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As requested by @LoyceV

I will post proof that I did not copy this user’s design.

https://i.ibb.co/JpKqfBT/DB45-B165-B12-E-45-B1-851-A-1707-A9-C554-D3.png (https://ibb.co/JpKqfBT)

I'm quoting a dramatic quote pyramid from the contest-thread before it gets trashed by Mods. Please move the discussion here, leave the contest thread for entries only.

If you didn't copy it, does that mean Mamaecrypto copied it from you?
Can you show a direct link to the post on Twitter? I can't find it.

I don't trust timestamps as evidence, as they are can easily be changed.

It's really sad that someone steals work period. I don't know who's in the wrong here but whomever it is, let's make sure if proven we tag the hell outta the cheater.

https://youtu.be/QK6TiAAEJ4s


Here is a video of the editing process where you can see I assembled the elements one by one.


I don’t think anyone copied eachother.

We used the same base theme and had a similar idea.  That’s what happened. 

https://twitter.com/miximports/status/1187837528142860288?s=21

I did not post design on imgur. I created this bitcoin meme a while back for tweeter only. It was not a submission just a fun design I created on Canva. It is no big deal to use as I created for everyone but I to use part of my design I personally thought it was not nice. That is What I think but truly no big deal because I created it to be used anyways. Did not insult anyone. Just mentioned and sent my proof of work

We both used this sunshine theme. We edited the theme in the same manner. Mine much more detailed and intricate. Hers just took the bitcoin symbol and covered over the sun.

https://i.ibb.co/F5sY8BD/14-DF8-F52-4-BF0-43-C5-826-C-9885-FCC976-D9.png (https://ibb.co/GWsMCV5)

This theme is available on Canva for public use. We both used it. And we had a similar idea.  The lesson here is that you aren’t as unique and special as you may think. With 7 billion people there’s bound to be others out there with a similar vision.

Blockchayne, you posted four times in a row in this thread in a short period of time. Irrelevant of what the posts contain there is no excuse for that, it's just spam. Rather than posting consecutively edit your posts into one or a Moderator will probably delete them,

More on-topic, timestamps that aren't verified by an external service (e.g. twitter) are pretty useless. Phone times and the like can be changed easily.

I think it is dishonest that both of you have used online templates and not given credit as to where they originated from. My personal opinion is that if you are using external templates or assets, you should always give credit to those who originally made them.

Just recommend going to my tweet and confirm because timestamp is 2:05. https://twitter.com/miximports/status/1187837528142860288?s=21 regardless I placed my proof of when I adited the original work as permitted by canva.

It is a big deal because you accused me of copying your work and mine was completed and saved before you ever posted it anywhere. Not to mention that I have never heard of you nor seen your Twitter ever before you mentioned it.  It’s based on a egotistical assumption that I copied you.  First of all the design isn’t nearly good enough for either of us to be copying the other. All you did was use a vector bitcoin symbol and cover the suns face.  It’s not quantum physics here.  So let’s be reasonable for minute and understand that we both had the same mediocre idea.

Case closed.  I could not have edited the time stamps of saved files on my iPhone. I can barely figure out how to post proper formatting in my BitcoinTalk responses.  To think I copied your idea.  Went into my phones technical storage and modified saved file timestamps and/or photoshopped several videos in a matter of seconds and uploaded them onto YouTube to post here in an open display of deceit is just total madness and complete illogical and ridiculous.

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Can you post the "base theme"? If the clouds, blue sky and sun are all part of the base theme, then it would have been nice to give credit in your original post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193860.msg52879094#msg52879094).

I always do and have done marketing for Canva personally. This is soon going to become a blog post and meat to use on twitter and blog only. My blog has reference to Canva. It is not a shame at all to use templates. They are available for use. It is a shame to claim as their templates as art.meme contest I get i but for art I thought it was off. Like I said that is my personal opinion. I claimed he used part of my design. I claimed the bitcoin modification. That I did. The ligo itself. . And since my first post I claimed this was created from a publisher site. Please look at original thread cause I wanted to emphasize just that. I am an artist myself look at my entry for my original work please!!!!
This is my actual entry: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193860.msg52833703#msg52833703

I am browsing often to check out the great pieces. And when I saw that I had to point it out.

I have posted an extensive amount of information. 

To think that l fabricated all of that and editing timestamps and photoshopping in a matter of minutes is fucking total maniacal.

