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Title: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on November 19, 2019, 05:41:58 PM This has been something that's been bugging me for a while now, and instead of making the title of this thread "A call for members to stop using huge, gaudy, unnecessary graphics in their threads" I thought I would solicit the community's opinion about this and see if they agree with me.
There are a few members who consistently use gigantic images in threads they create, usually right at the beginning of the OP. This drives me nuts, because it causes more scrolling than there needs to be and those images are completely unnecessary. They add nothing to the topic being discussed. You see this same nonsense in articles from the media, the most common being a picture of physical golden bitcoins when it's an article about bitcoin in the mainstream press. I don't think members here ought to include that kind of crap in their threads, as it wastes the time of every single person who has to scroll past the image to get to the text, and it probably wastes bandwidth and who knows what else. Edit: This practice reminds me of Youtube videos that all seem to start off with extremely loud music that just shouldn't be there, because it's often louder than the content that follows and adds nothing to the video. It also reminds me of the late 90s where amateur Geocities websites often had gifs that took forever to load and froze the page. This isn't a critical forum issue by any means, but goddamn....it annoys me to no end. I'd like to know what everyone thinks about this. Below are some examples by members who are doing it. cheezcarls: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5202796.0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5202659 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5202536 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5202426 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5202397 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5201229 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5200828 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5200516 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5199712 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5199583 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5199496 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5199432 Debonaire217: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5199202 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5198588 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5197994 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5197984 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5197808 CryptoBry: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5195491 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193728 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193608 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193471 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193035 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5192587 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5192467 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191238 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5151758 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5150934 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5149952 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5149417 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5147417 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5146138 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145625 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145151 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5144825 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5143835 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5143306 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5142952 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5142447 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5141796 Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: DireWolfM14 on November 19, 2019, 05:51:12 PM I like adding the "height" function when I post an image, and if I want to give access to the full resolution version, I make the image a link. That way, even if the image to which I'm liking is huge resolution, I can control how it appears here on the forum. The "width" function will do the same thing, but the "height" function prevents the page from scrolling as the image loads.
Code: [url=https://i.imgur.com/bNBVzle.jpg][img height=400]https://i.imgur.com/bNBVzle.jpg[/img][/url] https://i.imgur.com/bNBVzle.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/bNBVzle.jpg) Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: Stack23 on November 19, 2019, 05:51:55 PM This is not a blog, but a forum. In blog posts such images look good but not in a forum.
So for me, these images are annoying specially where there is no need for them, avoid it. Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: akhjob on November 19, 2019, 06:07:40 PM Tbh, I don't give a shit regarding the images posted in the forum, I tend to ignore them if they are not necessary. Regardless, these graphics are completely unnecessary and users should avoid posting them when they are not necessary. Anything that is beyond necessary is bad, either it be a huge wall of text or overuse of graphics.
Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: DooMAD on November 19, 2019, 06:08:50 PM I like adding the "height" function when I post an image, and if I want to give access to the full resolution version, I make the image a link. Which is greatly appreciated. But, if I'm understanding it right, this topic is more about whether the images being posted in those examples need to be present at all. They aren't really conveying any useful information and seem to be purely decorative. Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: LoyceV on November 19, 2019, 06:11:17 PM I checked a few, and most of them seem to have one thing in common: they're all advertising an external link. I've seen many users that mainly post to advertise, and despite being against the rules, they seem to get away with it.
It's going to be difficult to stop those images though: users have many freedoms on this forum, and that shouldn't be restricted. I've also created topics with large images, so I don't think a general rule against images will be good. On Altcoin Announcements (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=159.0), almost all topics start with a big image instead of text. Someone must have realized it helps to earn money, so they now all do it. Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: Lafu on November 19, 2019, 06:16:06 PM We have seen that starting nearly half an year ago in the german board for translations also !
