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Improvements 1. Punishment for False accusations of trolling

Since this is a clear rule infraction, apparently punishable by a ban and since there is a clear and sensible definition of trolling " continuously proliferating conclusively debunked and incorrect information as true"  

Since also that it is quite easy to mislead the reader when many "highly merited" and " high trust score" and " high rank" members simply scream trolling to undeniable, independently verifiable observable instances as an attempt to discredit or throw doubt over their validity rather than attempting to debunk these instances ( which of course they realize is impossible).  

Then surely such a blatant and flagrant attempt to mislead and in many cases place in danger the reader should have a punishment.

So certainly in the case where the information and statements are undeniably true ( they relate to specific documented behaviors conducted on this forum and are independently verifiable) are presented and another member states they are TROLLING or in other words claiming these are conclusively debunked and UNTRUE. Then we need to take a more responsible role here in ensuring these people that attempt to prevent the truth by screaming trolling should be punished so that they no longer use this tool of deception.


One should be REQUIRED to present the EXACT and PRECISE piece of information they are referring to as trolling and provide a clear and conclusive debunking of that information. Once they have conclusively debunked that information as false. Then after that point it can be called out as trolling and reported to mods for a punishment.

Any attempts to discredit central points other than public and fair debate should be prevented. It is clearly sub optimal and in many serious cases dangerous to the reader.

Perhaps a 6 month signature ban for any person that tries to discredit observable instances as trolling would be a sensible start. If you want to claim a person is trolling (in relation to behaviors/instances documented in black and white on this forum) you must be able to conclusively debunk the information you specifically call out as trolling.

This would need to be a CONCLUSIVE and undeniable debunking. An observable instance can never meet the sensible criteria of trolling it is impossible. It could be off topic or irrelevant ( that would need to be considered) but it can never be called be termed as trolling. Certain members need to be taught that screaming trolling in response to undeniable independently verifiable observable instances is not acceptable and is indeed deceptive and in many cases deliberately so.

Your trolling is going unpunished, so why should people calling out your trolling be any different?

Your entire post because you want other people punished for calling out your trolling, which is a pretty troll worthy thing to suggest.

Simply being incorrect is not the same as trolling.

quoting this to demonstrate the kind of crazy situation that is being permitted here.

Can you present the central points of ours that you can clearly debunk so that you can demonstrate it is trolling.

Failure to do so should result clearly demonstrate that you are given a warning for false accusation of trolling.

This entire TROLLING trolling is getting crazy.

People like the above moron just blurts out false accusations based and reliant on prior false accusations LOL

Then a total strawman to end with.

Knowingly proliferating false and incorrect clearly debunked information is trolling according to the board rules. Is not the same as your final strawman.

Chipmixer must be called to recognize they are sponsoring scammer supporters and imbeciles that are not trust worthy at all. This will be our next focus. These shitposters like the above idiot, should not be humiliating themselves in public for btc dust.

Can you please keep your brainfarts in 1 thread? Thanks!

Quoted to demonstrate the kind of attempts to silence debate that would rock the status quo and push for fair and transparent standards for all posters.

I will report that as low value shit post and see what happens.

If my post gets deleted would that be an observable instance of non-corrupt moderators, proving your previous complaints as invalid?

Only in the mind an imbecile such as yourself would that provide such proof. It may demonstrate that they are starting to realize we will highlight failures to delete undeniably low value shit posts.

If it is not deleted then we will be creating another thread to decide if such low value shit posts should be allowed to remain and the report be market bad.

Reminder to you and all others

Please keep ON TOPIC and RELEVANT to the initial post from now on. Discuss the central points and debate them or refrain from posting.

Seems like I have identified an observable instance of trolling. Please stop bullying me.

I did. Read my post above.

You want to be free to spout out nonsense without punishment, but you want other people to be punished for calling you out on your nonsense. Completely hypocritical, and to continue to demand the moderators give you special treatment to the detriment of everyone else is trolling.

Now, rather than trolling with little more than childish insults, please clearly debunk my reasoning. Failure to do so should result in you being banned, by your own logic.

This is NOT the forum definition of trolling and even if it were that does not apply to me and not you


Hence we can see from your

a/ incorrect definition of trolling per the board defintion
b/ your clear double standards
c/ your failure to realize that your comments clearly define you as an imbecile (therefore the truth)


The fact you feel someone can be observably and undeniably bias on multiple occasions, then gets called on that .......then later if they actually operate in an unbiased objective way and enforce the boards rules  THAT PROVES THEY WERE NEVER BIAS is the "brain fart" of an imbecile? start to get that now?

You are an imbecile. I know this correct and observably accurate definition of yourself does not meet with your own self image but I am helping you see the truth. I have correctly called you an imbecile and demonstrated why you are an imbecile. You see those are examples of your stupidity.

Now bring our central points that you can observably debunk and clearly demonstrate are incorrect with out doubt,  then you can call us an imbecile, and also if we repeat them again as being true you can call us a troll.

See how it works now?