It’s quite obvious we both used the same design and had a similar idea. It happens. We are not that unique. Only because of our own overblown Egos would we think that impossible for someone to have come up with a similar idea. 

I’m done with this conversation.  I have proven my case. I didn’t copy a damn thing. I used the same Canva template.

If I did copy it how would I have known that she used Canva? I wouldn’t have.

Obviously we were using the same program which I indicated in my very first response to her false accusation. 

Think about it.  It’s totally irrational.

I’m done. Have a good day.

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I already posted it. It’s the image below with the sun with a smiling face.

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I’m sorry. It wasn’t intentional. I’ll be more mindful of this formatting etiquette in the future.  I apologize. Didn’t realize It was a problem to make new replies rather than editing.

Please add this to your original post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193860.msg52879094#msg52879094).

If you used a template for this post too (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193860.msg52882806#msg52882806), you should add it there too. Plagiarism gets you banned on Bitcointalk, so correct it while you can.

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You're literally doing the same thing again in this post. You may want to read Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0).

No, you used the design. She created it. It is insulting for you to even suggest that they're the same thing.

She did not create it.  Wtf. Download the Canva app and you can pull up the design for your own use.

We both used the template provided by Canva.


She did not create the design. Canva staff did.

Wtf. Are you all really this dense?!? Holy shit.

This shit has ruined my view if this forum. I am done with it.

I’m not going to be accused of something I didn’t do which i would think would be obvious.  But apparently this is very difficult to stuff to wrap their minds around.

I’m irritated as fuck as this point.  I’ve been dealing with this shit for hours Bc of some ridiculous ego driven accusation.  I’m over it.

Good day.

No to me it is not quite obvious. As I mention it would be too big of a coincidence to use it in the exact same proportions on logo. I also did not center it super well. The template gives you endless choices maybe if slightly smaller or bigger I would completely agree with you. I myself created this before the contest even started to play on twitter on a day Bitcoin had a dramatic move up. I did not create this as Art it was just a fun and quite girly meme to capture more ladies into the crypto realm. Everything I do has a purpose. Wishing you the best on your crypto journey. I am not irrational and I am not going to insult you as you have insulted me quite few times.

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The proportions were already completed by Canva

Are you serious? Anyone can download the app and pull up the template and see for themselves.

You did not create the template. You utilized it via the Canva software. Just like me.

You are full of shit and it blows my mind that that these other users have fallen for your BS.

You know you didn’t create the template. They are just confused Bc they aren’t Canva users. 


There are company issued templates.  Created by their staff. We both used the same one. You didn’t even change shit but superimposing the bitcoin symbol over the sun. The rest of your design is exact from the public template. 

I’m not going to continue arguing. I know what happened. I’m over arguing about this shit.  Fuck it think what the fuck you want.

Ps: Also wanted to make sure clear to everyone who reads this thread that the meme I created was and is not created as a submission for the Art contest. I just posted the proof of work but never posted the work as submission. My submission is on page 17 or 18 if I am not mistaken. This meme was created to be used on my blog and social media.

https://i.ibb.co/RpCqc4N/311987-FD-C39-F-4-F33-952-E-FA462177-CB8-F.png

These are the publicly available templates. You can see the sun template.  They are free to use. They are not user submissions.  They are not user created.

The proportions are the exact same as hers.

She didn’t create shit. She used the template as a base just like me.


For fucks sake.

The proportions of the logo inside the sun to be more specific. I am a woman and a mother and will not take insults from you. I hope someone can stop by and moderate this thread. I am getting worried.

I'll share my summary and opinion on this topic:

Blockchayne: you have a temper. And although that's allowed, it's not helping your case.
That aside, I was serious about giving credit to templates. I did (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193860.msg52811642#msg52811642) in my "artwork". Bitcointalk is very strict on plagiarism, if it was unintentional you can still fix it.

Mamaecrypto: posting it on Twitter is of course fine. All social media only exist thanks to copying content, so they won't ban you for it.
I don't think it's cool though to say that Blockchayne copied your work, when you too used a template. Someone used the same photo as I did (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193860.msg52880586#msg52880586), which is not a problem.

My suggestions:
Blockchayne: cool down, read the forum rules, and give credit where credit it due.
Mamaecrypto: edit your post in which you claim your work was copied. It's likely the same template was used.

