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Title: DT1-member included banned red-trusted users which increased his own Trust score Post by: LoyceV on December 21, 2019, 04:16:52 PM See this update (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211484.msg53408940#msg53408940) before jumping to conclusions ;)
While updating Complete overview of users on DT1 and DT2 and their ratings (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5139250.msg53404247#msg53404247), I noticed this DT1-member: Quote Trust list for: klarki (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=407174) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=407174) +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 132 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/407174.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-21_Sat_06.10h/407174.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=klarki)) (created 2019-12-21_Sat_06.10h) Back to index (http://loyce.club/trust/) klarki Trusts these users' judgement: 1. 2. Lauda (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=101872) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=101872) +34 / =4 / -1) (1232 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/101872.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-21_Sat_06.10h/101872.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Lauda)) 3. DrBeer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=201654) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=201654) +1 / =0 / -0) (52 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/201654.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-21_Sat_06.10h/201654.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=DrBeer)) 4. donnyespo (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=211108) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=211108) +1 / =0 / -0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-21_Sat_06.10h/211108.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=donnyespo)) 5. yahoo62278 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=355846) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=355846) +20 / =3 / -0) (1052 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/355846.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-21_Sat_06.10h/355846.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=yahoo62278)) 6. 7. nimogsm (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=532686) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=532686) +1 / =0 / -0) (26 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/532686.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-21_Sat_06.10h/532686.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=nimogsm)) 8. 9. TheFuzzStone (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=679341) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=679341) +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 762 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/679341.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-21_Sat_06.10h/679341.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=TheFuzzStone)) 10. Komosa (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=843320) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=843320) neutral) (5 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/843320.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-21_Sat_06.10h/843320.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Komosa)) 11. 12. PolyPanto (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=896097) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=896097) +3 / =0 / -0) (148 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/896097.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-21_Sat_06.10h/896097.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=PolyPanto)) Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other. Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102296.0). Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust (http://loyce.club/trust/). He included 4 banned users, 3 of them have received negative feedback, and all 4 have given him positive feedback. Out of the +7 positive feedbacks he received, only +1 (johhnyUA (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-21_Sat_06.10h/623643.html)) was not put on DT2 by himself. I'm just leaving this here for the community, so it doesn't get burried in the other thread. Title: Re: DT1-member includes banned red-trusted users to increase his own Trust score Post by: dkbit98 on December 21, 2019, 04:45:49 PM OMG... all the things I see members do here to pump up their profiles. ::)
Title: Re: DT1-member includes banned red-trusted users to increase his own Trust score Post by: TheNewAnon135246 on December 21, 2019, 04:50:52 PM Jeez, who would've seen this kind of behaviour coming ::).
Title: Re: DT1-member includes banned red-trusted users to increase his own Trust score Post by: Findingnemo on December 21, 2019, 05:03:37 PM DT farming is on the way, I guess its time for theymos to manually blacklist some DT members who abuse the system.
Better discuss this on Meta Section. :) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=24.0[/url) Title: Re: DT1-member includes banned red-trusted users to increase his own Trust score Post by: alani123 on December 21, 2019, 05:07:29 PM Props to Loyce for discovering things like this... The trust system has a few weaknesses and I guess 'back scratching' could be considered one. DT members, and especially on DT1, should be heavily scrutinized by the community for such things not to be so easy to pull off.
Title: Re: DT1-member includes banned red-trusted users to increase his own Trust score Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on December 21, 2019, 05:12:02 PM DT farming is on the way, I guess its time for theymos to manually blacklist some DT members who abuse the system. Agreed. I've never heard of this guy before, but it's obvious what he's trying to pull here. Not sure if he thought it would go unnoticed or what, but props to LoyceV for uncovering this rancid piece of shenanigans. OMG... all the things I see members do here to pump up their profiles. ::) Seriously. Anything that can be abused on this forum will be, to the maximum extent possible at some point or another.Title: Re: DT1-member includes banned red-trusted users to increase his own Trust score Post by: LoyceV on December 21, 2019, 05:17:40 PM DT farming is on the way, I guess its time for theymos to manually blacklist some DT members who abuse the system. I don't expect this to happen: theymos has blacklisted a few people from DT1 (several of them at their own request), but I haven't seen anyone blacklisted from DT2. The system is designed for DT1 to keep DT2 in check.Quote Better discuss this on Meta Section. :) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=24.0[/url) It's been discussed before, that's why I posted this individual case in Reputation.DT members, and especially on DT1, should be heavily scrutinized by the community for such things not to be so easy to pull off. Agreed. But DT1 changes monthly, DT2 changes continuously, and individual Trust lists can change at any moment too. It's very time consuming to keep track of all bad actions all the time.I've never heard of this guy before In his defense: he mainly posts in Russian, which most forum users can't read.Title: Re: DT1-member includes banned red-trusted users to increase his own Trust score Post by: TheUltraElite on December 21, 2019, 05:19:53 PM I've never heard of this guy before, Well that is strange, Because....Klarki is the maintainer of the Livecoin exchange thread and acts as their support on this forum. I am not sure but they may just the owner of this exchange. I am sure he can be approached via PM and told about this suspected trust farming. Title: Re: DT1-member includes banned red-trusted users to increase his own Trust score Post by: alani123 on December 21, 2019, 05:35:57 PM DT members, and especially on DT1, should be heavily scrutinized by the community for such things not to be so easy to pull off. Agreed. But DT1 changes monthly, DT2 changes continuously, and individual Trust lists can change at any moment too. It's very time consuming to keep track of all bad actions all the time.Title: Re: DT1-member includes banned red-trusted users to increase his own Trust score Post by: eddie13 on December 21, 2019, 06:33:59 PM Can you tell how long Klarki has had them on his trust list?
