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Title: Do you think Gavin Andresen will make a comeback?
Post by: Abiky on November 15, 2019, 09:54:12 PM
Gavin Andresen was known to be one of the most "iconic" Bitcoin developers in the pioneer cryptocurrency's early days. After he talked about Craig Wright being Satoshi, he disappeared. Some time ago (around 1 or 2 years ago), he worked on something related to Bitcoin Cash (which you can see on his Github page). But after that, there hasn't been any activity related to Mr. Andresen whatsoever.

Do you think by any chance he'll make a comeback into the world of crypto? He could be real useful for making either Bitcoin or Bitcoin Cash stronger than ever before. I know that we already have many talented developers working on both projects, but Gavin is skillful and knowledgeable about Blockchain since he's been a pioneer in the industry.

What do you think? ??


Title: Re: Do you think Gavin Andresen will make a comeback?
Post by: franky1 on November 15, 2019, 09:59:52 PM
gavin way back in 2011-12 said he would be retiring from the project after 3-5 years.. so the whole leaving core and stuff was all planned.

i dont see him returning and being allowed to be part of core for obvious reasons. so he will just work on other projects if he got bored of retirement

by the way. the gavin/faketoshi drama. was just media entertainment. not the real reason he left


Title: Re: Do you think Gavin Andresen will make a comeback?
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on November 15, 2019, 10:18:53 PM
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but Gavin is skillful and knowledgeable about Blockchain since he's been a pioneer in the industry.
Being pioneer in the industry does not mean that you are still perform as you did. I used to be we developer long ago and I was really good but I have left that sector long ago. Now when I see these days programmers and developers I sometimes feels myself really outdated and most of them are out of my scope.

My point is that technology changes every single day and if you are keeping yourself up to date with these and are not consistence then being a pioneer is not going to give you any advantage. Bitcoin community evolved and even person like Satoshi can not make much impact anymore. Bitcoin is not a one node or few nodes. It's thousands nodes and millions are into it.


Title: Re: Do you think Gavin Andresen will make a comeback?
Post by: dothebeats on November 15, 2019, 10:28:42 PM
He’s probably not going to return to the whole scene since he already left, plus the fact that he’s into other projects and is quite fruitful and satisfied there. Perhaps he’s been doing some minor checks here and there in bitcoin’s code but to be a full-time dev is already out of the question for him. But yeah, we don’t know how people in retirement’s mind works. First they can tell you that they’re so done and the next time when they’re bored, they’ll go back to what they’ve been doing previously.


Title: Re: Do you think Gavin Andresen will make a comeback?
Post by: dkbit98 on November 15, 2019, 11:24:53 PM
He is now part of bcash team, and I think that they have a lot of problems with their latest bcash hardfork, so he is busy  ;D
More time he spends with Roger, less are the chances to see him back working on Bitcoin.


Title: Re: Do you think Gavin Andresen will make a comeback?
Post by: DarkDays on November 15, 2019, 11:53:42 PM
As one of the earliest pioneers in the industry, Gavin is likely exorbitantly rich by now.

He has probably also already accomplished his goals of producing a truly decentralized economy. As such, why would he come back? There is nothing left for him here.

The industry has been set on the path he planned for, it is best if he sits at the sidelines and watches it flourish without him being a centralized guiding force.


Title: Re: Do you think Gavin Andresen will make a comeback?
Post by: newIndia on November 16, 2019, 12:11:54 AM
Coming back to Bitcoin Core will be massively difficult and challenging to Gavin, as he'll receive enormous setback from the existing devs. He'll most likely be welcome to Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin SV though.


Title: Re: Do you think Gavin Andresen will make a comeback?
Post by: Kyraishi on November 16, 2019, 12:31:20 AM
Gavin Andresen was known to be one of the most "iconic" Bitcoin developers in the pioneer cryptocurrency's early days. After he talked about Craig Wright being Satoshi, he disappeared. Some time ago (around 1 or 2 years ago), he worked on something related to Bitcoin Cash (which you can see on his Github page). But after that, there hasn't been any activity related to Mr. Andresen whatsoever.

Do you think by any chance he'll make a comeback into the world of crypto? He could be real useful for making either Bitcoin or Bitcoin Cash stronger than ever before. I know that we already have many talented developers working on both projects, but Gavin is skillful and knowledgeable about Blockchain since he's been a pioneer in the industry.

