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Watching the image above, I hope you have already got a glimpse of what I'm going to talk about - Yobit dice. Yes, while browsing different sections of the exchange, I decided to visit the dice part of exchange and what I saw was completely unbelievable. I am shocked to see such enormous amounts in BTC [yeah, all those bets are in BTC] are being played over Yobit dice while we cannot even search for the provably fair part of the played games or 'bets' specifically. Alike me, I think you will also be shocked if you visit that part of the exchange and see it yourself. Do you believe what you see there is true? Do you think there are are real players sending those big bets or is it just a big show from Yobit to lure us to play their dice game?

It's not surprising that people are betting like that. If they think they can afford that, then why not right? There are more high rollers in other BTC gambling sites, you might be surprised in how much people have the capacity to do that. Maybe if you have stacks of BTC, you would do that too. Lol.

Read this thread for more info about Yobit. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1872158.0

i dont think that player are real human since he betting 3k+ per bet, maybe its was yobit team that try to attract people playing their dice game.
nothing special on yobit dice game, with simple interface, im never win on this website so far

there was those guys on other websites that i know  . they are called high rollers and vip members and thier bets are unatural  . sometimes they play for 2x while sometimes they play for higher payouts   but we dont know , maybe some of those high rollers are partner of the website and only wants to compete for the prizes esprcially if there are wagger competitions and races   . i didnt know that yobit have also a dice game , i thought they only have a yopony game .

I do not think those are actual people. They might be bots or inhouse players. It might be a strategy by Yobit to lure others players to wage high. After all Yobit is primarily an exchange and this what they have been doing with volumes to lure new and existing users.

I was also not aware of Yobit having dice game.

I have already read that thread before and I think that everyone there is biased while giving any opinion about whether Yobit dice is provably fair or not, but if I ever get lucky and have a big BTC stack, I'd prefer more transparent sites like Primedice, Windice, Bitsler and more which will allow me to look and change the seed I'll be playing with, which will let me check the secret seed after 24 hours like in PD, which will let me check my bets through a provably fair method provided on the site, rather than going on Yobit and playing with these huge amounts when I'm not even sure what seed I'm playing with.

It's not about they can afford it by playing on yobit or not. It's about they have no knowledge which is legit site for betting. If they know yobit doesn't has provably fair, will they still gamble on there?

Looking for the amount of bet isn't realistic too for me from your pic OP. Those player could be yobit's admin or whatever in their team

Nope. Yobit has had the dice feature ever since. I've been on Yobit since 2016 and have used that dice feature back when BTC was just a few hundred dollars. The bets back then were much higher in BTC than it was now. Though of course considering the value, fewer people would spend that much money in dice. I once spent .5 BTC in their dice site back then

It looks like a show off to me to attract more gamblers but if some people can afford to bet like that with big amount, why not? I still doubt that those were real players with the amount like that for a dice game.

Does yobit have a dice game?

Well good be real but it doesn't suprise me if some dice sites lets some admin roll some big with the sites funds to create such nice looking bet history. For me also those names are unknown, mostly you see HR names back at different dice sites.

I watched this topic and waited for it. In my opinion, it is obvious that an illusion of big bets is created on every site with a Dice where the result is visible to everyone, there is a certain number of characters (player names) who create activity, but in fact they won nothing and did not lose.

Why not? Yobit has around far longer when compared to other sites which is why this is completely possible and they probably are only listing the high rollers in the screenshot that you took just like other popular gambling sites.

This is a common technique to attract gamblers and show them that it is possible to win big money. I have played there myself and won small amounts since I am not a high roller, but I regularly see high rollers placing bets there.

I'm not surprised with this, this is not natural
this is most likely a game from the Yobit itself
they are doing fake activities
I'm not accusing, but many companies are currently doing this just to attract new users.

You need to come and join actual gambling sites my friend! Yolodice has wagering competitions going on all the time and especially when that happens,,, the big whales come in and splash serious bets.

I have seen people bet much more than 0..35BTC Even I have seen 10 and 20 BTC bets. And this was even when price was above $10k!

Winning is normal regardless of the amount but I don't usually play in yobit dice since I don't hear a lot of good reviews on their gambling platform.
Actually it depends on the users, if they are satisfied playing in that certain site, let's give them the respect, and if we don't like the site, we can always find another site to play which there's a lot available in the crypto space.

I am sure he has seen whales as well in dice sites but what he is asking is that is it normal in site which has no option to set odds and no way to verify if the roll/outcome were fair.

His question is legit but anyway Yobit dice is not that popular.

