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Title: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: BitcoinInReview on November 28, 2019, 03:18:31 PM It is impossible to prove that somebody is Satoshi.
I firmly believe that even if real satoshi turned up one day, people will also declare him Faketoshi. This is so true. Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now. He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: achach on November 28, 2019, 03:36:21 PM It is quite possible to prove, but it is unlikely that anyone will be able to do it. ;D
Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: Fappanu on November 28, 2019, 03:38:34 PM How will you know?
Even the face of satoshi nakamoto is unknown to anyone, and what we believe to be true Satoshi Nakamoto (Dorian Nakamoto) is refuting him as the creator of bitcoin. What would be our basis to find out if he was the real Satoshi Nakamoto? In case Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: BitcoinInReview on November 28, 2019, 03:41:05 PM What would be our basis to find out if he was the real Satoshi Nakamoto? Yes, you got it. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: jekainvestor on November 28, 2019, 03:56:48 PM It is quite possible to prove, but it is unlikely that anyone will be able to do it. ;D It is interesting to know how exactly it will be possible to prove the Satoshi is really that Satoshi we talk about... Or may be he left somewhere someday the fingeprint of the retina-scan data and we would be able to compare?... I am joking))))) I think that even in case it may be someday it would be really hard to prove.... And in my opinion more exactly that such thing will never happen. This person will forever stay as an inventor of something new for our generation, something that noone did before him)))))) Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: BitcoinInReview on November 28, 2019, 03:57:13 PM It is quite possible to prove How?I think that no one never will find Satoshi, rather this already became myth. Maybe we will find the real Satoshi but we will never know that he is the real Satoshi as nobody can prove it. He can prove that he is the owner of all privatekeys, passwords, accesses but the owner of these can be anyone.Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: MURONDI on November 28, 2019, 04:12:23 PM anything can happen and nothing is impossible, I'm sure someday Satoshi Nakamoto will be revealed, some assume that satoshi nakamoto is a group not an individual, with the increasingly sophisticated technology, Satoshi's identity will one day be revealed.
Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: avikz on November 28, 2019, 04:13:25 PM You've already given the answer yourself! Satoshi has mined the first bitcoin block which we also call as genesis block. If real Satoshi wants to identify himself, he can simply use his key to sign a message! That's it! Unless and until the key is hacked by a hacker (which is highly unlikely), there's no way to impersonate! What do you think can be a irrefutable proof other than this? Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: Ailmand on November 28, 2019, 04:14:24 PM The only one who can prove who the real satoshi is would be the person who knows him personally, seen him working on bitcoin while it is being created. And I doubt if time will come that satoshi wi reveal his identity, there'a no point or purpose disclosing it and it is for his security.
Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: iamaruf on November 28, 2019, 04:19:30 PM This is not new question.thousands of people’s have thousands of thought.better to avoid finding who is real satoshi. Because he want to be anonymous.
You've already given the answer yourself! Satoshi has mined the first bitcoin block which we also call as genesis block. If real Satoshi wants to identify himself, he can simply use his key to sign a message! That's it! Unless and until the key is hacked by a hacker (which is highly unlikely), there's no way to impersonate! What do you think can be a irrefutable proof other than this? Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: Ucy on November 28, 2019, 04:26:08 PM It is impossible to prove that somebody is Satoshi. I firmly believe that even if real satoshi turned up one day, people will also declare him Faketoshi. This is so true. Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now. He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi. It would have be possible if he embedded few things in the first blocks that are unique to him, like DNA, finger prints, body marks, eye color and even hidden signatures with information on who owns them . The good thing about embedded data like that is that they can't be changed (immutablity) Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: joinfree on November 28, 2019, 04:28:02 PM That's not true mate @OP. Signing a message through the bitcoin address that contains the genesis block is the surest way that anybody can prove the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto. In addition to this, i believe some members like Theymos, Sirius and other staff members can help prove this by making sure this individual is able to communicate with them through emails and other media that they used when Satoshi was operating on this forum.
Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: airdnasxela on November 28, 2019, 04:30:23 PM That's correct. It's because a lot of people already claimed to be Satoshi that it made us more skeptical about the said issue. People will notice and notice something that won't connect the plot becaude they are not the real Satoshi. But when he finally revealed himself, people won't easily believe him. But it is not impossible. If you're the real creator, you can give enough proofs to prove yourself.
Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: tracey77 on November 28, 2019, 04:40:43 PM I think that no one never will find Satoshi, rather this already became myth. yeah, I doubt he just 'disappeared'.... Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: bittraffic on November 28, 2019, 04:43:25 PM It is impossible to prove that somebody is Satoshi. I firmly believe that even if real satoshi turned up one day, people will also declare him Faketoshi. This is so true. Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now. He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi. When all these had happen we can now say everyone is satoshi. Its really possible because after all there is no way anyone can prove even he himself right now because no one will believe him. A lot of people already claimed he is satoshi but the profile they portrait doesn't really reflect. They weren't as techie as satoshi but the fact that they claimed to be satoshi mean they are not satoshi. Satoshi doesn't have time to convince anyone. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: nreal on November 28, 2019, 04:53:13 PM If someone has everything to prove he or she is Satoshi then at least he / she will legally be recognized. I think most people will recognize that, everyone doesn't need to verify Satoshi's true identity.
Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: tungaqhd on November 28, 2019, 05:09:00 PM It is impossible to prove that somebody is Satoshi. I think that there are some bitcointalk mods know "real Satoshi Nakamoto". If someone want to prove that he is Satoshi, it can be verified by these mods.I firmly believe that even if real satoshi turned up one day, people will also declare him Faketoshi. This is so true. Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now. He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: ene1980 on November 28, 2019, 05:30:20 PM I think that there are some bitcointalk mods know "real Satoshi Nakamoto". If someone want to prove that he is Satoshi, it can be verified by these mods. If a second person knew about the real identity of Satoshi then it would have been public by now as you cannot hold a secret like this for a long period of time and the mods nor the admin does not have any idea about the creator.Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now. It is a real possibility, even if someone proves that he is the having the private key with them, it only shows that they are the current holders and not the real creator.He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: kro55 on November 28, 2019, 05:43:49 PM It is impossible to prove that somebody is Satoshi. I firmly believe that even if real satoshi turned up one day, people will also declare him Faketoshi. This is so true. Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now. He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi. Satoshi never showed up but he at the same time make sure that nobody else can steal his work and claim to be Satoshi. Many tried to prove themselves as satoshi but failed miserably since there is nothing intrinsic to satoshi that somebody can show and claim the prize. Lets wait and see if something good comes out regarding real Satoshi. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: jakelyson on November 28, 2019, 05:47:44 PM I think that there are some bitcointalk mods know "real Satoshi Nakamoto". If someone want to prove that he is Satoshi, it can be verified by these mods. If a second person knew about the real identity of Satoshi then it would have been public by now as you cannot hold a secret like this for a long period of time [...]Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now. If someone can easily get the private keys of Satoshi, bitcoin will be worthless by now. They could just dump all his bitcoins. And if someone comes forward with a signed message from Satoshi's bitcoin address, I will believe he is the real Satoshi.Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: BitcoinInReview on November 28, 2019, 05:53:44 PM Let's say ...
