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Yesterday, I found some Russian bounty cheaters (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5195644.msg53008986#msg53008986). I was interested in sending Merit account TheICE007 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=264068) Merit seller.

Merits (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=TheICE007) were handed out on the same day 2018-09-17 6:20:00 PM at the same time.
This may indicate the sale of merit.

Next, I decided to read the cabinet of this account.

https://archive.ph/Q8jZg

Then I checked all matches by number.

https://archive.ph/SUUWi
Favouredhart (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2297860) Autoban user, but he has an account that evades the ban.

Jannyh (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1883625)
https://archive.ph/HYRVt

And if you look at transactions by tokens, the most interesting story begins.
https://i.ibb.co/vZr43kt/Deepin-Screenshot-20191107181530.png (https://ibb.co/pJsjfdm)

There are many token transactions per wallet. All transfers belong to a farm of 10 live accounts.

Chomsy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1759759) Copper Member
Jannyh (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1883625) Copper Member
Dannev (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2317961) Jr. Member
Ifychuks (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2397927)    Copper Member
Globen (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2515607)  Copper Member
Waltermeks (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2576323) Jr. Member
deodivine1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1390292)  Copper Member
Ebubuemma (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2568952)  Newbie
Blesko (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2642410)  Copper Member
chuksmy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2635666) Newbie

https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa5b136320fc80b569b949b2a70d2f62a20d3d40#tokentxns
https://archive.ph/ERerf   Address 0xFA5b136320fc80B569B949B2a70d2F62A20d3d40
https://i.ibb.co/JnYX2W8/Deepin-Screenshot-20191107170458.png (https://ibb.co/0q0PZp1)

Chomsy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1759759) Copper Member
https://archive.ph/ec0ui

Jannyh (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1883625) Copper Member
https://archive.ph/pOLpy

Dannev (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2317961) Jr. Member
https://archive.ph/D7iuU

Ifychuks (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2397927)    Copper Member
https://archive.ph/u0iZV

Globen (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2515607)  Copper Member
https://archive.ph/cmSA4#selection-751.0-751.55

Waltermeks (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2576323) Jr. Member
https://archive.ph/AbQAi

deodivine1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1390292)  Copper Member
https://archive.ph/ncV6T

Ebubuemma (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2568952)  Newbie
https://archive.ph/53nAI

Blesko (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2642410)    Copper Member
https://archive.ph/uxGcH

chuksmy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2635666) Newbie
https://archive.ph/0YykS

All these accounts repeatedly participated in the same subscription companies.
E3T - BOUNTY CAMPAIGN
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q-ppPPnLmLEx-VQdvboTB9alFHJ8W_0ZujlTxPk0NQw/edit#gid=92258037

StableDEX Bounty Campaign
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fx91aiBWxHvsDD6hn3NXLoS6d5VjJHVfbicEQmMHER8/edit#gid=325377537

PLEASE I AM NOT GUILTY OF ACCLAIMED ACCUSATION & RED TRUST

Greetings, first of all let me commend you for trying to sanitize this forum by trying to spot bounty cheats. I was a victim here but I'm not in anyway guilty of the acclaimed accusation or red trust.

I am in same crypto group with some guys on the list on whatsapp and someone posted the image of this thread which resulted to my red trust. I do transact and share reliable bounties sometimes with members of the WhatsApp group and the last time I transacted was TAN (taklimakan) I sent to someone (Chomsy) to help me sell on cointiger, since the exchange has issues loading on my mobile device. I think my last transaction connected me to this accusation but I have proof to defend myself.

Below is my proof, uploaded to Google drive:
First ( the guy who posted image of this thread in my WhatsApp group)

Next 👇is my chat with Chomsy who helped me sell TAN last after the bounty and is also a victim here: (you can check the conversation date)

🔗 https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1Rt206lJOw3hxZv8H83QNgv2R_PiIlAj1

You also mentioned that we are on same bounty spreadsheet, like I said some of us are in same crypto group and share info and even chat privately. Below is my proof of my chat with chomsy about E3T.
Here 🔗 https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1-TZo-W84UjSB55c-edRK877IfpRHYl3O

Please  you can check it, the very day I said I will do E3T (5th November 2019) on the screenshot is same as my E3T proof of authentication 👉  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5194523.msg52987646#msg52987646

I also share many groups in common with chomsy. See proof here 👉 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-gyquDh7bIvJHm1eRElnNgiRk4Fwm7A_/view?usp=drivesdk

I hope the red trust on my account is removed after seeing my proof, since it will be so unfair if it's still there, thanks and God bless you.

