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Today I would like to introduce you to something cool I randomly found.
As this method is only possible with large numbers of people, I would be happy if you read through this short report and considered joining.

I am personally still relatively new to this cause, but from my understanding, this is how it works...

I am a member of a group called Big Pump Signal. No, we are not a company owning a certain coin as a whole, trying to take money from our membrs (like some other pumpers do). This is a gathering of about 120 000 enthusiasts playing with the market.

Firstly we have our crew analyze the current situation on the market and pick a relatively stable, low value alt coin, different one each time. At the right time a signal is given to all the members of the group to buy the said coin. As we start buying in big numbers, value of the coin gradually increasaes (usually, just this step in enough to raise the coin value by 20-30% depending on how many participants the event has).

With the enormous raise the coin has just recieved, it always happens that other investors from outside the plan start investing into the coin, they are pushed to action by FOMO ("fear of missing out"). This panic buying from the outside causes another huge raise in value of the coin, raising it up by as much as another 40% most of the time.

(Below is a screenshot of one of the small pumps with got 30% profit within 15 minutes)
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This is where we exchange our money back with huge profits - the peek. The group usually earns between 50 and 80% profit from every single "decent sized pump" they make, but there were both cases of getting over 200% profit or only as little as 30%.
It takes some time to process this. It is truly a legitimate way to get around the system, as it only works with two logical things - psychlogy (FOMO) and general market behaviour. It rarely ever fails, personally I have never heard about anyone losing a signaficant amount of money, although I cannot deny there are *some* chances of fail. I mean, it's still trading...

https://discord.gg/3wSYnka (https://discord.gg/3wSYnka)

I encourage you to just look around for a second, do not feel pressured into any action earlier than you feel comfortable. You may sit back in out group and watch what exactly happens during such events, see how "pumping" really works and find out yourself what pros, cons and profits there actually are. We are sure to teach you all about it.

many don't like the altcoin pump group, almost the same as the ponzi scheme, those who benefit most from this are group owners or admins, while those who were late in receiving information from the group did not turn a profit, they suffered heavy losses.

I'm sure you will charges for memberships, this is common in every pump group even they said a free group but they have another group that already bought the coin and push the free member to buy that coin.

I don't see your group is different from those scammy pump groups which are created to make the owner rich. The promise of getting 30% of profits from early exit is really a typical modus operandi to lure beginners and get their hard-earned money.

Please stop ripping them off.

I really doubt you could trust the members of these kinds of groups. One important reason is there's no guarantee that you would actually profit off of a plan of action they made. There's no legal contract to bind the agreement. You're basically risking your funds for an agreement based on trust, and trust may be said to be an important factor of a cooperation, but it is also the hardest one to earn.

I think you can always make big profits from Bitcoin. But that is not possible from Altcoin. If you want to get Bitcoin from Altcoin, it is possible for a group of people. There are many people who open their own groups and try to pump. In that case, most of the Queen is this scam.

Yes, it is common to all the group there that giving people hints and signal to all the traders in exchange of the fee they will give them. I think it is better to learn on your own rather than relying on someone elses signal, not all of them will gonna happen and will make your assets grow. Better to read twitter updates from the coin makers and then make your own analysis.

Ok, I thought I would see a different strategy, but this is just the old pump-and-dump scheme.

Lol, this has been practiced a lot and many have complaints about this supposedly signals. And in the end, newbies are going to be the victim here. So I would just advise, everyone to stay away from such group because of making profits, you might end up losing big money in the end.

Typically only those who leads the signal group is the one will reap profit decently and if you're just on the free trial then you're donating the hell out of your money.

Seriously, these guys don't have conscience and just care the money they could milk out.

Anyway, I'll just stick with bitcoin rather than exchanging it to altcoin, do remember altcoin just follow the movement of bitcoin, don't be fooled.

Yeah, been there done that! Ive been invited by a group , at first I am very thankful because someone gonna lead my way to trading but after a few days they are requiring us to pay them and it sucks! I mean I thought they are in free will but they will take advatage us because of lack of knowledge.

Don't trust easily, check first the personality of the people you have a conversation with. Try to seek information and opinions on your own by exploring this trading discussion thread. And let your own understanding take control of what will you di next.

The main reason why bitcoin is not reliable now because of its price. Alt coins are more efficient right now when it comes to trading and holding. Alt coins will surely make your money in a safer place temporarily. But in the end, bitcoin is still the best cryptocurrency when it comes to its peak.

You're correct buddy and I'm sure the OP knew the consequences of his post, this is the reason why the OP open this thread with a newly created account cause the new user of this forum can't definitely create this thread in the right section.
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My advice to you guys to be more careful because when halving is coming a lot of crypto scammer use varieties of strategy to scam people.

You pay for the membership fee and at the end you will lose big money because you listen to them, such a poor members of this group and hoping that no one will get involve again to any pump and dump group. I don’t depend to any advice, it will be a big risk and its simple to make money thru bitcoin and altcoins all you have to do is to analyze and be brave.

Yeah new member with just 1 post want to invite the people into a scam group, maybe he's previous account is already got red trust so he make a new one. Any pump and dump group is always not heatlhy for crypto market and also most of them are scam and just want their follower pump their bought coins

This is literally what a pump/dump is, it has been done for about 5+ years now, I remember doing it back in 2013 or 2014 if I am not wrong. It is not anything new, it is not something major, the people who get in early will make money and people who are late will lose money, it has always been like that for years.