What do you think? ??
He planned his retirement, I'm not sure of the exact reasons, but it was pretty clear that he was going to return around 2015, and even the Craig Wright nonsense just seemed like fucking with the media, not a reason for his departure.

He could be working hard, every day, trying to fork BTC into the new biggest coin that goes mainstream and makes it big, but I doubt it, he's likely just enjoying life and screwing around with his other project as a hobby.


Title: Re: Do you think Gavin Andresen will make a comeback?
Post by: tsaroz on November 16, 2019, 12:54:36 AM
Gavin Andresen was known to be one of the most "iconic" Bitcoin developers in the pioneer cryptocurrency's early days. After he talked about Craig Wright being Satoshi, he disappeared. Some time ago (around 1 or 2 years ago), he worked on something related to Bitcoin Cash (which you can see on his Github page). But after that, there hasn't been any activity related to Mr. Andresen whatsoever.

Do you think by any chance he'll make a comeback into the world of crypto? He could be real useful for making either Bitcoin or Bitcoin Cash stronger than ever before. I know that we already have many talented developers working on both projects, but Gavin is skillful and knowledgeable about Blockchain since he's been a pioneer in the industry.

What do you think? ??

Gavin Andresen failed to maintain his spotlight career on crypto development. He's still active crypto person but he is not involved in any major crypto development.
His was advocating for betterment of bitcoin network. His right to commit was revoked for claiming Craig Wright the real satoshi nakamoto and supported bitcoincash.


Title: Re: Do you think Gavin Andresen will make a comeback?
Post by: Darker45 on November 16, 2019, 02:00:56 AM
He has made his mark on Bitcoin and the bigger cryptocurrency space already. He needs some rest away from the enormous yet still growing project. He was the single man who Satoshi hand-picked himself for taking over Bitcoin when Satoshi decided to leave the project for good. He must have seen a lot of knowledge, capacity, and potential in Gavin for choosing him to take over his place. It was not an easy thing to do, passing your masterpiece to someone else. And I think Gavin deserves some credit for keeping it alive and well after the creator left.   


Title: Re: Do you think Gavin Andresen will make a comeback?
Post by: Eugenar on November 16, 2019, 02:26:13 AM
Gavin Andersen is basically the chief scientist of bitcoin before. If we are to evaluate bitcoin now, all are working smoothly, if innovations are needed, there are people already capable to provide updates to bitcoin. The task of Gavin as the chief scientist isn't necessary today as there is no reason for him to comeback unless a huge software maintenance is needed when bitcoin's technology has been compromised. So far, I see the reason why Gavin isn't in Bitcoin today is there is other works to accomplish for him to make his time efficient.


Title: Re: Do you think Gavin Andresen will make a comeback?
Post by: Shasha80 on November 16, 2019, 02:27:22 AM
I think Gavin Andresen really retired from the bitcoin project, as he said. And he is also one of the richest people with the bitcoin
that he has at the moment, in my opinion there is no reason why he should return. Even though we know the ability and his knowledge
of bitcoin is great. But everyone has the right to decide the best for himself, so as Gavin Andresen who decided to retire, we all have to
respect the decision he made.


Title: Re: Do you think Gavin Andresen will make a comeback?
Post by: crwth on November 16, 2019, 02:36:11 AM
Just like everybody said, why would he come back?

The possibility of that would be minimal, but the best thing he could do is probably consult different types of blockchain-related projects, knowing that he has a solid background, being one of the developers who started all of these Cryptos.

If you want to check out different articles about him I saw this on the web.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/cointelegraph.com/tags/gavin-andresen/amp


Title: Re: Do you think Gavin Andresen will make a comeback?
Post by: figmentofmyass on November 16, 2019, 02:51:52 AM
Do you think by any chance he'll make a comeback into the world of crypto? He could be real useful for making either Bitcoin or Bitcoin Cash stronger than ever before. I know that we already have many talented developers working on both projects, but Gavin is skillful and knowledgeable about Blockchain since he's been a pioneer in the industry.

i figure he's been keeping a low profile because "time heals all wounds". at some point, he will probably resurface and engage in some kind of underhanded campaign like bitcoin XT or bitcoin classic again.

he doesn't have much to add at this point. bitcoin moved beyond gavin a long time ago.


