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Title: ICO and scammers
Post by: canovan25 on October 28, 2019, 04:19:29 PM
Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: avikz on October 28, 2019, 04:34:10 PM
There is no hard and fast rule to pronounce an ICO as good or bad. It's the experience of the users that tells them if an ICO can be a good ICO or a bad ICO! However, in money matters, it is very important to know the details of the project owner. If we categorize few important factors for a good or bad ICO, owner and team identification will definitely come within the first 3 parameters!

In you case, I would rather suggest you not to launch an ICO itself. Because if you don't identify yourself, your project will be scrapped after the launch. And if you do, you may go to jail! If you think that your ideas are great, go to angel investors and pitch your idea! That would help you to start your business!


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: canovan25 on October 28, 2019, 04:40:43 PM
There is no hard and fast rule to pronounce an ICO as good or bad. It's the experience of the users that tells them if an ICO can be a good ICO or a bad ICO! However, in money matters, it is very important to know the details of the project owner. If we categorize few important factors for a good or bad ICO, owner and team identification will definitely come within the first 3 parameters!

In you case, I would rather suggest you not to launch an ICO itself. Because if you don't identify yourself, your project will be scrapped after the launch. And if you do, you may go to jail! If you think that your ideas are great, go to angel investors and pitch your idea! That would help you to start your business!

My idea is great ;D, but I dont know a angel investors. Do you have a contact this people?


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: Gotumoot on October 28, 2019, 04:57:08 PM
Your situation is difficult, because if you are not transparent with your project no one will have the interest to invest in you. And if you do introduce, you may be convicted. If you are determined and you have a good idea why not try to find an investor who can fund your idea,
 as @avikz said

But beware of this risk too because they can steal your idea that will create bigger problems for you.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: chaoscoinz on October 28, 2019, 04:57:41 PM
Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?
I'm not sure which angle for you to take because according to your statement which is hard to comprehend, I don't know if your an investor looking to invest within an ico or apart of a startup company looking to crowd fund capital.
  Either way, whichever you are, you seem to be worrying about the regulatory hurdles in your country.
   Please edit your post to make your wants and needs a little clearer and concise because more information is needed. If it is a legal problem then you should address it within the "Legal" sub-forum apart of the "Bitcoin Discussion" forum.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: IvugeoEvolutionCoin on October 28, 2019, 05:05:09 PM
Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?
If truly you have great ideas, and you want to launch a project, you must not actually launch an ICO to kick-start. I will suggest you link up with team members in regions which are more crypto friendly if possible. Also, instead of ICO upfront, why not sort for private investors or maybe crowdfunding platforms like Pledgecamp (although still in the beta phase) to assist. Aside the ideas, you at least need funds to kick-start, that's a challenge I guess. Someone already mentioned you seeking angel investors, that's a very good one.  


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: Samayuki on October 28, 2019, 05:11:31 PM
My own advice is still going to remain the same, investors should invest only what won't ruin them, money that you can take your eye and mind of if  anything bad happens, in crypto world there is no way you will know to the finish, even if you are smart at detecting scam projects it won't safe you from making mistakes


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: carter34 on October 28, 2019, 05:11:44 PM
If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?

I tell you what to do here. I see you are a junior member, then you try to build your account to at least senior member. At this level, you know if you are genuine, you can get people to believe you here and you can introduce what you have, although amidst skepticism.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: TravelMug on October 28, 2019, 05:15:18 PM
There is no hard and fast rule to pronounce an ICO as good or bad. It's the experience of the users that tells them if an ICO can be a good ICO or a bad ICO! However, in money matters, it is very important to know the details of the project owner. If we categorize few important factors for a good or bad ICO, owner and team identification will definitely come within the first 3 parameters!

In you case, I would rather suggest you not to launch an ICO itself. Because if you don't identify yourself, your project will be scrapped after the launch. And if you do, you may go to jail! If you think that your ideas are great, go to angel investors and pitch your idea! That would help you to start your business!

My idea is great ;D, but I dont know a angel investors. Do you have a contact this people?

Not easy to find angel investors to be honest, we are still in the bear market so people are going to be reluctant to put money in a project because of the huge risk.

Yes, the team behind should be identify in the beginning so that your project will look legit. Otherwise, investors and scam investigators are going to consider your project as just another one of those scams in the crypto sphere. I think if you want to succeed you have to headquarter your team to a crypto friendly country, just saying.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: royalfestus on October 28, 2019, 05:25:28 PM
There is no hard and fast rule to pronounce an ICO as good or bad. It's the experience of the users that tells them if an ICO can be a good ICO or a bad ICO! However, in money matters, it is very important to know the details of the project owner. If we categorize few important factors for a good or bad ICO, owner and team identification will definitely come within the first 3 parameters!

In you case, I would rather suggest you not to launch an ICO itself. Because if you don't identify yourself, your project will be scrapped after the launch. And if you do, you may go to jail! If you think that your ideas are great, go to angel investors and pitch your idea! That would help you to start your business!

My idea is great ;D, but I dont know a angel investors. Do you have a contact this people?
Except the angel investor is new to the space, they have lost so much to scammer and are in deep regret, If you check lately no one see them, some could be back in china . No one believes anybody again, if you got a good idea go to the right people in the space not some greedy rich crypto men that will request for a cut in the crowdsale. Consider that its a startup and reduce the fund to the lowest. You will do more work and pray same idea is not pitch from stronger team


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: canovan25 on October 28, 2019, 07:20:30 PM
Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?
If truly you have great ideas, and you want to launch a project, you must not actually launch an ICO to kick-start. I will suggest you link up with team members in regions which are more crypto friendly if possible. Also, instead of ICO upfront, why not sort for private investors or maybe crowdfunding platforms like Pledgecamp (although still in the beta phase) to assist. Aside the ideas, you at least need funds to kick-start, that's a challenge I guess. Someone already mentioned you seeking angel investors, that's a very good one.  