There has been nothing new that changed this for years, there were attempts but eventually all of them failed. Back in the day during 2017 peak there was a telegram group that managed to decentralized this and make it more equal for everyone and didn't give the owners a first to know rights, it had 10 or so coins as options and closest block on certain time of litecoins last digit would be the coin that is picked that day, so nobody knew which coin it will be until it came out and that gave everyone equal chances.

It usually happens and they target those people who doesn't have enough understanding when it comes to trading like newcomers and that is the reason why they end up feeling remorse about their decisions and actions. It is also the reason why I never trust anyone or any group because I know that they are capable on doing everything if being greedy strikes them. They will do anything just to get the benefits they wanted. You'll realise that instead of earning profit your money is just wasted for nothing so be cautious because you don't know people's true intentions.

I don't see anything special in your so called pump and dump group. It's just the same like the others.
All you guys do is play with your customers money and dump it in the market.
You don't realize that at the end, if you are winning some money then there is somebody at the other end who is losing their money.
There is no such thing that everyone wins. If somebody wins then somebody loses.

Well, I often see the offer on the Telegram channel, they always offer big profits, they are proud to say, a trade analysis expert, maybe ordinary people will be tricked by scamer so for old users will not be affected by them, it remains clear we have to be careful.

Its stupidity to invest your bitcoin on the basis of someone's advice. Personally, I dont prefer alt trading right now because with this much fluctuation in the btc market, your alt bag will lose its potential in few days or may be few hours. Invest only with your own research.

All these group channels with altcoins signals are utter nonsense. Whoever tells me that, people can never get rich on such signals, and only lose their money. Think for yourself. If you are a good trader, then why do you need to create a channel with signals.

I don't see any value in your post, make me confuse " yes ". Signal and bot will make you bankrupt besides that your performance will never increase in high quality. You only need to test your strategy in real market and share the result with us, we will help you to find your mistakes and fix it. You're on the wrong track, please came back or nightmare will be yours.

I joined a pump group in 2017 and this is the exactly what I find out! Most of this pump and dump members do make their money from those who are not part of the whole groups manipulations. If you want to make money from the market it is better you spend time and learned and be able to take risks but not the risk of pump and dump groups.

Pump and dump groups only waste your time, you will not become a professional trader if you still rely on other people's analysis.
I personally I will still believe in my own analysis without joining various trading signal providers.

I once joined a pump group and had to pay some bitcoin into it, I don't like what you imagined above, I once thought about this that not all the time we benefit some of us in the group might be able to suffer losses, it It's the same as transferring the money of your friends who lost in the group to your other friends to win because of the speed of the hand to sell, so I'm not interested in pumping groups like this, it's the same as we win over the suffering of others and this is similar to gambling, in my opinion

this is my experience in 2015. I once followed a pump signal group like this. in the beginning I did not hesitate. but after a few pumps on the coin, I began to doubt. the reason I doubt is:
- the pump signal is made without foundation. (good news, patterns or more)
- The pump signal only benefits a few members.
- Most members don't get profit and tend to get stuck.
- choose low volume.
- increase in only a few seconds / minute.
- and this I doubt the most is before the information on the pump coin is informed, the admin / group team (not a member) of the pump signal has bought it first. and after the release signal, admin sells it.
this is cheating from team pump signal group.

only through disscord? Services like this appear in many telegram channels and spread like wild lice.

there is one thing that I noticed and all schemes look the same, where the admin gives a signal by instructing to hold, wait, and have to use sl. They only publish successes, and deliberately forget the failed signal with the main reason bitcoin goes down, they are no more the same as other traders who make sure to experiment from the lowest price movements. Fomo which occurs mostly deadly and not infrequently accompanied by a sharp decline in the following hours.

I think there's no free signal channel that gives us their real analysis, they must be buy before they make the signals and the followers are buying the coins that they buy before and take a profits and get out from the trades. The follower will experience a loss if the coin is made a dump.

too bad .  i tell you , you already loose the potential of  earning big profits the moment you exchange your btc to alts  . you didnt really know the worth of your btc arent you   ? but dont worry  ,  if ever you already exchange your btc to alts  you can still exchange it back to btc although you will only loose some due to transaction and trading fees  .  or also you can roll it and live like a trader where you trade those alts to other coins then you trade those coins to a cheap coin and sell for higher  price  .

I call this thread "F*ck off"

The title should be changed to "How to steeling people making your own pumping group", there is no such thing about the company, group, and some random pump group. All of the price pumpings from the follower of the group itself cause make an instant taker for the coins, you want know who the person gets the profit?

Yes, the admin and this @OP too who offering this kind of service, cause they buy the coins before the pump was annoucement.

Pump and dump groups should be cracked down as this is a severe problem in the trading spheres. You are not profiting off of pure market movements but you are manipulating an entire market to your own will and baiting up people to join you in the rise. I wouldn't call that smart nor innovative but rather illicit and somewhat illegal depending on where you're at.

Firstly, 30% isn't small profit, no, that's serious amount and as other users, I am also skeptical of what you said because there are many such groups and in every case, winners are admins/owners, how? People are receiving information lately and so.
Also some groups offer variation with paid membership, double scam there. It's like selling fixed match bets.
The only way to make big profit from exchanging bitcoin to altcoins, for me seems to be business similar of shapeshift: Receive bitcoin, send wished altcoin on wallet or even opposite and charge some fees, it's really nice and easy profit.