Title: Re: Do you think Gavin Andresen will make a comeback?
Post by: bounceback on November 16, 2019, 04:05:45 AM
Do you think by any chance he'll make a comeback into the world of crypto? He could be real useful for making either Bitcoin or Bitcoin Cash stronger than ever before. I know that we already have many talented developers working on both projects, but Gavin is skillful and knowledgeable about Blockchain since he's been a pioneer in the industry.

What do you think? ??


maybe in my opinion gavin andresen will never go back as far as we see today there are many people who are very knowledgeable about bitcoin or people who are very affected by bitcoin they disappear without certainty they will return, unlike fools today when they don't don't know what nothing about bitcoin but they always claim themselves to be fake satoshi to take advantage so that some of their projects are in demand by crypto users.


Title: Re: Do you think Gavin Andresen will make a comeback?
Post by: CryptoBry on November 16, 2019, 05:14:13 AM
Do you think by any chance he'll make a comeback into the world of crypto? He could be real useful for making either Bitcoin or Bitcoin Cash stronger than ever before. I know that we already have many talented developers working on both projects, but Gavin is skillful and knowledgeable about Blockchain since he's been a pioneer in the industry.

I am sure that just like the real Satoshi Nakamoto, this guy must have felt that he had contributed enough and it was time to go and to give new people the chance to prove their mettle regarding Bitcoin and its development. Maybe this is better this way so we will not have special people all around the coin, influencing it in its every turn and direction. Though I have to admit that there is really need for a solid leadership in the platform, most specially people who can be providing the innate understanding and comprehensive knowledge on the nuts and bolts of Bitcoin. But then again, maybe what happened can be a big blessing, in retrospect.


Title: Re: Do you think Gavin Andresen will make a comeback?
Post by: pooya87 on November 16, 2019, 05:19:18 AM
He could be real useful for making either Bitcoin or Bitcoin Cash stronger than ever before.

bitcoin cash is not something that could become strong(er) with personalities! it is fundamentally flawed as it is a poor copy of bitcoin without having anything original of its own. and that means it has no reason whatsoever to even exist.


Title: Re: Do you think Gavin Andresen will make a comeback?
Post by: mindrust on November 16, 2019, 05:23:38 AM
He was fooled by Craig Wright. At some point believed thst Craig was satoshi. A guy like that should never come near of leading a project like bitcoin. Btw it doesn't matter if really believed Craig or did it just for the moniez. The damage is done, so is Gavin.

Watch this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pNZyRMG2CjA

Gavin is a complete clown.



Title: Re: Do you think Gavin Andresen will make a comeback?
Post by: hello_good_sir on November 16, 2019, 05:58:33 AM
Just like everybody said, why would he come back?

The possibility of that would be minimal, but the best thing he could do is probably consult different types of blockchain-related projects, knowing that he has a solid background, being one of the developers who started all of these Cryptos.

If you want to check out different articles about him I saw this on the web.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/cointelegraph.com/tags/gavin-andresen/amp
I don't think that's going to be something he'll be interested it, it's fairly obvious that he is very smart, rich, and pretty influential, and the most a project can offer to him is even more fame and money which just isn't needed.

I think it's fairly likely that he will return in a couple years or so, having slowly worked on his own personal blockchain or fork of BTC, and then try and get people to use his solution, which I don't think is going to end up happening - he's been outdated.


Title: Re: Do you think Gavin Andresen will make a comeback?
Post by: Kprawn on November 16, 2019, 06:58:51 AM
Gavin Andresen has shown time and time again that he is not capable to lead such an experiment. When he gave up his role as lead developer, he

admitted that the task was to difficult for him (being responsible for Billions of Dollars invested in this technology, is very stressful) He then went

and joined Mike Hearn and they tried to do a hostile takeover with BitcoinXT and that failed miserably. Then the thing with Craig Wright (FakeToshi)

happened and that tainted his reputation to such a degree that nobody would trust his judgement to run such an important project. Just imagine

what would have happened if Craig Wright and Gavin took control of this experiment. (You would have paid royalties to Craig Wright to use the

Blockchain)  >:( :o :o


Title: Re: Do you think Gavin Andresen will make a comeback?
Post by: franky1 on November 16, 2019, 07:01:02 AM
i figure he's been keeping a low profile because "time heals all wounds". at some point, he will probably resurface and engage in some kind of underhanded campaign like bitcoin XT or bitcoin classic again.
and joined Mike Hearn and they tried to do a hostile takeover with BitcoinXT and that failed miserably.

