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Title: Was Hal Finney the real Satoshi?
Post by: Truthraider on November 30, 2019, 11:09:59 AM
Curious to see different theories on Hal Finney. I believe he may have sent the first Bitcoin transaction to himself. How may of you guys own multiple BTC addresses and do this every day? I know I do.



Title: Re: Was Hal Finney the real Satoshi?
Post by: Astvile on November 30, 2019, 11:32:31 AM
How may of you guys own multiple BTC addresses and do this every day? I know I do.


I'm pretty sure everyone does have multiple wallets addresses. And I'm sure everyone does that stuff everyday sending bitcoins from your dummy wallet to your main wallet or vice versa, it has something to do with anonymity at least for me tho, that's the reason why I send funds from my main to dummy.


Title: Re: Was Hal Finney the real Satoshi?
Post by: joinfree on November 30, 2019, 11:34:07 AM
OMG! so can't you guys ask any question other than the identity of Satoshi? Is this going to bring any bread on your table? There is so much to learn about cryptocurrency, blockchain technology and the whole digital world which senior forum members are willing to help explain to you. But no, you guys choose to ask that one question which has been asked over a hundred times in here.

All questions regarding the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto are yawned at!


Title: Re: Was Hal Finney the real Satoshi?
Post by: btc_angela on November 30, 2019, 11:35:03 AM
Read this: The Identity of Satoshi Nakamoto (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2680645.0).

Or,

Who is Satoshi Nakamoto ? Suspects, frauds and conspiracies on bitcointalk (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4359615.0).

/enuff said.


Title: Re: Was Hal Finney the real Satoshi?
Post by: CryptoBry on November 30, 2019, 12:09:48 PM
Curious to see different theories on Hal Finney. I believe he may have sent the first Bitcoin transaction to himself. How may of you guys own multiple BTC addresses and do this every day? I know I do.

Just because some people have the habit of sending Bitcoin to another address they also control is not enough to conclude that Hal Finney can be the real Satoshi Nakamoto. There are already many long discussions and interpolations on this matter and the overall verdict is that Hal Finney was a different person than Satoshi Nakamoto. In other words, there is still that big possibility that indeed Satoshi is still alive and just having the grand days of his life hiding somewhere. And this is in fact making the search for the real guy continue.


Title: Re: Was Hal Finney the real Satoshi?
Post by: alyssa85 on November 30, 2019, 12:12:51 PM
Haf Finney used to be a member of this forum before he died, and in 2013, he wrote a huge post called "Bitcoin and Me" giving the history of how he came to be involved.

I recommend everyone read it:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=155054.0

He wasn't satoshi, and he was ill a lot of the time Satoshi and Gavin Andreeson were working out the bugs in the bitcoin wallet.


Title: Re: Was Hal Finney the real Satoshi?
Post by: Baby Dragon on November 30, 2019, 12:34:30 PM
OMG! so can't you guys ask any question other than the identity of Satoshi? Is this going to bring any bread on your table? There is so much to learn about cryptocurrency, blockchain technology and the whole digital world which senior forum members are willing to help explain to you. But no, you guys choose to ask that one question which has been asked over a hundred times in here.

All questions regarding the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto are yawned at!
Point well made, I understand your concern that its kinda annoying but they are still pretty curious regarding it. OP, it's better if you should do your own research because in that way you can understand things easily and learn a lot of things. Just do some exploration to answer your own questions because you can't always expect people to answer the same question for multiple times. Hal Finney isn't Satoshi, if that's him why would he choose to hide himself all those years? it means no one knows the person behind that pseudonym and we should just accept it.


Title: Re: Was Hal Finney the real Satoshi?
Post by: Shasha80 on November 30, 2019, 12:39:42 PM
It's true Hal Finney often sends bitcoin from one wallet to another, and we all do that too often. Because almost everyone has a multiple
bitcoin wallet. And that doesn't prove that Hal Finney is satoshi nakamoto. Are we all not bored with discussing the identity of satoshi nakamoto,
there have been many topics discussing this. It's better to let satoshi nakamoto remain anonymous, because satoshi also wants his privacy to be
maintained. We just respect the decision of Satoshi Nakamoto who does not want to reveal his true identity. We focus on his creation bitcoin.
Because then our time is more productive than thinking about Satoshi Nakamoto's identity.


Title: Re: Was Hal Finney the real Satoshi?
Post by: kryptqnick on November 30, 2019, 12:46:49 PM
Haf Finney used to be a member of this forum before he died, and in 2013, he wrote a huge post called "Bitcoin and Me" giving the history of how he came to be involved.