I once saw a guy bet 50BTC every time on bitdice.me in 2015. For us, that bitcoins is a lot of money but it is nothing to him.
So I believe what you saw is real.

There is nothing to get surprised, there are people who spend big in gambling expecting big wins. Only thing is the provably fairness, while spending huge fund gamblers will look for it. Here the gambler seems to hold a big sum of money which is why he spends without any hesitation. In most of the gambling sites on the high rolls we can see such a big amounts placed for betting.

Other popular dice sites from the past also have people who bet with that much bitcoin so no doubt. The problem is Yobit that we know is an exchange site also has a Dice game and also we don't know the origin of the "Probably fair" is not clear. I once played there making money and losing money, but I don't know if this game is still available because I don't see the Dice game tab on their dashboard.

I think the dice depending on the algorithm of the website or code uses. It might depend on numbers of players or using the site I don't gamble too much on this website but in my experience, your chance of winning was really low considering the probability of the dice. I'm a programmer myself the dice game could easily be manipulated in many ways and we don't know the code used in the website was fair or alter to a very low percentage of winning. But in my theory depending on the user of the website they ill let you win if they have enough users to gain the losses.

Real players or not  then we can do anything to verify it and yes those are insanely amount of BTC being rolled on.Regarding on dice on yobit,
yes it do has and its already been a while for them to had this game.This would only pop out on their top webpage if you do have
the balance of minimum of 0.01 BTC and if your balance is below to that amount then it wont show off.

It seems like no one in the comment section who can verify the legitimacy of those bets. Well, I dont usually play dice, I only did 2-3 times of course with just small amount of bets, but this one's different, with how quite huge the bets are, you can't avoid thinking all of them are fake. Maybe because Yobit isn't that popular in this field, they're known to be an exchange instead.

I believe these values shown are just fake, can't be real at all and even if they are being played for real, then these look like bots set up by Yobit itself in their exchange to show their real users that such big bets are being played and won there, thus encouraging those real users to bet big and "lose" mostly. Because when nothing is defined there, no house edge, no player hash, no secret hash, and not even the provably fair issue that's raised by OP, I believe that you'll just shoot in the dark with no possibilities of reaching target.


Ah well, there you tried to go over smart. It'll show as 0.01 BTC in the right hand side box (I had an account there and I checked all this after watching this thread) and no, you don't need a minimum balance to see the Dice feature in the exchange (I had 0 balance still I was able to visit and check the ongoing bets). But yeah, in the right hand side, you'll see a drop down box with set amounts with minimum bet of 0.001 BTC, but that's not the case if you visit their dice page. You can even play with 1 satoshi after visiting that page.

If this is the high rollers then it is not really that big. I have seen much much bigger everyday on stake and primedice. The longer you stay in casino world the more you start to see that type of gamblers in your casino. This is seriously not that big, sure maybe in yobit it may look big because you are not used to seeing that type of level wagering from yobit so it may look a bit weird, it is about not being able to see such a level from there and not that level is not around.

There are many places that have that much wagering, it is not new and there has been one for years, primedice has a lot more than this for 3-4 years now, there were even bigger back in the day but then bitcoin was lower. So all in all this is not new in casino world but it certainly new for yobit.

Its real users complain that they can not withdraw from YoBit so they play dice with stuck money  :)

The most curious thing here is that youbit, an exchange which is proven scam and people usually try to not keep their funds on this exchange cause there were a lot of cases that they didn't let their users to withdraw money, why will someone deposit money for gambling there? I can't see anything entertaining on yobit. Maybe I am wrong and someone who was trading and didn't gain as much profit as he/she wanted, decided to gamble and increase this way but still I can't trust to this company, so it's 50/50 whether those bets are real or just for attracting new people.

I wont speculate whether they are real players or not as I have no proofs at all. Saying about the bet amount, I think it is not that huge compared to other sites where I usually see many players bet over 1 btc or even 10btc on single bet. The main important here is that about how we choose a legit place to gamble, at least we should play on provably fair sites although we are betting small amount only. Provably fair system is a must these days to make sure that the house is not manipulating the result.

I use to spend some minutes watching their dice and I also sometimes think about those bet being from real players : I often see some familiar names betting huge amounts ( like a couple of those you screecapped) and
what really makes me wonder , beside the fact their dice game don't have the provably fair part that is the main issue, is that they have a 4% house edge if my math is not flawed.

I mean 4% house edge!!!

Those players give away so much money while they could bet with an abverage of 1% house edge or even a 0.8% one. Can't really understand if it is ignorance or lazyness from those players : either way how can they be still so rich?