Can you explain why those transactions from different accounts came in within a few minutes from each other involving the same token of which on of the transaction was of your ETH account? Did they also agree to send in the tokens at the same time?

https://etherscan.io/address/0xfa5b136320fc80b569b949b2a70d2f62a20d3d40#tokentxns

If it was a deal between you and your "friend" then i guess it would just be only 1 or 2 transactions

I am also a victim here. CHOMSY  is in the same group with me, immediately I received the token, I was on may way travelling and as such network was fluctuating, I reached out to her to send me the exchange wallet she was about sending hers and immediately I sent sent token to her exchange wallet , I was surprised seeing this.

This accusation isn't right.

And please why am I having Red Trust? I am just seeing it. 

I am not Guilty

I can explain this. All I need is a listening ear. When the payment from Taklimakan was made, I made announcement on the groups am in which resulted to the victims  asking me to help them sell immediately.

I dropped my exchange wallet for those who contacted me to sell and I have proof to my conversations with Globen, Ifychuks and Dannev that morning.

I'm just a victim of help here.

This is the link to a Google file containing screenshots of when and how I got to know about the negative trust, and my conversation in one of the groups with victims here as well.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1ZU5GSNiBQkk1V7STch9TlYcAucl_YU7e

I just hope the red trust is removed as I am not guilty of this.

Tokens were distributed same time, we are in same crypto group and we update everyone when there is a necessary update for any bounty or project we invested in, even when tokens are distributed.  since chomsy agreed to sell on cointiger, I don't see any reason why it's bad to send to her within same timeframe to sell.

This post is not enough to warrant a red trust in my opinion (although its subject to change after proof). Some of us needs to learn that bounty hunting is now a source of livelihood for many people in Asia and Africa. And thus there are bounty groups or communities scattered all over Whatsapp and Telegram.

Most of these people are friends and siblings and some help others trade in exchanges too (including otc).

Kindly re-evaluate your stance Op

How familiar this is. We are family, friends, neighbors and blah blah. Somewhere I already saw it.
I will add a neutral feedback to everyone that all 10 people are on the team. And very often they are registered at the same companies. The rest is at the discretion of the managers.

That's poor mindset to think this forum will really earn much over a stable job and to be honest the thing that they are a family tree doing over a bounty is not reliable to tell. I have a hunch that there are only few people that control these accounts and just saying they are a community or a family bounty hunters, that line made a millions already you may tell that to a noob.

Its no poor mindset its a fact. More than half the world is poor and many depend on crypto for endsmeet. I can get you stats on this but its not the point anyway.

I am not saying that there are no account farmers but we must still not neglect the fact that some hunters sell coins for some hunter. Yes, this is a fact too. And untill Bitcointalk criminalises it, i see it continuing. As we speak. My TAN tokens is currently in the hands of my Bangladesh friend Saheeb. He is yet to sell.

Anyways, good job by the OP and i hope that collectively we can make Bitcointalk a better place. Thank you

What is the advantage of doing that, may I ask?  And I'm genuinely curious about this, because obviously we've all seen this before and besides being the perfect excuse for employing alt accounts to abuse bounties it seems irrational--to me, at least.  I'd like to know why people give control of their tokens or coins to family members/friends.

In any case, I've started giving such members the benefit of the doubt and don't tag them anymore based on this kind of evidence.  That's just me, though.  Part of me believes it's just a lie to cover up abuse in bounties, but part of me just doesn't know.

Oh yeah, I'd like to see that data about this:

You can PM me with it if you like.

Someone just called me now from the group to tell me what happened. I hardly visit the group but I always get direct informations from my friends there. I'm just a victim like the other persons mentioned.

Then you should do more for the forum and treat your “place of work” with some respect other than just spam it with bounty reports and nothing else. The problem are the leeches that only want the money. The forum is doing wonders for them by giving them a living and yet they can’t spend a single hour actually reading the forum and trying to contribute to it. How hard could be that? You get a “job” and yet you do it in the laziest way possible. Ingratitude.

I sent you a pm bud ;)

I agree. More respect should be given.

Holy mowly fckn shit is that picture. This really made my day!  :D

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@OP, You should give them a negative tag instead of neutral. They are obviously controlled by one user. The timing of the accounts posting here is very consistent.
You are just very nice to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Then give it more respect. The rant was also directed to you. Take a look at your post history. All I can see are bounty reports and some generic shitposts on the Altcoin board.

I believe that someone who has not made a note in the accounts of relatives / friends about their connection and begins to tell "stories" only after the abuse is found should blame himself.
Even if the “story” is true (I’m talking about theory and not about this case), then the one who hid the connection between accounts (while performing actions that are regarded as abuse) should be red tagged. He took the risks, these are his problems and responsibility.

Yeah, but the problem with this is that I don't think any new bounty hunters ever bother to read any threads in Meta, Reputation, or Scam Accusations and don't realize that many bounty hunting "families" have gotten red-trusted because they apparently shared a wallet and were linked to each other through blockchain evidence.  Thus they have no way of knowing beforehand that this might be a possibility and wouldn't even think to tell anyone in advance of their plans.