an authority has collected all privatekeys, e-mail account accesses, passwords ... and gave it to a person who is now claiming that he is Satoshi. This 'Satoshi' can ... Satoshi has mined the first bitcoin block which we also call as genesis block. If real Satoshi wants to identify himself, he can simply use his key to sign a message! sign a message, make transactions from Satoshi's accounts, send Satoshi e-mails, claim that he is Satoshi.But he is not the real Satoshi. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: YuginKadoya on November 28, 2019, 05:53:53 PM I think that Satoshi can only know the answer if the real Satoshi would sure open up I think it will be I am not Satoshi Nakamoto the possibility that satoshi will humble himself and not take the action to give up his security will likely to what Satoshi might do, in my opinion,
And aside from giving programs and codes that will prove that he really is Satoshi there is much proof that all fake Satoshi would do and that is giving up their security and taking the mantle that they are the real thing, the possibility is there, let's just move on and let the man rest and savor his freedom, I think now the burden to be Satoshi is lifted up so in my opinion there is no way that he would scrutinize his security because of popularity because I think he does like that such things. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: shield132 on November 28, 2019, 06:01:48 PM It is impossible to prove that somebody is Satoshi. At first can we finally say whether satoshi is a person or group?I firmly believe that even if real satoshi turned up one day, people will also declare him Faketoshi. This is so true. Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now. He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi. Well, let's say satoshi is a person and imagine this person came with video where it's all shown how he works on coding, how he posts on bitcointalk and etc + then comes with private keys, all kind of access and etc. I think with combination of all of this, he can prove that he is satoshi. But why will satoshi try to prove himself? And especially why he will put all efforts in it? He doesn't need it and this task is something that will never happen, so why to discuss on things that will never happen? Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: kryptqnick on November 28, 2019, 06:10:21 PM It is impossible to prove that somebody is Satoshi. I think that makes sense. However, not fully. It is impossible to ultimately prove that Satoshi is Satoshi, I agree with that. But there can be a certain distinction about various candidates, and a person making a signed message would at least be someone worth taking seriously, and someone who will generally be considered Satoshi. And I think that then this person can get confirmed by some others that might know the real Satoshi from the early times, this person might be able to clarify some things about Bitcoin in a way that will differ from the thoughts of others... And so there'll be a pretty good chance that this person is Satoshi. I, however, think that it won't happen.I firmly believe that even if real satoshi turned up one day, people will also declare him Faketoshi. This is so true. Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now. He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: Asuspawer09 on November 28, 2019, 06:15:44 PM It is impossible to prove that somebody is Satoshi. If we are going to find out who is Satoshi Nakomoto today or this time I time it is kinda impossible to find proof that he is the one who created bitcoin,I firmly believe that even if real satoshi turned up one day, people will also declare him Faketoshi. This is so true. Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now. He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi. Anyone could claim that he is the marker of bitcoin but any documentation is impossible but in my opinion if he could have a big amount of percentage if bitcoin and he have the biggest percentage of bitcoin in here hand that could possibly be Satoshi Nakamoto since we have a theory that Satoshi Nakamoto owned a very big percentage of bitcoin and it makes sense since he is the maker or creator of bitcoin he should at least have a big amount of it since he could crack the bitcoin system. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: jakelyson on November 28, 2019, 06:26:00 PM Let's say ... an authority has collected all privatekeys, e-mail account accesses, passwords ... and gave it to a person who is now claiming that he is Satoshi. What authority? Government? Private individual? Can they crack bitcoin private keys? If this is possible bitcoin will never have value. Satoshi itself? I doubt he will share his private keys, passwords to anyone. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: Lauren Smith on November 28, 2019, 11:02:13 PM He would have to share his private key since his wallet and transactions will be the first in the world. I don't think it is important to know who Satoshi is or the group if it is a group and they will never reveal themselves. It would be too much drama to deal with and satoshi already has all the money they need so they won't need more. They certainly don't need the publicity.
Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: romero121 on November 28, 2019, 11:10:39 PM It is quite possible to prove, but it is unlikely that anyone will be able to do it. ;D On what basis you'll term someone to be Satoshi. Anyone with the name Satoshi can't be real Satoshi, even if real Satoshi comes it is hard to confirm him to be the right person. Maybe with his official conversation and the forum account getting active we can conclude. Here too there needs to be someone who is close to him or had some face to face business with which the identity can be confirmed. In simple looking for Satoshi and thinking whether his identity gets revealed is unnecessary.Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: DarkDays on November 28, 2019, 11:12:55 PM Actually, it's not impossible to prove.
Sure, the original Satoshi could simply provide the private keys of his address to someone else, but it's unlikely that person would then claim to be Satoshi. However, should somebody come along and provide draft versions of the whitepaper, including proprietary information, or demonstrate that he indeed drafted the Bitcoin code, then this would be enough evidence to convince most people. It always comes down to plausibility, otherwise, technically it's impossible to prove anything. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: DreamStage on November 28, 2019, 11:15:12 PM It's possible to prove as if the owner decides to change how the blockchain implementions is held or changes the base code foundation for bitcoin.