They will not crack down if there's someone who believes in their foolishness. Just like what happen on this thread, OP was trying to convince us and tempted us to used the obviously pump and dump service which is not good to rely upon when you are in trading. That is right, this is a baiting service and deserved not to trust.

So basically you wanna scam the investors from outside of your group, that's how you want us to do and you want us to be part of your pump and dump group?

Its not really a unique idea people had done it in the past before you. Don't make it sound like your making it the right thing because it just destroys the credibility of cryptocurrency as a whole when someone is scammed because they were misled due to price pumps.

You just showed a price chart of a token it doesn't count as proof that you are indeed the ones who cause that to pump. Nevertheless pump groups are a bull shit and when you say you will be giving a signal for "all of the members of the group" to buy at the same time you only mean the ones who aren't part of your inner circle because you already have positions before the signal even starts which gives you the chance to bail out as fast as possible as soon as the rest of your members starts to pump the price for you. You aren't really any different from any group I have seen and literally every pump group I have observed often screws up their members just for their personal gain.

They make it look like they have inside information whereas their source of information is open, any smart ones can access this information. have never joined any but have been some recommendation from friends. They are so inconsistency and their prediction post are not concise. I dont also know the purpose of the fee

I like your effort in making a long constructive statement and introduction about your purpose.

However, I don't like the idea of spreading positive results about involving in a pump and dump groups or so-called signal groups for an obvious reason.

To OP, if you feel you are getting profits out from that group, then up to you to continue. But to the point that you will advertise it even you just want to share the experience, it's a big NO for me. There are lots of flaws in that kind of activity.

Flaws which do result a big loss of money on most people who do join up with these groups. Good thing for those who made out
profits but unlucky and devastating for those who had been caught by the dump.If there were earners then theres definitely a pile
of losers who burned out their risked fund.Same as yours im not really fan of these kind of groups and its been known that
it never worthy or ideal to join up if you dont like to lose money and you dont know the risk lies ahead.

The easiest way to make money in crypto is to create a pump and dump group and the cheapest way to lose money is to join one.

This is not the right solution for me, it's better to see the social media founder of Altcoin firsthand how the development of altcoin, rather than following random signals.
Traders must be of our own choice not from others.

So, you are a member of a pump and dump group who manipulating the price of altcoins and then shill your group here to attract members to join you and at the end the only one gaining here is you and not the members.

This is actually an old strategy, I mean traders tend to know how to trade and earn profits by exchanging btc to altcoins and vice versa. And this kind of schemes eventually been known by many thus they are already avoiding this kind of act  as it was just profitable at first then will convince you to upgrade your membership and at thr end, will give you wrong signal and infos.

In current scenario most are move Bitcoin to altcoin,But most are follow the Bitcoin way so all altcoins are fluctuate in crypto platform. I we other solutions, that is we must hold the Bitcoin on long term or else we must actively monitor and move to stable coin to Bitcoin. These are the solution for Big profit in trading platform.

These kind of groups will target low market cap coins so they can manipulate the prices but it involves lot of money and chances of making profit is also unclear so I won't suggest any groups which are dumping and bumping even if it gives legitimate signals.

Where will you see the social media leader of altcoin? Maybe you refer to a certain altcoin. Most of them are having the same struggle, Ethereum the strongest is struggling to stay above 0.02 from 0.13 btc. It has done much in development this year and could be considered the coin with more and efficient use case. I know there will be a turn around but dont know when and how

Before you exchange your bitcoin to altcoins. You should scan the market to identify what are the altcoins that are liquid enough for you. You need to look for an altcoin that has a volume so you can liquidate your position easily. You can make big profits by buying them at a low price and selling them at a high price. It sounds easy but you should have a lot of knowledge regarding technical analysis so ensure that you will enter and exit at a right price.

I don't think this strategy would work without benefiting your group. I have a friend who tried this kind of strategy but just lost most of her funds. I don't get the idea of gaining a better profit from altcoins instead of Bitcoin during this market situation. We all know that it isnt't the best season for altcoins so I don't think that choosing it instead of Bitcoin would be profitable.

It's just only another pump-dump group. The only one that has the advantage of such group none other is the one giving signals. I believe such group have other premium group, which is the people that already bought the alts beforehand, and then share it to the public group as to make the price to increase. You're lucky if you followed their signals and bought not at the peak, but what if you're that poor souls that buy at the peak and then the members dumps the price since it has reached their target. If only it's that simple, sadly it's not.

Always be mindful about your wallet or accounts be because scammers are trained just to do bad things. They will do anything just to juke you or fool you out.

Yes, most especially those beginners who are innocent about scamming loss of money. Always check you account and seek help from those professionals.

Nevertheless, bitcoin is still the most efficient cryptocurrency in the word. But for now, it still need time and help from us hodlers.

Pump groups are not a way to make money if you are a follower, it is a way for the leaders to make money. They decide on a coin way beforehand and they buy it slowly and then they "disclose" which coin will be bought and suddenly a lot of people buy that coin and price goes up and the leaders who bought it way before sells it when they feel like they made enough money and they stop. That is the reality of it, only the leaders and the quick people make money and a ton of people see the "potential" profit that they missed while losing money and they try again the next time considering they might make money next time around.

It continues like that until the whole group doesn't have enough money left and all of it goes to leaders so the group stops doing it.

These people do not realize the damages they do these altcoins and that is the saddest part.