If they have been on his list for a very long time then maybe it is not malicious trust stacking and he simply didn't realize they were later banned or whatever.. Before the new DT system many users included others thinking it was like a +trust or something, I imagine like the way I was included by Seal a long time ago and never even knew until the new system was put in, so it could also be something like that.. Anyone PM him yet? It's possible he has a good explanation and will fix it.. May not be a good inclusion into DT1 either way though.. Title: Re: DT1-member includes banned red-trusted users to increase his own Trust score Post by: LoyceV on December 21, 2019, 06:43:31 PM Can you tell how long Klarki has had them on his trust list? Good point: his Trust list is the same now as it was in January (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-01-25_Fri_22.33h/407174.html).Title: Re: DT1-member includes banned red-trusted users to increase his own Trust score Post by: LTU_btc on December 21, 2019, 11:42:30 PM Can you tell how long Klarki has had them on his trust list? Good point: his Trust list is the same now as it was in January (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-01-25_Fri_22.33h/407174.html).Title: Re: DT1-member includes banned red-trusted users to increase his own Trust score Post by: IconFirm on December 22, 2019, 12:00:42 AM Klarki is the maintainer of the Livecoin exchange thread and acts as their support on this forum. You mean he shills for the scam exchange - there is no support & he doesn't provide any either. Title: Re: DT1-member includes banned red-trusted users to increase his own Trust score Post by: xolxol on December 22, 2019, 02:38:02 AM DT farming is on the way, I guess its time for theymos to manually blacklist some DT members who abuse the system. You mean start with the abusers like lauda and friends? i like that to happen most of the abused people esp those who were tagged with shitty reasons will have the balls to come out.Title: Re: DT1-member includes banned red-trusted users to increase his own Trust score Post by: nutildah on December 22, 2019, 03:04:22 AM klarki is now down to DT1(0).
Is (0) the threshold required to deactivate their DT2-appointing powers, or is it (-1)? I think Speaking of people with a lot of political capital, Loyce why haven't you excluded them yet? I'm just curious. Title: Re: DT1-member includes banned red-trusted users to increase his own Trust score Post by: suchmoon on December 22, 2019, 03:55:21 AM Is (0) the threshold required to deactivate their DT2-appointing powers, or is it (-1)? -1 i.e. when they're crossed out here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview Speaking of people with a lot of political capital, Loyce why haven't you excluded them yet? I'm just curious. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Flag_of_Switzerland.svg/1200px-Flag_of_Switzerland.svg.png Title: Re: DT1-member includes banned red-trusted users to increase his own Trust score Post by: Balthazar on December 22, 2019, 07:22:17 AM Simplest option is to ~ these banned DT2s and that will resolve issue as is.
Title: Re: DT1-member includes banned red-trusted users to increase his own Trust score Post by: klarki on December 22, 2019, 08:38:41 AM Hello, community!)
It's funny you're discussing me without me) Title: Re: DT1-member includes banned red-trusted users to increase his own Trust score Post by: LoyceV on December 22, 2019, 08:39:00 AM I think That's always a trade-off indeed. There's still far too much retaliation in the Trust system.Quote Speaking of people with a lot of political capital, Loyce why haven't you excluded them yet? I'm just curious. I don't like to jump to conclusions, that's why I wanted to get community opinions first. Eddie13 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211484.msg53405412#msg53405412) made a good point that I missed: klarki had them on his Trust list long before he was DT1.I was also hoping klarki would respond here, but instead he posted in Russian: Cтpaннaя кoнeчнo лoгикa y LoyceV, ибo мoй тpacт лиcт пpaктичecки нe мeнялcя. Ужe мнoгo paз oбcyждaлocь o вaжнocти coздaния coбcтвeннoгo тpacтлиcтa, чтo coбcтвeннo я и cдeлaл (дoбaвил имeннo тex людeй, c кoтopыми мeня cвязывaют пo бoльшeй cтeпeни имeннo финaнcoвыe взaимooтнoшeния). И вce этo былo cдeлaнo дo мoeгo вxoждeния в DT1 и ни o кaкoм фepмepcтвe DT здecь и peчи быть нe мoжeт. Tpacт лиcт иcпoльзyeтcя пo eгo пpямoмy нaзнaчeнию, нe бoльшe и нe мeньшe) Translated: Quote from: klarki translated by Google Translate Of course, LoyceV has a strange logic, because my trust list has not changed much. It has already been discussed many times about the importance of creating my own trust, which I actually did (I added precisely those people with whom financial relations mostly connect me). The part in red (if translated correctly) makes me think he confuse the Trust list with feedback.And all this was done before I entered DT1, and there can be no talk of any DT farming here. The trust sheet is used for its intended purpose, no more and no less) It's funny you're discussing me without me) Please join :) I posted this in public for a reason (and unfortunately can't do that in Russian).Title: Re: DT1-member includes banned red-trusted users to increase his own Trust score Post by: nutildah on December 22, 2019, 08:58:42 AM I think That's always a trade-off indeed. There's still far too much retaliation in the Trust