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Poloniex will be spinning out of Circle. I want to know everyone's thoughts. What do you think this means for the market? Where will you go now if you are on Poloniex?

I wrote up an article to discuss some of my thoughts here:
https://blog.shrimpy.io/blog/poloniex-spins-out-from-circle

I'd love to hear what you think!

What I read is that Poloniex is already leaving the US market. I guess some restrictions are already applying to this old exchange that is why they are forced to say good bye to their US customers. They might have failed to earn the nods of the powerful regulators in the country. They are already releasing statements that US citizens are not anymore allowed to create accounts and trade on the site. They are only allowed to withdraw their assets. Otherwise, Poloniex is still operating actively.

Got this news via email from Polo.
They find that market outside US is much greater chance, after some time they experience continued decline in trading volume.

https://blog.circle.com/2019/10/18/poloniex-to-spin-out-of-circle/

With a large fund they are very serious preparing to compete with other large exchanges.

It's not a big deal for general but of course a big move for Poloniex. From this we now can see that Poloniex is a truly big company and is serious to develop their business.

Even though the real reasons may not be disclose, we can assume that Circle no longer be able to provide what Poloniex need in order to compete and grow internationally.

I don't see there will be a major effect for the market, but of course it will bring the market to be more competitive.

I'm not sure with this decision leaving US market, i have some reasons
1. US market is Big market. even the first crypto trader is on the US
2. Poloniex has no clear strategy to compete with giant exchanges in the world

Reading the title, I was a bit worried if poloniex was closing down too. Glad it wasn't what I thought.
Poloniex has been a great exchange, on the low. If they are leaving the US market and banning US traders, I believe they have already planned everything out as regards to where they are going next. It wouldn't take much time to bounce back.
They might as well create a US only exchange just like binance did.

Yeah, the United States is a big market, but our government is implementing a lot of restrictions on all of these exchanges. They're simply doing it just so they can collect tax money on everyone. That's why we can't hardly use any exchanges without submitting a KYC and passing verification. Plus, I'm sure there's also fees involved to get the license to operate in the United States and they're probably not cheap. Trust me, I don't think they want to just up and leave the US market. They're pretty much being forced out from all of the regulation.

poloniex exchange may be considered as such, but this exchange is still active and can still last up to this moment, different from some other exchanges that seem to have begun to show signs of consumer decline.

Woah. I loved Poloniex before Circle. It was my favorite exchange back then.
Will Poloniex shine again? I don't know. But since the Circle business was the root of his recent problems, maybe, just maybe the split up will be good. I surely hope so.

Maybe it's possible to get back to cypto only without strict KYC restrictions? That could be a big step in the right direction.

Poloniex is a good exchange way back the time I've enter into this market but since the competition has increased they feel the effect of that, and the low volume of trades might trigger Poloniex to leave the US market though I don't think this is the only reason for them to do this. We don't know if the restrictions on US are getting tighter, some exchanges are also leaving US not just Poloniex, if you're a US citizen some exchanges are restricted to you for some reason.

Poloniex was one of the first exchanges I used to trade in back in the day, after Cryptsy and some others. It's such a shame that the U.S has made it so complicated for its citizens to trade crypto, yet the WALL ST and Derviatvies Markets remain unregulated and unhindered as ever, to go and cause another economic crisis and collapse for another generation of people around the world. I hope they can still drum up enough customers for their exchange as POLONIEX was primarily a U.S run exchange with most of its customers from there. I remember I was living in Canada at the time I signed up I think if I remember correctly. It seems such a long time ago now though.

I remember the days where Poloniex was consistently generating over 100k BTC in altcoin trading volume every single day, especially back when Ethereum was coming up.... it was one heck of a high profile exchange.

I still have screenshots saved from when the ETH/BTC pair alone occasionally peaked over 150k BTC in daily volume on Poloniex. Times have chanced and so did the environment within exchanges have to operate.

From Poloniex the volume shifted to Bittrex, where suddenly Bittrex for a short period of time became the largest exchange based on volume, and now Bittrex is just a mediocre exchange compared to what they were before.

At that time, my computer with low specifications always miss pumped coin that just listed in Poloniex. Very big volume trading really need good  computer to follow.  ;D But now Binance domination and before they make new rules, when a lot of token can listed in Binance, Poloniex, Bittrex's user really decreased.

I haven't used the Poloniex API but I know Binance has done a good job of making their API high profile.

Comparing the 2 APIs, it seems like Binance has invested more - Binance have quite a few more commands available.