I have a great project in monetary policy, not in cryptocurrency sphere. But I dont have a chance to work in Central Bank and I want show at the world. And I search people who know abut monetary policy and cryptocurrency at same time. If you want help me - welcome :)


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: leowonderful on October 28, 2019, 07:37:10 PM
Try to find other people that don't need to work anonymously and try to persuade those people to work with you on your idea. You might be forced to be anonymous, but if you're working with people that aren't also anonymous and the people you're working with are genuine, there'll be less people questioning whether or not your project is actually legit. Whether or not a crypto's 'good' or 'bad' shouldn't just be judged off of one or two factors, either. If people find your idea to legitimately be good, one or two issues here and there should not be a big problem.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: Wysi on October 28, 2019, 07:42:26 PM
Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?

Well, this is a very complicated situation it's like you will face legal consequences if you reveal your identity and jailed, if you don't reveal your identity no one is gonna trust you and your project will sink before it starts. I used suggest if you are confident about your project then move out of your county and settle your base to a crypto friendly nation rather than taking risk of being arrested or termed as scammer.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: Caishen_Project on October 28, 2019, 07:45:30 PM
Hello, am trying to understand your explanation here, are you trying to say any ICO that the project later turned out to be scammer should be jailed for 5 years. Please share more light on the discussion


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: canovan25 on October 28, 2019, 07:51:43 PM
Try to find other people that don't need to work anonymously and try to persuade those people to work with you on your idea. You might be forced to be anonymous, but if you're working with people that aren't also anonymous and the people you're working with are genuine, there'll be less people questioning whether or not your project is actually legit. Whether or not a crypto's 'good' or 'bad' shouldn't just be judged off of one or two factors, either. If people find your idea to legitimately be good, one or two issues here and there should not be a big problem.

I dont know, what in english tree, in russian people think only about bitcoin. If you talked "I have idea", people talked you "Your team are scammers and you idea only a way to steal money other people". I thinked about a start topic in tree "Alternative cryptocurrency", but i dont have a enought lvl of english to describe my idea, becouse text have a hard economical term and other.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: canovan25 on October 28, 2019, 07:56:04 PM
Hello, am trying to understand your explanation here, are you trying to say any ICO that the project later turned out to be scammer should be jailed for 5 years. Please share more light on the discussion

No, scammers projects not should jailed for 5 years. If you create not legalisy cryptocurrency, you made "surrogate money". This is a very bad crime in my countries.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: canovan25 on October 28, 2019, 07:57:39 PM
Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?

Well, this is a very complicated situation it's like you will face legal consequences if you reveal your identity and jailed, if you don't reveal your identity no one is gonna trust you and your project will sink before it starts. I used suggest if you are confident about your project then move out of your county and settle your base to a crypto friendly nation rather than taking risk of being arrested or termed as scammer.

This idea is good, but I now study in university.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: BlackFor3st on October 28, 2019, 11:12:16 PM
Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?

It will be a tough one especially in your current situation. If you will be planning to launch your own ICO then it will be best that you should hide your identity and look for other team members that can provide their credentials but you should also know that it will be your disadvantage of course as we are not in good market condition right now.

Unlike back 2017, there are plenty of projects that became successful even if the team behind the projects are anonymous but if you are planning to launch now then your project will surely fail. If I will be living in a country where crypto currency where being banned then I have no choice but to follow it as you are only causing trouble for yourself if you are planning to push your goal even if it is against the law.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: ImSuparmin on October 28, 2019, 11:23:10 PM
The ICO and the Scammer are very interrelated, with this it is very difficult for us to distinguish between a really good ICO and a bad ICO, many people are greedy to want huge profits only for themselves, but I think this problem must be resolved immediately by the law may be, because this is very detrimental to all parties.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: ImSuparmin on October 28, 2019, 11:32:14 PM
Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?


This year is not like 2017, in 2017 projects are very beneficial for all of us even though there are in countries that do not agree with the crypto, but now if you have the intention to launch an ICO, you better think again, because now there are many projects that unclear and failed, I think with an event like this crypto must think hard to restore everything like 2017.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: kanayaTabitha on October 28, 2019, 11:43:39 PM
You should make a team, Find a friends or partner that you can trust from another country, and make a contract with them that you're not become the CEO but the result of the crowdfunding and the selling profits, you will get the biggest part. So you will just their name as a team project but with your idea


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: Peanyut991 on October 28, 2019, 11:57:00 PM
Yes you're right, that there are currently too many scammers behind the ICO project. And the bounty hunter doesn't want to know about it, what I want is to get the bounty hunter to fight the scammers behind the ICO project.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: Aabcde on October 29, 2019, 12:02:25 AM
So what exactly do you want to make ICO?
When viewed from the investor's side, yes they have the right to know who they are putting money for and what the money is for. Naturally, investors want to look for profit, which is offered by every developer.
Between developers and investors, they must live in different places, which is suspected to be a scam for developers. Therefore, it is mandatory for every developer to show his true identity. And that is part of the good character of ICO.
If you want to remain anonymous, it's better to make coins or tokens without ICO. As do the coins in 2017 distributed them for free.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: Kambal2000 on October 29, 2019, 12:14:52 AM
Yes you're right, that there are currently too many scammers behind the ICO project. And the bounty hunter doesn't want to know about it, what I want is to get the bounty hunter to fight the scammers behind the ICO project.

For bounty hunters, they massively joined every campaign, maybe they are just most likely scanning the bounty and not doing thorough research as they are joining a lot of campaign, thinking and hoping that one might legit one. Ranting in telegram cannot do anything as scam project can easily run away if they want, and bounty hunters cannot do anything on it.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: Reid on October 29, 2019, 12:24:35 AM
Let us try to put it in vice versa.

You dont know me, I will not write anything by myself. Will you invest with me? Will you take that large risk without even knowing where or whom you are transacting with?

Those are the questions that needs answers for you to continue your business.
Being transparent is a part of it. But if you cannot because of the law that exist in your country then better find another business that is legalized there.
Do not risk it by going to jail the time you are arrested and you will just lose all the efforts you made.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: dimonstration on October 29, 2019, 01:21:19 AM
it's arguably very complicated, but in the ICO Project you have to use your real name, original photo and everything if you can't do that means you are scammers, and it's better not to just follow it better than you are imprisoned, I am very respectful of you about your interest in cryptocurrency
I think he's trying to say that cryptocurrencies is banned in his country so how he'll be able to create his own project without letting them know his identity that might caused him to be imprisoned soon. It's indeed complicated but he can team up in some teams in different country to atleast registered their project so it will not be a scammy project since investors needs to know once identity of the team now. It's better to be honest in all terms than to be tag as scammer.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: ajiz138 on October 29, 2019, 02:00:55 AM
One safe way you can choose is to build partnerships with your friends in countries that allow ICO and IEO. You have to trust your ideas to be managed by your friends, but still with your control and you are the person behind the project. It is indeed a difficult choice. ICO and IEO need your real account whereas if you provide and publish your real account, you will be arrested and sentenced to more than 5 years in accordance with the regulations in your country. The point is to build intimacy and cooperation between your friends in a country that allows ICOs, find the right person with the same goals and vision.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: NathanJB on October 29, 2019, 02:06:02 AM
Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?