There are some ANN's that only have 5-9 Pictures and nothing written as an normal Text in the ANN. Mostly the pictures are linked to other webpages and stuff. Looks like they getting lazy on creating ANN's and just posting pictures. Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on November 19, 2019, 06:18:39 PM I've also created topics with large images, so I don't think a general rule against images will be good. Note that I wasn't proposing that a rule be made against this. I really just wanted to get some opinions on the matter, to see if it was just me blowing my stack or if members agree with me. I'm not even sure if anyone else even noticed it going on, but I sure as hell did.On Altcoin Announcements (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=159.0), almost all topics start with a big image instead of text. Someone must have realized it helps to earn money, so they now all do it. Yeah, I've got that section on ignore so I never even realized that--but I'm not shocked, of course. I knew there was always a link to an external new site in the examples I gave, but I wasn't exactly sure that they were trying to advertise for those sites. Makes sense if they are, but a lot of members post links to news items (like Hydrogen, who often picks some good ones in the Economics section) and there is some value to that. Those huge images, though. They suck in mainstream media, they suck in crypto news sites, and they suck triple hard on bitcointalk. In my humble opinion. Edit: What I find absolutely reproachable is when one decides to insert an non-resized image in the middle of a discussion, which totally breaks apart my 'rhythm of reading' when following a thread. Yes, yes, yes. I see that so much in news articles and it drives me nuts.Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: actmyname on November 19, 2019, 07:05:08 PM Huge images in post #1: no problem as long as it does not obstruct reading. These are usually because there are some elements that cannot be recreated with bbcode, or can be more-easily recreated without the use thereof.
Huge images in post #2 onwards: problem. Images fragment reading and create a separation between what precedes and follows the image. Moreover, the incongruent forms of media between the text and the image further blossom into the separation. What I find absolutely reproachable is when one decides to insert an non-resized image in the middle of a discussion, which totally breaks apart my 'rhythm of reading' when following a thread. Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: Harlot on November 19, 2019, 07:22:52 PM One thing that annoys me when I'm in the press section is I always see the posters including the thumbnails of the news article in their post, obviously most of the images are animated or vectors and it doesn't really have any function but to get more attention for the news itself. But I really wonder why they have the need to include it on their own post? First off it doesn't really relate to the news and even if there is one it's just an image of the person they are talking about or just images of the Bitcoin logo on it which doesn't add up to anything about the news. If the posters want to get the attention of the readers itself I think a much better approach is to adding an opinion about the news itself rather than just copying and pasting the article including the thumbnail.
An example of the image I'm talking about. (Resized) Taken from this topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5198164.0;prev_next=next#new). Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: actmyname on November 19, 2019, 07:28:53 PM One thing that annoys me when I'm in the press section is I always see the posters including the thumbnails of the news article in their post Most of the Press board is a shitpost anyway, so this isn't really igniting an ember to a forest fire as it is igniting the remains of the Hindenburg.Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: YOSHIE on November 19, 2019, 07:32:39 PM That is what people call "black hair, different thoughts".
If, everyone understood what was said, of course there is no war in this world, everyone wants to live in peace. In this forum, there is a contest about free speech and democracy, people do what their brains say, no matter what others say, that's what is happening now. People have different characters, in the hobby of writing and like to post pictures, though, the image is out of place, it is someone's behavior and character. In fact, if we scream until our voices are gone, character, cannot be changed, he still does what he thinks he should do, hobbies, that's human. another example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188569.msg52594010#msg52594010 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188569.msg52610047#msg52610047 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5170687.msg52610090#msg52610090 Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: El duderino_ on November 19, 2019, 07:42:32 PM I agree and I get it that it can be annoying for some people, I don't care to much.... But when you have a collection of members who's threads your annoyed with, why don't just leave them and just don't visit those....
Probably they think its a bit cooler of some kind ;) I hope you don't dislike a picture or a meme from time to time :P But indeed in a serious discussion or thread it isn't necessary .... though i'm not disturbed by them. I have passed a few lines where you ask the OP's to not post them though... In the end I think its just some peoples style of posting as well. Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on November 19, 2019, 07:51:37 PM I hope you don't dislike a picture or a meme from time to time :P No, not at all. In fact, I really like when members post memes because they usually make me laugh. Nor am I annoyed by pictures in general, just the ones of the type that I listed, ones that distract from the text, cause more scrolling, and don't add anything to the thread.I have passed a few lines where you ask the OP's to not post them though... Yeah, I have done that but I realized that it isn't my place to tell them what to do and that I'm just one member with an opinion. Not like any of them listened to me anyway, lol. In the end I think its just some peoples style of posting as well. I disagree; including a huge picture isn't a "style" like it would be for a member who frequently posts memes or charts or whatever. Or if it is a style of posting, it's a really bad one IMO. There really is no reason to include enormous graphics that serve no purpose. And with that, I think this is going to be my last post in this thread.Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: Harlot on November 19, 2019, 08:02:43 PM One thing that annoys me when I'm in the press section is I always see the posters including the thumbnails of the news article in their post Most of the Press board is a shitpost anyway, so this isn't really igniting an ember to a forest fire as it is igniting the remains of the Hindenburg.I still got the same sentiments on the style of how posters do it on other boards. Just like what the links ThePharmacist has provided most of the examples aren't in the press board yet I still feel that images that aren't relating to the body of their post is still an unnecessary addition to their post and will just cause a distraction rather than the added attention they want. If the images aren't diagrams or infographics and just thumbnails to get the attention then they aren't really worthy to be included at all. Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: TECSHARE on November 19, 2019, 08:10:36 PM I also find this annoying, especially since it shifts the text as I am trying to read it as images load, it makes me want to punch toddlers its so agitating. I generally just stop the page from loading once the text loads. I even have some users in Politics & Society that will go out of their way to make images I take the time to turn into a URL so they don't spam the page loading useless copies of the same images, back into active images as if you can't just scroll up and look at it.
Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: LTU_btc on November 19, 2019, 08:58:18 PM Oh yes, such images is really annoying. And I don't kmow why people who are posting think that these images are needed. Because it's not news media or blog where all articles need to have image. But here, I doubt that animated Bitcoin logo or something add much value to topic. As pointed by someone above, mostly people who advertise external websites with their articles are doing. Maybe they think that image here helps attract more clicks to their article and it works in similar way like clickbait title, but I don't think they are right.
What is even worse - people quoting whole OP without removing image. It's so annoying and in such cases I would like that demerit button would exist. Because mainly spammers are doing it who don't add nothing constructive with their quote. Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: rhomelmabini on November 20, 2019, 02:19:57 AM If they are just announcing a post through external links maybe an unnecessary images shouldn't be added. I don't know if they're just posted it via mobile since it's much smaller to see if they do it that way, just my humch though. That's not a bad habit at all but for some people that only want to read the discussions on the thread it means something to be irritated.
What is even worse - people quoting whole OP without removing image. It's so annoying and in such cases I would like that demerit button would exist. That's the irritable one to see and I wouldn't think twice to ignore that user. Maybe demerit is good but if this will done I would propose that those who can demerit one user are the one who merit them from before or on their merit lists or vice versa.Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: cryptoaddictchie on November 20, 2019, 02:30:59 AM Tbh, I don't give a shit regarding the images posted in the forum, I tend to ignore them if they are not necessary. Regardless, these graphics are completely unnecessary and users should avoid posting them when they are not necessary. Anything that is beyond necessary is bad, either it be a huge wall of text or overuse of graphics. Yeah but having some image with details in it can't be bad right? Like some info on a particular event. I myself posted frequently with image, but solely for the purpose of showing of some direct tutorials and easy instruction for those who will read my post. Yes, sometime it's annoying but for some reason other's like it. Well, I'm speaking for those who like it but for some who dont. I guess they just really annoyed on how the image posted. I believe image can make youre post nicer but also include the size of it so they won't be annoyed when they reading the wall of text included. Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: tranthidung on November 20, 2019, 03:22:27 AM If one want to learn how to include images in your posts or adjust image displays in their quotes, I know one good place for them: Wall Observer.