Love how people can come here screaming shut up troll, keep your brainfarts contained with ZERO observable instances to support their claims or accusations. THEN cry bullying and trolling when we correctly define what you have said as the words of an imbecile and the evidence is there in your face. haha

So okay, let's DEFINE trolling in a TRANSPARENT WAY and ENFORCE IT EQUALLY ON ALL MEMBERS.

We believe the board rules regarding trolling are the most OPTIMAL for the forum. If you want to debate a different definition of trolling then you ask them to put it in the rules and it must be applied to ALL members equally.



oieoie or whatever you crap user name is.


Present the NONSENSE specifically so we can demonstrate you are the one making false claims.

We have already challenged you to present our central points that you have debunked and proven are untrue.  You have FAILED to meet that challenge.

Now oeieie either

1. accept the challenge

or

2. accept we have just debunked your claims and demonstrated you are making false allegations.


hurry up TROLL.

STOP please people stop.. life is better with this punk on ignore. every post gives him/her a ladyboner

I debunked your nonsense suggestion twice. Read both my posts above.

Now, since you failed to meet my challenge and debunk my posts above without simply throwing around insults, I trust you will follow through with your own logic and undergo a self inflicted ban for a period of 6 months. I'll be treating you as if you have.

Trolling, inflammatory and  bullying according to thenewanon ... oh wait " the new " trolling definition seems not to apply to proven scammers and their supporters.

NOW BACK ON TOPIC.

Please debate only the central points of the initial post please. Keep on topic.

As you can see now they CAN NOT PRESENT the central points of ours that they can demonstrate are clearly debunked and incorrect ( BECAUSE THEY ARE UNDENIABLY TRUE) they try to pull out some blanket definition of trolling that they can mutate to prevent people from posting the truth about them. Hence being super deceptive.


1. undeniable scammers being called scammers = true
2. People making observably false and stupid statements being called idiots and imbeciles = true
3. People supporting undeniable scammers on DT being called scammer supporters = true

compared to

1. People presenting observable instances of their scamming being called trolls = FALSE

also for consideration

People making inflammatory remarks that are untrue or they can not present very compelling evidence to corroborate  is NOT the same as a person presenting observable instances of truth that fully corroborate their inflammatory remarks.

So us calling tman a dirty scammer is inflammatory, but is supported by undeniable evidence and is net positive for honest members = TRUE AND NOT TROLLING

Tman then responding claiming that we are trolling him = UNTRUE and TROLLING US and deceiving the honest members of this forum.


Get how it works now??

We should adopt some new clear and transparent RULES that ensure the fair treatment of all members and that are optimal for this entire movement.

Let's get back on topic. We do not need to make it personal or derail this into specifics.

This can be a general rule. These fools came here to derail and discredit the idea because they likely fear any transparent and fair rules that get applied to each and every member equally.


OIEIOIE - we read your messages. Detail now exactly the central points you have debunked. No point saying errr all of it. Point to one specific point. What are you afraid of?

We just see you escaping any debate by saying " i have debunked everything you said " then running away from giving any specific details.

It seems therefore you are unwilling to really get down to a serious debate at all.  Which parts have you debunked?? demonstrate which central points and how you have clearly debunked them.

You need to first demonstrate the central points and NONSENSE you have debunked. Start there. We are waiting. This seems like trolling to us.

FALSE CLAIMS OF DEBUNKING AND NO DEBUNKING PROVIDED AFTER REPEATED REQUEST FOR PRESENTATION.  That is trolling if you can not demonstrate the central points you have clearly debunked.

This is very deceptive and certainly net negative shit posting on your part. I must call darkstar_ to answer for this kind of sponsorship on the rep section if you continue to troll endlessly and give ZERO evidence to substantiate your false claims.

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Take me now. :-*

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...Moving back on topic, I have observable proof that c******unter's assertion that I am a vixen was (at the time) untrue, and therefore an undeniable instance of the trolling he keep complaining about:



I can't wait to hear The-One-Who-Thinks-He's-Above-It-All's explanation for this. ::)

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Here you can see it: https://media.giphy.com/media/tyqcJoNjNv0Fq/giphy.gif

I think it should be this:

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Will work! :-P

However on a serious note agent fox poop is always welcome. His opinions that are not based on reasoning (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5184281.msg52479030#msg52479030) are always worth destroying in public.

1. your gender is not an observable and undeniable action on the forum. Therefore does not present a clear and undeniable piece of independently verifiable proof. If you are claiming to have a very small penis the size perhaps of a girls clit then one could be forgiven for believing you were female and they were scamming people on the advertisements right?

2. This is regarding the ACCUSATION OF TROLLING Please keep on topic.

3. If you are claiming a person is trolling you with being female when you are male. I guess you would need to present kyc to clearly debunk their claims and then if they continued with that claim they could be viewed as trolling you. Other than that I have no idea how you will attempt to demonstrate they are willfully and deliberately presenting observably and undeniably incorrect information and true.

You (not surprisingly) have not understood the concept.


Undeniable and fully independently verifiable observable instances of SCAMMING can not be compared to your "word" that you consider yourself female at this time.

The concept is here

FALSE claims of TROLLING to deceive members and to try to discredit undeniable Undeniable and fully independently verifiable observable instances of SCAMMING. 