system.Quote Speaking of people with a lot of political capital, Loyce why haven't you excluded them yet? I'm just curious. I don't like to jump to conclusions, that's why I wanted to get community opinions first. Translated: Quote from: klarki translated by Google Translate Of course, LoyceV has a strange logic, because my trust list has not changed much. It has already been discussed many times about the importance of creating my own trust, which I actually did (I added precisely those people with whom financial relations mostly connect me). The part in red (if translated correctly) makes me think he confuse the Trust list with feedback.And all this was done before I entered DT1, and there can be no talk of any DT farming here. The trust sheet is used for its intended purpose, no more and no less) All this is true; I just think its poor form to have banned members in your trust list. Hello, community!) It's funny you're discussing me without me) If you remove the banned members from your trust list I will remove your exclusion next week after checking Loyce's update. Hope you didn't take it personally. Title: Re: DT1-member includes banned red-trusted users to increase his own Trust score Post by: klarki on December 22, 2019, 09:05:09 AM Please join :) I posted this in public for a reason (and unfortunately can't do that in Russian). To be honest, I don't really understand what the problem is? I don't have much free time, so I'll try to explain myself briefly) The part in red (if translated correctly) makes me think he confuse the Trust list with feedback. What's wrong with that? I really formed my trust list solely on my relationships with forum users. If you remove the banned members from your trust list I will remove your exclusion next week after checking Loyce's update. Hope you didn't take it personally. I've already edited my trust list) Title: Re: DT1-member includes banned red-trusted users to increase his own Trust score Post by: LoyceV on December 22, 2019, 09:07:38 AM If you remove the banned members from your trust list I will remove your exclusion next week after checking Loyce's update. I can already confirm klarki removed the 3 banned users with negative feedback from his Trust list:http://loyce.club/other/klarki.gif Only lega46141 (banned, but no negative feedback) is still on it. The part in red (if translated correctly) makes me think he confuse the Trust list with feedback. What's wrong with that? I really formed my trust list solely on my relationships with forum users.LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.0) It's been translated by the community for 10 local boards, which makes me believe many forum members support what I wrote there. Here's the Russian translation: [Pyкoвoдcтвo] Cиcтeмa дoвepия (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5192166.0) Quote I've already edited my trust list) Thanks :)Title: Re: DT1-member includes banned red-trusted users to increase his own Trust score Post by: klarki on December 22, 2019, 09:23:25 AM Thank you, I will once again reconsider my approach to the compilation of the trust list)
I really still do not understand why some users consider me a trust abuser. Title: Re: DT1-member includes banned red-trusted users to increase his own Trust score Post by: LoyceV on December 22, 2019, 09:39:02 AM I really still do not understand why some users consider me a trust abuser. I'll give you an example: I've received positive feedback from I'm on DT1, so if I would include DavidXXXX on my Trust list that would make him DT2 and my (green) Trust score would increase 1 point. That would be Trust abuse. In your case, I think you confused your Trust list with feedback, and all this happened long before you were on DT (and before the users got banned). I don't think you had bad intentions, but when you reach DT1, those decisions suddenly mean something for other users too. So it's good you reconsidered, thanks for that. Title: Re: DT1-member includes banned red-trusted users to increase his own Trust score Post by: klarki on December 22, 2019, 09:57:20 AM I really still do not understand why some users consider me a trust abuser. I'll give you an example: I've received positive feedback from I'm on DT1, so if I would include DavidXXXX on my Trust list that would make him DT2 and my (green) Trust score would increase 1 point. That would be Trust abuse. In your case, I think you confused your Trust list with feedback, and all this happened long before you were on DT (and before the users got banned). I don't think you had bad intentions, but when you reach DT1, those decisions suddenly mean something for other users too. So it's good you reconsidered, thanks for that. This is certainly true. Thanks for the explanation) Title: Re: DT1-member included banned red-trusted users. Post by: Last of the V8s on December 22, 2019, 11:13:18 AM Thread title doesn't seem Swiss exactly.
Title: Re: DT1-member included banned red-trusted users. Post by: LoyceV on December 22, 2019, 11:15:46 AM Thread title doesn't seem Swiss exactly. How's this:Quote DT1-member included banned red-trusted users which increased his own Trust score I can't add "solved" to the title, it's too long.Title: Re: DT1-member included banned red-trusted users which increased his own Trust score Post by: Last of the V8s on December 22, 2019, 11:20:59 AM Oh God that's fair. I mean measured and accurate.
Nice one LoyceV and also klarki for taking the feedback so well. