Title: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: mikeywith on December 07, 2019, 01:35:14 AM On their twitter, Whatsminer announced a new beast, the brand new M30s.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Whatsminer_MBT/status/1203038918389616640?s=20 Does 88th at 3344watts , price and shipping dates are unkown yet, but honestly 38j/t is quite a great achievement, i am more than happy seeing competition improvement as far as the mining industry is concerned, price will be the main thing to look for here ,so lets wait and see how this goes for whatsminer. Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: wndsnb on December 07, 2019, 02:25:04 AM Interesting. But the way it's worded in the tweet it sounds like the 88T may be at a full speed and the 38 J/T may be at a low power mode.
Quote M30S can achieve power ratio as low as 38 J/T and hashrate as high as 88T! If that is the case, then at full speed this thing could be pulling over 4kW! I can already smell the electrical fires..... Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: judypug1956 on December 07, 2019, 02:26:08 AM video shows 3359 watts an 88500 hash pretty impressive.
But I am not a fan of one cable for 3350 watts Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: wndsnb on December 07, 2019, 02:33:08 AM video shows 3359 watts an 88500 hash pretty impressive. But I am not a fan of one cable for 3350 watts Just went back and saw that and was about to edit my post but you beat me to it. Yeah, still a lot of power for a single cable. Pretty much requires you to go 240V. 208V is over 16A , right near the limit of the C19. Although I did see a m20s running when I visited my host a few weeks back. I felt the power cable and it wasn't warm. I think they are running 240 though and the power cord looked really beefy. Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: philipma1957 on December 07, 2019, 04:11:37 AM I run 2 m20s
I run 1 m21s I use this cable https://www.ebay.com/itm/L6-30P-C19-Molded-Power-Cord-10ft-220V-250V-30A-Ships-Free-/202821644944 12 gauge my volts are about 225 so 16 x 225 = 3600 watts this is very close margin of error. all three units get a lot of air. they are all near 3 3000 cfm fans https://i.imgur.com/gpq1p8X.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/gpq1p8X.jpg) I would be afraid to run 20 or 30 of these units this is before we added these fans the three big miners are not in place yet but would be on the left of this rack https://i.imgur.com/KZblZ5x.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/KZblZ5x.jpg) My fear is 20 or 30 units will be risky. I would not mind one or two of them. Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: fccs on December 09, 2019, 12:49:02 AM LOL they can barely deliver their m20 and m20s's on time. Idiots. I'm sure it will be a idiotic (PREORDER NOW, 8 MONTHS DELIVERY) and you will get it 2 months late. By that time bitmain will have 20J miner out and lower price. Yea, screw whats miner. My m20's are finally arriving tomorrow...that I ordered in July.
Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: philipma1957 on December 09, 2019, 01:11:36 AM LOL they can barely deliver their m20 and m20s's on time. Idiots. I'm sure it will be a idiotic (PREORDER NOW, 8 MONTHS DELIVERY) and you will get it 2 months late. By that time bitmain will have 20J miner out and lower price. Yea, screw whats miner. My m20's are finally arriving tomorrow...that I ordered in July. l would not be buying from them at this time. as pangolin or whatsminer / microbt did wrong. way too many units were too slow to show. Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: mikeywith on December 09, 2019, 11:12:04 AM Makes a lot of sense, the last time I had to buy a Whatsminer M21s I had to get it from a resellers in China to avoid the misery, I think I paid an extra 100$ compared to buying it directly from Whatsminer but i heard about the delays and stuff so I took a safer route, non of the Chinese resellers I know of complained about not receiving their gears on time, seems like Whatsminer put those guys on top of their list and screw the rest of the world ;D Having said that I do think that they will get their shit together this time if they do want to stay in the market and not lose any more clients , anyway so far they haven't announced any release data or price, if they can bet bitmain's prices I might be willing to take the risk of getting an M30s just to review it. Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: fccs on December 11, 2019, 06:53:07 AM My m20's finally are running and doing well. The company itself is what went down south this year. They dropped the ball hard. I won't be buying whatsminer next year unless in stock ships same week. Never doing a preorder with them again after this drama.
Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: taserz on December 11, 2019, 02:14:08 PM l would not be buying from them at this time. as pangolin or whatsminer / microbt did wrong. way too many units were too slow to show. I mean do what I did. You can flip your m20s upside down and you can actually cook your breakfast on it... I cooked 2 eggs and scrambled them on my M20s. You need to think big picture it's an amazing hot plate that ALSO mines crypto. Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: Philopolymath on December 11, 2019, 11:55:50 PM And my M20 arrived DEAD and cost 560 bucks to return...4 months after payment.
Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: Instatic on January 18, 2020, 11:37:45 AM bad experience at pangolinminers ... 6 weeks delay
i want get some more miners in china, i know a fairly good place for mining ... i dont know where i can buy Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: mikeywith on January 19, 2020, 11:40:15 PM Have you tried other manufacturers such as?
Those are the three well known companies beside pangolinminers/MicroBt ,firstly try to get the gears from their website directly as it's usually cheaper, if not then try to source trusted rellers, it's really not a rocket science, it's pretty simple. The market place is full of resellers, most are probably scammers so make sure you use escrow. Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: Philopolymath on January 24, 2020, 03:17:58 AM So far Inno is the only manufacture that has not fucked me with shit gear.
After my nightmare with the M20 NFW will I ever buy gear from them again. Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: philipma1957 on January 24, 2020, 04:20:34 AM So far Inno is the only manufacture that has not fucked me with shit gear. After my nightmare with the M20 NFW will I ever buy gear from them again. For 2019 Whatsminer was okay for me.. But I have not ordered much from them after my July delivery. The prices rose and the preorder time went far out. No 2019 builder was truly perfect for me. Bitmain was almost. about 23 good and 3 so so . next would be cannan 3 good 1 so so 1 bad then whatsminer 7 with no issues 4 with issues. inno was the worst for me. 1 good 1 so so it was late and pulled lots of power. Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: akagi82 on January 24, 2020, 04:29:41 AM Bitmain T17: 30, 2 DOA, 2 lost a hash boarddied after 3 weeks.... This is with near freezing room.
Innosilicon: 5 perfect, never had to reboot. Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: philipma1957 on January 24, 2020, 04:37:44 AM bitmain is the winner for me in 2019
room runs 70-90f. every s17 pro good. 16 of them t17. good. 2 of them t17e. good. 2 but pulls 3300-3400 watts way over spec. s9k. okay. 4. 1 drops out now and then. s15. good. 1 t15. good. 1 t17+. good. 1 27 pieces feb 2019 to dec 2019. various run times. just kept adding them month by month. Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: AlecMe on February 20, 2020, 07:20:36 PM Guys,
It is now up for sale! $2,430.00 38W/TH and delivery March 20 – 30, 1.5 months (-ish) to halving. But, 1 cable to pull 3268W ± 10% worries me alot as a home user. https://pangolinminer.com/product/whatsminer-m30s-with-psu/ Code: ATTENTION: This product is currently in pre-order stage,the product will be shipped during March 20 – 30, 2020. For more details, please contact sales@pangolinminer.com Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: HagssFIN on February 20, 2020, 07:48:14 PM Wow, another big power boy, and the efficiency just keeps getting better. The current load is indeed quite close to the nominal max. current (16 Amps) for the C19 connector. But the power consumption is quite the same as with the M20S. I did not notice any alarming heat in the C19 connector with my M20S.
Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: NotFuzzyWarm on February 20, 2020, 08:40:38 PM Just for the record, max rating on the C19/C20 depends on which is used - International or North America rating - and of course the wire size the cord has.
per Interpower (who makes them) (https://www.interpower.com/ic/InfoPower/iec-60320-c19-c20.html) Quote C19 connectors offered by Interpower are rated at 16A/250VAC international and 20A/125 or 250VAC North America with a temperature rating of up to 70°C/158°F. C20 inlets are also rated at 16A/250VAC international and 20A/250VAC North America. The temperature rating is 60°C/140°F to 70°C/158°F, depending on the approval agency. While personally I'd use the 16A rating, the N.A. rating of 20A does make me feel better about pushing it. Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: philipma1957 on February 20, 2020, 09:03:20 PM I am still running 2 m20s and 1 m21s
all pull over 3200 watts. I used these cables https://www.ebay.com/itm/L6-30P-to-C19-Molded-Power-Cord-10ft-220V-250V-30A-Ships-Free/202904653534? I would consider buying one of these just because it does have most hash rate of any unit out there. But the risk factors are high. Due march 20-30 very easy for that to come on May 5 a 35-40 day delay The ½ ing comes on May 1 to May 10 You could lose 30 plus pre ½ ing days of mining. Not sure I want to risk this. Pangolin was very good to me from August 2018 up to August 2019. They then had a lot off late shipping issues. I am not sure I want to lay out 2400 and not be sure of delivery. Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: wndsnb on February 23, 2020, 02:26:27 PM The price they are asking seems way too high for a miner that will only see a month of pre-halving operation (if they ship on time). The only way this price makes sense to me is if you expect BTC price to double or diff to halve before or very close after the halving. If that happens, then ROI with 5c/kWh power is about 250 days. If price and diff remain the same, then ROI with 5c/kWh power is 435 days, 500 days if they are late and you miss all pre-halving mining. Judging by how Bitmain has priced their miners in the past, I'm guessing they'll crush this price when they release their 5nm miners.
Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: philipma1957 on February 23, 2020, 02:58:14 PM The price they are asking seems way too high for a miner that will only see a month of pre-halving operation (if they ship on time). The only way this price makes sense to me is if you expect BTC price to double or diff to halve before or very close after the halving. If that happens, then ROI with 5c/kWh power is about 250 days. If price and diff remain the same, then ROI with 5c/kWh power is 435 days, 500 days if they are late and you miss all pre-halving mining. Judging by how Bitmain has priced their miners in the past, I'm guessing they'll crush this price when they release their 5nm miners. funny you should mention this. I was on pangolin website looking at the m21 a 60 watt machine which ships to usa in 5 days. cost of 600 bucks does 27 th so buy 3 send one to your brother and one to your house and one to you mother. legally avoids trump tax cost of 3 x 600 = 1800 for 81 th the three pieces are in stock and should show in 10 days or less. but 1 m30 = 2700 for 81th the unit will show in 30 days if lucky you may pay 650 trump tax cost of 3300 so same hash for 900 to 1500 more usd. and at least a 20 day delay to get the 38 watt single m30 vs the 60 watt 3 m21 for 20 days 80th = 250 so I am 1150 to 1750 in the hole buying the new gear assuming they show on time. (hmm how often is that) 38 x 80 = 3100 watts 60 x 80 = 4800 watts a 1700 watt difference lets make it 2000 that is 2 kwatts x 24 = 48 kwatts a day lets make it 50 kwatts a day at 5 cents that is 2.50 a day in power savings. so 1150/2.50 = 460 days and 1750/2.50 = 700 days so buying 1 m30s will take 460 to 700 days to make up the price difference over buying 3 m21 pieces of gear. So as much as you may want the m30s it simply makes close to zero $$ sense at 5 cent power. you can argue it makes sense at 10 cent power but it still means 230 to 350 days to make up for the extra cost of the m30 and we all know mining at 10 cent power = loser for the last few years. I did factor with and without trump tax. I did not factor what if the psu breaks on the m30s you have zero hash on the m21 you have 3 pieces so 1 dead one means you have 53 or 54 th left. So for those that want the best gear they are paying a high premium for it. Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: ccgllc on February 28, 2020, 01:06:09 AM Is this shipper valid? Price seems too good to be true:
https://microbtmining.com/product/microbt-whatsminer-m30s/ Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: philipma1957 on February 28, 2020, 01:10:50 AM I would not use them.
every one else says April shipping they say 1 week. I would deactivate the link. Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: ccgllc on February 28, 2020, 01:21:28 AM Yeah, 2 red-flags - half the price of some other sites, and faster delivery... greed is, however, a powerful if often foolish, motivator.
Just have 150+ S9s that haven't been profitable to run for some time. Were at $10,200, but are not now. Am looking to re-bootstrap my shop - but likely going to wait post-halving now and see what reality is. Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: freddy2020 on March 23, 2020, 04:44:07 PM These machines are avaliable now and being shipped.
I saw Vincent VP whatsminer posted this price list and avalability in social media Very competitive pricing for the m30 and m31 ranges. https://ibb.co/dMSBj9B https://ibb.co/n8GYLH9 https://ibb.co/pQcSzQP Image bb links Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: philipma1957 on March 23, 2020, 09:50:50 PM Pangolin has a m31s to ship late may
https://pangolinminer.com/product/whatsminer-m31s-with-psu/ who cares it is 42 watts a th a 76 th unit. pulls 3300 watts. they have a m30s to ship ing five days for 2430 https://pangolinminer.com/product/whatsminer-m30s-with-psu/ claims it can do 38 watts a th pulls 3268 watts does 86th if they really shipped it in five days. you could get maybe 50 days pre ½ ing. Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: freddy2020 on March 24, 2020, 07:28:40 AM The ones i mention are shipping same day :) and way cheaper than Pangolin.
M30s 1960 USD. Directly from Whatsminer. Peace Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: philipma1957 on March 24, 2020, 02:15:42 PM Okay I think this link is bullshit
hxxps://microbtmining.com/product/microbt-whatsminer-m30s/ they offer the m30s at only 1150 with 1 week delivery time. don't buy from them. https://whois.net/ look up has them at only around since last year. microbt.com is around since 2016 https://www.microbt.com/ they are the actual builder of the gear. Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: freddy2020 on March 24, 2020, 02:20:42 PM Scammers. Microbt.com is the legit website.
Title: Re: MicroBT announced M30s Post by: minefarmbuy on March 24, 2020, 03:39:00 PM Obvious scam at that pricing, though MB is shipping with in 7 days we're told.
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