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Satoshi wrote:

"If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry"

from this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=532.msg6269#msg6269

I reflected upon this statements so many times since i discovered Bitcoin long time ago.

Today I had an idea: I don't have time sounds to me like someone who knows that he doesn't have time. I mean someone who knew his life was going to end soon. Maybe he had cancer and he was going towards a sure death in few time.

I thought about this for the first time today and I have such a realistic feeling about this..I can't explain .

This sounds interesting! So do you have any suggestions on who is the real Satoshi Nakamoto? But base on your statement and if I'm not mistaken, I would like to assume you are implying that the real Satoshi Nakamoto could be the late Hal Finney as what some people also had theorized. Though unfortunately he died not from cancer but some other kind of disease. :)

Nah, the word "I don't have time" can mean so many things. you can check this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4712900.0). but him suddenly leaving
the project really gives you that kind of thoughts. but in the end, we don't know what really happened to him and we are
left wondering about it.

you are overthinking it waaaaaay too much and are taking the statement out of context.
the design is there, the explanation is also there and sometimes you can't just keep repeating yourself over and over to people. either they understand it or they resist understanding it. you can't spend your entire time trying to convince people why and how the system works fine!

Before I read this post and read the thread that satoshi wrote, I was considering the same thing. He might be dead! I hope he is well and come to the arena in the near future. We will learn a lot from him but this seems unlikely. For the things that he has done, a person should study hard in his/her life to achieve the vision that they have. So, satoshi is/was probably very old and beyond our thoughts.

Maybe he believes in saying, you can't please everyone, so than to explain he prefer to do more important things, experiment, create and innovate more blockchain networks. I don't think he's into social aspect to pleased everyone, he's just too smart and curious in developing project and I like to create him in my mind to be these mysterious and not in getting attention that might threaten his life. I hope he's still alive and enjoying his privacy he deserves.

I wouldn't have think this as well, perhaps "I don't have time" could imply something else.

But if you look at that thread though, it seems that Satoshi is replying to someone and not wanting to go on another discussion to convince the other side. So it doesn't sound like he doesn't have "time in this world", or he could be dying of disease or something.

I guess you should learn hermeneutics. You will understand why your interpretation is way out of hand.

No point discussing this anyway, unless you want to start a spam galore thread.

Nope. He was pretty clear about what he said.  You don't argue with trolls. There is nothing to gain and they make you waste your most precious resource: Your time. He is simply clever enough to be aware of this.

Funny title op. What is the point of assuming what he meant the statement that you are referring to. In the end, no one will ever know the truth behind who he/she is, why he disappeared etc unless he/she reveal themselves(Legit).

This is like the Bermuda triangle and other unsolved mysteries which probably will never be cracked. People will come up with thousands of assumptions, but the truth will stay hidden. Forget about what he/she tried to convey through that statement and focus on the future of the crypto world instead.

You're definitely overthinking it a bit too much. It's just like trying to explain something to your girlfriend when she thinks you're lying, even when you're not. At some point, you're going to get really tired of explaining and defending yourself that you're convinced that nothing is going to change her mind, so you're like "whatever" instead. I think it's the same with this case with Satoshi and Dan Larimer.

With that said, that's a decent theory though(At least compared to the other theories), probably tying the theory to Hal Finney.

Well, I think he was very busy back then with bitcoin and probably was under pressure to make things work.
 Looks like he was very convinced about his idea. Not necessarily due to arrogance as some may have thought.

I get your point but seeing it, I don't actually get it about why did you come up with kind of idea? I mean its your thoughts and opinion but how? Well no one is able to determine if its true or not but lets just hope that Satoshi is in a pretty good place right now. I know that some of you find it as peculiar but isn't this too much? yes its possible though. I think its better if we just respect him/her/them, we don't have to make everything complicated since Satoshi is the only person who can explain the real meaning of that.

With the forum anniversary coming it is quite natural to have some realistic feelings towards Satoshi and this is the second Satoshi thread i am responding today and there were many in the past few months.

Like everyone said you are Overthinking and taking things out of context here. Satoshi during that time was trying to respond to every doubts and he was not willing to spend time for something which was discussed earlier and hence he said he does not have the time to convince each and everyone .
You saw the thread and still you got this idea of taking a sentence out of context, let me guess, you are high right now  ;D. Take some rest and go through that thread carefully and you will understand what he was trying to say ;).

While reading the thread even i thought he is concluding that it was Hal Finney  :D.

