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Title: Alt account
Post by: Newbeen on November 23, 2019, 03:04:25 AM
mOgliE the bounty manager of yolodice signature campaign paying participants without making any single post. Yolodice team should check it what is going on.

Signature Thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1755689.0

User: dmamigo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=926177

Spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AaoYn8hm0KV7NQm_f4UNJylN4lxa65rdNpDquhxWz4w/edit?usp=sharing


Title: Re: Alt account
Post by: yahoo62278 on November 23, 2019, 03:11:47 AM
mOgliE the bounty manager of yolodice signature campaign paying participants without making any single post. Yolodice team should check it what is going on.

Signature Thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1755689.0

User: dmamigo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=926177

Spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AaoYn8hm0KV7NQm_f4UNJylN4lxa65rdNpDquhxWz4w/edit?usp=sharing
That user Hasn't posted since October 24th and the spreadsheet shows he did 36 qualifying posts last week. Kinda strange. Have you thought about messaging ethan the owner?


Title: Re: Alt account
Post by: TravelMug on November 23, 2019, 03:46:16 AM
I think this is what happened here:

(1) user dmamigo might be kicked in the campaign in the week 10/21 - 10/27. And mOgliE marked the wrong person which is pixie85 in the spreadsheet as "banned". So it explains why dmamigo hasn't had any post because he is no longer in the campaign.

(2) mOgliE just copied the previous week which he is banned to the current week, hence it looks like that dmamigo is still getting paid after he was kicked already. Just observed how it is the same 36 qualifying post, 5 post in gambling and the pay due, bitcoin is volatile in the last 3 weeks but his payment doesn't change, while all others are paid differently every week after he gets banned.

So there's no alt account here, probably mOgliE must have overlooked it. Just a few corrections and everything will be back to normal.


Title: Re: Alt account
Post by: suchmoon on November 23, 2019, 04:21:22 AM
I think this is what happened here:

(1) user dmamigo might be kicked in the campaign in the week 10/21 - 10/27. And mOgliE marked the wrong person which is pixie85 in the spreadsheet as "banned". So it explains why dmamigo hasn't had any post because he is no longer in the campaign.

(2) mOgliE just copied the previous week which he is banned to the current week, hence it looks like that dmamigo is still getting paid after he was kicked already. Just observed how it is the same 36 qualifying post, 5 post in gambling and the pay due, bitcoin is volatile in the last 3 weeks but his payment doesn't change, while all others are paid differently every week after he gets banned.

So there's no alt account here, probably mOgliE must have overlooked it. Just a few corrections and everything will be back to normal.

I don't think pixie85 is marked as banned. The red box seems to be just a legend, I assume the username would be colored that way if the person was banned. Also nothing to do with Bitcoin volatility - the rates are in BTC so only the number of posts matters.

But yes, the numbers for dmamigo were copied for the last 3 weeks so there must be some mistake or a failed script or something.



Title: Re: Alt account
Post by: LogitechMouse on December 04, 2019, 07:38:15 AM
mOgliE the bounty manager of yolodice signature campaign paying participants without making any single post. Yolodice team should check it what is going on.

Signature Thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1755689.0

User: dmamigo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=926177

Spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AaoYn8hm0KV7NQm_f4UNJylN4lxa65rdNpDquhxWz4w/edit?usp=sharing
Thanks for addressing this problem. I have sent an DM to ethan_nx regarding this with the screenshots of the spreadsheet a week ago but he too isn't active that much so I didn't receive any response to him.

I hope that the owner will make a solution to this problem because even me, I experienced wrong post count too. :( . It is almost a month that dmamigo isn't posting and yet he is still paid.

P.S. I also sent our CM a DM with the link of this thread so that he can answer to this too.


Title: Re: Alt account
Post by: Harlot on December 04, 2019, 11:12:28 AM
This might just be a documental error or something he just missed. The spreadsheet link is public so I doubt there is something unfair going on here. mOgliE needs to address this as the other participants might see this in another way.


Title: Re: Alt account
Post by: YOSHIE on December 04, 2019, 01:49:02 PM
Signature Thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1755689.0

User: dmamigo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=926177

Spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AaoYn8hm0KV7NQm_f4UNJylN4lxa65rdNpDquhxWz4w/edit?usp=sharing
This is not the way to find out someone has an Alt account.
This can lead to slander, without having the evidence presented.

You must provide evidence that is linked to the same account.

Stop creating new accounts and start accusing no evidence. Lol.

The campaign manager is a human being who can make mistakes, after all the YOLOdice.com campaign has been running for a long time, maybe it's the manager's mistake not checking the participants' posts again, maybe.


Title: Re: Alt account
Post by: mirakal on December 05, 2019, 01:54:25 PM
I am wondering why you titled this thread as an "Alt account", where's the proof that the manager has an alt account?

It must be a mistake by the manager here but eventually the owner might have an audit and all of these mistake will be seen, or the best way to do is just to inform the manager and the owner regarding this, you were able to help both of them.