After a pump and dump that coin never really fully recovers because the people behind it lose all hope towards their coins after a pump and dump realizing they won't ever be big enough to not be bothered. They always live in the constant fear of getting their coin moved however a bunch of people who are greedy enough to destroy them wants.

I think these people need to at least once have a coin on their portfolio that gets a pump and dump and feel the aftermath of the said deed in order to fully understand what they have done wrong. Even in that case they might not understand it. I personally would never do something like this because I respect the teams and community behind altcoins a lot.

Pumps and dumps groups are all scam. There are now many victims of these kind of shit. We should not join in these type of groups. There are greedy persons who are really want to earn money and that is why they are joining in that kind of groups. I never join in that kind of groups because I know what I am doing and I'm aware to the danger that I can get from it.

How about investing in a random coin for a small amount of money, I tried this strategy and surprisingly, it works!!! I do it for many tries, a lot of them turn into shit, but some of them gave me a lot of profit. After some jackpot, I stop because my luck is losing hahaha lol, but yeah, try that maybe you hit some jackpots.


I am holding just three coins. Bitcoin, Etherum and XRP are an excellent and stable coin the profit is small, but the risk is low also. If you want to trade and have a big profit in these coins, try leverage trading in Bitmex or some exchange call it as marginal trading. Instead of investing in some not stable coin this is the best way to earn from trading. But that's for me, try it maybe it will work with you too.

Yes, so we should not hype with the numbers that they are showing in the community, although they are earning a lot it is their way for them to be able to manipulate the mind of people. So, for me whenever someone is inviting me to the group and showing a lot of fake proof, I am leaving immediately and reporting the group . I prefer investing in top coins which has a low profit but I am sure they are stable.

That depends on what you consider low profit. Currently the market isn't that volatile but when it is, the gains (but also losses) are significant. It's just so that we're currently going through a very boring market phase.

I can't say how long it will drag on like this, but what I can say is that whenever you think the market is boring, you are better off doing something else. Why waste your time staring at the charts all day that look as ugly as they did the week before?

We need to be very clear this is a scam, even if every single member of that group earned money, which is not very likely, this will only mean that they are getting their money from the naive people that think that such coin is moving on its own and that the growth that they are seeing is organic and that it could be sustained but as soon as the leaders of the pump and dump group decide that they have obtained enough profits they are going to crash that coin and any hopes that those people had of making money.

This thread is like an invitation to join the pump group, I'm not sure this really works and succeeded all this time I heard my friend's story that it has a very big risk, the screenshot was like not because of the pump push but indeed the price was rising, I saw EIDOO token on the screenshot if I'm not mistaken, I don't have a discord so I don't want to know much about this group, the way to get big profits is I have to know when the time is right to trade and learn to analyze charts

they also have a target and can sell at any time, I keep trying to read their strategy and stick to the conclusion that their signals also continue to follow the direction of the chart in general, the power of the pump is not entirely from them because the natural accumulation comes from market volume. If true, we can sell 3% less than they are targeting, in the end we still have to continue to believe in our own ability to read charts.

Looking at Litecoin, it definitely had highs and lows against bitcoin this year. Started at 0.006 bitcoin per litecoin, peaked at 0.018 and is now at slightly under 0.006 bitcoin per litecoin. It would look like litecoin is setting itself up for another run sometime mid summer next year against bitcoin that is. The key is to have patience though. It took 6 months for litecoin to go from 0.006 bitcoin to 0.018 bitcoin per litecoin.

I would advise anyone to stay away from this kind of investments. If there is any subscription fee and you don't know personally someone who could vouch for the group it's pointless $$$wise. You will leave your money with them and not make a donkey coin. Only reason I believe would be to meet some people, but you will probably only become friends in misery after getting scammed.

We can't trust with group like this because they always recommendation for other buying coin but he self is selling coin but when he sell some coin on exchange market he ask at the group for member to buy, I have found with many channel discussion group always give information when coin have higher price to buy and selling after coin have down.

Thanks for the offer but I might not accept that.

I have been with group in telegram that tells the same thing.
At the end of the day, that big group has a small group inside which are really making profit out of that big group of newbies.

Yeah, they will just use you.
You will be told to buy this coin and then what? They will be the first to sell after the pump had happened?
No way I will be tricked by that again.

This is somewhat unreliable group who tried to boost the advertised coin in a private chats or groups. As per reading the idea about it, I am not having good thoughts over it due to under clarification of things going on. Unfortunately, selling bitcoin for an alt was not profitable by now, so always choose bitcoin while you're not yet established.

At least you have learned that pump and dump groups are not really the way to make money in the market, but you will be surprised by the amount of people that get scammed by people like that and instead of accepting that they made a mistake they decide that they just need to somehow improve their ability to get out of the market before the coin crashes, and as you may guess those people never really learn their lesson until they have lost all their money and by that time it is too late.

That's the reason why they keep the pump and dump group still alive until now. They want to earn as much as possible while everyone buying the coin they say to pump and then after it they will dump it since they have bought the coin many weeks or before they telling people on group to buy it.

Almost premium channel group doing what have you said, they talk bitcoin become pump where many investor buy with higher amount, but their self selling bitcoin and never true what he said and what he did, I not trust again whit channel group where ask you to buy and sell because they only make us an object their experiment.

I was one of the victims of a group pump like that, it was clear that such groups were very dangerous. Because as I experienced I have run
out of capital, not to mention usually such a group has its costs. So the losses received can be doubled. My advice avoid from group pumps
are like that, because the one who benefits is the owner of the group. Because he already bought the coins first, that will be most victims
are its members that group. Especially newbies who are new to trading and want instant profits. Safer trading by relying on one's own abilities,
by analyzing one's own market. I'm sure the results are more accurate than following the group signal pump that drains our capital.