You have taken the context of the sentence in a completely wrong way mate. In the above statement, Satoshi clearly said that he doesn't have time "to try to convince you" which means he doesn't want to waste time in convincing people who don't believe in him or the technology behind bitcoin.
It's just as simple as that.

He don't want to spoon feed the users of bitcoin, he already done his part in creating it. Why not should do our part to think how it works and benefits it can give us. As long as he know he do fine in creating the system and it works well in his perspective then he don't need others perception since he knows whose willing to learn will find ways to understand it.

I don't know... Satoshi can be dead by now, for sure. It could be Dave Kleiman, it could be someone else. But honestly, I don't see this phrase in the same way. To me, it sounds like "I won't waste my time on convincing you" or like "it'll take forever to change your mind, so it does not make sense for me to go for it". And the message was written months before Satoshi disappeared, it's not like it was very close to his last Bitcointalk visit. Taking a look at that thread, though, the person was right to raise the issue of micro-payments, because it is a serious obstacle on the way towards mass adoption these days.

You have read between the lines I think. I think what he meant there is if you are not interested or don't believe in him he doesn't want to waste his time convincing other people. We don't actually know what really happened to Satoshi, everyone has their own speculation who he is or what happened to him. The only thing who can verify that would be people who knows his work and know him personally who I think keeps his secret and makes sure he stays anonymous.

That's a very wild imagination with that statement op hahaha. What if he's pertaining to it as having no time because he's a busy person. You know, a genius are always busy. Or it could also mean that he has no time to teach each and everyone who doesn't want to belive it. Maybe he doesn't want to force everyone to use it if they don't really want. I think that's what he meant.
You're over thinking about his statement. This ain't a detective thingy that we have to decipher every statement he made.

Well, Satoshi was clearly quoting a member that asking him and trying to insist not to believe. And it doesn't mean that it's all about bitcoin.
We respect what on Satoshi's decision and until now Satoshi was not revealing himself just for his own security.
That was completely overthinking that a baseless conclusion, Indeed, still have a big question in my mind. " Where is/are Satoshi now?". Not asking a bitcoin nor asking how he made bitcoin but I want to say thank you for him for such a good gift on us and until now we used it.

I don't think that was the context of those words, he clearly says that he will be on another interest or something like that, it was not that he is going to die, there's nowhere in his words that makes us aware that he is suffering from something, wherever he is it's his own decision to go away but I will never believe that because he is going to die from illness, but everything is possible, who knows.

i guess you too many have a speculation on your head, isn't ?
or you are anime maniac wich thinking satoshi seems like demigod wich have a limit time in this world  ;D
based from his speaking style, he seems a optimistic person about what he think and do.
and about : I don't have time its mean, he is a people who don't like to argue about something, in a short sense, for example,:
"based on all the research I've done so far, I say the earth is sphere, if you don't believe it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry (which means please do your own research rather than spending time arguing,and prove that I'm wrong)"

and well, date of that post is 29 july 2010, just one month before Bitcoin Value Overflow Incident (https://hackernoon.com/bitcoins-biggest-hack-in-history-184-4-ded46310d4ef).
and right, he doesn't have time for argue.

I've checked the thread but haven't found any useful replies since no one really like to talk about it. But it leaves me wondering he may be had a health issue or he maybe have had a trouble coming that he wanted to disappear already into the ether realm.

And for the OP thread—the "I don't have time" just means that he really don't want to spend most of his time explaining to everyone since he already gave all of the required information for his project. And he just wants to move forward instead of sticking around just to prove something. He knows it better than you.

You're right, those words give that feeling of having been written by a person who senses his death, the subject of Satoshi Nakamoto is wrapped in so much mystery, perhaps the first people were used with the intention of maintaining the anonymity of Nakamoto, it is possible that it is an intelligence group that planned everything in detail, maybe later the truth will come to light.

Whether if he is still living, dying, or already dead, he doesn't have to teach everyone about bitcoin. That's why we're here to spread awareness about bitcoin, correct their mindset that bitcoin isn't just about scams and illegal activities.
Btw, how did you say that maybe he has a cancer? Maybe if there's really a hidden message, he would've encrypt it. Or it has been already noticed by people. We can't really say that tlhe put a hidden message becayse there's only one evidence you're claiming.

No, it's not like that. That statement means he was very confident about what was he doing! He created the blockchain technology and he knew that it will be accepted by the world with the time. That's why he said if you don't believe my invention, you can ignore, I don't have time to waste to convince you! It's you, you will get it in the future.