So since you seem to need specifics here to give a demonstration. Don't run away.

This statement for instance.

Tman is an auction scammer.  Is this trolling or is it true foxpoop?  If it is trolling then clearly explain how you see it to be so. 
I notice people are claiming this is TROLLING. By doing so they are deliberately trying to deceive the honest members here. That is dangerous.

Answer please foxpoop. Is that statement trolling or not. I mean I know you have seen the observable and undeniable instance of it that we have detailed in the recent pages of the dirty turds thread. If you need it presented again here, just ask for it.

If it is trolling (provably untrue) then explain how that works.

We did not intend to use specific instances here but since you insist on making it immediately personal then fair enough, to hammer the point home we will gladly present statements for you to claim trolling or untrue to.

Then we can demonstrate how that is clearly different to you claiming you are not female right now.

I mean if you are going to claim that ALL information that is unverifiable is trolling then the board will have a lot less members lol.

Only information that is CONCLUSIVELY and undeniably debunked and demonstrated to be certainly UNTRUE can be used as basis for a trolling "claim".  That would have to be an action or instance that is there in black and white on this forum really.

So

Tman is an auction scammer !! - trolling or not foxpoop?  I see lots of screaming it is trolling. Here is your chance to demonstrate WHY it is grounds for a trolling claim.

Or

Nutildah was willing to facilitate scamming for 0.3 BTC.  - trolling or not ??

Foxpoop includes an auction scammer on his trust inclusions - trolling or true...

We of course none can even be trolling until they are undeniably debunked and undeniably are proven incorrect.
So for instance say you said.... I have never had tman on my trust includes. That does not immediately mean that is trolling. Only if we repeated it as if it were true would that be trolling.

So if you wish to just get back to the initial post, try to understand the concept and then carry on debating without making it personal... then I will find it in my heart not to push you to debase yourself in public trying to explain how those statements are untrue and are rather TROLLING.

We are interested in TROLLING TROLLING here. The continually presentation of a blatantly faux defense (the only one they have) by screaming trolling at Undeniable and fully independently verifiable observable instances of SCAMMING.

Want to claim trolling, demonstrate how the statements are undeniably untrue or incorrect or STFU crying trolling.

There should be punishment for deliberate deception like this, especially to shield scammers and scamming who are a direct financial high risk to the honest members here. 6 month sig bans would be a good start. Moving to perm sig bans if they continue.



 

If you don't want those pictures to start appearing as an avatar campaign, I suggest you send 1 BTC to the usual place...

Don't know about that. I've observed it several times.

I would say we make a good start and you get for every Shitpost and thread you have done in the last year 1 Month that you will be get banned !
So its possible maybe after that you will stop crying and complaing about always the same thing .

Thought it will be maybe something better but i can see the same shit as always .

Back on Ignore.

Haha can you get any dumber?? that is the challenge I have been setting all along. Just present the central points of ours regarding you and your scamming pals or the systems of control that you can conclusively debunk and BOOM if we continue to proliferate those same central points as being true you have some TROLLING to report.

Get on with it scabby little exit scamming exchange pusher.

Make your good start.

No point BEGGING us to stop presenting observable instances of scamming AKA "stop crying and complaing about always the same thing ."

Beg more scumbag.

Now back on topic please. FALSE accusations of trolling should be punished. If you scream trolling then clearly point out the central points that you have conclusively debunked and inform the person they should not repeat that information as true.

If you scream trolling at undeniable and independently verifiable observable instances of scamming. You should be punished and given red trust for trying to cover up undeniable scamming. You are placing in danger other honest members here.

Is that what you are trying to do lafu??

Got to love the defense here by these scumbags claiming. " we should be able to claim undeniable observable instances of scamming  are trolling, hereby claiming they are untrue" therefore deceiving other members and covering up these scams... and there should be no punishment for doing so??  Oh really??

Look how

1. they fail to present EVEN one central point regarding their scamming, or scammer supporting or even the short falls of the systems of control  NOT ONE have they debunked conclusively or even made a credible attempt to debunk (because it is impossible)

2. trying to derail and detract with any tactics they can

3. when I pull them to specifics they run away.

scum bags. Get their sigs taken away at a minimum. Let's see what kind of REAL enthusiasts they are here. Surely they will continue to contribute without sigs for just a few months right?? 

These are of course quotes of perfectly sane conversations that shows that you are not trolling at all.  ::) (Sarcasm)


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Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5170789.0

Of course it is. That picture (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5196347.msg52894202#msg52894202) I posted for contest leaves very little to the imagination, even if some people (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5196347.msg52900077#msg52900077) weren't quite familiar with what they were observing. (In their defense, shemales are more popular in pornography than hefemales.) Certain members of the merit/trust gang have also done a lot more than just "observe" my gender, as you and your "pal" c******unter often point out as supposed evidence of impropriety.

Misgendering people is a very common and extremely not-nice form of trolling. You should be ashamed of yourself. :(

I don't need to prove my gender to you. Only those in the merit/trust gang are entitled to such proof.

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I haven't seen it. I hereby ask for you to present it again here.

That wimp backed out of the deal, so obviously he wasn't as "willing" as you claim.