I recommend everyone read it:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=155054.0

He wasn't satoshi, and he was ill a lot of the time Satoshi and Gavin Andreeson were working out the bugs in the bitcoin wallet.
Apart from this post, there is also the fact that Hal and Satoshi accounts on bitcointalk talked in threads sometimes. I remember one of Satoshi posts saying something like "thank you, Hal, it means a lot coming from you". Why would Satoshi thank himself like that? So the answer is definitely 'No'.
Till this day it's unclear who is the real Satoshi, but it doesn't mean that literally anyone could be that person. Some people can be crossed out. Hal is one of them.


Title: Re: Was Hal Finney the real Satoshi?
Post by: samuraijin on November 30, 2019, 12:50:05 PM
Curious to see different theories on Hal Finney. I believe he may have sent the first Bitcoin transaction to himself. How may of you guys own multiple BTC addresses and do this every day? I know I do.


I'm not sure Hal finney thing is Satoshi, but why lately there are so many threads to reveal who satoshi is? even great people on the internet may not be able to find it, if you don't believe it, please start to find out I'm sure your time will be wasted


Title: Re: Was Hal Finney the real Satoshi?
Post by: BChydro on November 30, 2019, 12:53:47 PM
Apart from this post, there is also the fact that Hal and Satoshi accounts on bitcointalk talked in threads sometimes. I remember one of Satoshi posts saying something like "thank you, Hal, it means a lot coming from you". Why would Satoshi thank himself like that? So the answer is definitely 'No'.
Multiple personal disorder is what the OP is claiming  :D, you have to remember the forum started when they were solely communicating to improve bitcoin and there was no incentives and they were attracted because of the white paper Satoshi released and Hal Finney was one of the cryptograpy experts that got attracted by this project and that is the history.


Title: Re: Was Hal Finney the real Satoshi?
Post by: Coin_trader on November 30, 2019, 01:00:10 PM
Curious to see different theories on Hal Finney. I believe he may have sent the first Bitcoin transaction to himself. How may of you guys own multiple BTC addresses and do this every day? I know I do.


I'm not sure Hal finney thing is Satoshi, but why lately there are so many threads to reveal who satoshi is? even great people on the internet may not be able to find it, if you don't believe it, please start to find out I'm sure your time will be wasted

Becuase this is the most easy and convenient topic for newbie members that want to start a thread. They don't mind if the topic was discussed several times in the past. Just click report to the moderator button if you feel that this topic is redundant.


Title: Re: Was Hal Finney the real Satoshi?
Post by: seandiumx20 on November 30, 2019, 01:03:43 PM
Apart from this post, there is also the fact that Hal and Satoshi accounts on bitcointalk talked in threads sometimes. I remember one of Satoshi posts saying something like "thank you, Hal, it means a lot coming from you". Why would Satoshi thank himself like that? So the answer is definitely 'No'.
Multiple personal disorder is what the OP is claiming  :D, you have to remember the forum started when they were solely communicating to improve bitcoin and there was no incentives and they were attracted because of the white paper Satoshi released and Hal Finney was one of the cryptograpy experts that got attracted by this project and that is the history.
So it means that it's very impossible for satoshi to talk to himself right?
For those who're saying this, then you're making satoshi as a dumb person. Why would he talk to himself, we know that even there's no incentives from the start, many people tried to learn bitcoin already because of its blockchain so Hal Finney wasn't satoshi.


Title: Re: Was Hal Finney the real Satoshi?
Post by: BrewMaster on November 30, 2019, 01:06:02 PM
I believe he may have sent the first Bitcoin transaction to himself.

specially because of this case, you can have solid proof that Hal Finney is NOT Satoshi Nakamoto. because it would be the weirdest thing to do at a time where there were others he could have send the bitcoin to if he were Satoshi and send it to himself!
when you want to show how the system works and get others involved you want to send coins to "OTHERS".


Title: Re: Was Hal Finney the real Satoshi?
Post by: sovie on November 30, 2019, 01:20:51 PM
OMG! so can't you guys ask any question other than the identity of Satoshi? Is this going to bring any bread on your table? There is so much to learn about cryptocurrency, blockchain technology and the whole digital world which senior forum members are willing to help explain to you. But no, you guys choose to ask that one question which has been asked over a hundred times in here.

All questions regarding the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto are yawned at!

Such questions pop up every now and then here because we answer them everytime. I suggest there must a separate forum on bitcointalk.org where people can discuss only about who is satoshi nakamoto because curiosity on finding satoshi is far from being over.


Title: Re: Was Hal Finney the real Satoshi?
Post by: seandiumx20 on November 30, 2019, 01:28:40 PM
I believe he may have sent the first Bitcoin transaction to himself.

specially because of this case, you can have solid proof that Hal Finney is NOT Satoshi Nakamoto. because it would be the weirdest thing to do at a time where there were others he could have send the bitcoin to if he were Satoshi and send it to himself!
when you want to show how the system works and get others involved you want to send coins to "OTHERS".

True, you need to evaluate the system by the other people. How will you sure that it really works if you will just try it with yourself. That's not the right thing to do when it comes to evaluation. They should allow other people to test it to say it's working.  


Title: Re: Was Hal Finney the real Satoshi?
Post by: BrewMaster on November 30, 2019, 02:32:37 PM
I believe he may have sent the first Bitcoin transaction to himself.

specially because of this case, you can have solid proof that Hal Finney is NOT Satoshi Nakamoto. because it would be the weirdest thing to do at a time where there were others he could have send the bitcoin to if he were Satoshi and send it to himself!
when you want to show how the system works and get others involved you want to send coins to "OTHERS".

True, you need to evaluate the system by the other people. How will you sure that it really works if you will just try it with yourself. That's not the right thing to do when it comes to evaluation. They should allow other people to test it to say it's working.  ;)

it was more about the process being public between two person though. otherwise as a developer, you yourself always test your own system that you designed and created to see if it works fine before releasing it. but those tests are not something you release to public like this with another "person".


Title: Re: Was Hal Finney the real Satoshi?
Post by: Deathwing on November 30, 2019, 02:39:10 PM
No. But he was a legendary person for sure. I find it unnecessary to dig into Satoshi's identity at this point. This topic has been discussed over and over again since the day one, just accept it and move on. Considering that no one still knows and no one knew then, that must mean that they just want to stay anonymous.


Title: Re: Was Hal Finney the real Satoshi?
Post by: YuginKadoya on November 30, 2019, 02:59:39 PM
Here we go again, So many curious people about the identity of Satoshi which is I think doesn't need any kind of attention in my opinion, Because Satoshi Nakamoto doesn't want to get involved for sure and just want a peace of mind, And if Hal Finney really is Satoshi I think he would like to just leave him be and if the Bitcoin is anonymous so does the creator wants to be anonymous as well,

And in my opinion, if satoshi would show himself to the public there is no one will believe him as well, there are many people that have shown to the public proofs that they really are Satoshi but people would surely second thought about it, I think even if the real satoshi would show up it will just be the same.


Title: Re: Was Hal Finney the real Satoshi?
Post by: tungaqhd on November 30, 2019, 03:02:23 PM
Curious to see different theories on Hal Finney. I believe he may have sent the first Bitcoin transaction to himself. How may of you guys own multiple BTC addresses and do this every day? I know I do.


I think you should read this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=155054.0
He said that he was the first person besides Satoshi to run bitcoin, he report bugs to satoshi.


Title: Re: Was Hal Finney the real Satoshi?
Post by: iamaruf on November 30, 2019, 04:05:38 PM
Last few days i saw many posts that who is satoshi,why he is hiding himself etc. Actually  satoshi know better. If you google you will find thousands of controversy.
Hal Finney not real satoshi,he was the first bitcoin recipient.
Wikipedia link:   https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Finney_(computer_scientist)


Title: Re: Was Hal Finney the real Satoshi?
Post by: Darooghe on November 30, 2019, 04:42:42 PM
Hal has always been my first candidate for who Satoshi is. there are a lot of details supporting this theory. for example, he's a cypherpunk and had contact on Crypto circles before Bitcoin. Hal had a neighbor called Dorian Nakamoto, but had Satoshi as first name. I think he "stoled" this name as alias. further Satoshi disappeared a little before Hal entered the last phase of it's degenerative illness and the first transaction from Satoshi went to Hal. I think Hal created the masking identity to decrypt himself and introduce Bitcoin from the safety of relative anonymity, simultaneously supporting Bitcoin as himself.


Title: Re: Was Hal Finney the real Satoshi?
Post by: okae on November 30, 2019, 06:34:38 PM
Hal has always been my first candidate for who Satoshi is. there are a lot of details supporting this theory. for example, he's a cypherpunk and had contact on Crypto circles before Bitcoin. Hal had a neighbor called Dorian Nakamoto, but had Satoshi as first name. I think he "stoled" this name as alias. further Satoshi disappeared a little before Hal entered the last phase of it's degenerative illness and the first transaction from Satoshi went to Hal. I think Hal created the masking identity to decrypt himself and introduce Bitcoin from the safety of relative anonymity, simultaneously supporting Bitcoin as himself.

+1

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist, no, im not saying Hal is/was the devil, im saying that he MAYBE was so smart to let us beleive that he is/was not satoshi.... people should never dismiss this theory


Title: Re: Was Hal Finney the real Satoshi?
Post by: alani123 on November 30, 2019, 06:40:22 PM
Curious to see different theories on Hal Finney. I believe he may have sent the first Bitcoin transaction to himself. How may of you guys own multiple BTC addresses and do this every day? I know I do.
If you own a real bitcoin wallet, you transact to yourself by default via any change your transactions have. :D

But on the question in the OP, I think it's a bit of an absurd claim that has been discussed quite a bit already. in my view, Hal (R.I.P.) lived a busy, creative and productive life before encountering BTC, he was fascinated by this encounter evidently. But really, to say that he was Satoshi, doesn't fit the picture well.


Title: Re: Was Hal Finney the real Satoshi?
Post by: samuraijin on December 01, 2019, 12:00:53 PM
Curious to see different theories on Hal Finney. I believe he may have sent the first Bitcoin transaction to himself. How may of you guys own multiple BTC addresses and do this every day? I know I do.


I'm not sure Hal finney thing is Satoshi, but why lately there are so many threads to reveal who satoshi is? even great people on the internet may not be able to find it, if you don't believe it, please start to find out I'm sure your time will be wasted

Becuase this is the most easy and convenient topic for newbie members that want to start a thread. They don't mind if the topic was discussed several times in the past. Just click report to the moderator button if you feel that this topic is redundant.
yes it is true this topic does look easy to be answered as a posting material for users of this forum and I am also easy to report this to the moderator, but I do not want to interfere with the rights of others in this forum, so letting this be knowledge also for new users


Title: Re: Was Hal Finney the real Satoshi?
Post by: Kambal2000 on December 01, 2019, 05:15:10 PM
Hal has always been my first candidate for who Satoshi is. there are a lot of details supporting this theory. for example, he's a cypherpunk and had contact on Crypto circles before Bitcoin. Hal had a neighbor called Dorian Nakamoto, but had Satoshi as first name. I think he "stoled" this name as alias. further Satoshi disappeared a little before Hal entered the last phase of it's degenerative illness and the first transaction from Satoshi went to Hal. I think Hal created the masking identity to decrypt himself and introduce Bitcoin from the safety of relative anonymity, simultaneously supporting Bitcoin as himself.

With those I have red too, I think he's the real Satoshi too, it's just so sad that he's now dead, but still we are lucky that he managed to do Bitcoin that will serve as his one of his greatest piece, hope one day he will recognize for this for what he did, well, there's still no assurance for now, but I am one of those who believes that he's the real one.


Title: Re: Was Hal Finney the real Satoshi?
Post by: Twentyonepaylots on December 01, 2019, 05:36:57 PM
Read this: The Identity of Satoshi Nakamoto (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2680645.0).

/enuff said.
I habe doubts on my mind after reading this 1)I haven't heard of any information that there is a real Satoshi Nakamoto that lived just next street from Hal. (Investigators could've know it by searching within its vicinity) 2) Wei Dai was the second person contacted by Satoshi for its b-money (Maybe they made this all up too) 3) If Hal was really a genius, he could've not sent to himself the first bitcoin as it will only made him much suspectful.

Even after all this speculation, still Satoshi does not want to be known cause if he wanted to, he had a choice in the very beginning.


Title: Re: Was Hal Finney the real Satoshi?
Post by: Hamphser on December 01, 2019, 05:54:18 PM
Last few days i saw many posts that who is satoshi,why he is hiding himself etc. Actually  satoshi know better. If you google you will find thousands of controversy.
Hal Finney not real satoshi,he was the first bitcoin recipient.
Wikipedia link:   https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Finney_(computer_scientist)
Can't say yes, can't say no but the reports and thread made to find the real Satoshi Nakamoto were everywhere here. We can only suspect who's the real satoshi but cannot confirm his/their real identity. Everyone who is involved of creating and helping satoshi to make the bitcoin is a suspect as the real Satoshi Nakamoto.