underhanded????
hostile take over????
you really are drinking the core coolaid

gavins XT was not a client doing node ban and implementation of new rules.
gavins XT was not a client doing mandated consensus bypass
gavins XT was not a client doing anything that would disrupt the community in any controversial way.

it was using real consensus. and yes his options didnt sway favour by the core fangirls and so consensus was not reached thus nothing changed.. meaning nothing underhanded or harmful occured
basically it didnt get the vote so he didnt push.. and thats how consensus should be.

however core did do underhanded stuff. they didnt get thier segwit november 2016+ vote. so the pushed they mandated they fear campaigned they banned nodes they bypassed proper consensus to get thier segwit aug2017 activated
its why the network has become too reliant on core. and how core is actually a central point of the network now.

but hey 'all hail core' and look how people who even dare criticise core are treated.
in a fair open community if you cant criticise a leader, if the leader has no opposition, where if there were any theyd be banned/ censored, its no longer a network solving the byzantine generals problem but become a dictatorship

so if you fear criticsising core and you instead want to give them loyalty and favour them as the sole controller. then you have accepted centralisation

atleast try to actually check and research facts, and not follow the scripts of core fangirls on reddit/twitter
there is plenty of block data, plenty of code. plenty of actual facts that show that XT wouldnt have caused harm by being controversial. yet same data and facts of blockdata and nod stats and code that show that core was controversial.

but i know your just going to continue to believe the core fangirls version of events, like what most slave/loyalists to dictators do



Title: Re: Do you think Gavin Andresen will make a comeback?
Post by: bitvalak on November 16, 2019, 07:10:27 AM
I think Gavin chose to retire because he didn't want to be involved in the big player drama that is happening until now.
Maybe he is still active in the world of cryptocurrency but only behind the scenes because we know that he is one of the visionaries in cryptocurrency. There is a possibility he will return if the drama is over.


Title: Re: Do you think Gavin Andresen will make a comeback?
Post by: Google+ on November 16, 2019, 07:20:42 AM
what do you mean is to make the price of bitcoin go back up to be very expensive? I doubt that because I saw when a few years ago if he could move the price conditions of cryptocurrency there might be many traders and investors affected but I am sure they are not easy to influence anymore, traders have learned from something that has happened.


Title: Re: Do you think Gavin Andresen will make a comeback?
Post by: shoreno on November 16, 2019, 07:33:50 AM
what do you mean is to make the price of bitcoin go back up to be very expensive? I doubt that because I saw when a few years ago if he could move the price conditions of cryptocurrency there might be many traders and investors affected but I am sure they are not easy to influence anymore, traders have learned from something that has happened.

the op didnt say that (as far as i read his statement on the first page )  i think what he means when he say comeback is that the guy can showed up in public and announce something important or something good like if he will tweak the said cryptos to make them more better or more stable but i think this will also lead for thier value to grow because people will be more interested with those cryptos more evenly .


Title: Re: Do you think Gavin Andresen will make a comeback?
Post by: Kprawn on November 16, 2019, 07:35:53 AM
i figure he's been keeping a low profile because "time heals all wounds". at some point, he will probably resurface and engage in some kind of underhanded campaign like bitcoin XT or bitcoin classic again.
and joined Mike Hearn and they tried to do a hostile takeover with BitcoinXT and that failed miserably.

underhanded????
hostile take over????
you really are drinking the core coolaid

gavins XT was not a client doing node ban and implementation of new rules.
gavins XT was not a client doing mandated consensus bypass
gavins XT was not a client doing anything that would disrupt the community in any controversial way.

it was using real consensus. and yes his options didnt sway favour by the core fangirls and so consensus was not reached thus nothing changed.. meaning nothing underhanded or harmful occured
basically it didnt get the vote so he didnt push.. and thats how consensus should be.

however core did do underhanded stuff. they didnt get thier segwit november 2016+ vote. so the pushed they mandated they fear campaigned they banned nodes they bypassed proper consensus to get thier segwit aug2017 activated
its why the network has become too reliant on core. and how core is actually a central point of the network now.

but hey 'all hail core' and look how people who even dare criticise core are treated.
in a fair open community if you cant criticise a leader, if the leader has no opposition, where if there were any theyd be banned/ censored, its no longer a network solving the byzantine generals problem but become a dictatorship

so if you fear criticsising core and you instead want to give them loyalty and favour them as the sole controller. then you have accepted centralisation

atleast try to actually check and research facts, and not follow the scripts of core fangirls on reddit/twitter
there is plenty of block data, plenty of code. plenty of actual facts that show that XT wouldnt have caused harm by being controversial. yet same data and facts of blockdata and nod stats and code that show that core was controversial.