That makes sense why many people failed to make a profit from the pump and dump group because they are too late to sell the coins at a higher price. If they can make a huge profit from that group, then they will have their lucky while following to those groups. But somehow, I don't feel right to following the pump and dump group because I cannot try to analyze the market by myself, and I will always depend on them, which will not be good for me in the future. But if some people want to try to join their group, then I hope that they can be careful to decide.

It is a shame that newbies fall prey of scammers like that, but even if it was an expensive lesson you learned something out of it, you learned that you cannot rely on anyone else to tell you how to make money in the markets and that you need to find how to make money by yourself, this can take time but not only you will find what you are looking for it is also extremely satisfying when you make money in the markets and you know that it was all because of your efforts and not because you relied on anyone else and you know as well luck had nothing to do with it.

Trading becomes more laborious if the value of the coin is not profitable like today; the price of the bitcoin in the middle of the year of 2019 gives a massive income to their investor, but today the price of the bitcoin does not show any profit. Many people are now struggling with their money, and the bitcoin again comes in a long term investment. The people want continuously earning instead of bitcoin. They use altcoin as a source of income; the price of altcoin too is volatile but not too much large amount, and by this, many investors use altcoin for daily trading, even the profit is not huge.

Trusting bump and dump groups is not the best way to make profits from trading,you might lose your total profits even the capital in a single trade because you are going to invest on a shittiest coins which has less trading volume.Better try to make more trades with less margin and make total profits into more.

Never use bump and dump group, it's good to read sometimes but not to the point that we will just follow it without researching and reading especially if the alt involve is not too popular and not been so active for long. We must decide on our own in instances that are money and investment is at risk.

Pump and dump are just good for a few days but there is always a high possibility that you will lose a lot of money at the end of the day. If you want to make a lot of profit in trading or exchanging bitcoin to altcoin, master the art of technical analysis and it will unlock a lot of opportunities for you and you can easily identify a coin if it is worthy or a shitcoin.

You will lose from pump and dump if you are miss the signal since the movement from this scheme is pretty fast that's why it's not reliable since sometimes signals are not going on in our side. But if there's something you need to stretch up is your knowledge about tradings since if you are knowledgeable on this you will not rely on any signals which sometimes not correct.

If someone wants to earn some profit in trading from Bitcoin to altcoins then one must know how these specific altcoins move in the market to be able to get the targeted price to sell, instead of joining any pump and dump groups. Which is eventually will be the one that will manipulate you to start gaining at their own.

Before identifying the potential coins to invest as part of an alternative ways of exchanging your btc to an altcoins, don't make it as your final decision yet. Scout your prospects before engaging to the target, and when it's time to take your final shot, you won't regret in the end. Make all things worth it once you're dealing the right one to choose for.

As long as people are blinded by the possibility of making so much money that they may not have to work ever again in their life, you will not be able to reason with them using logic. They will just live in their pink bubble for a while and as soon as they end up with being scammed out of their money and see personally that their system doesn't work they will just come back to real life and become one of us who warn people against it and see other people not listening to their warnings and realize how they were back in the day.

Or the other possibility is they pose as a person who is "in" a telegram group that does pump and dump whereas they are the actual owners of the group that steal others money, which could be the main reason why they are marketing it here.

The worst thing is not that it is a pump and dump group but the system of referrals is quite similar to a ponzi scheme.

Actually these groups first invest in a coin and then they want someone to buy their sell orders for that they collect a group and give them the signal to buy that particular coin and so their coin is sold according to their preferred price giving them a profit and then no one knows that when will be the coin rise again.
Right now there is a condition that all coins are set to a lower value so no matter which coin we collect they will get a value in the future.

Referrals are working perfect with some investments, same time ponzi schemes too trap people very easy through referrals. Whenever we go through an referral link it is a must to analyze and move forward. These days even hacks and security breaches were done through referrals.

Most of altcoins are not worth investing this times to be honest. Better just buy and hold btc, this is what could be the most profitable in my opinion. But if you want to trade altcoins, you can visit CoinDeal (https://coindeal.com/). As I see there is a huge variety of altcoins. I buy btc there. Fees are okay, deposits in some currencies are free of charge.

In fact, there would be no problem in referring someone because there is something called affiliate marketing. But being a pump and dump group, there's no question that it's a Ponzi scheme

Another pump and dump group. You guys are no different from the other groups who shows good samples in the beginning but right after you start charging your members its only the owners who gets rich and not the members. This kind of groups are not good for the coins development as well.

It often to see this kind of group trying to fool noobs and be their prey.
I was a victim of this thing before and the time I realize that I've been played by, I could say this is the last time...won't happen again.

I hope noobs could realize that this game won't end up profitable to their part but a losing ends. As most of us here say, no easy money here, it only comes to us when we work hard. Nothing could help us in order to become profitable, not this pump and dump signal groups but just ourselves. That is why think first wisely or this group will fooled you.

Personally and without offending, I think that pump and dump is not really trade, I see it as gambling ... The smart strategy of some crypto investors is simple:

1.- If bitcoin is confirmed in Bullish Trend, it is best to wait for its correction to buy Altcoins, the reason is, as long as Bitcoin continues to climb the Altcoins will come up with Bitcoin because the Altcoins have no life of their own.