I can confirm one of them were me. Just wanted to make some bitcoins for withdrawal fees but ended up losing all. There could be many gambling addicted people like me that would like to try their luck before withdrawing from the exchange.
Personally I think the outcomes are fair but the house edge is 4%, one of the highest which brings chances of your wining to low. As a comparison, crypto-games's dice has 0.8% house edge.

I don't know anyone who could afford to bet that much and who would in the right mind make such big bets. It's not possible to prove or disprove it, though, right? It could be just a fancy image to attract people, it could be a rich gambler actually spending that kind of money on gambling or it could be #3 which seems most plausible to me. Real bets, real wins, and losses, but made by a person who works for Yobit one way or another (so transactions are real, but the money is not really won or lost by anyone). This would be the most logical thing to do because this would allow Yobit to have proof that the transactions really happened (just in case). I don't like Yobit, so I would not gamble there anyway.

Yes they have. The screenshot made by OP is from them.

Seriously? since there were only 3 names on the screenshot, which one is you? I've visited them but it not working on me, can anyone also verify if the site is loading too slow which takes almost forever and unreachable as of the moment?

Never found yobit put a provably fair words on their dice game though, I think they are okay if people call them not provably fair.

I have no idea about the bets and it's just hard to believe tbh, it could be their internal admin or could be whales who love both trading and dice game and they don't care about the bet amount (since they can make much profit form their trades). I'm not defending yobit but I think many whales there, so it is possible they are real players.

Legit or not, there are really high rollers even on a not so promising house edge dice site like Yobit. Honestly, the amount on the image is still considered as "fair" for the usual high rollers.

It doesn't surprise me honestly since I even saw over BTC1 every roll there way back 2015 to 2016. And take note, "different users".Yes, Bitcoin price is quite low during that time compared to what it is today but still over BTC1 is still a decent amount to just put in every single roll.

Maybe, sh*t or not, it's up for the others if they will buy what they saw there or not. We all know Yobit's behaviors after all but in general, as I repeat, those amounts are still fair for high rollers.

Seriously? Or you were just trolling? ???

If what you said is true, then that's a shame for yobit but are they really real players? There may be high rollers in the field of gambling but I didn't find yobit as a legit one for gambling. Maybe in some other casinos you could see such high stake rollers when the more time you spent in different casinos.

don't think anyone in his right mind would bet consistently with a 4% house edge
but with Yobit it doesn't surprise me much, could be the house bots or anything , really
while some are saying Yobit is scam , I'd prefer to call this exchange shady - they did have a history of support going AWOL for months and accounts blocked for some weird reasons
but hey , people bet at freebitcoin with a 5%! house edge dice , so you never really know
one thing I know for sure: you will never see my name on that screenshot  :D

That's certainly true, but at the same time there's plenty of people even with large balances that don't know a ton about gambling and end up rolling high amounts even on places like Yobit. The site's indeed shady, but they've got plenty of presence around these forums and elsewhere as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if there's truly large players using the site.

One thing that makes me very suspicious about this is that these people are supposedly gambling so much coin on a dice site that isn't even provably fair. Doesn't make a lot of sense to gamble on YoBit if there's a potential they could be rigging rolls. At the end of the day, there's really no way to know for sure. I certainly won't be touching YoBit anytime soon either way.

I would rather spent up some dollars betting on a hi-lo game with 5% HE than on Yobits dice game.
When we do compared out their credibility then theres no doubt that people will mostly trust up Freebit.co than into this shady exchange.
They had been shady since they were operating, how would people would got confident on the fairness of their dice? So to speak that there
were lots of dice sites which are reputable and way more trustable than on this one.People never ever learn.

lol you got a point there but freebit really have a 5% percent house edge ? wew that alot but i still keep on claiming and playing my wins on there but on the yobit gambling games , i have never experience playing on them although im aware that they are also old enough to be trusted despite of having some  negative issues  . and yes , there are many alternative gambling sites out there that have leser edge and much better interface and service compare to them .

For BitDice gamblers to bet that amount, I would say it's true since this site has salready established and bitcoin during 2015 is not that high priced. So 50btc during that time is not that big amount to deal with. What makes this post interesting is that it's coming from site which is full of controversy. I would think that it's a bot or some people which is paid to lure people to try their site.

actually im not surprised with the amount of btc used to bet in yobit dice. there are high rollers in that exchange. and that amount actually is small.
i have read countless complaints on yobit, but as a user of that exchange from time to time, i really havent experienced any problem with them, trading or withdrawal. so i cant really say bad things towards them.

