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Title: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: Pipdips on December 08, 2019, 04:40:36 PM
And I need everyones support. Obviously once I'm in there, this place is going to start stepping up to becoming a smokeshow of talented traders. Let's clean this place up and do what it takes.

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Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: TinaK on December 08, 2019, 07:31:40 PM
And I need everyones support. Obviously once I'm in there, this place is going to start stepping up to becoming a smokeshow of talented traders. Let's clean this place up and do what it takes.

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You are not in the right place to to higher the people to work with you in your trading or any kind of platform. While you are looking for the good service provider you need to look out among the moderators and dt members in this forum.
Check out services board and while dealing for payment have one escrow for it.


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: LoyceMobile on December 08, 2019, 07:36:17 PM
It doesn't work like that.
First, you should post this in Meta.
Second, I'm curious how many good reports you have on the board you want to moderate.


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on December 08, 2019, 07:44:07 PM
You are not in the right place to to higher the people to work with you in your trading or any kind of platform. While you are looking for the good service provider you need to look out among the moderators and dt members in this forum.
Check out services board and while dealing for payment have one escrow for it.
LOL, WAT?

First, you should post this in Meta.
Agreed.  OP, is this a fantasy of yours or did you get offered a position as moderator?  I'm assuming it's the former since I've heard no discussion about this anywhere, which is usually what happens as in the case of Flying Hellfish becoming the mod of P&S.  You can't just nominate yourself out of the blue--well, you could but I don't think it would have much of an effect.  

Oh, by the way you just registered here in May.  I seriously don't think you have enough experience on the forum to be a moderator.


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: bittraffic on December 08, 2019, 07:46:05 PM

You have to be trusted member to become one. It gives you some rights to do modification which I believe you must be a very trust worthy person if chosen to be a moderator.  Its a paying job as far as I know, I also wanted a position but I'd like to keep my schedule at the same time to be completely free like waking up late and will just visit the forum after work at night. I guess you became a moderator, its like 9-5 job or to 9-9 day job.


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: nelson4lov on December 08, 2019, 08:17:44 PM

You have to be trusted member to become one. It gives you some rights to do modification which I believe you must be a very trust worthy person if chosen to be a moderator.  Its a paying job as far as I know, I also wanted a position but I'd like to keep my schedule at the same time to be completely free like waking up late and will just visit the forum after work at night. I guess you became a moderator, its like 9-5 job or to 9-9 day job.

The big question is how competent he is and whether or not he can get things done correctly. I also doubt that he has the required experience to take up the position. He should simply concern himself with getting experience rather than stuffs like schedule or payment.  I suggest starts small like making accurate reports and maybe get experience by moderating local boards before working his way to the top – moderating global boards.



Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: joniboini on December 09, 2019, 03:43:17 AM
Obviously once I'm in there, this place is going to start stepping up to becoming a smokeshow of talented traders. Let's clean this place up and do what it takes.

This sounds like a political promise that we know most of the time won't get fulfilled because politicians are busy collecting money for themselves.


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: ecnalubma on December 09, 2019, 04:06:47 AM
And I need everyones support. Obviously once I'm in there, this place is going to start stepping up to becoming a smokeshow of talented traders. Let's clean this place up and do what it takes.

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It doesn’t work like that mate. Every person who wants to become moderator will undergo a process, even if you have good qualities and expertise in the field it will not guarantee you a position in the forum. However you can continue help this forum and build good reputation.


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: Wexnident on December 09, 2019, 04:19:16 AM
Oh no no no. You don't need our support or our help. YOU need to prove that you're actually worthy of being a mod. You need to show it in your activities, posts as well as having a good eye for both good and bad posts.  I don't exactly know how the process goes but simply reporting really bad posts to mods and letting the people know about good posts are the first steps to getting known, cause right now, you look like what this guy said:
This sounds like a political promise that we know most of the time won't get fulfilled because politicians are busy collecting money for themselves.


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: Reid on December 09, 2019, 06:25:55 AM
You gain Merits of people first.
Then maybe you could sign up for that asking the admin here.
You cannot just tell users here to support me like it is a democratic voting campaign.  ;D

Trust, efforts, and maybe some good starting threads that makes you a valuable moderator.
I dont see that now. I see other users better than you.

What is the real reason behind this?


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: BitHodler on December 09, 2019, 09:21:35 AM
This sounds like a political promise that we know most of the time won't get fulfilled because politicians are busy collecting money for themselves.
I have read through many of OP's threads in the last couple of months and they all seem like political gibberish, so on that front you make a very good point even though it's partly meant as a joke as well.

OP is probably after an easy pay as moderator. If you combine that with some degree of power on this forum that allows him to delete other's posts when he doesn't agree with others, the story starts to get more shape.


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: Dart18 on December 09, 2019, 11:33:03 AM
And I need everyones support. Obviously once I'm in there, this place is going to start stepping up to becoming a smokeshow of talented traders. Let's clean this place up and do what it takes.


I didn't know this is how it should be done to be a moderator.  ;D

Maybe we should wait for the answers of our dear moderators to him.
This should not be here in trading discussion though, there isn't one that goes by that topic. It is like an application? Or a revolution?  ;D
Looks to me like he wanted the people's support.


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: Apened on December 09, 2019, 01:28:55 PM
And I need everyones support. Obviously once I'm in there, this place is going to start stepping up to becoming a smokeshow of talented traders. Let's clean this place up and do what it takes.

Contests
Journals
Specialists
Special sub-forum

Much more to come!
Instead of being a moderator if that happens why not try moderating here ay first that you need to spend time here talking anf sharing your ideas anf with that maybe you can earn some. Trust from this thread and of course merit so you can join being a miderator here soon. You can but you can't make ot right now.


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: rez303 on December 09, 2019, 01:44:43 PM
And I need everyones support. Obviously once I'm in there, this place is going to start stepping up to becoming a smokeshow of talented traders. Let's clean this place up and do what it takes.

Contests
Journals
Specialists
Special sub-forum

Much more to come!
So why didn't you say your plan after becoming a moderator on the Trading topic? This is quite similar to the people of the United States electing the president. We need to see your strengths and your point of view before supporting and assisting you. Come back here and give us your ideas and then we'll do the next step. I know that what you are talking about is quite new but I need more details.


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: LouVandetta on December 09, 2019, 02:17:09 PM
And I need everyones support. Obviously once I'm in there, this place is going to start stepping up to becoming a smokeshow of talented traders. Let's clean this place up and do what it takes.
Okaayyyy, why should we support you to become a moderator on the trading disscusion board? Let's forget for a min about the other mods and global moderator's opinion. How are you so sure that we will back you up for such thing? What achievements do you have that makes you so confident you're able to make this board a better one than before?  

It's kinda funny seeing something like this, I'm not saying OP's intention is wrong, but it doesnt work like that. It's not that simple, you need to ask the permission of other mods first. Just because someone asked to be a mod, they won't magically become one.


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: enhu on December 09, 2019, 02:32:45 PM

Is Cyrus the moderator in the Trading Section retiring?

Trading section isn't very busy so if you are so fond of reading and moderating all the posts in this section, being a mod is one job good for your personality. I was thinking of the same thing but I think for me to be able to be a moderator in this particular section I'd have to be very good in Trading myself.


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: CyberKuro on December 09, 2019, 03:01:16 PM

Is Cyrus the moderator in the Trading Section retiring?

Trading section isn't very busy so if you are so fond of reading and moderating all the posts in this section, being a mod is one job good for your personality. I was thinking of the same thing but I think for me to be able to be a moderator in this particular section I'd have to be very good in Trading myself.

Yes, cyrus  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=78147)is the person in charge of the trading discussion, even though he is not very active in comments but it seems he is always active every day to do his job as an Administrator.
The trading section is one of a crowded board and many positive, informative and constructive thread buried. For example for some people who share their TAs and strategy to trading in a better way often missed due to many posts discuss which is not so worthy, in short, yes we need another person in charge to clean up the mess.


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: SaShiRaJaVu on December 09, 2019, 04:25:59 PM
Obviously once I'm in there, this place is going to start stepping up to becoming a smokeshow of talented traders. Let's clean this place up and do what it takes.
This sounds like a political promise that we know most of the time won't get fulfilled because politicians are busy collecting money for themselves.
It does look like a political promise that he will fulfill something if he is made the moderator  :D .