2.- If Bitcoin falls in price, Short with the Altcoins (Always wins) because the Altcoins bleed quickly.

3.- With the profits that result from Altcoins, Bitcoin is bought and a greater refuge and more satoshis is obtained.

This from the point of view of market speculation, now if you are an Investor, the best is Hodl with Bitcoin, compared to the stock market, Bitcoin turns out to always be the best action that will never give losses, what is due is to have patience to wait for the new ATH.

Even those are illegal, there will be always new group pooped up everyday to make people believe and then join them. They will use any method to attract many people to join and then manipulate price to make other people think that's maybe a good signal to trade.

Since there's no legal consequence at the moment for those kinds of hype and scams, then we should be vigilant always as no one can help us really in this industry but our own self, so be careful every time transacting in people and in investing, learn not to trust at all, always give a benefit of doubt, and if you are doubting means something is wrong, follow your mind to always seek the truth. 

This way may be not work for long but yes we can earn from exchanging Bitcoin to altcoins.There is a term called ARBITRAGE TRADING you buy a Bitcoin from one platform withe cheap and exchange the coin to another platform where it trading high pair.

The Arbitrage trading also need enough knowledge to know about the trade fees and the transfer fees so before doing this must analyze that are you earning more than you you invest after the deduction of fees.

Joining with those groups is a total BS because the main goal of that group is to collect more victim to make some money out from them. Some say it will be beneficial for a short amount of time but aren't you wasting enough time to know if they aren't giving you a shit?
Learn to trade on your own and do your own research. Stop expecting some real people or professionals to help you because they are too busy to make some profit on their own.

Thks is the classic description of a pump group and I would advice every newbie who reads this not to fall victim of this, it is the best way to lose your funds, don't be fooled by what you see, the more you look, the less you actually see until you fall victim of it. If you just go a simple research, you would see so many people who has invested in such schemes that are regretting it now, Cryptocurrency trading is a very volatile investment and doesn't always go as planned even when it's being manipulated.

Those groups deceive newbies by playing with their minds and only talking about all the profits they are going to make if they decide to follow their advice and invest in the coins the group wants, but they never talk about the risks, to begin with those groups invest in coins with almost no market volume and one of the worst things that can happen to you is to be left holding coins that have no volume, because it becomes impossible to get rid of them for any decent price as you can crash the price of the coins with just a few hundreds dollars.

This is a good method of trading. Actually it is to be learnt with time. Group trading is only beneficial when you have skills to analyze the moves of your fellow partners or in other words keeping a track of their buying and selling. This helps you to find out exact time for exchanging your coins and to hold them within your wallets.

You cannot make a profit by buying or selling the only visualization you are skilled at it But if you can do all the things efficiently, you will gain a heap of more than you can possibly get. notwithstanding to begin with, without any prior experience to me it seems nothing but stupid. It is good if you use your skills and try to know.

pump group is not good because it is like ponzi work because the owner of signal want to make some profit from their client. these groupe of signal pridiction not legit and it can make you at lose if you belrive them

Tiring trading like that, where we have to jump around on every exchange platform, moreover it requires a fairly fast time because of the movement of the high-volatile crypto market. If I become an @OP it is better to focus on trading on one platform while understanding and learning charts.

Looking at the profile of the OP, he/she didnt come back to the forum or did anything other than marketing a discord channel. It might be his/her channel to get more members for future pumps.
Never trust these groups or telegram channels, they just try to manipulate the alt market and get their money doubled.

Yes you have rightly said that now is a good time to buy and hold bitcoin also to increase the value of this currency by grouping many of CoinDeal's groups to make big gains from Bitcoin exchange. Often there is no guarantee that these groups will work.

Most of the time people tell that this was the perfect time to buy since they are in shock with the little pumps coming these days but actually the buying decisions depends on us since we are the one who evaluates the flow of the market and also I don't really rely on groups although they are helpful but not consistent at all since provably you will not learn to trade on your own since you will just wait for the signal given by them.

besides tiring of course we must be keen to compare the price of coins on each platform in order to get benefits. I think this method is quite complicated because market price movements can change quickly, and it is possible that when we buy coins on other platforms at a low price when transferring coins that we have bought on different platforms to sell related coins, in reality the coins are experiencing a decline . of course the trade we do is closer to a loss and does not produce anything

It's not really worth the trouble and time following these groups. More than likely, by the time you buy into whatever coin it is they're shilling on there, it will already be at the new high and you'll end up having to sell for a loss. The coins pump whenever they release the name of the coin to their group for people to buy. So unless you somehow manage to be one of the first people to get in, you're going to have a hard time selling for a profit.

Many people think the same way and how keeping bitcoin right now is a better investment but what many forgetting is that eternal advice of finance is to never put all your money into one thing.

I mean you shouldn't even keep all your money in bitcoin neither, should have commodities like gold and silver for example and then some foreign currencies then your own nations money to diverse fiat and also invest into stocks with crypto as well, if you do all of this in a basket of financial investments there is rarely anything that could ruin your finances.

Now aside from that you should also look into having many cryptos as well, mainly bitcoin is fine but never underestimate some of the other currencies like ethereum, eos, bnb and litecoin, they are decent as well and deserve a spot.

Just holding only I think not give benefit as investment way for bitcoin and altcoin investing because most profitable when we make our assets as way for trading where we can increase value earning with our assets in altcoin way, many altcoin can give much profit whit higher price and take moment which one best way to get profit whit trading.