Both: welcome to Bitcointalk, were we fill long topics in Reputation complaining about each other. I guess you two haven't seen much yet :P

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Bitcointalk doesn't censor anything that hurt your feelings. Freedom of speech prevails.
However, you're free to click "Report to moderator" on any posts that you think breaks the forum rules (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0).

Cool. Took your suggestion. Changed the wording. Did you get a chance to check time stamps? I do find it hard to believe that he would achieve the same exact proportions in the logo. it is far to say that he could have downloaded his own etc etc but it would have been nice to credit both layers of the work. I am ok as you said this inspiration could come to anyone. All good

Both of you need to seriously follow the forum rules. Stop double posting, edit your old posts, and stop making posts that just quote your previous posts without adding anything new.

I think you both should consider this resolved by now and IMO Blockchayne should lock the thread. There is clearly no more constructive discussion that is going to come out of here. Blockchayne, you still should give credit to the template you used.

Wait, I'm confused. Did Mamaecrypto actually create the template for Canva or just use it as Blockchayne did? Because this whole discussion is completely ridiculous if it's the latter.

I am also trying to follow this discussion. And it's difficult, mostly because of poorly done quotes. And I agree, all this is ridiculous since the template is delivered ready made. I understand that 'Blockchayne' is very upset and even disappointed by this forum. I invite him to review his judgment, he got bad luck in my opinion.

My 2 cents!

Edit : I also wanted to highlight the excellence of the moderation post provided by LoyceV !

The original template is a sun. I added the btc logo. If his logo was not in the exact same proportions as mine I would have totally not mentioned it. However to me it felt as if someone spotted my design, saved it and brought it up on canva again and made changes. That is my opinion. I mentioned I felt as if someone used my idea as a shortcut for their concept. From the begging I mentioned it was fine it was created for that purpose so awesome. But to claim it as their art is not right. I felt it was my right since I submitted original work myself to mention this discrepancy. Have not been in the forum for a long time because really busy. But wanted to stop by for this celebration. Could not help myself and did what I think was right

Also hope he does mot leave! Last thing I want to do is scare someone from Crypto info. Please stay.

Yes it’s the latter. Like I have been trying to explain.  The templates are pre made available for any user to adopt into their piece. We both adopted the same template.  Think Wordpress website theme. We both created a site using the same theme, they would look very similar and have many of the same features. It doesn’t indicate that one site copied the other.  They both used the same template.  This is exactly what happened with this lady and myself.  It is rather strange and coincidental. But my timestamps on my phone and in the messenger conversation all predate her tweet. You can disregard singular time stamp but when in combination with everything else I have presented it should be more than clear that I am being truthful. I could never have fabricated all of these videos in a matter of minutes. Nor could I have hacked into my iPhone and changed the time the images were saved. Nor could I have hacked into messenger and changed the timestamps of all of the messages in my history.

Does that ☝️ Truly seem more likely than the idea that we had a similar design because we used the same base template provided to us by Canva.  No it does not. Not even a little bit. And I’ve endured all these ridiculous accusations based off of this impossible occurance.  That’s why I became irritated after awhile.  and furthermore I never said I was abandoning crypto. I just said the hell with this forum.  I’ve been in crypto since the beginning of 2015. My bitcointalk account is from 2016. I’m not going anywhere as far as crypto goes and I’ll reconsider my perspective about this forum but when im being accused of something totally ridiculous and group of people get into this lynchmob mentality without even knowing the actual circumstances. Not to mention that she knew exactly what happened and she’s making it sound like she created the whole design. She used a template. And she hardly even changed it. She put the bitcoin over the suns face. Compare hers and the original. Mine is 70% changed from the template. But that’s besides the point. She also made it sound like she works for Canva or “does marketing for Canva” she said.  She does NOT. She uses the software to create graphics which she then can use for marketing in whatever the hell she is working on. She does not work for Canva in any capacity. Her statements have been incredibly misleading and even dishonest and most of you guys ate it right up. Probably Bc she has a higher forum rank than I do.