Anonymity is good but if you are promoting a project which is also conducting an ICO, you cannot just hide behind a fake name or fake picture. You cannot do that because investors are looking at your background and capabilities. You are not Satoshi Nakamoto who is designing a project away from the public and does not even calling for generous benefactors and interested investors. Accountability is very important in a crypto project nowadays.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: michellee on October 29, 2019, 02:09:10 AM
Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?

In this matter, there is nothing you can do except introduce who you are, what you do on that project. People or investors already got scam by many projects, and they don't want to get the same things in the future. I guess the investors will find the project that has a real project, with real people who are serious about working for the project. Maybe the other way to this is you can try to get a team from another country who can explain the project, and he can claim that you are a dev and part of the team, and you are a very serious person who wants to do a project.

By doing that, I think soon or later, and you can get an angel investor who wants to invest in your project. You need to transparent to other people so they can see that you and your team are one group that works together in one project.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: joshua123 on October 29, 2019, 02:23:37 AM
Country like Ukraine is probably protecting their interest and its people from huge scam activity. They know how the cryptocurrency works and some of them or the people already lost some fund due to investing on some fake ICOs. Can't blame them for having such a high steep of rules, but this must be put in a serious investigation since decentralized has it concept of freedom. Better not mess with countries like that.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: maxreish on October 29, 2019, 02:49:23 AM
I hardly understand your point here.

Correct me if I'm wrong, dude. So you wanna put up an ICO projects within Ukraine but your country banned cryptocurency related things? Or you are worrying that you might be wrongly accused as a scammer if you will create ICO projects?

I'm a bit dizzy with your questions. As far as I know Ukraine is rushing to legalized cryptocurrencies (https://news.bitcoin.com/ukraine-in-a-rush-to-legalize-cryptocurrencies-under-zelensky/) so you can still go on with your plan. As long as you have a clear intention not to scam people, then proceed to invest or create projects


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: perla on October 29, 2019, 03:09:13 AM
Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?
Maybe recruit team from other countries, which is capable. I think team from a project not means must be in 1 country. You can be someone who work behind the project, or maybe can be advisor. Usually advisor is not means part of the team and look like expert who recruited to give suggestion to the project team. Or maybe just follow rules from your country and start different business.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: cotton ball on October 29, 2019, 03:25:54 AM
Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?
Looking transparent with ICO project is easy by owner, team and advice team ICO how manager of their coin, many ICO scam by less reached for selling target and they can't get profit with their ICO, but for owner will refund all of investor money but their coin have scam without continue for selling and listing with exchange market, investor not lucky with they hold money without increase.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: Ferris419 on October 29, 2019, 03:27:10 AM
Your case seems complicated! I would suggest you obey your government's decision about not being public about crypto transactions as the punishment is very strict! You can use the crypto and this forum through a VPN, but in this place, you shouldn't conduct an ICO! Nowadays, raising startup funds through ICO is very difficult, if you don't show your team members and your profile, no one will invest in your project!


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: matchi2011 on October 29, 2019, 03:38:06 AM
This kind of situation can be answered by your owned assessment OP, how willing you are to proceed and take the risk. Either you proceed on your own or find partnerships outside your place, both have risk which been mentioned by those early replies coming from different forum members. It's your own decision whether to take that risk or find another business to invest your time, efforts and money. Value your intentions and if you are ready to proceed make sure to bring your trust beside you.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: DU18 on October 29, 2019, 04:32:57 AM
Now the ico project has been synonymous with scammers, but actually there are still many ico that have provided benefits for investors and of course this is the impact of the number of ico in 2018 which indeed is only a fraud so that the effect is quite fatal to the loss of trust of the investors to the current ico developers.
I think you need another way if your country indeed prohibits the implementation of ico crypto, maybe it's better if you appoint a team from several countries that allow ico to be implemented, and use other countries as the center of ico.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: tambok on October 29, 2019, 04:55:16 AM
Now the ico project has been synonymous with scammers, but actually there are still many ico that have provided benefits for investors and of course this is the impact of the number of ico in 2018 which indeed is only a fraud so that the effect is quite fatal to the loss of trust of the investors to the current ico developers.
I think you need another way if your country indeed prohibits the implementation of ico crypto, maybe it's better if you appoint a team from several countries that allow ico to be implemented, and use other countries as the center of ico.

That's the reason why the ICO is dying, poor good projects, instead of having them, now, they can't exist because of those scammers that are not really satisfied and not contented in life, but, good thing we do have now IEO that saves project, as it give them chance to prove themselves, but still IEO has no guarantee at all.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: canovan25 on October 29, 2019, 06:36:24 AM
The ICO and the Scammer are very interrelated, with this it is very difficult for us to distinguish between a really good ICO and a bad ICO, many people are greedy to want huge profits only for themselves, but I think this problem must be resolved immediately by the law may be, because this is very detrimental to all parties.

I think about this. Maybe exist variation for defence future money without hard law and coding work?
Special smart-contract or exchanges, who have special escrow tools?


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: canovan25 on October 29, 2019, 06:46:04 AM
So what exactly do you want to make ICO?
When viewed from the investor's side, yes they have the right to know who they are putting money for and what the money is for. Naturally, investors want to look for profit, which is offered by every developer.
Between developers and investors, they must live in different places, which is suspected to be a scam for developers. Therefore, it is mandatory for every developer to show his true identity. And that is part of the good character of ICO.
If you want to remain anonymous, it's better to make coins or tokens without ICO. As do the coins in 2017 distributed them for free.