Who is the alleged auction scammer on my trust inclusions?

thankfully xtraelv has turned up to assist us

Clearly providing examples of how assisting people to find the truth is completely different to deliberately trying to mislead people and protect scammers.

So his examples like


smarmacist a sneaky snake like fool who lectures others on shitposting whilst sneakily and greedily using a sockpuppet to plaster his racist garbage everywhere for extra btc dust.

This is helping people to see the truth and therefore net positive

vs

screaming trolling at undeniable and independently verifiable observable instances of scamming is deceiving people and trying to hide the truth and is net negative.

Hiding the truth and presenting the truth are very different. Well done xtraelv. Thanks for assisting us.

@ foxy

Of course we would love to. The nutildah excuse we will pull apart next but let us stick with TMAN first.

I mean it is in the initial post of the dirty turds poll

Seems Tman also is not above a bit of scamming directly when it suits him (we quote OG below who discovered this)

"TMAN used minerjones to anonymously auction a KIALARA and then attempted to manipulate the auction by stating, "wow this has to be a record low for a sub #100 serial. if I didn't have so many I would be snapping this up"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1931778.msg19286369#msg19286369

Admission it was his auction:
"Dude I haven't crossed paths with OG in over 6 months, it wasn't until he derailed my auction hosted by MJ that this kicked off."
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1946142.msg19349060#msg19349060 "

That does not even mention the observable instances of trying to threaten and silence people giving their honest appraisal during the auction of his own coin.


Tman is an auction scammer.  TROLLING Or TRUE.

If trolling then detail here how deliberate deception for direct financial gain is not scamming?

We see lots of screaming that is trolling. We can certainly go to nutildah next but one scamming piece of shit at a time. We have plenty of time.

Apologies tman for dredging up the fact you are an undeniable scammer over again, but your pals insist it becomes personal.

Nutildah it seems you are next ;) willful and deliberate scam facilitator for pay. Or is that trolling?? we shall find out now that agent foxpoop is on the case.


@xtraelv (read above also) but please no more help from you until agent foxpoop is done ...unfair of us to gang up on him. Just wait until he is finished then you can assist further.

Playing The One Ass All game here as he is on ignore... my word this time is TROLLING...

how am I doing here guys?

Described it in one word. You could of course have said it is undeniable, independently verifiable observable instances of trolling by TOAA. He was also voted as the biggest troll on the recent bitcointalk troll poll.   It means it was observed and independently verified by those that voted.  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5168331.20)

I wasn't feeling any other of the standard words this time dude, I wonder how many posts it will take till I cant guess a word that is included. The One Ass All really is as useless as a chocolate tea kettle

Don't you think you should mention those observable instances, if indeed they exist? Until then...

Sorry, I don't see anything like that here. Guess I'll have to go with "trolling".

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Congratulations, you won the grand prize: a romantic dinner and movie in the foxhole for you and (optionally) a feline companion of your choice. :P

Whoop - no need for anyone else, we can fingerbang each others anus's in an OBSERVABLE way and send this OBSERVABLE TRUTH in picture form to cryptocunter.

@tman

If your ears are burning and you can't keep away from our threads and you want to keep pretending that we are on ignore (although you are compelled to come to our threads) and you want to play the guessing game. Then just guess " scammer" and you will win everytime.

The prize is you look like a terrified little scamming bitch trying to derail.


@xtraDIV

you see there a net positive and sensible correct indication that you xtraelv are an imbecile and useful idiot. Net positive nod to the reader to treat all that you splurge out here as if it is moronic spew.

Now to address your point and use it to prove OUR OWN POINT (thanks again our fav fool)

We have challenged ANY and ALL that voted to present the central points of ours concering their scamming, scammer supporting or the flaws in the systems of control that they can conclusively debunk as INCORRECT.

They have failed to do so. Therefore their voting as "troll" someone they can not bring even ONE central point they have debunked does indeed confirm the need to punish those trying to mislead the honest members here whilst placing them in danger with their scamming pals that they support.

Take your time to digest before assisting again.

@agent foxpoop

So to be clear you have read the entire auction debacle where tman is UNDENIABLY trying to deceive others for financial gain and claim you see no attempt at deception there??

Can you explain this comment.. knowing and accepting ( as it is undeniable)  that this is tmans coins he is auctioning via his friend minerjones

"TMAN used minerjones to anonymously auction a KIALARA and then attempted to manipulate the auction by stating, "wow this has to be a record low for a sub #100 serial. if I didn't have so many I would be snapping this up"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1931778.msg19286369#msg19286369

Just for fun foxpoop, let me here your explanation of how making that statement ( and the other statements to OG to shut up when he gave his fair appraisal of the market for these items)is not deception for clear financial gain.

Is this going to be another agent foxpoop classic. Is this " trolling" opinion also NOT BASED on reasoning??