By that there will be such big changes that it will be noticeable everywhere. You will then know (if someone reports those changes) that he is the real owner of such acts. But he will probabily not so any of those things neither proof himself. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: Kambal2000 on November 29, 2019, 05:33:50 AM It's possible to prove as if the owner decides to change how the blockchain implementions is held or changes the base code foundation for bitcoin. By that there will be such big changes that it will be noticeable everywhere. You will then know (if someone reports those changes) that he is the real owner of such acts. But he will probabily not so any of those things neither proof himself. Why we need to prove something to people who he is, Satoshi doesn't want to remember the real him, he just wanted his works to be known and adopted world wide as he thinks that this is the right time to change our payment system, and for us to have cash less society. Let's just remembered him that way no need to prove and to seek the real him, he will for sure reveal once he's ready. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: CryptoBry on November 29, 2019, 06:15:21 AM Can this be the real reason why the real Satoshi Nakamoto decided not to anymore surface because anyway nobody will believe him even if he can be presenting the private keys to his hoard of Bitcoin and be able to move the assets to another wallet? Well, as for me, anyone who can do the requirement we rationally demand can be a candidate to be real guy but what if he turned out to be a woman? You see, this is the problem with a certain person's whereabouts have already been turned into a circus and with some even elevated to the cult status. However, I do not really understand why we guys continue on talking about the guy when in fact we are sure that his desire is for people to just move on without him and for his contributions to be recognized but his presence not anymore yearned for. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: satoshyknew on November 29, 2019, 03:16:58 PM Satoshi knew all this. He has been testing Bitcoin for two years before we could use it.
How long have you been working on this design Satoshi? It seems very well thought out, not the kind of thing you just sit down and code up without doing a lot of brainstorming and discussion on it first. Everyone has the obvious questions looking for holes in it but it is holding up well :) Since 2007. At some point I became convinced there was a way to do this without any trust required at all and couldn't resist to keep thinking about it. Much more of the work was designing than coding.Fortunately, so far all the issues raised have been things I previously considered and planned for. He knew that a HDD can fail, and all other forms of privatekey storage can be useless for some reason. That is why he put the privatekeys of his early mined coins somehow into the blockchain. All these coins are P2PK addresses and he did not transfer them to P2PKH addresses although they are more secure. (quantum resistant) SHA256 is not going to be broken by Moore's law computational improvements in our lifetimes. Nobody is asking why he did not move and is not moving these early mined unmoved P2PK coins: https://bitslog.com/2013/04/17/the-well-deserved-fortune-of-satoshi-nakamoto/ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=175996.0 Our guess is that he knew that the early mined coins will be moved one day. So he created a 'prize competition'. Otherwise he could move the coins to quantum resistant P2PKH addresses, but he did not and is not doing. Indeed, there are people out there, who are trying to solve this and hopefully someone will be able to move the first coins. Open letter/question to Satoshi https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5159185.0;all Maybe Satoshi created the greatest prize competition https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5150688.0 December 2015 a Bitcointalk member discovered a puzzle transaction while playing around with his bot: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1306983.msg13381244#msg13381244 At that time nobody declared such a puzzle transaction which was created January 2015 until the creator of that competition came out 2 years later: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1306983.msg18765941#msg18765941 As of 01/10/2019 there are still more than 100 BTC to win. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5166284.0 We think that the early mined coins of Satoshi are also a prize competition and that Satoshi is waiting this coins to be moved. We also think that he will not respond after somebody moves the first coins but it will be a message to the Bitcoin community that the private keys are somehow on the blockchain. If Satoshi disagreed with that conclusion he would have moved the coins to other addresses. Satoshi could move some of these coins and and show how the privatekeys were implemented into the blockchain. This is the only possibility to prove that he is the real Satoshi as nobody else could know it. Even if someone else finds a privatekey (or a bunch of eg 10 privatekeys) of these coins, this person can't show another one. But the real Satoshi can, as he knows for all these coins the solution. But he will not, he is waiting that someone finds it and moves the first coins, others will follow. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: enhu on November 29, 2019, 03:29:39 PM Satoshi said the coins he had mined is like a donation to everyone. I can only think he completely forget all those coins and didn't even copy paste the privatekeys of it. Think of it like the supply has been reduced and this is why its impossible for somebody to prove he is the real satoshi. But then its easy to claim. If you have something to promote to the public, you can always organize a conference and have someone to claim he is satoshi to get more audience.
Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: tambok on November 29, 2019, 03:53:01 PM Satoshi said the coins he had mined is like a donation to everyone. I can only think he completely forget all those coins and didn't even copy paste the privatekeys of it. Think of it like the supply has been reduced and this is why its impossible for somebody to prove he is the real satoshi. But then its easy to claim. If you have something to promote to the public, you can always organize a conference and have someone to claim he is satoshi to get more audience. Hope it's true, haven't red this yet, will check this information, as many people are afraid that Satoshi might just making the priect up before he will finally sell it, and if ever it will be his donation, hope he can give it to different charity institution around the world as this will make them benefit more and he can be able to help those poor children that needs help. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: blogresearcher on November 29, 2019, 03:58:51 PM Satoshi said his name is Satoshi Nakamoto.
Satoshi said the coins he had mined is like a donation to everyone. .. Gavin Andresen started a project to give away free Bitcoins https://freebitcoins.appspot.com/ (no more working) and Satoshi wrote June 2010: Excellent choice of a first project, nice work. I had planned to do this exact thing if someone else didn't do it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=183.msg1620#msg1620 He waited but thought that someone else will do it. We think that he is waiting that someone moves the early mined coins to show to the Bitcoin community that it's a prize competition and that the private keys are somehow on the blockchain. 'We think that he is waiting that someone moves the early mined coins to show to the Bitcoin community that it's a prize competition and that the private keys are somehow on the blockchain.' It will be a game changer. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: Palider on November 29, 2019, 04:19:47 PM It is impossible to prove that somebody is Satoshi. Yes, it is difficult because no one knows the true Satoshi Nakamoto. And only his personal acquaintances, friends, and relatives can prove it.Quote Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now. What else should we base on who the real Satoshi Nakamoto is? This is the only way because it is difficult and impossible to crack Satoshi Nakamoto's wallet.He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: aardvark15 on November 29, 2019, 04:24:43 PM It is impossible to prove that somebody is Satoshi. I firmly believe that even if real satoshi turned up one day, people will also declare him Faketoshi. This is so true. Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now. He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi. There is almost no way to prove who he is unless he wants to be revealed. Even then, people will either not believe it or by then they won’t care. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: satoshyknew on November 29, 2019, 04:32:06 PM What else should we base on who the real Satoshi Nakamoto is? There is almost no way to prove who he is unless he wants to be revealed. As I wrote, Satoshi knew all this. December 2015 a Bitcointalk member discovered a puzzle transaction while playing around with his bot: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1306983.msg13381244#msg13381244 At that time nobody declared such a puzzle transaction which was created January 2015 until the creator of that competition came out 2 years later: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1306983.msg18765941#msg18765941 As of 01/10/2019 there are still more than 100 BTC to win. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5166284.0 We think that the early mined coins of Satoshi are also a prize competition and that Satoshi is waiting this coins to be moved. We also think that he will not respond after somebody moves the first coins but it will be a message to the Bitcoin community that the private keys are somehow on the blockchain. If Satoshi disagreed with that conclusion he would have moved the coins to other addresses. Satoshi could move some of these coins and and show how the privatekeys were implemented into the blockchain. This is the only possibility to prove that he is the real Satoshi as nobody else could know it. Even if someone else finds a privatekey (or a bunch of eg 10 privatekeys) of these coins, this person can't show another one. But the real Satoshi can, as he knows for all these coins the solution. But he will not, he is waiting that someone finds it and moves the first coins, others will follow. If it is necessary, he can show how the privatekeys were implemented into the blockchain and prove that he is the real Satoshi. But he will not, he is waiting that someone finds it and moves the first coins, others will follow. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: enhu on November 29, 2019, 04:48:58 PM Satoshi said his name is Satoshi Nakamoto. Satoshi said the coins he had mined is like a donation to everyone. .. Gavin Andresen started a project to give away free Bitcoins https://freebitcoins.appspot.com/ (no more working) and Satoshi wrote June 2010: Excellent choice of a first project, nice work. I had planned to do this exact thing if someone else didn't do it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=183.msg1620#msg1620 He waited but thought that someone else will do it. We think that he is waiting that someone moves the early mined coins to show to the Bitcoin community that it's a prize competition and that the private keys are somehow on the blockchain. 'We think that he is waiting that someone moves the early mined coins to show to the Bitcoin community that it's a prize competition and that the private keys are somehow on the blockchain.' It will be a game changer. If someone that possibly had got an access to his wallet and tried to dump it, do you thin the exchange will allow the user to withdraw? The wallet will be flagged and will be questioned and then finally he might just be considered the real satoshi and there are lots of things that can happen to this person. I don't think authorities will just let him go and live life the way he use to. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: Murat on November 30, 2019, 07:17:38 AM of course, it is, how could you find a person who is the real satoshi, I don't think there is no way to discover the real one, it's not possible at all, My query is that if someone claims that he is the one and how could you refuse himself, I think it's not an important thing we are looking for, For me, we should learn what he created and we have to keep it up what he did for us, we have to maintain this forum free from scammers and fake project so that people will get interested in this system, except the mass adoption, this cryptocurrency platform will not sustain for a long time, so make this forum comfortable and reliable for everyone, hopefully, The real Satoshi will uncover himself in the future.
Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: Baby Dragon on November 30, 2019, 07:55:42 AM of course, it is, how could you find a person who is the real satoshi, I don't think there is no way to discover the real one, it's not possible at all, My query is that if someone claims that he is the one and how could you refuse himself, I think it's not an important thing we are looking for, For me, we should learn what he created and we have to keep it up what he did for us, we have to maintain this forum free from scammers and fake project so that people will get interested in this system, except the mass adoption, this cryptocurrency platform will not sustain for a long time, so make this forum comfortable and reliable for everyone, hopefully, The real Satoshi will uncover himself in the future. Indeed, we should just accept the fact that Satoshi don't want to reveal himself for unknown reason and we must respect it. Also, we don't have to believe those people who claim themselves as him because they will never be, how can Satoshi reveal himself after all those years without giving enough reasons? if they can't even give a single evidence then don't let yourself be a fan of them because they are just trying to take advantage of Satoshi and you. They just want the attention and popularity and because of that they are getting the benefits that they don't actually deserve, let's just respect his decision and be grateful for what he did and focus on more important things. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: xvids on November 30, 2019, 08:15:43 AM It is impossible to prove that somebody is Satoshi. It is possible all of the proof that he would show is legit so why would we doubt him?I firmly believe that even if real satoshi turned up one day, people will also declare him Faketoshi. This is so true. Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now. He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi. If that person could open up all the old e-mails or Satoshi's account+private keys then why should we doubt him? But this scenario seem's impossible to happen after all Satoshi vanish wothout a trace so that mean's he doesn't have a plan to reveal his true identity. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: bounceback on November 30, 2019, 09:07:05 AM It is impossible to prove that somebody is Satoshi. I firmly believe that even if real satoshi turned up one day, people will also declare him Faketoshi. This is so true. Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now. He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi. why not possible? I think if Satoshi Nakamoto really came back, maybe he would do something different from what Satoshi is doing now, because I'm very sure if we make something, there will definitely be different methods that other people don't know to prove if it's true we what made it, maybe the real Satoshi Nakamoto would also do such a thing if he wanted to prove it. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: sehoon on November 30, 2019, 11:06:11 AM The fact that he didn't reveal himself means that he wants to stay anonymous. We really don't want to invade someone's life when we know that he does not want to right? There is no point in knowing who he is. Let's just thank him for making bitcoin and making these things possible. Knowing who he is might not have any positive impact.
Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: daarul50 on November 30, 2019, 11:25:51 AM It is impossible to prove that somebody is Satoshi. It is possible all of the proof that he would show is legit so why would we doubt him?I firmly believe that even if real satoshi turned up one day, people will also declare him Faketoshi. This is so true. Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now. He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi. If that person could open up all the old e-mails or Satoshi's account+private keys then why should we doubt him? But this scenario seem's impossible to happen after all Satoshi vanish wothout a trace so that mean's he doesn't have a plan to reveal his true identity. which means this discussion will never ending lol . too much -if- in his thoughts like : what if the privkey has changed hands for reasons what if all those sign messages, email account was hacked etc what if op has been convinced finally but he got a brain ill that makes all of these discussions useless haha -no offense please- :D it should not be easy for someone to somehow steal/hack satoshi credentials while satoshi himself invented the world best financial security system called bitcoin. he must have the best way to keep his credentials privkey secured. this is a perspectives game , for me and for most people around here the privkey and sign message of the genesis block is more than enough. end of story. if you feel still doubtful well good luck. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: Gotumoot on November 30, 2019, 02:44:17 PM No one knows who is Satoshi Nakamoto so for me that is impossible to prove if someone pretend to be the true satoshi nakamoto. But if satoshi sign message in her bitcoin wallet I think many people will believe in this because that is the only way to prove that satoshi is alive. Because wallet are hard to crack thats why I will believe if satoshi create signature on their wallet. And even here in Bitcointalk I will believe also if satoshi open her account again and post that he are alive.
Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: Pearls Before Swine on November 30, 2019, 02:48:15 PM Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now. Not true. A real investigator would be able to piece together other evidence which could prove or disprove that person's assertion that he's Satoshi. I have no doubt that there could be proof enough to satisfy most people, tho I'm sure there would be conspiracy theories in any case. It's *not* impossible.But if satoshi sign message in her bitcoin wallet I'm fairly certain that Satoshi isn't a woman. That would be quite a story if that were the case, but I'm thinking if Satoshi is really a single person, he's a male.Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: lionheart78 on November 30, 2019, 02:52:51 PM It is impossible to prove that somebody is Satoshi. I firmly believe that even if real satoshi turned up one day, people will also declare him Faketoshi. This is so true. Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now. He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi. To those who do not trust the code. it is really impossible to prove that he is Satoshi because you already deny any possible proof that a person is the real one. Ownership of the address and the Bitcoin in it is proven by the private key so is the identity behind that wallet address owner. So not believing anyone who can move the Bitcoin on Satoshi address being the Satoshi himself is the same as saying Satoshi never existed. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: imstillthebest on November 30, 2019, 02:59:16 PM even here in Bitcointalk I will believe also if satoshi open her account again and post that he are alive. her ? you said no one know's who is satoshi so its gender was also unkown for now . satoshi sounds like a male person but who knows what if its only a nickname ? if he open his account here and post something , that will be questionable and people will not easily believe if its the real satoshi that controls the account . who knows what if its a hacker that hack its account and use it to gain advantage like ask for donation and create fuds , stuff like that . Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: jostorres on November 30, 2019, 04:09:41 PM Anyone that has the emails, passwords and private keys is Satoshi Nakamoto, no doubt.
Do you think that Satoshi would be stupid enough to give out his private keys to anyone just like that? I don't think so. Only him has access to all that and no one else, unless he's truly dead like some people are claiming he is and maybe before he died he handed everything over to his family or something like that, then they might show up one day and prove it. And if that's the story, they wouldn't say they are Satoshi, would say that they are his family and also prove where he is and nothing else. If you check other people that have claimed to be Satoshi, none of them had the private keys and they had nothing at all to prove that they are Satoshi Nakamoto. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: danggoron on November 30, 2019, 10:41:39 PM Actually I am very surprised, how important is it that we know Satoshi's true identity?