But for creating good coin need time and scilled labor => money. I talked with 10-15 teams, who have a cryptocoin and they talked me, what coin costed 5-10-15K usd only. But yet need mining pool, e-wallet and other tools for using. And for this target I want create ICO.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: canovan25 on October 29, 2019, 06:58:48 AM
it's arguably very complicated, but in the ICO Project you have to use your real name, original photo and everything if you can't do that means you are scammers, and it's better not to just follow it better than you are imprisoned, I am very respectful of you about your interest in cryptocurrency
I think he's trying to say that cryptocurrencies is banned in his country so how he'll be able to create his own project without letting them know his identity that might caused him to be imprisoned soon. It's indeed complicated but he can team up in some teams in different country to atleast registered their project so it will not be a scammy project since investors needs to know once identity of the team now. It's better to be honest in all terms than to be tag as scammer.

If exist people, who like new in cryptoworld and invested in my project, of course, I will meeting with he/she. But legal institutions will dont know about me in project. And, about legalization, you know about TON/Libra? If you create small, dont terrible project for Central Bank - okey, but if you coin may using in illegal  target - no, you go (dont good word) or maybe go to prison.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: canovan25 on October 29, 2019, 07:25:52 AM
I think this is what makes the name cryptocurrency worse because many projects are scams and many developers are playing with the name cryptocurrency for their crimes so that a very bad impact occurs.

No-no-no. If you create dont legalize stablecoin - you make a surrogate money. Its a crime. And you have chance to go the jail. It does not matter - you make a good coin or a scammers project - go to jail. And this facts are sad.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: Palider on October 29, 2019, 07:32:29 AM
If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?

I tell you what to do here. I see you are a junior member, then you try to build your account to at least senior member. At this level, you know if you are genuine, you can get people to believe you here and you can introduce what you have, although amidst skepticism.

Being a Senior member can also help build trust, but the focus of this project is on whether or not it can be trusted by investors.

And to build trust you have to have a unique project idea or product that can contribute significantly to crypto currency. So start your project today so you can build trust with investors. Make your telegram group now or if you have a friend in another country you can trust, you can contact him or her to be your representative and partner in your project.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: canovan25 on October 29, 2019, 07:41:16 AM
If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?

I tell you what to do here. I see you are a junior member, then you try to build your account to at least senior member. At this level, you know if you are genuine, you can get people to believe you here and you can introduce what you have, although amidst skepticism.

Being a Senior member can also help build trust, but the focus of this project is on whether or not it can be trusted by investors.

And to build trust you have to have a unique project idea or product that can contribute significantly to crypto currency. So start your project today so you can build trust with investors. Make your telegram group now or if you have a friend in another country you can trust, you can contact him or her to be your representative and partner in your project.

Group in telegram - its good. But who will read posts in this group? I speak only in russian/ukrainian. But people, who speak in this language too, dont think about future in cryptoworld. Who know only about increase they capital. You know about fact, IEO in Binance - 100% good project? And people in russian tree wish a create budget (400 BTC) and cryptocoin and pay to listing in Binance. Without idea, without team, maybe without a brain... Only for increase  capital...


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: slaman29 on October 29, 2019, 07:44:17 AM

But for creating good coin need time and scilled labor => money. I talked with 10-15 teams, who have a cryptocoin and they talked me, what coin costed 5-10-15K usd only. But yet need mining pool, e-wallet and other tools for using. And for this target I want create ICO.

Really? Did satoshi need money to create the best coin in the world?

Skilled labor doesn't always need to be paid for, which is the main difference with coins these days. In the old days people used to passionately create their own things and build their own products with their own hands.

Today? Hire Fiverr developers.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: riso2015 on October 29, 2019, 07:47:31 AM
it's arguably very complicated, but in the ICO Project you have to use your real name, original photo and everything if you can't do that means you are scammers, and it's better not to just follow it better than you are imprisoned, I am very respectful of you about your interest in cryptocurrency
Of course, if you want to create an ICO project then you have to enter your original data, original photos etc. Now what the scammers do is they are falsifying data so that it makes the name Crypto being bad in the eyes of investors.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: canovan25 on October 29, 2019, 07:49:12 AM

But for creating good coin need time and scilled labor => money. I talked with 10-15 teams, who have a cryptocoin and they talked me, what coin costed 5-10-15K usd only. But yet need mining pool, e-wallet and other tools for using. And for this target I want create ICO.

Really? Did satoshi need money to create the best coin in the world?

Skilled labor doesn't always need to be paid for, which is the main difference with coins these days. In the old days people used to passionately create their own things and build their own products with their own hands.

Today? Hire Fiverr developers.

If you a programmer - okey, without problem. But if you are economist or physicist - oh...
I dont know about Hire Fiverr developers... Please, send link information about this people.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: canovan25 on October 29, 2019, 07:59:03 AM
Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?


This year is not like 2017, in 2017 projects are very beneficial for all of us even though there are in countries that do not agree with the crypto, but now if you have the intention to launch an ICO, you better think again, because now there are many projects that unclear and failed, I think with an event like this crypto must think hard to restore everything like 2017.

But Im not want seat in jail... I think about idea for will writing email for waves/ethereum foundadion, but in habrahabr (big russian platform for IT people) i read about projects, who receive a support. They has a good team and technical idea in blockchain industry. But I have idea only in monetary sphere and I dont know, they interesting this or no... And this facts are sad.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: canovan25 on October 29, 2019, 08:47:31 AM
It is very difficult and complicated to find the solution because if it reveals your identity will be imprisoned, otherwise it considers the fraudsters, better the solution of moving the country alone, or join with your friends in a country that is legal crypto. A solid team form of different countries is not banned crypto.

but I dont know about countries, who exist withous AML. Algorithmic stablecoin are legal? No, I whink otherwise. Okey, fiat-backed cryptocurrency and AML practise in project - key for legalizy. But without AML, without fiat-backed, really? SEC dont like this. This coin maybe digital obligation in her eyes...


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: mirgo1791 on October 29, 2019, 09:02:20 AM
investors work on chance as the supports on confirmation gives with one to put on exchange as referring resource on request with the number on returns as the plan run with customs as the casuals on entrance as investors work on attains to manage with distinctive on personality.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: erickastella on October 29, 2019, 09:53:49 AM
not all ICOs are scams, there are also many very good ICOs, therefore we must be able to observe whether it is a scam or not by looking at the whitepaper, roadmap, and also the team that handles the project if we see from 3 above the origin of origin then it is at make sure scam.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: tiang_tower on October 29, 2019, 09:58:00 AM
investors work on chance as the supports on confirmation gives with one to put on exchange as referring resource on request with the number on returns as the plan run with customs as the casuals on entrance as investors work on attains to manage with distinctive on personality.