Can't wait to hear how he would buy his own coin from himself if he did not have so many...well snapping it up since it is a record low hahha hahahah

Go on hit us with the explanation for this one.... can hardly wait....haha

What is more fun, rubbing scammers faces in their own scamming dirt over and over with the help of their scammer supporting pals

or

Watching the scammer supporters make up more and more ludicrous excuses and explanations whilst helping drag their scamming pals through their own scamming dirt over and over.

haha got to be option 2 ... especially when xldiv and agent foxpoop are around lol

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It seems to be distinctly lacking in the false objective statements of fact that are typically required for something to be deceptive. It looks like pure subjective opinion to me, and naturally I don't need to remind you where those come from.

sorry foxy not ignoring you.. but,

The Orifice Ass Association game is back on... going to just go with my name this time TMAN!!!! figure the fool might be trying hard to catch me out by now. 

Haha please drill down.

So you think Tman really would have bought the coin FROM HIMSELF because it would be such a GREAT DEAL FOR HIM at that low of a price. The only small matter was tman already had to many so he would NOT buy it from himself at that record low price and had to miss out on that brilliant deal...haha

Explain please your reasoning on this.

Can you tell me MORE about the requirements to be DECEPTIVE?  

So tell it like you are tman coming to HIS OWN COINS auction that he has asked his friend to auction for him (for some reason).

So you are TMAN and you come to the under cover tman auction thread.... start there so I can get the full agent foxpoop story line.

Just so we are clear... agent F. You accept deception for financial gain = scamming you just don't believe tman was trying to deceive people? is that where we are???  

Of course not, because that's not what was said. Got any better word pretzels (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5182903.msg52402020#msg52402020) for me? This one's gone stale. :(

Wauw another thread with waste of time, walls of text .....

 ::)

fuck me cant escape it, cannot even imagine why I am dignifying this shit with an answer but, check my fucking trust wall you toilet bowl licking, animal fucking, foreskin sucking, ball munching, cottaging retard. See all my trades, does it look like I would need to buy shit back from myself?  now also look at my negative trust from OG for what happened - check the date and check the date of the thread, also check his negatives from me, then take the time to read our posts to each other at the time. If that isn't proof that no one else believed I was trying to get financial gain at the time I do not know what is.

ohh and The Oracle As Anal, you are on ignore so I will not see your response, but if anyone else wants to quote anything relevant that has not been posted before I will more than happy reply to that post.

Peace out sugar tits

Please just present you story of what happened in full so we can stop beating around the bush. Just come out with the full explanation of how it went down in your opinion. You always have the " my opinions are not based upon reasoning" to fall back on. So nothing to worry about.

So again

You are tman, you come to your coins auctions auction thread ( that you have asked your pal to auction for you for some reason) and boom you are off agent foxpoop .. explain how it went down that is not a simple case of a under cover deception and manipulation to talk the price up whilst also threatening and telling people to fuck off who voice their honest appraisal of that market.

The entire story please... off you go.

@tman...is that you again? haha what about finding you on one of our threads you ignore. Please save your hilarious explanation until foxpoop has finished. We will have our fun with you later tourettes poet. Please do yourself a favor though do not try to copy the good agents version of events that would be a terrible move...haha


anyway foxpoop is tman now turning up to his own coins auction that he has got his pal to auction for him (for some reason)... here we go... foxpoop you are up take it from here ..

So you notice the price of your own coin (in an undercover auction by your pal miner jones) is a bit low for your liking...." a record low" in fact... what do you do next??

The entire story's right there in the thread. Go ask your mother if you want it read to you.

You seem to be refusing to give your reasoning on how it went down that demonstrates no deception therefore not scamming.

Please present your reasoning, failure to do so means you refuse to drill down and explain your reasoning clearly. Hence you seem to be foxpooping again.

So again, you are Tman coming to your own coins auction (that he has got his pals to auction for him for some reason) and spot the coin is at apparently at a " record low price"...

Now you're off foxpoop.... you are going to present the reasoning that clearly demonstrates there was deception for financial gain.

Please stop refusing to explain your reasoning it sounds like you are afraid to drill down on this ...

We were expecting a funny story you can not disappoint us like this.

Don't leave it to Tman to defend himself the poor scamming wretch. Don't do him like that agent F.

I mean leaving with another " my opinions are not based on reasoning"  uppercut  in TMANs dumb scamming  face is very cruel after the build up.

Done. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5201436.msg53084415#msg53084415) Next?

Can and will. Get used to it.

Please stop refusing to describe in detail how you (taking the place of tman in his auction scam) were reasoning when you came to the auction of your own coin ( that you got your pal to auction for some reason)  when you spot it is at an apparently "RECORD LOW PRICE" and then what you did next ...

Why are you refusing?? we want the funny story of how it is not a deception for financial gain. Hurry up and stop refusing to provide some agent fox poop classic entertainment.

Looks just like you are very scared to present the " then tman..." version of events because it will be just too ludicrous even for a agent foxpoop explanation...haha no no that is not even possible after that phone thing.

Come on foxy... so you are tman, you're there at your coins auction you have asked your pal to auction for you and the price looks a bit on the low side " record low"........take us through it step by step...

You never shy from a funny story usually.... come on let us have it, spray us all down baby....hahah


Tourettes poet still here hey....haha applying merits to fox poops running away...