And also you can verify the bets on each roll and thats way more better than to this dice which doesnt even show its fairness.

There were even old thread discussing out this dice game fairness: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1503792.0
Imagine that theres one player do say that even on 50% chance there were unreasonable losing streak.

I don't know, I am still gray about the view of the dice game on the site yobit, if after their name was tainted some time ago, is there still a player who is willing to play on this site with a high wagering. Alright, let's look at the picture given @OP, there are a number of bets and that's a pretty high wagering all. Even the famous dice site here is very rarely I see players who bet a lot in a row like the site yobit. suspicious


Well, I agree with your statement that at least we have to bet on legitimate and provably fair sites. But the problem is how can we know the site is fair? whereas there has been a lot of negative feedback on it. If Yobit really wants to improve its reputation, I just hope they play fair and are always transparent.

having lot of crypto doesn't mean you throw money out of the window
there are dozens of trusted , provably fair casinos just a click away
there is no reason to play high stakes on a not provably fair , 4% house edge dice at a shady exchange like Yobit
use their time betting 0.3 btc a pop ? I wish I had as much free time and as much spare coins , all this seems extremely weird and shady

If people are that rich then its pure nonsense to think that they would just basically waste up 0.3 and more into this exchange.
You are right there are way more better casinos/dice than this and wondering why they do end up on yobit if ever their real ones?
You might be rich but i cant afford to waste up those numbers on a single bet.You would get the entertainment you do seek if ever.
There are lots of ways to enjoy your btc than this one thats why i do see this one is fake users.

That's fair enough for you i guess but I wonder why there are still complaints on them besides of the good results from various players? Although I am not surprised with those huge amount of bets on the other platform but it's quite surprising on yobit's platform to see some players like this on a dice game.

Well, I've always thought that Yobit is suspicious.

They are well-known to fake their trading volume through wash-trading, so I don't why they would have a problem faking dice rolls either.

Stay away from any platform that needs to resort to trickery to lure in users, it will only end badly.

After seeing this topic try to visit yobit for checking this. Its really some people are betting 0.200 btc - 0.300 btc continuesly. It's very suspicious to me. I am not clear but hopefully it may be fake IMO. 

I wouldnt touch this Dice site ever even those bets are real ones but you cant be sure if you wouldnt be hold up when you do tend to make a withdrawal.

For a shady exchange like Yobit then its hard to trust when it comes to provably fair.I saw that theres no way for you to verify bets which is already a red flag.

This is not to say that the site is not neither is it to say that the site is not legit but I would say you should not take the site of your gambling abilities to compare with that of others some people unbelievably stake very high

It may be true, they can do it through bot bets (I think there is nothing illegal in this), although I do not believe they are committing any fraud, they are currently carrying out the signing campaign, and I do not believe that They are stealing through gambling, it would be stupid, I have observed that you cannot verify or audit each play, this is something that must be improved and implemented, in many other platforms it is very difficult to win, I have experience in platforms such as Freebit.co, and If there are people who make such large bets, they usually make few plays, it cannot be forgotten that gambling attracts many people and when Provably Fair is used the advantage will always have the house.

I am actually still surprised that the Yobit dice game still exists and the fact that its still not provably fair. I lost tons of alt coins that I mined to that dice game back in 2016 or so.

It was attractive because the dice was available in pretty much any currently, even some low volume or new altcoin that just launched. And out of boredom I decided why not, its right in front of me. Might as well try it and double my 100 coins to 200 coins.

Bet 1 coin won 1 coin
Bet 1 coin and lost 1 coin
Bet 2 coin and lost 2 coin
Bet 4 coin and lost 4 coin
Bet 10 coin and lost 10 coin
Bet 1 coin and won 1 coin
Bet 25 coin and lost 25 coin
Bet 50 coin and lost 50 coin

The results were similar to the above from what I can recall. Basically it seemed like a scam and impossible to win. I didn't really care because they were all mined by my GPU so the loss was minimal but I am surprised they didn't add provably fair check yet.

I know an online casino that has been around for a while and in their telegram group, you can see the wins of high rollers there and since it's a gaming platform built on EOS, you can trace those transactions in the blockchain... So judging from that, I know that some of these huge bets you see are probably real players, gambling is a game if chance and some people take it very seriously and as long as they have tested it and feel it's fair, they can use big funds to roll all day long, sometimes I just go there to view the big bets that people place and hope that one day, I would be as Crypto rich as that.