Investors work their own analysis, not by chance, because investors are also afraid of losing money if they invest in unclear projects, even though each project has a good plan, but an in-depth analysis is needed for all of us.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: doomistake on October 29, 2019, 01:51:28 PM
There is no hard and fast rule to pronounce an ICO as good or bad. It's the experience of the users that tells them if an ICO can be a good ICO or a bad ICO! However, in money matters, it is very important to know the details of the project owner. If we categorize few important factors for a good or bad ICO, owner and team identification will definitely come within the first 3 parameters!

In you case, I would rather suggest you not to launch an ICO itself. Because if you don't identify yourself, your project will be scrapped after the launch. And if you do, you may go to jail! If you think that your ideas are great, go to angel investors and pitch your idea! That would help you to start your business!

I agree.

You have to be a professional good looking person that have the talents to make a good ICO, it is hard to convince people to support your project, therefore you are going to need a team which you could rely on to launch a successful project. Funds, a huge funds is needed also to prepare your main dish (your ICO) the more big it is, the more funds you are going to need.

But be careful on recruiting people that will be a part of your team, run a personal background first before putting them on action, you might not want to bump on a scammer member of you team.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: cichaescut on October 29, 2019, 05:16:24 PM
You cannot judge ICO and identify its legitimacy within a few minutes. It is a long and hard process of reading whitepaper, checking team members, product development level, communities and so on. And for everyone one thing is much more important than another.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: henmark on October 31, 2019, 07:57:14 PM
Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?
There are several ways that team and developers do scam people, scamming now has taken so different turn that they will not just come on ico and raise money, and then delete all their accounts, these are no longer effective because even people watch carefully now to be sure that they participate in a project where the team has shown itself to the world, but in showing self to the world, they still have a way to exit the market which I think it is still the easiest to scam.

All they need to do is to create a very bad product to announce to people, when they create a bad product, they wait for it to have a very bad effect on the market, and they gradually die down slowly until we no longer have any interest in it which will make it to die off the market completely and make people blame them on bad projects.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: adzino on October 31, 2019, 09:10:59 PM
It is really hard to understand what you are trying to say. Not even sure if you are talking about your country laws or you are talking about ICO scammers? Are you trying to say ICO scammers get 5 years of prison time in your country? Well, I don't think those scammers actually get caught. They remain completely anonymous. They raise money using crypto currencies which becomes really hard to trace them!


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: canovan25 on October 31, 2019, 09:17:34 PM
It is really hard to understand what you are trying to say. Not even sure if you are talking about your country laws or you are talking about ICO scammers? Are you trying to say ICO scammers get 5 years of prison time in your country? Well, I don't think those scammers actually get caught. They remain completely anonymous. They raise money using crypto currencies which becomes really hard to trace them!

No, creating cryptocurrency = creating surrogate money. Its a hard crime. Scammers its a second theme. And if you create a scam ICO, you dont will go to the prison in my country ;)


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: Utoy101 on October 31, 2019, 09:34:28 PM
Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?

To be honest,  i find it hard to comprehend your post maybe due to the fact that it's a translated writeup.  But from all i could gather, you are talking about the risk of being involve in cryptocurrency if you are from a country which the activities of cryptocurrency is strictly ban.

Some countries frown sternly at cryptocurrency because of it's high speculative and volatility features. Some group of people sees it as a way of preventing citizen from loosing hard earned money while some group of people think its a way of having full control over the financial activity of citizens.

Either way,  with the lot of scam activities recorded by cryptocurrency ico's. You wouldn't blame such Governments from imprisoning people involve in orchestrating such scam icos.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: Classica35 on October 31, 2019, 09:35:15 PM
Is there anything like good ICO? Although, I am guilty of this, because I have also said it, but I later realise that, all ICO projects are expecting the same outcome, but are using different methods to get he outcome. Also, scammers have used the ground of ICO to get most of their schemes actualized, but not again through it.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: livingfree on October 31, 2019, 09:35:41 PM
I'm having difficulty understanding the thought of your sentences but as you mentioned about conviction and jail. I guess this relates to the scam ICOs since you've mentioned it as well. What do you plan to do? making an ICO?

And if you create a scam ICO, you dont will go to the prison in my country ;)
You should include on which country you reside.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: canovan25 on October 31, 2019, 09:55:00 PM
I'm having difficulty understanding the thought of your sentences but as you mentioned about conviction and jail. I guess this relates to the scam ICOs since you've mentioned it as well. What do you plan to do? making an ICO?

And if you create a scam ICO, you dont will go to the prison in my country ;)
You should include on which country you reside.

Maybe yes, maybe no. I dont need a money, but programmers, who doing a smart-contract or cryptocurrency - need money. Im student and dont have 5-10k for his. Now Im talking in russian tree about my idea and think about search investor.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: stephanirain on October 31, 2019, 10:40:51 PM
Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?

Follow your country's laws no matter what or leave and migrate to another crypto-friendly country. If it is illegal in your country, do not attempt to hide in the shadows just to do your bidding because it does not worth the time you will spent in jail. It's frustrating but I also hope that someday, the reputation of crypto will be cleared and it will not be ban anymore by any form in any country.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: canovan25 on October 31, 2019, 10:45:19 PM
Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?

Follow your country's laws no matter what or leave and migrate to another crypto-friendly country. If it is illegal in your country, do not attempt to hide in the shadows just to do your bidding because it does not worth the time you will spent in jail. It's frustrating but I also hope that someday, the reputation of crypto will be cleared and it will not be ban anymore by any form in any country.

Crypto dont have a problem in my country. If you create token/currency for affiliates program or other target - okey. But if you creating a money for paying(like Libra) - wait problems.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: minairia3 on November 01, 2019, 01:27:20 AM
Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?

