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Date:  December 20, 2019
Venue: Talking Stick Resort Arena in Phoenix, Arizona

Daniel Jacobs and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. will clash next week in a Super-Middleweight fight. This would be Daniel Jacobs debut in the Super-Middleweight division if i'm not mistaken. What intrigue me most in this fight is the odds. Daniel Jacobs is the heavy favorite to win this fight but i think Chavez Jr. has the tools to beat him.

Odds in Sportsbet had it Jacobs (1.04), Chavez Jr. (8.60)

To those who love underdogs, what do you think of this fight?

 

Nah, I think JCC Jr is done, there are reports that in this previous fight, he doesn't train that hard and doesn't have the mentality of his father. So I say that the odds for Daniel Jacobs is about right, and it could be an easy fight for him. Besides, JCC Jr, is no longer at his prime, probably just wanted to get a decent pay check before finally retiring.

Chavez Jr is being trained by the fabled Freddie Roach, so that is a big positive for him. But I don't know if his body and mind is still in boxing. Another interesting side note, Chavez Jr, skipped a drug test, putting this fight in jeopardy, but Hearn assured the everything will be push thru as plan.


https://www.boxingnews24.com/2019/11/hearn-daniel-jacobs-vs-julio-chavez-jr-still-on-for-dec-20-in-arizona/

Another drug test controversy here by Julio Cesar Chavez Jr., i remembered on one of his fight that he tested positive on the use of marijuana. This guy did not learned from that mistake and i would not spend my money betting on this guy. Baofeng is right, this guy is done as far as boxing is concern. He is just there for the money.

I'm very disappointed on his fight against Canelo, he really doesn't have the heart and the skill of his father and O don't think he can dominate Jacobs I have seen some of his fights and I think he is good enough to beat Chavez, Chavez is losing badly on the top fighters of this generation he is having a hard time creating his own legacy.

We can't conclude to this idea if that would be an easy fight, because when this man started to train discreetly I guess Jacobs should undergo serious and strenuous training. He must work out more strategies in order to defend his current position, that's why avoiding too much confidence is a certain ways for him to defeat an enemy. Never judge JCC, as per previous fights, he still has more potentials as long as there's frequent training activities.

I'd say I agree, but let's see what happens on the 20th. He just recently had an interview and stated that He wanted to be the best fighter in the world. I'd say he had the chance, but he wasted it early on with all the issues about him cropping up here and there. Plus, currently, his coach, Freddie Roach is pretty much positive that he could actually win this fight. Let's see what happens though, I believe the guy deserves one more chance to prove himself

Lol, let's give this guy a chance and one thing positive that i see on this one is Freddie Roach being so positive about his guy on being the Miracle Man. JCC Jr is the bigger fighter here so this may add advantage on him but it's better for him to have more tune-up fight before fighting a boxer with the caliber of Jacobs. He's got only one fight after that duel with Canelo and it ended only in round one, no sweat. I hope he would be competitive come December 20, anything happens in boxing and he might pull-off the W here.

This is the only fight where i do see that underdog do have the chance.Majority saying that JCC is done? I dont think so.
I can see advantages on here and might able to pull it off. Miracle Man? Possible. Roach wont say a thing if he dont see any chances.
6 days left for the event and i might throw up some bucks with JCC here.

I think the prediction for the two participants for this upcoming match is very crucial even Daniel Jacobs has the fewer games, and Chavez already got experience for this matches it is too hard to know which will win the game. Base from their previous events from 2012 up to 2019, Jacobs has only three loses and Chavez too. The game is too close because they have the same age bracket and height, to know which is the best boxer in their bracket. The one who has a lot of experience and technique styles even they have a lot of matches still the winner is the one who good at scoring and punching, base on the records of both players. Chavez has the most KO's and decision but every match there's a lot of hard work and training needed so we cannot tell what kind of technique of Jacobs will show in the game to win.

Chavez has a tool to beat to beat him, but this is not going to be an easy fight for Chavez, I have seen this Jacob goes toe to toe against Canelo, while Chavez is very complacent in his fight against Canelo, Jacob is a real slugger I bet Jacob winning by knock out or unanimous decision here.