I know one of the things that swung me towards Binance was the historical data that was nice for backtesting.

Once you're happy and invested with an exchange, there is just too much friction to jump a new one - especially with the AML and KYC hoops you need to jump through.

Poloniex has lost interest from traders' a long time ago. Any respectable trader I know trades on big exchanges like Bistamp, Gemini or Kraken or if he is more altcoin focused he'd trade on Binance or Bittrex. Trust and reputation are things that once lost someone needs to make exponentially more efforts to regain them. BUT, changing the owner and manager with a big Asian firm which is willing to invest heavily into the exchange could be a nice game changer for the space. However it will be very hard for Poloniex to compete with already established exchange Binance.

You took the title right out of their email it seems;) (I am or was a Poloniex user so I got the email too).

Like others are saying, on the face of it, seems like a strange decision, judging from the fact that most Bitcoin trading volume still comes from the US but if anyone's actually used Polo recently, the state of affairs is so sad, compared to 2 years ago. They have practically one of the lowest volumes and thinnest orderbooks among the big names. Their loan facility also says it all: almost empty, no takers. 2 years ago hundreds of offers snapped up every minute. They just want to compete with Binance and the likes now I guess.

Poloniex is just doing what Binance did: leaving the US soil for a while and creating their own global firm with the aim to establish a separate market for the US residents and cater the rest of the world at the same time. Though they may not be the best crypto exchange there is today, they remain to be one of the few reliable ones when it comes to the platform—though not gonna lie their customer support until now is pretty lame.

Unfortunately the hard regulation is the number one cause why Poloniex putbof the circulation at this time,  I agree with mate a lot of the customer is US citizen becuase if I am not wrong poloniex came form the US devs.
Same with situation of coinbase, the US government order to the crypto exchange under their jurisdiction to submit all the name of their customers to get pay the taxes.

This really isn't that big of a deal.  Buyouts like this one happen all the time, and there are plenty of other exchanges around that people in the states can use, and they're just as good as poloniex.  As I understand it, they had lost a significant amount of their customer base anyway so I don't think many people are going to be weeping and wailing over this development.

I just question what the issue is with U.S. customers in general and why polo cannot offer their services to them anymore.  Crypto is not illegal in the states, nor is it even heavily regulated AFAIK.  Does anyone have any insight into this?  I've asked the question before but can't seem to get a good answer.

it probably will end like closing it down after Dec 15. it started when they delisted a lot of coins in polo. this is purely crypto exchange no USD in here or at least what i know.  if bullrun can happen while they still are up to serve traders, the exchange will get better with the profits they make but if bullrun ain't happening in the next 2 years, i doubt they'd last to compete the news exchanges that offers a lot than them.

it's deeper than that---circle was wrong about their entire business model. they badly misgauged the regulatory situation when they bought poloniex less than 2 years ago and i think the biggest source of problems was the SEC.

when they bought polo, they specifically planned to pursue regulation as a registered broker dealer (but not a national securities exchange) operating under regulation ATS.
https://twitter.com/nathanielpopper/status/968202570719117313?lang=en
https://www.sec.gov/foia/docs/atslist.htm

they were hoping to be the first SEC-regulated altcoin/token exchange. since they never established broker dealer registration (precluding them from making the ATS list) it's obvious the SEC refused to play ball.

that left them with a lowly shitcoin exchange being forced to delist USA markets left and right, instead of being a first mover in a regulated market. now it looks like they are just giving up and jumping ship, acknowledging that the dream is dead.

Circle's probably right that the operation can't be salvaged as is. It's basically a dead exchange.

Pulling out of the US market makes sense for the new owners if they want to put in minimal capital. I'm sure it would reduce their compliance costs to a small fraction of what they used to be. I doubt they'll bring back unverified accounts but axing US customers makes it a slight possibility. That would increase their traffic for sure.

As a side point, this move is actually pretty exciting if we look at a timeline of Circle's life:

• Oct 31, 2013: They launch a month before the 2013 bubble pops.
• Dec 7, 2016: They exit the Bitcoin exchange business right before the 2017 bubble launches.
• Feb 26, 2018: They acquire Poloniex 2 months after the 2017 bubble pops.
• Yesterday: They announce they are selling Poloniex.

I don't want to jinx it but.......where do you think the market's headed now? ;)

From everything I've read, I'd have to agree with you there--but for a long time they were a very popular exchange, and I wonder how they fell from grace so badly.  It isn't as if they have customer service issues like Yobit does or don't have an extensive coin selection. 