There is a due process in this kind of system of course, Police should investigate well if youre really caught with some evidence of doing the crime but, this is case to case basis. I didn't know Ukraine is so strict well I'm lucky I'm not living on country like that, my country has a moderate support for blockchain technology.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: crossabdd on November 01, 2019, 01:51:52 AM
There is no hard and fast rule to pronounce an ICO as good or bad. It's the experience of the users that tells them if an ICO can be a good ICO or a bad ICO! However, in money matters, it is very important to know the details of the project owner. If we categorize few important factors for a good or bad ICO, owner and team identification will definitely come within the first 3 parameters!

In you case, I would rather suggest you not to launch an ICO itself. Because if you don't identify yourself, your project will be scrapped after the launch. And if you do, you may go to jail! If you think that your ideas are great, go to angel investors and pitch your idea! That would help you to start your business!
Very good, I agree with this. Elite investors will not ignore the best ideas in the crypto or ICO world. meet them, explain your idea. and make them trust you. so your ICO project will not be considered bad. because elite investors have great access to government. and that will make the government respond to your ideas well.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: Shasha80 on November 01, 2019, 01:54:08 AM
In some countries I have heard that it is not arbitrarily making ICO projects, because of the many cases of fraud related to
this ICO problem. Therefore some countries want to play it safe by banning its citizens from making ICO projects in order
to protect their other citizens. In your country, it is only forbidden to make ICO, it is better to follow the rules, not to violate it
be a disaster. There are many other ways to make money through cryptocurrency.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: canovan25 on November 01, 2019, 05:09:24 AM
Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?

There is a due process in this kind of system of course, Police should investigate well if youre really caught with some evidence of doing the crime but, this is case to case basis. I didn't know Ukraine is so strict well I'm lucky I'm not living on country like that, my country has a moderate support for blockchain technology.

My country has a project for integrate blockchain in many areas and supporting business. But, blockchain - only technology. Create project with blochchain - okey. But if you create surrogate money (not legalize stablecoin, in my case) - its no only blockchain technology. Its old crime with new technology.  You understand me?

Its doesnt matter - create in USA, Japan, France, Italy or China - you will go to the prison, because algorithmic stablecoin - nonsense for SEC/FRS or like organithation.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: danherbias07 on November 01, 2019, 05:53:23 AM
Then do not continue. Would you rather be convicted or would you rather spend so much capital creating an ICO then end up with zero offering?
Both choice is a loss then just let it go.
Perhaps you could go to another country then start there.
Or, just look for an ICO with the same goal as you and invest with them or get some shares.

Are you willing to force it just for your own goal?


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: canovan25 on November 01, 2019, 06:02:37 AM
Then do not continue. Would you rather be convicted or would you rather spend so much capital creating an ICO then end up with zero offering?
Both choice is a loss then just let it go.
Perhaps you could go to another country then start there.
Or, just look for an ICO with the same goal as you and invest with them or get some shares.

Are you willing to force it just for your own goal?

Im sure, like project dont exist. All of cryptoprojects - have a one good idea or paste idea second project. No more. And good programmer rarely know economy. But if man know about cryptocurrency, economy and can a coding - he work or study at university...


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: lousie9 on November 01, 2019, 06:08:21 AM
In some countries I have heard that it is not arbitrarily making ICO projects, because of the many cases of fraud related to
this ICO problem. Therefore some countries want to play it safe by banning its citizens from making ICO projects in order
to protect their other citizens. In your country, it is only forbidden to make ICO, it is better to follow the rules, not to violate it
be a disaster. There are many other ways to make money through cryptocurrency.

Initially there were no serious restrictions on making ICOs in several other countries including countries that prohibit ICO, but since many cases of fraud ICO the ban came into force and many countries began to avoid it. but if you really want to make an ICO with a positive goal it might not be a serious disaster. but I agree with you better not to do that, there are many other alternatives to get crypto, large crypto space and there are still many ways to get good profits here.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: Cherylstar86 on November 01, 2019, 06:56:23 AM
In some countries I have heard that it is not arbitrarily making ICO projects, because of the many cases of fraud related to
this ICO problem. Therefore some countries want to play it safe by banning its citizens from making ICO projects in order
to protect their other citizens. In your country, it is only forbidden to make ICO, it is better to follow the rules, not to violate it
be a disaster. There are many other ways to make money through cryptocurrency.

Initially there were no serious restrictions on making ICOs in several other countries including countries that prohibit ICO, but since many cases of fraud ICO the ban came into force and many countries began to avoid it. but if you really want to make an ICO with a positive goal it might not be a serious disaster. but I agree with you better not to do that, there are many other alternatives to get crypto, large crypto space and there are still many ways to get good profits here.

All about those banning ICOs will depend on those countries if the crypto currency is legitimate. One thing is that we may able to do such things by asking or researching to avoid be scammed since nowadays their are a lot of scammers here in crypto currency community as well as by those users aiming to have an easy money just to have a victim. Also, by doing have a good profit we must be attentive and aware all the time as much as possible.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: TanakabZX on November 01, 2019, 06:58:51 AM
Do not expect to make money the east way, you will get in scammers trap if you have this mindset, know that nothing comes easy this is the only way to avoid scammers temptations, probably when things are too good to be true means they are.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: JC btc on November 01, 2019, 07:19:57 AM
Do not expect to make money the east way, you will get in scammers trap if you have this mindset, know that nothing comes easy this is the only way to avoid scammers temptations, probably when things are too good to be true means they are.

Exactly, we cannot control everything but at least we can avoid to be scam by scammers if we will just be vigilant and we are sure of what we are investing at. Although no assurance in investing at least find the Legit one and has a possibility to be adopted and to become successful .


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: Dart18 on November 01, 2019, 07:23:51 AM
Why not try to get some help with friends or colleagues?
Those who are overseas which have bitcoin legitimacy or other coins. Some of them are regulating it.
I understand that you really want for this to happen but there is this rules that is stopping you.