let it be a secret, as long as we can still take advantage of this opportunity why do we have to think about other things that are full of manipulative? Anyone that has the emails, passwords and private keys is Satoshi Nakamoto, no doubt. A very reasonable argument. With all the extraordinary things that he has made, is it possible that security-related matters just become a password that can be easily owned by others?Do you think that Satoshi would be stupid enough to give out his private keys to anyone just like that? I don't think so. Only him has access to all that and no one else, unless he's truly dead like some people are claiming he is and maybe before he died he handed everything over to his family or something like that, then they might show up one day and prove it. And if that's the story, they wouldn't say they are Satoshi, would say that they are his family and also prove where he is and nothing else. If you check other people that have claimed to be Satoshi, none of them had the private keys and they had nothing at all to prove that they are Satoshi Nakamoto. Maybe they just like looking for sensations because without proof everything will just be bullshit Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: Velkro on November 30, 2019, 10:54:28 PM It is quite possible to prove, but it is unlikely that anyone will be able to do it. ;D "I hope" Satoshi died and i have knowledge pointing to that conclusion (in terms of Bitcoin well beign of course, not human tragedy)It would only harm Bitcoin if he would reveal himself. Bitcoin is safe because there is no CEO. It is possible to prove for real Satoshi that he is Satoshi. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: hatshepsut93 on December 01, 2019, 04:53:27 AM Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now. He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi. Demonstrating the ownership of private keys is a very strong start - there are some possibilities how other people could have obtained them, but still it's the strongest proof. After that, we can look at what kind of a person the alleged Satoshi is - do they have some background in cryptography and programming, were they active in the Cypherpunk community and other similar movements, do they generally demonstrate a very strong understanding of Bitcoin and cryptography? These things are very important too, if Craig Wright showed a valid Satoshi's signature tomorrow, I still wouldn't believe him and would think that he somehow stolen Satoshi's keys, because CSW consistently demonstrated that he's not a cypherpunk and just a conman. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: Gens09 on December 01, 2019, 05:23:37 AM It is impossible to prove that somebody is Satoshi. I agree i think proving that you are Satoshi was almost impossible especially today,I firmly believe that even if real satoshi turned up one day, people will also declare him Faketoshi. This is so true. Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now. He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi. Everybody who will claim that they are Satoshi Nakamoto would just end up becoming a faker one, There is already no evidence, in my opinion, to claim that you are Satoshi. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: Astvile on December 01, 2019, 05:47:10 AM It's not impossible to prove that he is indeed the real Satoshi Nakamoto. There is a ton of evidence, valid evidence that will prove he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto. Proving that he can access the wallet which Nakamoto left untouched with tons of bitcoin is strong evidence and if this happen there is no questioning on his identity if he will be able to login to that wallet.
Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: gabmen on December 01, 2019, 06:14:40 AM It's not impossible to prove that he is indeed the real Satoshi Nakamoto. There is a ton of evidence, valid evidence that will prove he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto. Proving that he can access the wallet which Nakamoto left untouched with tons of bitcoin is strong evidence and if this happen there is no questioning on his identity if he will be able to login to that wallet. If the person or the group who has access to that or those wallets plan on revealing him/her/themselves, we probably should've know by now. The only thing we'll be able to know is if they or he's willing to let us know. I really think Satoshi is just an avatar and who knows if the one behind him has plans of even going outside. We probably won't believe him if someone claims that even if he has access to the wallet addresses. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: OPisSATOOSHI on December 02, 2019, 02:32:55 PM It is impossible to prove that somebody is Satoshi. I'm just kiddin' :) OP is the real Satoshi. He is informing us that it is impossible to prove that somebody else is Satoshi. Title: Re: It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. Post by: robelneo on December 02, 2019, 03:59:14 PM It is impossible to prove that somebody is Satoshi. But at least he has those things that others who claim they are Satoshi Nakamoto don't have, and that's a good start and from there we can validate him if he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto our old members and experts here knows many things about the real Satoshi so they can ask questions and get hints if he is the real one.I firmly believe that even if real satoshi turned up one day, people will also declare him Faketoshi. This is so true. Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now. He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi. |