. that they have no control over TON Network. It even goes that far that they refuse to operate any validator nodes, so that no one can blame them for "operating the net". What they can do is block your login to Telegram Messenger and / or Wallet software that is integrated into Telegram Messenger. No one can wipe your wallet on blockchain and your private key is local on your machine (hopefully)! You will always have access to your Grams from 3rd party software as long as you have your private key.

I would strongly advise to read the analyst document I linked here previously, they describe quite well history of Durov's and their motivation / mode operandi.

No, guys, you can’t say that TON is another ordinary project.
The main difference between TON and all the rest projects is 500 million users, of which 200 million are active users who use the messenger every day. And this huge audience, each of them, will be given a cryptocurrency wallet.
Even if only 10% of them use it, at one point it will increase the number of cryptocurrency users by 50 million!!!
Is it a lot or a little? Just think it over.

The same thing with Libra, if Facebook creates and launches it.

So it's centralized. That is weird for cryptocurrency where we mainly decentralized.
Maybe they will ask for personal data in the future.
But i really like Telegram, that is can upload high res image and can make private chat.
I am still looking forward, is TON comfortable or not in the future.

What is the total supply, i never cross this token until now!

Kindly share why, i am not thinking to invest or not!


Are they in some exchanges, give me the best one! i want to buy at very low. this telegram is a big instrument to cryptocurrency and some ICO.

It looks like there is collusion there.


I am getting more excited on this! i will definitely review this one! i have read some news before that the project is just a scam.
But after this thread ! i will definitely have my research later today!

You can find such terms and conditions in many services, they wish to secure themselves from big scandals in future, I think. TON External Secure ID or Telegram Passport is some kind of compromisse with the regulators. Otherwise it is impossible to make a crypto which would be implemented in wide financial areas. Almost every exchange can ask you for KYC today, so I see no reason to be surprised.

TON is the project with too many hype. Yoy know, that according to TOS any account there may be blocked?

That's really a good point, 50M users can kickstart an adoption that is more than enough to make a trend if all are willing to tweet updates and repost in social media sites. I'm still going to wait what could happen when its ready n the market. Many projects in the past had disappointed me already when the hype if over.

I would have had lots of expectation for it, but gram is a coin that is overhyped and I already see it as a whales coin because I think that the supply is just limited to 2 million which is so little for the whales to easily accumulate, it would just take some few whales to accumulate it, while the few ordinary person that would buy it later and pump it will be the ones to actually suffer it when the coin is being dumped on them, considering the cost of the telegram itself and I think it is too cheap at that $3.3 dollar and considering the hype of the coin.

The technology that the gram token is really proposing, the initial coin offering should have been more than that so that it can even limit the amount that these whales can purchase at a goal. That is why main concern about the gram token and nothing else, for the tech, it is worth it.

It is interesting whether the ability to purchase GRAMS directly with credit cards will be implemented in the Gram wallet?
This is a fairly important function that will contribute to the popularization of the GRAM.

I see investing in the Telegram project as much more profitable than investing in the Libra project. Telegram has already been giving its users privacy using the science of cryptography from the very beginning.

But still, Telegram's structure is not 100% decentralized in some way. I hope the company will build a completely decentralized infrastructure and maximise user privacy.

Because I hear telegram has raised millions of dollars in investments. I hope they will use that investment effectively and integrate more into the blockchain infrastructure.

I did not see this in person but I heard from reliable sources that it will be BTC only at launch. So adaptation would be less then impressive in the beginning (no one except geeks and traders hold BTC).

CC gateways will come at a later stage. I am sure Telegram needs to find partners here.

I have my doubts with Telegram like I had with Slack in 2015 when all the projects were here and on slack and now look at them , all migrated to Telegram and from Telegram it seems they slowly migrate to Discord so whats next ? Buying GRAMS involves a big financial risk in my opinion as you never know how Telegram would be , its like investing into Hi5 in 2009 and in 2010 Facebook had its boom worldwide ....hard to predict were the communities will be in 2020-2021.