Our loyal fans and supporters always ready to ensure our threads get lots of nice attention haha nom nom nom

If The-Ass-Above-All was actually interested in objective verifiable evidence then rather than being blatantly lazy and demanding answers from others they would show that numerous sub 100 serial numbered coin sold for less prior to the auction.
Absence of such information makes it a subjective assumption based on bias.

It is up to the accuser to provide the proof.

EDIT:

Much higher serial number #240 that sold for more (0.7) by the buyer of the Kialara silver #75 offered by minerjones for (0.61) around the exact same time:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1932200.0

EDIT:

HMM you may be on to something. I think OG nasty was trying to reveal JUST THAT kind of thing to people before tman started threatening him and telling him to STFU. Well done xtraelv.... you don't give these scammers  an inch do you, although that is not as important as you may think really.

So you are now claiming tman was lying about the record low price? or it was a record low price when he said it? or was it?I mean we were just quoting what he said himself... Of course we did not look at it because it does not matter.. Although if you have caught him lying also that is a good effort.

However, the latest of your funny excuses means nothing (well only to a useful idiot such as yourself). Unless you are trying to dispute people (even honest ones not auction scammers like tman) certainly like to get more rather than less for their items they are auctioning.

This is further supported by him telling OG to shut up and GTFO when OG gave a his fair appraisal that the coin was already perhaps over priced.  Please stop humiliating yourself over and over. It is giving the game away.

The undeniable evidence is there. Only a moron and scammer protector such as yourself would leap from one failed excuse to the next. The reader should start reading here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5170789.msg52994658#msg52994658 or back track a few pages for the XLdiv collection of moronic excuses and desperate scammer protecting. Even when challenged multiple times TMAN would not deny it was scamming. However now he has agent fox poop he is starting to form some funny story we will milk for all it is worth at a later stage.


I mean it is very simple XLDIV all you have to do is.... walk us through it step by step as if you were tman ...don't let tman down here.

Men your shitwall of Text and write has nothing to do with the Forum on his one !

Looks like again a personal thing with others , or why are you so fucking horny about tman ?

Every thread you start ends up in the same .

Move it to the Scam Accusations or Reputaion !

Ohhh wait , no let it here so everybody have everyday a nice Lough about your brainless posting .

He won't because he doesn't have the ability to put a coherent scam accusation with evidence together.

Just generalized abusive word walls full of accusations AKA trolling.

As Owlcatz put it elegantly:


I've highlighted in bold the parts I completely agree with.

https://i.imgur.com/RYWlR9m.png

I've highlighted the instructions for using the trust list.

The One above all, do you have a job? I am seriously worried about the state of your mental health, are you so diabetic that your own blood is rotting away your brain cells? Or are you intentionally trying to be a fuck up didly doo at everyone's face because your main account would have some "content" to respond to or make fun of?

Seriously, if this is your form of entertainment then you need a therapist. NO! pay attention now, I did not say THE RAPIST, I said THERAPIST. Get one as soon as possible and perhaps most, if not all of your delusions will go away.

His main account is 'cryptohunter'.

Well, what a lovely weekend we've had.

Anyway, I have to say this is all very disappointing. I had expected better even from this bunch of low functioning fools.

The reader should note that xtraelv seems to have been adding some edits now LOL kind of diminishing and debunking his original weak and meaningless point.

Let's start with xtraelv (who else haha)

So let's start with his latest bungle.

Claiming that Tman is an auction scammer = TROLLING according to xtraelv the scammer supporter.

Let's analyze his claim.

Trolling = the deliberate proliferation of conclusively debunked information as being true, aka claiming things are true  that are proven to be false or claiming things are false that are proven to be true.

Scammer = using deception or lies for financial gain.

Hmmm so he must be claiming Tman is undeniably proven to NOT have been attempting to deceive people for financial gain??

This is quite hilarious because although anyone can say " tman was not being deceptive for financial gain"  I mean you can say ANYTHING you want.  We have given them multiple challenges to provide an ALTERNATIVE of tmans actions by becoming tman and describing in DETAIL how he was not attempting to be deceptive for financial gain.

EACH TIME THEY HAVE RUN AWAY FROM DOING SO.

So therefore not only have they NOT proven that the tman is an auction scammer is CONCLUSIVELY and undeniably debunked and untrue (required for it to be trolling) they have not even managed to provide ONE alternative to our claim that would stand up to scrutiny. I mean they have not even DARED to present one alternative because they know we will rip it to pieces.

SO now what does this mean??

It clearly means that they are TROLLING TROLLING and attempting to cast the undeniable and independently verifiable observable instances of tmans auction scamming  as TROLLING

Thank you xtraelv for clearly demonstrating a NEED to punish those attempting to support scammers and endanger honest members of this forum.

Now present your ALTERNATIVE explanation for tmans actions OTHER THAN CLEAR DECEPTION FOR FINANCIAL GAIN or accept I will use this as a KEY example of trolling trolling and present this precise example to theymos in public and ask for comment on this kind of disgusting and untrustworthy scammer supporting here.

So again... You are tman , you have asked your pal to auction this coin for you ( for some reason) and you come to the auction ....how does it go down that is NOT deception for financial gain.