I will be favoring Daniel Jacobs in this fight.
Chavez Jr does not even rank in the top 15 players. Most of us don't know that he is the son of the Mexican legend Julio Cesar but he does not look to be of same talent of his father. I really doubt if he can win against Jacobs.

The old Chavez never backs down until the last seconds of the fight I have watched his fight against Taylor several times and it's an inspiration for many boxers to never give up imagine Taylor was ahead on points, then boom he caught Taylor with a wicked right in the last round with 17 seconds to go, we can't see that in Chavez junior he doesn't have the heart to go toe to toe, the old Chavez is way ahead of his Junior.








 

It's boxing, and from what I've seen, Chavez Jr, has what it takes to be a champion again, the problem is that he is somewhat lazy. But since Roach take him back and train him because he made a promise that he is no longer the same person, I would give Chavez Jr here a puncher's chance against Daniel Jacobs. Very attractive odds for those who want to go for the underdogs.

Chavez Jr. is the underdog for a reason, Daniel Jacobs is a beast. The odds of approx 20:1 seem about right to me.

I'm not a person that would bet on an underdog unless I knew something other people don't.

It would need to be a miracle for Chavez to win this fight.

You've got a point there mate, Chavez Jr doesn't have a heart of a champion like his father maybe because he does not experience poverty because he is a son of a boxing legend which provided them with there daily needs.

If you have followed the career of JCC Jr, almost all of his fights were carefully chosen so that he will look good in the ring  :), they were cherry picking back then. In fairness to him, he got the moves and laterals of a good boxer so i think he got a chance to win this fight.

The odds is really tempting, that's why i ask your thoughts about this fight.

Exactly, been following him for years myself and he just padded his stats with tomato can fighters  :).

And as soon as he face Canelo, it's over for him, he was really eating punches that's why I totally lost all my hype on JCC Jr back then. And now him fighting a decent fighter as Daniel Jacobs is, I don't think he has a chance.

The motivation of JCC Jr is not as strong as his father. Maybe true. But the likelihood that Jacobs will win this one is quite high in my opinion. Still interesting to watch what's gonna be like inside the ring though...

I likely think that Daniel Jacobs had a huge advantage in winning this for sure because I think this fight was in favor of Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. career and I think it is arranged to save his downward loop career, but I think the kid will have a hard time in fighting Jacobs because of the many accusations on Chavez is using steroids but that is not really proven the most notable in his issues was his appetite with partying that most people really think known to everyone,

I guess that Chavez wants to return to the spotlight and aiming to get himself back to the good books well let us give him an opportunity but Daniel Jacobs is pretty much offering a fight because I think this will not be an easy feat to achieve.

Right, I'm sure that his father is very disappointment on how Jr career's turn out. Yes, odds are tempting, might be a good idea to bet on the underdog here.

@YuginKadoya - as far as I can remember, the illegal substance that was found on his system is a diuretics, some form of ban substance for weight control. And with all the partying he had and with no diet system in his side, no wonder why he needed it.

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Boxing records update for these two great boxers.
Both boxers have their 3 losses but Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. got more wins compare to Daniel Jacobs.
I'm a little bit curios why odds is favor on Daniel Jacobs even Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. got more wins, (probably, homecourt advantage)
but their reach and height(1cm difference) are the same.

Right, he would rather party all night than train hard, the only thing that made him famous is because he is the son of the legendary Julio Cezar Chavez Sr. Complete contrast, his son didn't live up to the name of his father.


But it could be too late because he chooses to fight Daniel, he should cherry pick someone before looking for big names like Jacobs.

Stats wise then we can say that Chavez is on advantage yet his more experienced than Jacobs but if we do talk about KO percentage then its clear that Jacob do have that punching power.
Try to look on most youtube videos about Chavez where you do able to see the hate anywhere.I dont know why.

Well, the story goes something like this:

[1] Chavez Jr had a big fight ahead of him, it was against Sergio "Sexy" Martinez. So in their HBO special 24 x 7, as far as I can remember, he didn't train that hard and was too lazy to even go to the gym and put up the hard training with Freddie Roach. That time Roach denied it was the case, but when they went on separate ways, he confirmed it.