You could be the man behind while the face of it will be other people who could somehow be pursued to join your management.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: poldanmig on November 01, 2019, 07:26:51 AM
In some countries I have heard that it is not arbitrarily making ICO projects, because of the many cases of fraud related to
this ICO problem. Therefore some countries want to play it safe by banning its citizens from making ICO projects in order
to protect their other citizens. In your country, it is only forbidden to make ICO, it is better to follow the rules, not to violate it
be a disaster. There are many other ways to make money through cryptocurrency.
It should be true that globally all projects that want to conduct funding are required to carry out verification to be able to detect whether it is a scammer or not. of course this step is important to be able to find out everyone who wants to commit fraud by using ICO as an easy way to do it


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: Aabcde on November 01, 2019, 07:32:45 AM
So what exactly do you want to make ICO?
When viewed from the investor's side, yes they have the right to know who they are putting money for and what the money is for. Naturally, investors want to look for profit, which is offered by every developer.
Between developers and investors, they must live in different places, which is suspected to be a scam for developers. Therefore, it is mandatory for every developer to show his true identity. And that is part of the good character of ICO.
If you want to remain anonymous, it's better to make coins or tokens without ICO. As do the coins in 2017 distributed them for free.

But for creating good coin need time and scilled labor => money. I talked with 10-15 teams, who have a cryptocoin and they talked me, what coin costed 5-10-15K usd only. But yet need mining pool, e-wallet and other tools for using. And for this target I want create ICO.
Yes if you want to do it, do it. But my advice, be a good developer. Avoid all forms of crime so as not to trouble you in the future.
I'm sure, if you really mean it and become a good developer, investors will surely come by themselves. Of course, with a good concept too. I know that to start a project is indeed very expensive, so try to attract investors' attention in a good way besides offering bonuses for early birds.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: BRODIN on November 01, 2019, 07:43:37 AM
Do not expect to make money the east way, you will get in scammers trap if you have this mindset, know that nothing comes easy this is the only way to avoid scammers temptations, probably when things are too good to be true means they are.

Exactly, we cannot control everything but at least we can avoid to be scam by scammers if we will just be vigilant and we are sure of what we are investing at. Although no assurance in investing at least find the Legit one and has a possibility to be adopted and to become successful .

Apart from caution and confidence, there are still many other factors that you need to consider before investing or taking part in the crypto industry. mainly knowledge because that is your initial capital when you enter this space and then how to manage your financial management wisely.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: Furryball on November 01, 2019, 07:48:08 AM
I am not here to invest so i think my money is safe, i am here as a full time bounty hunter and i have been a victim of scam bounty projects, the only solution i can think of is regulation, crypto scam rate is so alarming now and many investors are scared of investing


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: livingfree on November 01, 2019, 07:49:29 AM
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Maybe yes, maybe no. I dont need a money, but programmers, who doing a smart-contract or cryptocurrency - need money. Im student and dont have 5-10k for his. Now Im talking in russian tree about my idea and think about search investor.
You even left a confusing answer for me though. You said that you don't need money and later you have said that you need money to pay for those programmers. What if you just stop thinking of this and you should improve yourself in programming?

I know it won't be easy as I'm saying but since you're still a student, you can focus on it and commit time for it. And once you're done and you are about to graduate, I think you can execute your plans because you can be employed and you will be able to save money for that.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: yohananaomi on November 01, 2019, 07:52:30 AM
Do not expect to make money the east way, you will get in scammers trap if you have this mindset, know that nothing comes easy this is the only way to avoid scammers temptations, probably when things are too good to be true means they are.

Exactly, we cannot control everything but at least we can avoid to be scam by scammers if we will just be vigilant and we are sure of what we are investing at. Although no assurance in investing at least find the Legit one and has a possibility to be adopted and to become successful .
Need to believe that what we will do is right with the right analysis, because now it is very difficult to avoid scammers because it is already a trend that is happening.
so as not to be fooled properly we must be more careful and believe that what we are doing can guarantee it will not happen.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: Baby Dragon on November 01, 2019, 08:17:39 AM
Do not expect to make money the east way, you will get in scammers trap if you have this mindset, know that nothing comes easy this is the only way to avoid scammers temptations, probably when things are too good to be true means they are.

Exactly, we cannot control everything but at least we can avoid to be scam by scammers if we will just be vigilant and we are sure of what we are investing at. Although no assurance in investing at least find the Legit one and has a possibility to be adopted and to become successful .
Need to believe that what we will do is right with the right analysis, because now it is very difficult to avoid scammers because it is already a trend that is happening.
so as not to be fooled properly we must be more careful and believe that what we are doing can guarantee it will not happen.

Its absolutely hard to find a good project particularly these days that scammers used different strategies to deceive us, its the reason why I choose to do some research before joining some projects because you can't easily tell if it was a scam or not unless you have already done your own research or you have ask everyone about their experiences about it. Its a bit laborious for some of you but it is worth it because you know that your funds and assets are safe from them, its better to make sure than to feel remorse about your decisions and actions. Projects these days are indeed speculative, you can't tell their true intentions and that is why you need to be cautious every time so you won't fall into some sort of scam.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: crisanto01 on November 01, 2019, 08:19:17 AM
Do not expect to make money the east way, you will get in scammers trap if you have this mindset, know that nothing comes easy this is the only way to avoid scammers temptations, probably when things are too good to be true means they are.

Exactly, we cannot control everything but at least we can avoid to be scam by scammers if we will just be vigilant and we are sure of what we are investing at. Although no assurance in investing at least find the Legit one and has a possibility to be adopted and to become successful .
Need to believe that what we will do is right with the right analysis, because now it is very difficult to avoid scammers because it is already a trend that is happening.
so as not to be fooled properly we must be more careful and believe that what we are doing can guarantee it will not happen.


There's actually no guarantee in everything, so stay focus on what you are doing, believe that there is something great things that will change our life and not by just easy money. We all know that scammers are everywhere and they are not just there in ICO or bounties, they can scam in all aspects so be very careful with our decisions.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: letyouearn on November 03, 2019, 01:45:23 AM
Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?

I advise you to use the solution that smart guys are using - find some people from other countries who will be your project faces :)
There is a big market where you can find such services - this idea is as old as the world :)


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: PLATO on November 03, 2019, 04:20:57 AM
Do not expect to make money the east way, you will get in scammers trap if you have this mindset, know that nothing comes easy this is the only way to avoid scammers temptations, probably when things are too good to be true means they are.

Exactly, we cannot control everything but at least we can avoid to be scam by scammers if we will just be vigilant and we are sure of what we are investing at. Although no assurance in investing at least find the Legit one and has a possibility to be adopted and to become successful .
Need to believe that what we will do is right with the right analysis, because now it is very difficult to avoid scammers because it is already a trend that is happening.
so as not to be fooled properly we must be more careful and believe that what we are doing can guarantee it will not happen.