Hurry up you dumb shits. It is boring to crush your scammer supporting little minds in public repeatedly.#


@ the other turd word scanks that are blurting out garbled nonsense like lafu ( the promoter and employee of exit scamming exchanges) and  legendster https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5176043.0 , please bring some substance with your massacre of the English language.  Thenoobnobody2143123 is an alt of one of the other fortunejack shit pumpers like lauda, tman, or one of those dregs.

Please PM theymos with your concerns.

Are you concerned actmyname?

I mean specifically with independently verifiable instances of auction scamming being cast off as trolling when presented?

Just to be clear on your own position ?

There are 4 categories of people !

1. There are normal people !

2. There are stupid people in this world !

3. Then there are the extremely stupid people !

4. And then there are the people who come with the short pants in the bicycle chain !

You are definitely in the category number 4

My personal opinions should not affect your decision.
If you have an issue to discuss, privately messaging theymos would be the best way to create a change.
If they do not happen to respond, then it must mean one of two things:

1) your issue is not an issue notwithstanding your vehemence.
2) theymos is ignoring your issue, consciously or not.

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If your plan was to facilitate community discussion then you would certainly avoid any and all ad-hominem approaches to discourse, of which the thread has several examples.

To continue with a thread in which your are berated and shuffled into indignation and responses that disengage your from your original premise would be an act of insanity - repeating that which has been seen in anticipation of a divergent result.

You missed out (or more likely can't comprehend numbers above 4)

5. Turd world desperate scum bags that will support scammers and feltch anyone in public who will drop them a merit or 2.

6. Morons that promote and work for exit scamming exchanges.

7. Divs that have achieved NOTHING of note that try to lecture those that have accomplished a great deal.

you would quality for 3-7 of course.



Can you please keep on topic and relevant, or even failing that keep to making claims that stand up to mild scrutiny.

Now please can you and xtraelv continue your brilliant guide to ensuring peoples exchange accounts are never compromised ... were these the same tips that cryptopia were following by any chance??

Imagine following anything this couple of observably low functioning plebs say haha...



@actymyname..

Please see our response to a similar point that you have made on our other thread.

Lets replace that with an actual definition of trolling:
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Then in that context look at your post:

So rather than keep to a definition that is objectively enforceable and sensible  to ensure only information that is presented as true is true. You want a definition that means the mods would need complete knowledge of every members life to enforce that is therefore meaningless and valueless. Anything could be inflammatory if you have personal knowledge of a persons life that may not even seem inflammatory to other readers at all. Trolling  from a forums perspective is only objectively enforceable using the forums definition in the rules as they are now.

I mean it is clear that you are afraid of needing to demonstrate any of our central points have been debunked, aka you know you can not debunk them because they are observable instances and are true.

You can't debunk them ( because they are true) so you want  definition where they can be true and have value but be called trolling because it is inflammatory to call scammers and scammer supporters... filthy skanky scammers or disgusting shit stain ass kissing scammer supporters. haha

Clearly trying to weasel out of the requirement of demonstrating they can debunk or demonstrate our central points are incorrect.

Can't debunk an observable instance or demonstrate it is incorrect =  THEN IT IS NOT TROLLING - got it scammer supporter.

Claiming independently verifiable observable instances are TROLLING when you know you can not debunk them is TROLLING TROLLING and should be punished to prevent this method of hiding, obscuring, derailing and generally trying to cast doubt upon the truth that you know you can not debunk because it is TRUE.

Take these scammers supporters sigs away and watch them squeal like the weasels they are.

So here we have it, there is no credible and valid objection from them to being called scammers or scammer supporters, it seems like just don't like being called filthy dirty skanky scammers or degenerate asskissing servile scummy scam supporters.

Tough shit scum bags.

Rather than using a made up definition that suits your narrative I simply suggested using a definition that is more universally accepted as trolling.

Your comments clearly show that you have no understanding of the forum rules or forum ethos.

The moderators haven't removed your obvious condescending posts that attempt to insult yet you are advocating removing or banning anyone that calls you a troll. Which would be censorship. Something you claim is bad.

All indicators show that your expletive laden word walls are nothing other than trolling. They show your argument to be contradictory and weak.This is easily proven by the lack of others supporting you (other than "we" and alts)  in any of your threads.

Everything indicates towards you being an angry entitled young child that still lives at home with mommy. Your demeanor shows you get an observable thrill from inflaming people. You contradictory statements show you have no real ethos. Clearly a narcissistic troll that is still lives with their mommy. Lacking any real social skills.

A made up definition ? by the forum?? haha

Suits our narrative? is this more time travelling? maybe we are theymos? and decided that definition and rule suited our narrative in the future when we decided to use it. Like now.

I think we already debunked the usefulness of trying to employ the undeniably universally accepted definition of trolling on an anonymous forum. You would need total knowledge of every single member to correctly recognize and verify trolling which perhaps even you may realize is impossible. I mean SS for all of his lemon induced crazyness did correctly realize that what one member knows inflames another may seem neutral or ludicrous to other members. Like enjoying lemon tea for example. How would a mod be able to correctly analyse and be on the lookout for such comments. Hence the clear and USEFUL and objectively verifiable definition the board chooses to implement and rule upon. Sorry if that does not suit YOUR narrative. Which even if it DID would define everyone on this thread and the DT thread as trolls and see them all banned you fool.