No, it is a terrible idea because there is nothing to analyze, you are just gambling that you are going to be one of the first to buy the coins and you will be one of the first to get out as well, in many countries this is illegal and even if you are one of the lucky ones to earn money out of this, will you be able to sleep knowing that the money you got was the result of a scam? Besides such results are not going to be sustainable and the next time you try this you will lose all your money anyway.

Yep, that's right, they're actually just looking for their own benefit. because not necessarily all who are in 1 group get a profit. many of those who are tempted are newcomers who expect to get instant profits. most pump groups only provide FOMO info while they have bought at the cheap prices

That's how the whales are making money and it always been like that, FOMO people will be their target and even the experienced traders is also able tricked to their bull trap because sometimes they're not just pumping random coins, but coins with many people's analysis that gonna pump, they pump it so it looks like a real bull run but then they will dump it again

And yet many newbie traders keep falling in their scams despite our warnings, I know that since they are newbies we should not expect from them that they know every single way in which scammers may take advantage of them, but it could be nice if they stopped for a moment and read the warnings of people that have more experience in the market, and even when they do instead of listening and be grateful they were given sound advice so they do not lose their money they still invest in those scams thinking they know better than us.

In this condition the better solution is that whenever we invest in a coin then we do not ask the help from a single person/trader or a group of traders from a single community. We have to do our overall research and have to see that how the developers of a project are working. We have to look at their past activities that if they have scammed anyone in the past or not. If they are proceeding with full faith and trust them invest in that project which will benefit you.

It is a normal thing and we cannot deny it. The pump and dump groups are always there and they want to maximize their power to create profit for themselves while fooling other people from the market. The best way that we can avoid that is through avoiding the unpopular cryptocurrencies in the market because that is where they try to do a pump and dump because they know that the certain cryptocurrency doesn't have a lot of volume and they can easily create fake chart movements.

I'm not sure of what strategy we have to use cause in my case and I think that most of us here are used to convert altcoins to Bitcoin which it looks more profitable and idealy be the best way.

The question is, are desperate enough to think of selling you bitcoins for altcoins? We know the capability of Bitcoin, in fact, this coin is dominating the market and as well as consider the best crypto for investment. I'm surprised why you have to it.

cannot be prevented because this also happens on platforms outside the crypto market. Such speculative methods still cannot be linked to illegal actions because anyone can do it, the exchange parties also don't care because the most important thing is to monitor the volume increase, it's better not to know too much because it will get addicted and cause loss.

Bitcoin itself is a good investment, you may get a huge profit even you will not convert it in altcoins, but still the decision will be on the trader who has the money. If you bought altcoins last week like eth then today you  will get a 9% profit when you sell it today . Little amount can have a big impact soon. So better to put 70% in bitcoin and then 30% on altcoins if you want.

I have to give respect by then but it won't disappear in my mind how OP think of selling his bitcoin for Altcoins. Believing that how Bitcoin keeps dominating the market in price and demand, I couldn't think how we become profitable with altcoins more than a thing that bitcoin can do.

This is the old pump dump system group. First manipulate the price and give the signal to the group. So that the holding shitcoin can be sold to group members. You dump your shitcoin to your member! Nice game....!  30-40% profit only you earn. Because the pump dump game is played by you. Do you get peace by scamming the money of innocent people? For a manipulator like you, the crypto market faces many problems.Newbies joined such group and lost their hard earned money.

I constantly see user reviews regarding certain signals in the trade.  The reviews are constantly negative and therefore I never pay attention to any information that predicts a big profit for me.  It’s better if I myself lose time studying the market and draw my conclusions and forecasts of the results of my activities, but I won’t give you the opportunity to easily steal money from me thanks to fraudulent signals.

Pump and dump group is not consider as speculative method, they are more likely scammers, they take your money indirectly by give you a false signal and they will clarify that the false signal as an accident.
Pump and dump schemes are illegal and considered securities fraud by the SEC. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pump_and_dump)

I'd be interested if this group is free to join but right now im not really interested into trading cause i only have small amount to trade and i bought into a higher price, so yeah im kinda stuck that's the lesson i learned by joining the FOMO.
Also the reason i avoid this groups because mostly i heard people complaining that they got scammed and paid a lot just to become a member then the group just vanished, after all who does give free trading signals ?

Indeed. It doesn't seem that they are aware that we are aware. Groups are good but it doesn't mean it could give you huge profit. Even poor people can earn huge as long as he studies well and trains himself well that he even lets himself to full his space for improvement. Therefore, groups is just optional, in which this option already died few months ago, as many were scammed with ponzi schemes.

You have to realize there is a lot of luck involved as well, I know it doesn't look that way easily but honestly luck plays a huge role in these things, hopefully you end up lucky but sometimes just as you look at the charts and buy because it looks amazing, some whale comes up and sells, that is not something you can ever hope to stop.

However, if you end up lucky sometimes you go against the world and the world is wrong, that type of things happen all the time. Look at the long and short futures for example, sometimes there are millions and millions of dollars involved in long futures but the price goes down, same happens opposite direction as well, it just happens constantly. I know many times I was superbly lucky as well and unlucky times too, this is trading, both could end up happening.

Groups are completely waste because we have already experienced huge loose with those predictions groups. So always try to learn basic information about the trading and it will help you learn more new thing about the trading because if we believe in the other predictions it will definitely hurt us a lot.