That is a very Mega thread and people posts a lot as well as include lots of images but they know how to do it wisely and don't bother readers' eyes. See how one of them do that: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg53122716#msg53122716 Original post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg53120174#msg53120174 There are three ways posters can do when quoting images-included posts:
What I presented is for noobs, not experts. :) Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: CryptopreneurBrainboss on November 20, 2019, 03:35:10 AM Not a fan to the unnecessary images (don't think I have even poster one before) but it seems I'm guilty of the large images, just viewed some of your examples then revisited some of my created threads to cross-check and compared like; The Xenophobic attacks on Africans by South Africans, what's your take on this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5182484.0) and Africa Cup of Nation Discussion Thread || Current Phase: Qualification (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5200931.0) and few others but notice I tried resizing the image as i can see I edited the image with the [width=***] code but in my defense, I'm using a mobile phone to access the forum so I might not be viewing the image as other advance smartphone users or those using a laptop to access the forum are, my bad.
I haven't received much complain also concerning my image size but as I review them it seems they're big. Apart from this one time Honestly, I think it will be better if you present your contents in formal text, rather than infographics. don't think it have ever occured to me, so maybe forum users should inform users regularly when they see this images so we can't adjust in time to make the discussion conducive to everyone. The infographics is hard to see, and space-consumed. Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: HCP on November 20, 2019, 06:12:12 AM It isn't so much the original posting of such images that make me most annoyed... it's the ignorant users who blindly click "quote" on the OP and then start typing! ::) ::) >:( >:(
So, then you end up re-scrolling through the entire OP... AGAIN... to (generally) see some 1 liner shitpost attached to the end! Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuu... >:( >:( Personally, I think they need to implement a "how to quote properly" test to allow people to move from Newbie to Jr. Member rank... or actually sign up in the first place :P Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: Lucius on November 20, 2019, 10:56:05 AM Users listed in the OP have been doing this for a long time, and they do it because they think their posts look better in that way. Unfortunately, they do not think of other users who have low internet speeds and thus make it difficult for them to use the forum.
If they are already uploading pictures, then reduce them to normal size just by using this : Code: [img width=1000 height=600]https://i.imgur.com/KrojgnZ.png[/img] I agree with HCP that there is an even bigger problem in those who quote such posts, and this is a common practice of spammers who thinks their post will look better if they quote OP. Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: rosezionjohn on November 20, 2019, 02:09:18 PM From the title itself "unnecessary", it should be annoying :D
I do not really mind if it is just one image, it is placed below the post, and the content is really good. I agree with what others have said though that it is more annoying to see a lot of users quoting that same post, including the image. Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: DooMAD on November 20, 2019, 02:25:20 PM It isn't so much the original posting of such images that make me most annoyed... it's the ignorant users who blindly click "quote" on the OP and then start typing! ::) ::) >:( >:( I forget which forum software it was, but I've definitely been on boards where quoted images are automatically converted to a text link (does anyone still use the word hypertext, or am I showing my age?). Is that a feature people would maybe like implemented here? Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: philipma1957 on November 20, 2019, 02:34:31 PM I merited HCP and DooMAD
As I think 🤔 that: a) quoting and repeating the image is far worse b) a solution that prevents a) is great. As for posting an img as the op of many many posts with many many images i am not really against it. i really like the vanishing a quoted img idea 💡. I have been guilty of doing an image quote more then once even though i get annoyed 😠 at other people doing it at times i do it. to have a piece of code fixing it would be a good improvement. i would donate 50 usd in a coin of your choice to a coder that helps it get done. Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: DdmrDdmr on November 20, 2019, 02:46:13 PM Some people made a similar feature as mods for SMF. The mods removed the image from the quotes, and replaced it with a link, that could be clicked in order to restore the image within the quote (at will). That would be nice here.
https://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=2430 https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=373677.0 https://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=1188 Seemed like a thing in the early years of SMF. Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: taufik123 on November 20, 2019, 03:28:35 PM Threads with HD images and more than one will certainly be annoying and loading pages will take longer, especially for members who are keulitas on the internet network. Actually the picture is just a decorative to clarify what is the purpose of the thread. But Quality does not have to be Full HD or large size, the size of the image can be resized specifically for the Forum so as not to make the page thread become heavy.