Plus to deliberately inflame and punish scammers and scammer supporters is net positive for a forum and sub optimal to try to prevent it. Unless you want to place at higher risk honest members? That is clearly what you seek to do.

We like to watch how you lurch from one debunked point to another with no shame or perhaps no real realization of what you are doing haha. It is simply like triggering you to self abuse and self harm over and over again. We can hardly wait for your next viscous attack upon yourself. We keep trying to give you opportunities to stop degrading and debasing yourself in public but you just keep fighting on for your right to self denigrate yourself. It is becoming less satisfactory but at least you keep dragging all those scammers along through the mud with you so we are powerless to stop our selves allowing you to do so haha

Please stop, it is upsetting to see you like this xtraelv. We have little empathy for scammer supporters like you but this is now cruel to watch. Just stop defending and supporting your scammer pals for a second. Even they must be begging you to stop ahah

"The moderators haven't removed your obvious condescending posts that attempt to insult yet you are advocating removing or banning anyone that calls you a troll. Which would be censorship. Something you claim is bad."


Someone help this poor cretin please.

1. present the condescending posts that are clearly debunked as untrue and baseless

2. Attempt to insult? if stating the truth is also insulting then ....haha sorry about that.

3. banning, removing people?? calls me a troll??  - err do you mean banning sigs on those that try to claim that observable instances of scamming are TROLLING and therefore placing honest members at financial high risk?? yes they should be punished their sigs won't prevent them from contributing will it?

4. Stopping people supporting, protecting and excusing those that are scamming others, or punishing them is censorship you say? well that may be so but refraining someone from taking your stealing your things may be selfish and invading their personal space.... this is where you call agent foxpoop in he will back you up for sure. I mean the board rules clearly say, that deliberate proliferation of debunked or incorrect information as true is trolling. So you claiming that observable instances are trolling aka untrue meets that direct defintion does it not? so you must be warned and then if you continue must face a punishment.

Condescending ? is that in the rules?

Calling a proven scammer a filthy dirty piece of shit scammer.... is that in the rules??

Calling a scammer protector and excuse provider  an ass licking low down sickening drooling scum bag scammer supporter... is that in the rules??

I don't think correctly associating negative actions with negative words that correctly sums them up is against the rules is it?

"All indicators show that your expletive laden word walls are nothing other than trolling. They show your argument to be contradictory and weak.This is easily proven by the lack of others supporting you (other than "we" and alts)  in any of your threads. "


There are no valid indicators as we keep debunking every single one of your points haha
No contradiction, no weakness.
LOL at meta board beneficiaries of the status quo not supporting changing anything = proof haha  

How about the LACK of debunking any of our central points bozo ?? haha The observable instances require ZERO support. Get that into your thick skull.

Everything indicates towards you being an angry entitled young child that still lives at home with mommy. Your demeanor shows you get an observable thrill from inflaming people. You contradictory statements show you have no real ethos. Clearly a narcissistic troll that is still lives with their mommy. Lacking any real social skills.

Inflammatory comments ... trolling, please stop, haha

No denying that crushing, humiliating and generally degrading (if that is possible)  scammers and scammer supporters like xtraelv  is pleasurable and satisfying. Nom nom nom.

Again NO contradictory statements. No trolling ( as per the board sensible definition, that we keep using for our own personal gain haha)

LOVE HOW THESE IDIOTS SCREAM FOR BANNING PEOPLE THEY FALSELY ACCUSE OF BEING A TROLL ( but can provide even ONE instance where they have debunked their central points) . THEN CRY WHEN YOU WANT THE BOARDS RULES ( that clearly can be demonstrated to define them as trolling scum bags) ON TROLLING TO APPLY TO THEM AND ONLY HAVE THEIR SIGS TAKEN AWAY.... haha  the real bitcoin enthusiasts are here. LOL


So they incorrectly and deliberately  call your posts trolling and THEY continually BEG for your ban

then when you

Correctly demonstrate the boards rules clearly define their actions as trolling and they should just have a sig ban

THEY COMPLAIN THAT YOU ASK...

haha

xtraelv is the most entertaining yet. I mean nobody takes a debunking session like this dude and keeps going. Only the very most shameless self abuser could endure this. Imagine if we could get a few like him. We could use them to turn up the heat on their scamming buddies no end. The compilation xtraelv role play we are going to make in his honor will be spectacular.


Their refusal to accept trolling as the presenting as true previously conclusively debunked or incorrect information MEANS THEY KNOW AND ACCEPT they can NOT debunk any of our central points. They are accepting this now clearly. Not that this was not OBVIOUS since they all ran from any challenge to present our debunked central points time and time again.

They know they are scammers, they know they are scammer supporters. They are trying to claim these observable instances are trolling and leverage that to beg for a ban to silence whistle blowing again.  Not that that would even work. You can not prevent the presentation of observable instances of wrong doing in your post histories. You have done wrong, you must face the fact people can mention it and should continuously mention it whilst you are in positions of trust.

Get them out.