[2] During his prime, some fights missed the contractual weight for his fight.

• Chavez Jr. comes in overweight at 170.8 at weigh-in for Reyes fight (https://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/07/chavez-jr-comes-in-overweight-at-170-8-at-weigh-in-for-reyes-fight/)

[3] He was found using cannabis after the Sergio Martinez and diuretics.

He is lazy, doesn't have his legendary father's attitude, disrespecting boxing events by not meeting the agreeable weight, and cheater. So that sums up the hatred that Chavez Jr is getting even from Mexican fans.

You also need to add that he was pampered throughout his career, and spoiled by his father.

He has all the tools, a decent boxer with a chance to get to the next level as his father, but chooses not to because he was brat. He had worked with some of the best trainers and sports doctor and yet he didn't achieved greatness and wasn't able to control his weight and chooses to used a steroids.

The odds are way too far in favor of Jacobs. Anyways, JCC Jr fight against Canelo was a disappointment for the boxing fans. I mean he doesn't have what it takes to fight in the ring but still he was given big fights. The odds says it all and I don't think JCC Jr has a chance in this fight.

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Have you notice something in JJC Jr's face? He got a jawline which means that he is training hard for this fight as what coach Freddie Roach have said also. We can't deny that this guy is a spoiled brat but somehow i'm betting for him to win this weekend, 8x money return is just tempting for me though  ;D.

BTW, on the 3 losses that JCC Jr had, he has not lose via knock-out which means that this guy can take a punch also.

Thanks for clarifying and saving me up some time on doing searches yet this one really got me curios about this matter and after you have
tell the story then now i can say that people would definitely hate up this kind of attitude or acts towards on upcoming fight - so i cant blame about the hate is all about.

So what he would possibly do this time? he might be overweight ones again.  ;D Ill go to opposite way this time so basically choosing Jacobs on this one.

Yeah, looks like Jr is really training hard for this fight against Jacobs. Maybe he was inspired by Canelo, who is now the "boxer of Mexico", well he lost to him, but I'm sure that they have plans for Jr to fight Canelo in the future of the money. That's also one thing I've noticed about him, he has a solid chin and can take punches.

Was wondering though if there are contractual obligations for JCC Jr to pay money if he didn't make the weight? I remember that time when he faced Canelo, it was included in the contract because JCC Jr has the notoriety of not making weights.  ;D

That picture though that @bisdak40 posted, it seems he overdo this time.  ;D and he looks like drain as hell.

We can't really tell until we see the final weigh in. So in paper he might be doing good at hiding his weight, but the official weigh in will surely exposed him. Jacobs is the obvious favourite, so I can't argue with you choosing Jacobs against Chavez Jr. ;D

Second time it happen again for Chavez Jr. he gave up again in his corner https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftgl1zAqGB4 he is throwing big punches until he says he don't want anymore must be the cut or the the hands, but one thing for sure fans don't like the way it ended, they think they have been short changed.

There could be serious reason for Chavez decision on giving up, maybe it's for his physical condition. At first the fans might not be amaze on that situation, eventually they'll realize it was for his safety. We will have to accept defeat for our favorite fighter, and even with popular boxers like Pacquiao also experienced losing on his fights.

Too bad I wasn't able to see it, although as I have said before, Chavez Jr breaks down easily and totally quit when the grind gets tougher. As fans we wanted to get our money's worth, so watching him quitting? He will get too much hatred for doing that and probably he is done.

I have seen the video, have you seen the disappointment in the eyes of Chavez Sr?, you really can't compare father and son Chavez Jr was born rich and spoiled Chavez Sr. comes from a poor family and he is one hungry fighter in his time, I wonder what would be the future of Chavez Jr. now, it's better for him to quit.

So he quit and then blame Jacobs for dirty tactics? I haven't watch the fight, but he quit from his stool, no if's, no buts. He did came to the fight fully hydrated and Jacobs said that he felt the punch of a cruiserweight. This could be the end of the road for Jr and will be known as a quitter.

https://www.boxingscene.com/daniel-jacobs-wins-by-tko-five-chavez-jr-results--145316

Using steroid is a risky factor while training in boxing. It depends on Chavez Jr. if he will train well because it can affect his performance. Most especially, endurance and strength will come out when the fight is too long. Maybe that will help Daniel Jacobs win when Julio Cesar passes out. It is better to train without using some chemicals or something that is a drug or medicine.