I take some accountability to getting as upset as I did and then I communicated poorly and my posts were confusing and I butchered the formats.  Had I calmed down a little bit and composed myself I would have been far more effective in my communications and maybe people would have gotten a better feel for what actually occurred here. I take responsibility for that. I was very upset and I still am. I also feel that she knew you all were getting the wrong idea about what happened and rather than correct you she instead played into the fact that you all were mislead. Regardless. This is ridiculous. We used the same template. Using a template that she did not create. I did not  create the template. Canva created the template. And I’ve been unfairly accused and attacked by nearly everyone in this threat. Nearly everyone.

Dude I do not even know which merit I am you are. No second intentions here. I called it a day cause I really gotta leave for a trip! 🤗 rock on with your designs if you feel they are original. thats all I gotta say. Long live Bitcoin

In that case, I apologise.

As some one with professional graphic arts experience, you are both in the wrong and neither of you should be taking any credit for a lightly modified template. The fact that one of you is slightly more wrong than the other is irrelevant. Neither of you "created" this under the law, so both of you STFU, and withdraw your claims/submissions.

I personally did not submit the work created on top of canvas layout for the Art contest. On my end it is all good.  I modified the template as permitted in the canvas.com platform and shared on twitter using their share button and downloaded from my subscription. This needs to be super clear from my end. I myself never submitted the work as my art I just noticed it on the thread. It is not submitted by me. Canva.com does allow those modifications so there is no legal problem to do that and share your memes on social media. To post it on an art  contest I do agree.

Good for you. You still are not legally the creator of the piece, so you are both in the wrong to claim ownership.

I couldn't say that this will be an "original" work on your side especially if both of you are just using pre-made templates in the same application. Both of you edited the same template available and can be considered an "original" work on any end as long as he didn't copied it directly without any changes but judging the things he added and how your watermark was not erased in his version I can say that he made his version directly using the app. We are just talking about templates here and I couldn't even see a violation of plagiarism just because he used the same template as you are.

Exactly my point.  The images are available for public use. They are not copyrighted works. They are collective commons. They are available with the intended use of allowing individual users to utilize their own creativity and ideas which can deployed and built on top of what they have offered.  

The non-profit organization Collective Commons states their purpose as: “devoted to expanding the range of creative works available for others to build upon legally and to share”

So to the Professional Graphic Artist whom spoke on the legalities of the matter. I would like to remind him that this is a bitcointalk art contest not a matter of pending civil litigation.

I know I am guilty of taking things too seriously and being volatile are times. I’m working to improve that.  As such, I would encourage everyone to lighten up a bit. Not all of us are professional graphic artists. Nonetheless this is a crypto community contest. I would think that we would be embracing each others creativity and encouraging one another to participate in any way that brings more people to the table.

But that’s just my approach and my perspective.
You are more than welcome to agree or disagree. ☺️

The artwork might still be copyrightable if you really just copied the work of Mamaecrypto, but the template itself where you will be putting your own additional design and additional texts isn't that's the clear part. You don't have to overreact on things like this since DT members are pretty rational on seeing this kinds of accusations. The wrong thing you did is instead of handling this thing in a calm manner you instead overreacted and think that no one is on your side, all of this things will be solved quickly if you have only focused on the facts and not blend your emotions with it.

Canva is a tool for graphic design, and to my knowledge, you cannot use any of the Canva properties except for your content for any purpose. I know this when I need some images for my website. Therefore I subscribe to pro service and pay a one-time license fee to use the image on my website.

And I think you both violated the terms of use (https://about.canva.com/terms-of-use/) of Canva.

https://i.imgur.com/ElSbunD.png

https://i.ibb.co/tpX6R99/44-D7660-A-C3-B4-4065-AA6-C-9-BE7-E9-FDB02-B.png
https://i.ibb.co/WpJm0Fz/445-AD7-AA-F156-4040-A6-DE-B095-A8-A50-FFD.png
https://i.ibb.co/128mYdK/ACB6-F890-25-CE-45-B2-9-D50-2-C7-B82723338.png

There is a ‘permitted use’ clause.

This is an art contest.
We are not selling the designs for profit.
It explicitly lists permissible uses.
This usage falls within the permissible uses.
Some of you are far more concerned than Canva is.
They have their own legal team to pursue these matters as they see fit.
They have not chosen to do so, most likely because this is permissible use and hence ridiculous.
If you are that concerned about Canva’s rights, I would suggest you file an intellectual property complaint directly with them. Then, they can decide whether it’s permissible use.
I am 100% confident that they will find this to be permissible use.

Again we are taking about an art contest. 😐