Not that I think such a warning would be believed anyway.  We've seen so many instances of alt accounts abusing bounties that it sounds like just another far-fetched excuse by members trying to get their tag removed. 

I did get a PM from dengineersprof, who gave one reasonable explanation as to why bounty hunters might share a wallet, and I'm not sure why he didn't just post it here.  I'll leave it to him to do that if he wants, because I don't want to quote the PM in public since he might not want me to.

But in this case, everything turns out very fairly - the one who does not read the rules (actually does not respect the forum and its participants) receives a penalty.

It looks like they are sharing more than just a wallet.
I want to ask the community if these accounts are suitable for the “Ban evasion” violation?

Evasion of the ban 4 accounts.

Favouredhart (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2297860) Autoban user, but he has an account that evades the ban.

Proof, Identical social networks.

https://archive.ph/ZjQ23

https://archive.ph/cSsb4

Jannyh (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1883625) Violates.

https://archive.ph/9XTO3

https://archive.ph/1xER4

https://archive.ph/7VCuT

Globen (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2515607)  Violates.
https://archive.ph/XcLyz

And also a new account not previously mentioned.

Danda23 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2526977) Violates.
https://archive.ph/JtU8P

https://archive.ph/BnPbr

https://archive.ph/JtU8P

Matches across all accounts. It is difficult to say that social networks also need to be shared.

Telegram Username : @Alvanhart
https://www.reddit.com/user/anderhart
https://www.facebook.com/favoured.hart.5
https://twitter.com/favouredhart?s=08

As well as

TheICE007 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=264068)  Violates.
https://archive.ph/Q8jZg

Then I checked all matches by number.


It turns out all of these accounts evade the ban.

Favouredhart (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2297860) Autoban user,
Jannyh (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1883625)
Globen (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2515607)
Danda23 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2526977)
TheICE007 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=264068)

There are at least three reasonable reasons why people do not make neutral notes in the trust about a kinship or friendship between accounts:

1. This is not required by the rules of the forum, and many beginners, I think, simply do not know about the trust system, in addition to the rules of the forum.
2. Caring for privacy.
3. Fear of the ban hammer, which indiscriminately punishes not only the account that violated the rules, but also all accounts associated with it.

There is reason to believe that your account is not the first and not the only one. However, there are no notes on your alternative accounts in your profile. Perhaps because your other accounts are already banned and you yourself are evading the ban hammer. Maybe yes, maybe no, who knows? The probability of a positive response is much greater than zero, given that your forum career was very winding and you did not immediately find your calling as a whistle-blower of reputation abuse.

There is a simple answer to this. Not caught, not a thief.
But when there is direct evidence of the connection of accounts, then suspicions and doubts begin.

I don’t think it makes sense to reply to messages be.open/sne.su/more^power/Sancho18/Bonanzabits/Prod/Kutkh he runs after me on all topics with only one goal - trolling. Given that his "family" is already tagged, you can simply ignore him.

This is a curious answer enough to quote. For suspicion and doubt, evidence is not needed. For example, if you analyze the history of your forum activity, there will be enough indirect evidence to doubt that you are the only forum account. However, there are no notes on your alternative accounts in your profile. Apparently you are waiting for you to be caught again in violation to tell the story of your family. :)

I'm sure this is a cheater with own farm of accounts, because of his pm. He pm'ed me in Telegram asking to fix spreadsheet, I asked to confirm on bitcointalk and he wrote from second account as it his own. Of course now he telling that this is "his friend", but all cheaters saying this. I banned all of them from Cartesi and tagged.

https://i.imgur.com/0tas4US.png

You should look at another part of the farm: 14+ acconts connected. Community help needed. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5224998.)

Greetings, I already cleared the air here. I'm not a bounty cheat, neither am I involved in account farming whatsoever. Please look into this, I just observed I got red trust after this was annulled to neutral. Kindly look into this again.

It looks like another huge farm of bounty abusers here. I will try following up the whole thread before i decided to neg all the accounts and alts involved in cheating bounties.

10 Copper member profiles involved in the same bounty and token transfers. Yeah sure! You already cleared the air.

10 copper member participating in one bounty can be a coincidence and token transfer can be some commercial transactions. Possible, is not it? Why people think this as a abusing instead of taking it as coincidence, because they are copper member, when high rank account is involved and some high rank user back them, all of the so called forum concerned guy just stay away.

Sir, I took time last year to explain why I'm not guilty, you can check my proof above, with google drive links to back it up. The whatsapp group "cryptoclass" on the link is still active, I can provide the link if required. I created that group 2017. I have never used another account on bitcointalk for bounties aside this one, this is my only account. It hurts when someone is telling the truth but due to the fact that I did transaction with some defaulter, I was given red trust.

If I changed your trust to neutral, this does not mean that you can be trusted. If you read the notice to your trust carefully, at the discretion of the manager.
Nobody denied your connection with all other accounts.
Bubbalex manager, talk to him.