Example: Mini size for forum 400x200pixel https://i.postimg.cc/Zq1wcQHm/sfe.png Size Original 740x493 pixel https://i.postimg.cc/SxZSJ6rC/tes.png Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: Upgrade00 on November 20, 2019, 03:41:34 PM Just checked the poll and majority of people do not give a shit and want people to post the way they want.
In my opinion it is subjective to the topic at hand, infographics with useful information are acceptable. Decorative photos can be okay if it does not clog the post and make it difficult to pick out the actual words. Large embedded images should only be used sparingly and the resolution should not frustrate the loading of a page. Quoting images of even a large block of text is always unnecessary and makes any thread untidy. Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: UserU on November 20, 2019, 03:52:37 PM It isn't so much the original posting of such images that make me most annoyed... it's the ignorant users who blindly click "quote" on the OP and then start typing! ::) ::) >:( >:( This. I'd choose humungous images anytime over the pyramid of quotes. Since this SMF version is from the stone ages, I reckon the new Epochtalk would simply discard the quotes of quotes. God forbid those from returning in 2020. Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: friends1980 on November 20, 2019, 04:35:33 PM Those images can be damned annoying but please let's not exaggerate with the rules on this forum...
However, I have been (successfully) reporting several members who felt the need to quote the entire post - giant image included - in their reply. If you don't have the intelligence of snipping at least the image from your quote, I think this still qualifies as spam, even if your reply isn't necessarily of low quality. Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: bakasabo on November 20, 2019, 04:41:51 PM Maybe there is someone who can write a script that will turn all pictures in to small one with an option to enlarge them with a single click?
I know that this is possible, because users have already made script that makes sending reports and merit more easy. Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: as9ardia on November 21, 2019, 03:23:12 PM Apart from resizing the image manually (changing height and or width manually), it seems like more interesting (and maybe) not to overload the server when loading an image is with image popup script or any similiar else.
So when the user places an image in a thread or comment, the image size automatically becomes small (mm...maybe the size is same as the profile avatar), but when the image is clicked the popup appears to the actual size (or a certain size). When this idea came to mind there were a few findings that I got. Highslide Image Viewer (https://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=1450) Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: Jet Cash on November 21, 2019, 03:28:38 PM I just put people who do it on ignore.
Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: rosezionjohn on November 21, 2019, 04:58:53 PM However, I have been (successfully) reporting several members who felt the need to quote the entire post - giant image included - in their reply. Were your reports marked as good, bad, or unhandled?Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: friends1980 on November 21, 2019, 05:37:35 PM However, I have been (successfully) reporting several members who felt the need to quote the entire post - giant image included - in their reply. Were your reports marked as good, bad, or unhandled?It's been quite a while now but since most of my Bad reports were because of double reporting, I am quite positive that all of them were removed. Most of them were spammers anyway, which shouldn't come as a surprise as they didn't even make the effort of snipping their gigantic quote... You'll find very few people who quote the whole OP - image included, with the intent of writing a masterpiece beneath it. Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: libert19 on November 22, 2019, 02:07:01 AM Not that of a big deal on mobile browser(s). Quite possibly, these users posted threads from mobile devices and might not be aware of the pain to desktop users
https://s19.directupload.net/images/191122/9e8uwpm7.jpg (https://www.directupload.net) Title: Re: The inclusion of large, unnecessary images in threads. Opinions? Post by: philipma1957 on November 22, 2019, 04:41:48 AM Just checked the poll and majority of people do not give a shit and want people to post the way they want. In my opinion it is subjective to the topic at hand, infographics with useful information are acceptable. Decorative photos can be okay if it does not clog the post and make it difficult to pick out the actual words. Large embedded images should only be used sparingly and the resolution should not frustrate the loading of a page. Quoting images of even a large block of text is always unnecessary and makes any thread untidy. he is missing the choice i would have done. |