@OP if you have the aspiration to become a moderator you can start working now cleaning up the mess and you do not need to wait till you are appointed the mod.


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: Pipdips on December 09, 2019, 05:04:53 PM

Is Cyrus the moderator in the Trading Section retiring?

Trading section isn't very busy so if you are so fond of reading and moderating all the posts in this section, being a mod is one job good for your personality. I was thinking of the same thing but I think for me to be able to be a moderator in this particular section I'd have to be very good in Trading myself.
Yeah I think Cyrus is mod there but i never see any posts from Cyrus, and never get responses from PM's that i have sent. So your guess is as good as mine.

All really typical responses from people here. All negative and downvoting, opaque. My goal was to bring in new, fun, energy, but wow there is such a dark and boring "Cant be done" "You cant do that" negative Ninnys at Bitcoin Talk. Or the mods just ignore you. At least i interact with members.

Its no surprise to me anymore why Satoshi left this place.

Really where does it say that nobody can ask to be moderator like i have done? In the past i have been a moderator at a community this size for over one decade and I did fine. Then i opened my own message board community and was administrator of that. It is not rocket science, just getting along with people and interacting.

Why not try something new? And yeah I put a weird political flavor to my presentation because it is just eye catching. Otherwise i have no political assortment of any kind. I'd be mod because it would be a big challenge to grow and be part of the community. I had no knowledge that the mods here are paid.


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: Stargazer on December 09, 2019, 05:14:14 PM
Maybe you are dreaming of it, nothing true, as you are not talking real things here! You registered 7 months ago and now you want to be Bitcointalk forum moderator! This is a good joke, mate. Even you have a small amount of posts! and merit points? not mentionable! At least try to know how things work here, and be a Sr or Hero member through your good efforts posts and huge support for Bitcoin and crypto! Making jokes/fun posts like this won't help you mate.


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: Pipdips on December 09, 2019, 05:16:11 PM
Maybe you are dreaming of it, nothing true, as you are not talking real things here! You registered 7 months ago and now you want to be Bitcointalk forum moderator! This is a good joke, mate. Even you have a small amount of posts! and merit points? not mentionable! At least try to know how things work here, and be a Sr or Hero member through your good efforts posts and huge support for Bitcoin and crypto! Making jokes/fun posts like this won't help you mate.

Alright Champ

You can ban me for suggesting this but I believe the mod team has some extra fat to cut out.

This forum is negative. Merit or no merit. Hero or no hero. There is too much negativity here.


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: acdc on December 09, 2019, 05:19:37 PM
You have not even reached the full member rank yet, I think to become a Moderator you must at least be a reliable member and have a lot of contributions on the forum. You have 210 posts but only 13 merit, which proves that the majority of your posts do not contribute much.
Perhaps you should become a legendary member before you intend to race for Moderator.


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: Pipdips on December 09, 2019, 05:55:35 PM
You have not even reached the full member rank yet, I think to become a Moderator you must at least be a reliable member and have a lot of contributions on the forum. You have 210 posts but only 13 merit, which proves that the majority of your posts do not contribute much.
Perhaps you should become a legendary member before you intend to race for Moderator.
Fair enough


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: mprep on December 09, 2019, 11:02:12 PM
While the enthusiasm is admirable, you seem to hold a number of misconceptions:

  • You have to have a strong grasp of the rules, forum culture and have a substantial number of good reports under your belt. Considering you've posted this in the wrong section (moved now), I'm gonna say you might have to brush up on that.
  • Being selected as a moderator is not a popularity contest. theymos alone decides who becomes a moderator and he doesn't seem to care much about what the crowd thinks unless it really is a stalemate between several candidates.
  • A moderator can't create new boards / sub-sections. You can only ask theymos or Cyrus for them. Even then, boards are pretty much only created when there's a subset of topics dominating an existing board.
  • Who is going to fund those "contests", "journals" and "specialists". Because I really doubt it's going to be Bitcointalk and you can't really make money off of forum real-estate yourself (e.g. stickying ad threads) to compensate it. You're free to pursue those endeavors personally but in that case you don't need a moderator position.
  • You don't get to change or make policy. You can suggest it to theymos or take certain decisions that further already existing policies but in the end he's the one who has the final word.

As for the negativity, it comes with the territory: the forum's general "free (semi-constructive) speech" attitude mixed with a larger concentration of bullshitters and scammers really puts people on edge and they usually aren't shy in expressing that (me included). The highly competitive nature of crypto doesn't help either.


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: hd49728 on December 09, 2019, 11:16:18 PM
For me, it is ridiculous (somewhat) to see a user with member rank becomes a moderator. I don't offend lower rank users but the rank and the total received merits (that in turn affects their current ranks) are some of good things to glance at their contributions. As being mentioned above by the others, another type of contributions and maybe the most important when admin looks at your application is your report history.

Conbitrutions, reports, trusted, and good understandings on forum rules. Lack one of them or all of them, then there is no probability to become staffs.

AFAIK, the staff who began at low rank is Halab (one of the most recently hired staff, since 2018 maybe), from Full Member rank if I am correct.


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: Welsh on December 09, 2019, 11:28:12 PM
Expanding on mprep's response. I had roughly 38k good reports at the time I was appointed a moderator of the Altcoin sections, as well as being made a patroller. I turned down the possibility of moderating another section, because I wanted to see how I'd cope. Well, to be honest even though I had a lot of good reports, and thought I had a very good understanding on the forums guidelines. I've found that I've learned quite a lot since being a moderator, and I am still learning to this very day. If you're trying to become a moderator without demonstrating that you understand the forum guidelines through reporting then you'd probably have a very difficult time. As a reporter what seemed a trivial thing to report is totally different coming from a moderators perspective as you need to really look into it. Where as a reporter would simply get a bad report.

Here's a few things I've learned from being a moderator;

- You'll be exposed to external links a lot more often, and will need to consider privacy, and security more than you did before. This is something that I'm currently addressing as we speak. Despite being a staff member for over a year now. I'm not talking about changing your password or password strength, but going as far as changing operating systems. I was a die hard fan of Slackware at first, then moved onto Ubuntu. Recently, I've been looking at securing my system with Qubes to allow isolation when dealing with reports. Well, not the only reason, but certainly a contributing factor.

- You've really got to read the discussion no matter how brain dead it might seem to you or how uninterested you might be. To be able to deal with a report its likely you'll have to get the context that it was posted under.

- I've been reading in depth about inspecting malware, and isolating it as best as you can. Looking at the fairy tale signs of malware when it isn't known to any anti virus database.

Although, I truly do love being a moderator, and contributing to the forum. It certainly isn't for everyone, its a lot of learning. Theymos, offers guidance when you've handled something wrong, and that's pretty much how you learn. Its very much a learning on the job type thing even with good fundamental understanding of the rules. My reporting effectively guide was written when I wasn't a moderator, and I could probably add onto that tenfold from my experience this past year, and I'm still no where near perfect. For example, I've learned that leaving reports unhandled is the best thing to do in certain scenarios where as before I used to assume that was bad, and you needed to handle as many as possible.  

I think the barrier for becoming a moderator in the first place (although definitely not the only criteria) reporting a lot of posts definitely shows if you've got what it takes, because that can become a thankless task. I do remember though, and I will always remember this. Cyrus messaged me one day after busting a few accounts. He thanked me, and said to keep it up. I try, and do this to regular reporters to as I know that can sometimes be the difference in keeping this forum clean.

All of this learning has eaten into personal time, as well as time I could have been handling reports. Ultimately, I believe at the end it'll be worth it to handle reports more accurately so there's no cleaning up after me from theymos or any other moderator, but this is the sort of sacrifices all the moderators have done, and if you truly want to contribute to the forum through becoming a moderator then you've got to be willing to put in the often thankless task of reporting, and be prepared for a lot of learning ahead of you.

Us moderators never say no to more reporters though ;)

For me, it is ridiculous (somewhat) to see a user with member rank becomes a moderator. I don't offend lower rank users but the rank and the total received merits (that in turn affects their current ranks) are some of good things to glance at their contributions. As being mentioned above by the others, another type of contributions and maybe the most important when admin looks at your application is your report history.

Conbitrutions, reports, trusted. Lack one of them or all of them, then there is no probability to become staffs.