Yes, he just said that he has no time to explain his self to those negative people who doesn't care at all and those who are close minded person, but, still if he don't want to disclose himself, then we should just respect it. I think he's not dead yet and he's still here in this forum checking news and he still care about Bitcoin

the link was just to give the OP the Idea that satoshi just moved to other projects and not because he is dying when because he said: "I don't have time".
we clearly know what satoshi really meant when he said that. the OP just took it out of context and put other meaning to it.

Wow, this is really a food for thought and I have never really thought of that phrase in this regards, but I know that we have deep thinkers and great people that knows how to analyze things, and you are absolutely right, what if satoshi only spoke in parable there, maybe this idea has actually been with him for a very long time, but had to use his last strength to create something that will be of immense usefulness to the world.

I hope it is not true anyway, because i would really love him to be recognize for the great thing he has done in the world and for his coins sitting down there he deserves to be the richest man in the world with it, but if he knew he was dying, he would have just willed those coins to his next kin, maybe he had already done that anyway we don’t know and the next of kin is yet to be known.

I think your grabbing at straws here mate... Just saying you don't have time could mean a variety of reasons, could mean that you can't be bothered arguing with the person, or know they won't understand you - him having cancer or knowing he was going to pass away isn't really the most viable option here.

Whatever satoshi is, dead or alive, he is definitely having a fun time chuckling at all of these theories about him, and he's definitely pretty happy he's started a money revolution.

To make it simple, it's not worth his time to explain and become convincing in front of anyone. If they don't believe it, then don't waste any of your time.
Satoshi or whatever his or their real name is, I think they are still watching over bitcoin and I think they expected the thing that is already happening in bitcoin right now.

It doesn't really matter who he was, it was very clear on topic

If you do not understand what BitCoin is about, there is the white paper and the code Satoshi has delivered in a very good and clear purpose. If you still don't get it, just push back and learn, but don't alter it and call it still BitCoin

As for me, Satoshi's valuing his time and he doesn't want to waste it explaining and convincing people to believe in Bitcoin since he already knows its capability to grow as a currency in the future. I agree that he's a smart and busy person. However, we can't conclude his personality through that short statement. We still don't know if he's still existing now.

The most logical assumption that most people would make, was that it was a sick Hal Finney that made that statement, because he was already ill at the time that Satoshi made that statement. I think most serious developers are very busy in any way and they simply do not have the time to spoon feed people into grasping what this was all about.

They constantly work hard on several projects at a time and you seldom see them spending hours on detailed communication to educate people. Most answers to questions are short and to the point.  ;)

That's a ridiculous way of thinking. "I dont have time" means a lot of things and thinking you're gonna die sooner or later Isn't the perfect time say it. This isn't a love story in the movie.

Let's put it on your situation. Let's say You're too busy doing daily trades with crypto and taking care of some business/investment in crypto space as well, then here comes the people who came to you asking what is Bitcoin and cryptocurrency, then you'll tell them everything but didn't believe you. Do you think they are worthy of your time to keep telling these people the definition of Cryptocurrency as a whole over and over again?

You are the only one with that kind of explanation from that line of words, my explanation on that and so are the others is he has so many things to do that he don't want to further explain, what he already explain in full, let's admit it, not all of us can easily understand, and many of us here wants a long explanation on simple things.
That's my take on this he don't want a long explanation on something that is pretty obvious.

In my opinion, Satoshi’s life concerns only himself, and we can’t do anything if he died due to an illness. Are you surprised that a person can die? Do you want to get a lot of spam? Admins can close the thread discussion. And that would be reasonable.

Everyone thinks about what everyone is more likely to do.

That's why I expressed my concern on this.

Personally, I think that we should stop trying hard to convince people to enter the cryptoworld. If they don’t want then stop. There are things that aren’t for all and I knew some people now that Bitcoin had been all ober the national news they would approach me and ask how to enter the game. It is a matter of how interested they are which would come to then naturally as many people would use it or be in the game eventually.

Oh come on dude, you can't be realistic about such an ambiguous statement from Satoshi. This can simply mean anything looking at the context in which the statement was made. It could mean the following:
1. First of all, i think Satoshi was kind of bored with the question that was asked him looking at all the down to earth explanation that he has already given the text.
2. He might also have run out of patience when some users fail to read provided information and always want to be spoon fed.
3. Your thinking also comes in but i think it's far fetched than the two above.

This is so simple and linear to think. That's why I'm not convinced by this version.

Anyway I'm not trying to convince anyone I'm just expressing my thoughts of perplexity on this subject.