Those coins should be avoided for many reasons, not only pump and dump groups try to manipulate the coin, it is also impossible to conduct a proper technical analysis in those coins as technical analysis does not wok in assets with a very low volume and if all of that was not enough those coins most of the time will end up scamming anyone that trusted in the developers of those coins and yet many newbies still try to make money with those projects even if it has come to the point it is almost impossible to do that.

For me there are two ways or two scenarios:

1.-If Bitcoin falls, you must make Short with Altcoins, it is obvious that the descent is difficult and can be used.

2.-When Bitcoin is in an upward trend already confirmed, wait for the first correction and in that correction buy altcoins, the reason is simple, the altcoins will start following the direction of Bitcoin and its growth is usually very fast, maybe 2 times, 3x..

This from the point of view of market speculation, another thing is investment, if it is an investment it is much easier, because Bitcoin is bought and kept in Hodl until it reaches a new ATH, this can take months, years, but it is a safe movement.

You need to get the technical know-how before you can be successful in making a profit from exchanging bitcoin to altcoins, if not you might lose most of your capital and this takes some time.

Groups of pumps and dumps should be caught as this is a serious problem in the cryptocurrency. You don't take advantage of pure market movements, but you manipulate a whole market to your own will and bait people to join you in the rise. I wouldn't call it clever or creative, but rather illegal, depending on where you are. That's why I have never participated in those. It's pretty much stealing.

First of all you have to ignore the bullshit because you can only make money by selling bitcoins and buying altcoins if you buy risky altcoins that are in a long bear market. Bitcoin SV is one of those. Normally you wouldn't touch that but then it suddenly pumped after many months because CSW was supposed to do something in court. Then it dumped again because he didn't do it.

It's really not a good idea to sell Bitcoin to get a pump and dump altcoin thinking you will catch a pump.

Technical knowledge is not enough to get profits via the exchange of coins. Trading is not easy for making money and if we talk about the exchange of bitcoins that is more valuable than the other cryptocurrencies then it is sure to get some money as a benefit when you will be replacing them with the other forms of digital assets.

Every trader and investor is having some contribution in making market down or up so if you decide to change your bitcoin to Altcoins it will reduce the price of bitcoin. So we should try to keep the Bitcoin safe and instead of changing we should keep out bitcoin safe and try to increase the number of the coin in your portfolio.

Hmm you were trying to advertise your Altcoin pump group, and to be honest, I dislike these kind of pump groups they are unfortunately full of scam , I can't even believe them. However, I don't think that the cummunity of this forum will never follow  your tips but instead you gave a good effort through this thread.
Furthermore, we can definitely make a huge profit when we HODL  Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies that are existed on the top 10 like, Ethereum, Bitcoin cash, Ripple, Bitcoin sv.. ect.

following these groups and doing trade according to these will really waste out time and our money because many of the group owners buy a coin with cheap price and then keep it at a sell order and give a signal to his group to buy that coin so make a profit for themselves and leave the group on their own luck and do not worry what the group get.

That is the reality for most of the signal groups. They all act that they are an expert and they also act that they know what is going to happen in the market but in fact, they are just buying random altcoins from the market and advertise it as a hidden gem for their followers to buy it and boost the price up. Do not join into any pump and dump group, just focus on yourself and own strategy and you will reach success.

People need to use their common sense, if those people that organize those groups actually knew what it is going to happen in the markets then they will not be trying to scam people on the Internet with their pump and dump groups, they will be trading their money and earning a fortune with their system, it is better to just ignore them and never give in the temptation to try their services because most likely you are going to lose any money you invest with them.

I don't think that a single transfer could affect the price (unless it amounting a lot of Bitcoin).

He might be overthinking that altcoins could give him a big shot since altcoins price are cheap nowadays. But the realization is that what if Bitcoin do the bullish and leaving altcoins still down? I don't know if what he feels, it for sure of his big regrets.

Its better experiment about exchanging activities to different platforms to know where or what is the better way to exchange. I think exchanging bitcoin to altcoin cannot make that big profits we expect. Mostly because bitcoin has higher value than those altcoins. We can still do it sometimes maybe its just about timing as well.

I never believe in making money so easily. I only have one question, why are you teaching us for free in your group? I used to join a lot of signal groups and no one taught me, it all seemed to be a trap and the rate we lost was higher. When we lost, you said it was unlucky?
There are no whales to give us money, so people should be careful with group signals like this. This is just my opinion. If you have any ideas, please quote me. We will continue to discuss this.

Well you are right that exchanging bitcoin into altcoins could not give much profit but this is only for the inexperienced people because the new people always makes mistakes due to which they can't adopt this method, but i have seen only few people who are involved in this strategy and they are making very good amount. But i will not suggest this because a little mistakes can destroy your whole asset and you will left with nothing.

Yes no doubt bitcoin now  is at low price but with the passage of time it will be high. We know altcoins are also good to invest but it never give profit better than bitcoin. We know bitcoin is at demand now a day so it’s not good to exchange your bitcoin into Alt coins. Altcoin are in ETH and Ripple but I prefer to keep my bitcoin saved instead of changing them.

I think you need to check your facts there have been many instances in which altcoins in general have outperformed bitcoin, just because it is not happening in a consistent basis anymore it does not mean that it cannot happen in the future, at those times it is wise to exchange your bitcoin to altcoins and enjoy your profits, just do not forget to get back to bitcoin because that growth never lasts and at some point bitcoin reverses the situation and begins to grow way faster than altcoins.