Circle jumped the shark when they stopped selling bitcoin, and man do I miss their service the way it used to be.  It was so easy to buy bitcoin back then with cash.  Weirdly enough, Poloniex had just started offering bank account linkage to US customers whereby you could wire money to your account.  That's too much of a pain in the ass for me to do, but at least it was something. 

So my point is: screw Poloniex and screw Circle.  They're both dead to me.

Poloniex had horrible customer service issues in spring 2017 when altcoins bubbled up. Support tickets going unanswered for weeks, stuff like missing deposits and withdrawals, etc. That drove everyone to Bittrex. They never recovered after that, especially after implementing mandatory KYC. It was already becoming a ghost town by the time Circle took over.

Well, in that case, I think much better to look for another exchange site in order for you to be able to be safe and won't lose your investment. Actually there are many reputed exchange sites out there but you must choose the trusted sites first before you put your investment so that you can be able to assure that you can't fall in the trap and for a better profit from it.

I still prefer to use the Binance exchange even though they had a hacking incident that happens a few months ago. From now on, I will consider that Poloniex is my ignored list exchange.

Before they made this decision, the volume in there had fallen a lot if compared to the previous year. Although they will continue to operate I'm sure this will not last long, because the largest volume of Poloniex comes from US traders. Unless they make new innovations that can attract fresh / old traders to trade on Poloniex.

Just my two cents regarding in this situation, I guess that the two month withdrawal period wasn't their choice alone. Remember that Poloniex is “spinning out” from US and we should take note that the US government is keeping their crypto industry on a short leash that any kind of faults or loopholes on their businesses would mean a catastrophe on them. If the US authorities still spots assets from US citizens being held in their exchange then they would be instantly accused on things like they are operating illegaly in US soil, trust me they have done this in the past and I doubt that they won't do it again.

I wont say that volume did go down from previous year because when the time Circle do take the spot the entire reputation and popularity of Poloniex had been
greatly affected.

Remembering up the days where this exchange flying up with colors and been preferred by most traders or shall we say its on the top of the competition wayback
but things turns upside down when Circle is already involved.

Even if they rebrand, I don't think there's still a spot for Poloniex. Circle did a great deal to keep it afloat and relevant but I think they got tired. It's still shocking. To think Poloniex was one of the top and fastest growing exchanges at the time. US has really f**ked with a number of exchanges. Poloniex, Bittrex and now Binance. Except they come up with a completely new and innovative offering, This could well be the end of Poloniex.

If you look at poloniex from 2016 to 2019 kts a disaster.
From 98.000.000 to 11.000.000.

I think the Poloniex exchange should follow the example of the Bittrex exchange and open a subsidiary to Asian and other users around the world. Then I am sure that this old exchange will again be able to increase the audience and trading volumes on it will increase. If the Poloniex exchange team is flexible and enters new markets, they will certainly succeed.

The cryptocurrency market has a certain number of cryptocurrency exchanges that have already shown their potential and many users are interested in their activities.  But really, the current trend in the cryptocurrency market is unsuccessful for such exchanges.  Therefore, you rightly said that these exchanges, including Polonix, need to remove restrictions that harm them and reduce their prospects.  If these restrictions are not canceled, then closing is really waiting for the exchange, because trading volumes are declining very actively, compared to previous years.

well, expanding the market by leaving their main market.
i dont know exactly what happen on US crypto market , first bittrex with weird think wich block poor country using their exchange and now poloniex do a weird thing too.
i just have a little speculation about it.
1. they will do a same thing like another exchange in the world , with add a Hyip token on their exchange to incrase their popularity again but of course , to do that, they must have a choose to leave the Circle.
or 2. some holy big whales investing to poloniex for make a new thing . because as i see on their blog "we have a multiyear plan to spend more than $100M to develop and expand Poloniex",which means that the funds are not necessarily their own funds.

but well, whatever they do, they know exactly the consequence for it.
by the way, 0% trading fee seems not bad enough.

Life continues, poloenix is not the only exchange that is available in the market, if exchange like this leave the US market, they will only give chance to more exchanges to spring up because now is when US citizens will really be looking for exchanges to use, though we have some exchange already in the market that can be very useful.

Binance has already established an exchange for them, so closing poloenix now will only give more trade volume to binance because that is the next place the US traders will focus on more. I think that kucoin is also another exchange that does accept the US citizens and kucoin has been a very great exchange also. I do not know the reason why poloenix is leaving the US market, but I know it will be to their own disadvantage.