but i know your just going to continue to believe the core fangirls version of events, like what most slave/loyalists to dictators do



Hey, so you are are Gavin supporter and a Core hater and I do not blame you for that. Some people have issues with the Core guys and they go

on with their lives, but you obviously have deep seated issues with them (based on your post history and constant negative finger pointing at

them)  ::)

I on the other hand believe that the BitcoinXT thing was a blemish on the whole Bitcoin community, because a lot of underhanded things took

place back then that could simply be classified as childish. (This happened from both sides)  I do not want to go into a long debate over who is

right and who is wrong, because I know you will never budge and I will also not bend the knee (so it will just be wasting time)

Let's just leave this there and you believe what you want and I will continue to be the Core fangirl if that makes you feel better. (calling people

names)  ::)


Title: Re: Do you think Gavin Andresen will make a comeback?
Post by: samuraijin on November 16, 2019, 09:26:36 AM
maybe he was seclusion and trying to forgive himself for having said Craig Wright as Satoshi, I think he was enough to retire if he was not seen anymore, we also know Gavin often communicates with satoshi of course he has some Bitcoin in his wallet so he could have he retired early enjoying his wealth, I think without gavin bitcoin will continue to grow


Title: Re: Do you think Gavin Andresen will make a comeback?
Post by: Emitdama on November 18, 2019, 10:20:13 AM
He made a promise to retire and I think he is fulfilling his promise and if he is to come back based on his own personal decision, I think that it will be a blow to him, and also him not being a man of his word. It is just like the way satoshi disappeared, if he was not a man of his word, I am sure that he would have already long resurface but 10 years is still counting and he is still abiding by his policy, so as this man too will also do, except maybe the community feel that there is a strong reason for him to come back and that would be on a special request that he can live on.

There are other strong developers and I think that they have the power to be able to take over form where he actually stopped, so I am not sure that without him, their crypto space will not continue to grow stringer.


Title: Re: Do you think Gavin Andresen will make a comeback?
Post by: Abiky on November 20, 2019, 04:14:40 PM
Being pioneer in the industry does not mean that you are still perform as you did. I used to be we developer long ago and I was really good but I have left that sector long ago. Now when I see these days programmers and developers I sometimes feels myself really outdated and most of them are out of my scope.

My point is that technology changes every single day and if you are keeping yourself up to date with these and are not consistence then being a pioneer is not going to give you any advantage. Bitcoin community evolved and even person like Satoshi can not make much impact anymore. Bitcoin is not a one node or few nodes. It's thousands nodes and millions are into it.

Good point. Being a pioneer in something doesn't mean you'll be the best at it. You need to remain constantly updated with the latest happenings in the industry. Considering that the Blockchain industry moves at a fast pace, new things emerge every day. Gavin was a great developer back in Bitcoin's early days and could still be one if he decides to make a comeback. It's only a matter of staying "up-to-date" with everything that has happened with crypto and Blockchain technology since one's departure. The last activity related to Bitcoin Cash, may give us an indication that Gavin would continue working on BCH's side if he makes a comeback. After all, he's been always known to be a proponent of large block sizes within the Bitcoin blockchain.

I remember the day where Bitcoin XT was proposed as a solution for scaling the main BTC blockchain by accepting larger blocks than 1MB. Back then, many people were against large blocks for a very good reason (mostly centralization issues). While Bitcoin XT never came into light, the new Bitcoin Cash hard fork made a drastic change in Bitcoin's block size capacity. I would've imagined Gavin working hard on "big blocks" in order to make the alternative BTC blockchain as secure and scalable as ever. Still though, we should accept the fact that he's not an indispensable person. I believe that we shouldn't worry much about Gavin since we already have hard-working developers on both ends (Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash). Should he return, he would prove to be useful for the long-term development of BCH.

Nonetheless, I believe that Gavin's decision to abandon Bitcoin was largely because of his loss of credibility within the Blockchain industry. After all, he insisted that Craig was the real Satoshi without any evidence backing his claims. With loss of confidence, there's no reason to head back into Bitcoin now. Hence, his return or departure wouldn't make a difference in Bitcoin's long-term development due to the immense number of people working on it today. Just my thoughts ;D