Just train hard because that is the key, for example Manny Pacquiao didn't use any drugs like steroids. He just train hard, improve his focus, determined and working hard juts for him to dominate his rivals. Now he's a legend. Imagine that.

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With all due respect to the fans of Phoenix, Arizona: Now I disagree with you, my son was making a competitive fight and was winning, unfortunately a header and an elbow comes and he has a broken nose and will now undergo surgery.

Cesar Chavez Jr did won loss the match and it was obvious seeing the odds which heavily favors the Jacobs. Chavez Jr. still need to reform himself and a lot of practice to beat big players. If anyone had bet on Chavez with the hope of upset he would have 8 times the invested amount if the upset would have happened.

He should quit boxing, it is obvious that his mind is not in it and it is also very clear that his last name has proven to be too big for him, he's never going to leave up to the expectations that the fans have of him, and if anything he is now giving a bad reputation to the Chavez last name.

However if people keep paying to see him and he earns a good amount of money each time that he fights then I do not know if he's going to give up boxing so easily when he is rewarded so handsomely for so little effort.

What do you mean? He lost the match already by quitting. If he don't know how to protect himself inside the ring then definitely he should stop from boxing. Of course his father will defend him, but the way I see it, he was behind the scorecard so I don't know how he can win the fight. Probably he just wanted an easy way out.

No he didn't won the match he quit, even if a fighter is leading on points by a mile I don't think I can see him won the fight if he quits the match, i also think that Chavez Jr. is leading the match but very disappointed that he quits the match so no way he can call him a winner.

I know he lost the match. It was just the typo mistake which I have corrected it now. Chavez Jr. wouldn't survive much in this boxing world if he did not improve himself and stop his habit of quitting.

He cannot just use his father name and people will keep on interested to follow his matches. This trend will end if his losing trend continues. Winning should be the main motive in the gambling rather than only earning money.

He is not simply using his father's name. He has the name from his father. That is something beyond his control. He's under a very large shadow of the legendary old man blanketing over him. Unfortunately, he's got only the name from his father, not the boxing prowess.

And it is not only Chavez Jr. that tricks the boxing fans here; everyone in the promotions is involved. This quitter should start to realize that he's not anymore fit inside the ring.

i think it is not only the Mind in which wasnt on him but the "Heart" op being boxer,we have seen too many Fighters that even if they were being knockdown still they are eager to stand up and fight and even those who has big cuts still wanted to stand and fight but this one?a damn quitter,a LOSER.
i think this will be the last time for him to have a break,the first time he did this is tolerable but the second time around?i don't think there is enough explanation for this.

I also notice when it comes to big fights he hard time adjusting winning, like on his fight with Martinez, Alvarez and now Jacobs, he is still young but I wonder where will his career goes after this, he cannot win a match where it matters most, it's time to reinvent himself.

he has no career in boxing,for all those he have shown the fans and the over expectations from him?i believe better he change course and leave the Boxing ring because i believe that he doesn't belong there.

since he is from a family of sportsman then he may find another place to have ventures in life.

He can't simply reinvent himself at this point of his career. Although there are interview of him saying that the wanted to get back again, but he need time to heal his broken nose and several stitches on his face. But I seriously doubt, he always feel short with high level boxers like you mentioned and he will not be an elite type of boxer. Well, he can fight again for the money and that's it. But to become a world champion, he doesn't have the discipline or the X factor.

Before this thread gets lock I just want to post that both fighters has no chance to beat the current middleweight champion and I believe the undisputed one Canelo Alvarez, and also believe Chavez career is over it's hard to attract fights to a fighter who is now known as a quitter, and besides he avoid drug testing.

I though that JCC Jr have change  ;D, he have done it again, quitting like he will be killed when he want to continue fighting lol.

His career is over and he is a big disgrace to his father.

Locking this thread now and thank you guys for your comments and analysis, special mention to Baofeng who never give this spoiled brat a chance to win this fight lol.