Someone above wrote about centralization.
The structure of the messenger is centralized, by itself.
But the addresses in the TON blockchain will be like everywhere else - only the owner has access to the private key.
And even if for some reason your Telegram account is blocked, this will not affect the address. You can get there by private key through any compatible wallet.

Coinbase will facilitate the purchase, you can read here:

https://cointelegraph.com/news/coinbase-custody-to-support-telegrams-grm-token-at-launch

There is  exchange selling GRAM token right now in the public mostly low volume exchange doing this.

GRAMS will be a good additions to crypto-market. Many news (https://www.coincurb.com/news/telegram-coin-already-being-traded/) are speculating related to GRAMS. But we should wait for a bit and see its market trends before investing to it. 

GRAMS in intriguing as they claim their blockchain will target most "unsolved mysteries" as sharding and interoperability, but I as well have doubts when it comes to the valuation of the project which is absolutely enormous. It may be another Hedera-like project after its listing and its price will dip way below the ICO price, we shall see.

my advice don't hunt too fast to buy gram coins, because his own telegram CEO Pavel Durov never claimed to make public sales. I think maybe this coin is still not clear, because many stories claim to be careful when buying token grams.

Yes, you must give a little time for the controversial smoke around this project to die down a bit. Decide after things are already clearer. For now, be safe and avoid becoming too eager to buy GRAM. There is too much to risk as of this time when the SEC itself is finally releasing statement that they might stop its US distribution, and the CEO of Telegram itself releasing hazy statements. It does not hurt to be more careful.

information on topic has been updated

So, now it is possible to buy grams for 2 dollars per token.. Who remeber, what price was at first rounds of ICO?

And, I have a doubts about all these bots. Most likely, they simply sell air.. Otherwise, how can we check this?

I will wait until the whole situation with the SEC will be stabilized. it may be that the SEC generally prohibits the existence of grams. we see how the Libra begins to die and it is possible that the same will happen with the gram

I don't like the terms where P.Durov and company can take your coins any time they want , restrict you access to the wallet etc.
for me the rule is simple: not your keys - not your money
the US already put restrictions on the cryptocurrency usage in their country
they don't make any exception , be it Telegram or Facebook in this regard
personally , after the problems with ICO , I don't have high expectations for GRAMS , just another altcoin riding the waves of the popularity of the messenger
nothing special in the idea or implementation , simply love for money by Pavel and an attempt to squeeze every bit out of his creation
 

Thats a better thing to do. Lets clear out things and when all is settled, that is a go signal to dive in. Me too is following the GRAM update, since they are also one of the highest grossing private sale, billions of funds is collected. Lets keep on sharing on update about this project,hopefully they will be listed on Binance that way its available to all.

At this moment, GRAMS is dead, so I see no point to anyone investing in it ... which I guess would be IOUs right now. And that's even riskier. The project may die and there is no guarantee that the original investors who put money into this will even get a refund. Just way too risky to me.

It's better to wait it out and see if an agreement with the SEC is made first.

To date, the network spreads the information that the sale of Gram coins was suspended due to errors in the preliminary sale.  I believe that if there are opportunities to fix this problem and fix these errors, after which the Telegram project will be fully implemented.  But if this ban has far-reaching plans to destroy TON, then in reality there are no prospects for investment in this project.

Don't fall for it. There were users already notice this could be scam. This is where the thread he opened just today but then users sees this to be a scam because SonGrambot has nothing to do with real GRAM token sale.

And user ronin07 had just awake.

Here is the thread about it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193038
Be careful this could be SCAM!

Bitfinex is an exchange to avoid IMHO. If you do some basic level research, it becomes clear that there are a lot of unhappy users with withdrawal problems of mainly dollars, and this has been the case for over a year.

Bittrex is better, but their compliance model makes them super paranoid to the level where they in some cases block your account to ask for new information to confirm your identity.

I get why they do that, but there are other compliant exchanges that bug their users far less often. I do however agree that Bittrex's exchange is pretty decent overall---an A+ score for their trading engine and overall responsiveness.