Title: Re: Alt account
Post by: DoublerHunter on December 05, 2019, 02:08:00 PM
~snip~
It must be a mistake by the manager here but eventually the owner might have an audit and all of these mistake will be seen, or the best way to do is just to inform the manager and the owner regarding this, you were able to help both of them.
^ The owner of Yolodice knows better here in the forum and has a high member rank account, probably he knows already with this problem. He hired a manager to manage his signature campaign and probably he knows who is mOgliE. The owner did not complain probably that is okay on his side. The best move here is to send PM both the owner and the manager. Nevertheless, there is no constructive evidence that the manager and the Sr. member participant are alt accounts. I suggest that send a PM to @ethan_nx (owner) and let us wait to response on this thread about what happened on his manager.


Title: Re: Alt account
Post by: mirakal on December 05, 2019, 02:57:57 PM
~snip~
It must be a mistake by the manager here but eventually the owner might have an audit and all of these mistake will be seen, or the best way to do is just to inform the manager and the owner regarding this, you were able to help both of them.
^ The owner of Yolodice knows better here in the forum and has a high member rank account, probably he knows already with this problem. He hired a manager to manage his signature campaign and probably he knows who is mOgliE. The owner did not complain probably that is okay on his side. The best move here is to send PM both the owner and the manager. Nevertheless, there is no constructive evidence that the manager and the Sr. member participant are alt accounts. I suggest that send a PM to @ethan_nx (owner) and let us wait to response on this thread about what happened on his manager.

He doesn't need to make a response if there is no damage on his part and even if there is, he is not also obliged to do so as he can solve the problem internally and the amount involve is not a huge one. Gambling sites always protect their reputation, they only share positive news and promotions on the site but like to keep problems within and solve it.


Title: Re: Alt account
Post by: TravelMug on December 06, 2019, 03:46:17 AM
~snip~
It must be a mistake by the manager here but eventually the owner might have an audit and all of these mistake will be seen, or the best way to do is just to inform the manager and the owner regarding this, you were able to help both of them.
^ The owner of Yolodice knows better here in the forum and has a high member rank account, probably he knows already with this problem. He hired a manager to manage his signature campaign and probably he knows who is mOgliE. The owner did not complain probably that is okay on his side. The best move here is to send PM both the owner and the manager. Nevertheless, there is no constructive evidence that the manager and the Sr. member participant are alt accounts. I suggest that send a PM to @ethan_nx (owner) and let us wait to response on this thread about what happened on his manager.

He doesn't need to make a response if there is no damage on his part and even if there is, he is not also obliged to do so as he can solve the problem internally and the amount involve is not a huge one. Gambling sites always protect their reputation, they only share positive news and promotions on the site but like to keep problems within and solve it.

Right, and there's no alt account or abused here, we already piece the puzzle together.

If there is someone who need to need to reply here, it's the OP, he needs to lock this thread.


Title: Re: Alt account
Post by: mOgliE on December 06, 2019, 01:14:23 PM
Hello,

So first thanks for bringing that up. I'm glad it was catched up now and not in 6 months cause that would have cost me a hell lot of money... No need to hide behind a new account, all you risk here is getting 10 merits and a tip for your detective work

Indeed the thread title is a bit misleading but I understand it. Ethan and I have a good relationship and I helped him launch this campaign years ago. Still, we're not friends, it's a friendly business relationship but it's still business.

There is a pretty simple explanation yeah: I'm counting everything on a separate document (on my second screen) then just copy pasting it on the spreadsheet. I know that the user is no longer active (Ethan wants to keep inactive people for now we've discussed that privately) so I just let it blank. I should have put a 0 but I let it blank so when I duplicate the google spreadsheet and paste the list the inactive user line is not updated. It has been the case for about 6 weeks.

So it's not up to Ethan to manage this, that's why he pays a CM. I'll deal with the user and the money. I'm writing to him a simple deal: I repay those 6 weeks and my salary for this management (as I've not made a good work clearly), then he'll decide if he accepts the appology and continue to work with me or if he wants to change CM as he has every right to.

This was a mistake but my honesty shouldn't be at stake here. 3 years of campaign management can wear anyone out I believe, but I've still done a bad job here clearly. Ethan knows about my health problems and he was very comprehensive already so he has every right to end our agreement here.

You can let the topic as is or lock it I don't care. Don't hesitate to ping Ethan though because I could be lying of course. He'll decide to share our definitive agreement or not, I won't add anything else as it's up to him to decide what should or should not be shared.

Thanks for everyone who PMed me because I wouldn't have seen this thread otherwise. That would be my only criticism of OP because this thread is a good one and you did something good opening it, but next time think about PMing the person you accuse because otherwise he won't be able to answer your accusation, or will take ages to answer like I did.

edit: yeah it's 6 weeks at 9mBTC so about 54mBTC of prejudice + my salary, really glad you found out this now and not in a year cause that would have killed my savings. Discussing with Ethan right now, he's as cool and understanding as usual!


Title: Re: Alt account
Post by: suchmoon on December 06, 2019, 08:31:24 PM
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It's not up to me of course but if I were Ethan I would want to keep you as a manager - someone who messes up, admits it, fixes it, and is unlikely to let it happen again seems like a valuable employee. Just my 2 sat.


Title: Re: Alt account
Post by: DireWolfM14 on December 07, 2019, 01:09:01 AM
Every one makes mistakes, but taking accountability for them is too rare, in my opinion.  I hope your employer considers that when making his decision, and I wish you a thorough and speedy recovery from your health issues.