There's actually no guarantee in everything, so stay focus on what you are doing, believe that there is something great things that will change our life and not by just easy money. We all know that scammers are everywhere and they are not just there in ICO or bounties, they can scam in all aspects so be very careful with our decisions.
I think most of the current ICO projects are scams, so there is not much hope when investing in these projects because the risks can be huge. In my opinion, you should only choose potential projects that people mention because that is often a project that helps you make good profits in this market. I don't believe judging others but would choose to invest if that project is special because it is the fastest way to make money during this time.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: Colt81 on November 03, 2019, 11:31:51 AM
Do not expect to make money the east way, you will get in scammers trap if you have this mindset, know that nothing comes easy this is the only way to avoid scammers temptations, probably when things are too good to be true means they are.

Exactly, we cannot control everything but at least we can avoid to be scam by scammers if we will just be vigilant and we are sure of what we are investing at. Although no assurance in investing at least find the Legit one and has a possibility to be adopted and to become successful .
Need to believe that what we will do is right with the right analysis, because now it is very difficult to avoid scammers because it is already a trend that is happening.
so as not to be fooled properly we must be more careful and believe that what we are doing can guarantee it will not happen.


There's actually no guarantee in everything, so stay focus on what you are doing, believe that there is something great things that will change our life and not by just easy money. We all know that scammers are everywhere and they are not just there in ICO or bounties, they can scam in all aspects so be very careful with our decisions.
I think most of the current ICO projects are scams, so there is not much hope when investing in these projects because the risks can be huge. In my opinion, you should only choose potential projects that people mention because that is often a project that helps you make good profits in this market. I don't believe judging others but would choose to invest if that project is special because it is the fastest way to make money during this time.

Indeed. It is really difficult to identify a ICO project that will benefit you because as you said most of it are now scams, which it is very risky if you try to invest your money in those projects, that is why you should be focusing in other ways that you could also earn cryptocurrencies like trading and mining because avoiding it is the best solution for scammers to stop this kind of fraudulent activities.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: Xxmodded on November 03, 2019, 11:41:35 AM
Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?
With scammer ICO owner make many investor never want to invest with ICO again, they claim all ICO are scam with lower price after active trading n exchange and delay for listing coin on market, but just several ICO coin do not have good price and there are many ICO worth with profitable for investor after price up, check with ICO investment before become be part of ICO investment.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: cryptoangel on November 03, 2019, 12:23:02 PM
Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?
With scammer ICO owner make many investor never want to invest with ICO again, they claim all ICO are scam with lower price after active trading n exchange and delay for listing coin on market, but just several ICO coin do not have good price and there are many ICO worth with profitable for investor after price up, check with ICO investment before become be part of ICO investment.
I don't accept scammer ICO owner make many investors because investors have some team around the circle. So they read the complete project and analyse the one or two times. I think spam projects are marketing to fake publish and finally they stop the projects. So right know everyone good to survive on crypto platform.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: alan2here on November 03, 2019, 01:14:29 PM
Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?
With scammer ICO owner make many investor never want to invest with ICO again, they claim all ICO are scam with lower price after active trading n exchange and delay for listing coin on market, but just several ICO coin do not have good price and there are many ICO worth with profitable for investor after price up, check with ICO investment before become be part of ICO investment.
As far as I know, 99% of current ICO projects are fraudulent and unreliable so it's best to stay away and not choose to invest in ICO. Currently people tend to focus a lot on IEO projects and are being joined by many top investors so this investment will be very potential. Besides, you can participate in leading exchanges like Okex or Binance because this is where there are many good IEO projects and it will be very easy to earn high profits.

Of course any investment will be risky if not researched because there are many fraudulent IEO projects in the market and often decrease after listing so IEO future will be very similar to ICO in the future.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: doomistake on November 03, 2019, 03:19:42 PM
Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?
With scammer ICO owner make many investor never want to invest with ICO again, they claim all ICO are scam with lower price after active trading n exchange and delay for listing coin on market, but just several ICO coin do not have good price and there are many ICO worth with profitable for investor after price up, check with ICO investment before become be part of ICO investment.
I don't accept scammer ICO owner make many investors because investors have some team around the circle. So they read the complete project and analyse the one or two times. I think spam projects are marketing to fake publish and finally they stop the projects. So right know everyone good to survive on crypto platform.

I'm afraid you don't have any choices or should I rather say, you won't see it coming.

Joining an ICO or IEO seems like love at first sight, you only see the good side of it, you never try to find out their bad side (if they have) because you've been hypnotize by their sugarcoated promises, you licked their feet in exchange of the bounty they have allocated and promised to investor and bounty hunters, after that gruesome response you did to have your bounty, all you had in the end is the bad scent of their feet that smells betrayal.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: Pearls Before Swine on November 03, 2019, 03:29:34 PM
creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)).
Really?  I didn't think any country had such specific laws on their books regarding cryptocurrency, nor did I have any idea that it was so restricted in Ukraine.  Thank you for sharing that fact.  Is this just for stable coins and 'anonymous' ones?  I'm not sure how they determine how anonymous something is, and all cryptocurrencies have this as a feature at least somewhat.

As far as I know, 99% of current ICO projects are fraudulent and unreliable so it's best to stay away and not choose to invest in ICO.
I would imagine the percentage is about that high, as ridiculous as it sounds.  With a scam rate that high, one would think that nobody would be investing in ico's anymore, nor promoting them.  Yet both of those things happen.  And it is the best advice you could get to stay away from *all* of them.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: Obito on November 03, 2019, 03:29:56 PM
Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?

I think you should be going all transparent with your ideas and stuff. Details first before your necessities to come in. No one would come into your project without them knowing what it has, what are details behind it. It is by default thinking that if you don't produce a sufficient details with your aim or goals then maybe you are a fraud. Drop it all off mate. Try it unless you are indeed a fraud.


Title: Re: ICO and scammers
Post by: Kvalentine on November 03, 2019, 06:13:30 PM
I look at all new projects as dubious attempts, we are just been given what we want to see that is why we keep falling for scams, we already have too many projects and i expected new projects to be very low to none this days but still we are seeing many more new projects, you don't have to be told that you need to be wise