AFAIK, the staff who began at low rank is Halab (one of the most recently hired staff, since 2018 maybe), from Full Member rank if I am correct.
It is true that fairly low ranked users have become staff members before. However, I'd assume that's through demonstrating their understanding of the forum guidelines, and work ethic through reporting.


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: UserU on December 10, 2019, 03:16:40 AM
@Welsh, how many hours do you usually spend handling reports and discussions on Bitcointalk a day?


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: Upgrade00 on December 10, 2019, 05:43:53 AM
Being able to identify a problem doesn't mean you've to fix it yourself. If you feel that the trading discussion board needs cleaning up, then you can dedicate your time to it and report spam and low-value posts, there would be no reward for this service other than contributing to the success of the forum and possible reporter badges if it gets implemented.
You can also request for a sub forum without being a moderator, you just need to prove the necessity of the new section.


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: Halab on December 10, 2019, 06:46:31 AM
AFAIK, the staff who began at low rank is Halab (one of the most recently hired staff, since 2018 maybe), from Full Member rank if I am correct.

I was just a member at the time (with the same number of merits as the OP), but for local sections the requirements are probably lower.


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: Welsh on December 10, 2019, 03:18:46 PM
@Welsh, how many hours do you usually spend handling reports and discussions on Bitcointalk a day?

No idea. Varies as I have a full time job, part time education, and on call for mountain rescue 24/7 so it gets interrupted, and because of those reasons its hard to monitor the hours. Although, in the new year I should have a little more time! I'd say a couple of hours, but a lot of that is also posting here. Reports are something I do when I need a break from work.

When I was reporting I was spending probably 4-6 hours a day. I'd like to see a return of these hours during christmas break, and continue that into the new year.

There's far more active staff members than me. The global moderators are killing it.


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: hd49728 on December 11, 2019, 03:37:18 AM
AFAIK, the staff who began at low rank is Halab (one of the most recently hired staff, since 2018 maybe), from Full Member rank if I am correct.

I was just a member at the time (with the same number of merits as the OP), but for local sections the requirements are probably lower.
Thanks for correcting me. Maybe when I saw you as a staff, you were a Full member. I did not know you before that day so maybe I missed your first day as a staff and correspondent rank (member as you disclosed).


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: UserU on December 11, 2019, 07:41:38 AM

No idea. Varies as I have a full time job, part time education, and on call for mountain rescue 24/7 so it gets interrupted, and because of those reasons its hard to monitor the hours. Although, in the new year I should have a little more time! I'd say a couple of hours, but a lot of that is also posting here. Reports are something I do when I need a break from work.

When I was reporting I was spending probably 4-6 hours a day. I'd like to see a return of these hours during christmas break, and continue that into the new year.

There's far more active staff members than me. The global moderators are killing it.

Damn, that's one hell of a schedule. And having colleagues being on standby 24/7, I can imagine how much emotional toll it takes on you.


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: Findingnemo on December 11, 2019, 08:09:16 AM
You don't have to be a moderator to do that things,just use the report to moderator button then your reports will be handled by that section moderator and also by the global mods.


Title: Re: I'm running for becoming the new Trading Discussion Moderator
Post by: YOSHIE on December 11, 2019, 08:42:04 AM
Much more to come!
The story is the same as an owl with a lion.
All in the wild know that the lion is the king of the jungle, when the lion is declared king, the owl does not accept it.
Owl, then flew to various parts of the world saying that I was chosen as the king of you all, all beings are silent and surprised, there is one creature asking, isn't the king's lion at this time, then a trial is formed to ascertain who is the current king, the lion or the owl.
Questions were asked to each future king.
To the flagship lion.
Lions, experts in hunting all creatures can be conquered.
Owls, can only hunt at night with sharp eyesight, but it's only rats and fish that he can hunt.

Obviously the lion is the king of the forest.

@Pipdips, this story is almost the same as your current idea, preferably before you offer yourself, as a moderator you understand and learn the elements of clarification below.

Moderator Qualifications (http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Moderator_Qualifications)

Bitcointalk forum is not a fairy tale that is always devoted to children.

@theymos, certainly knows and who deserves the moderator position, in the trade discussion section, he must have planned it.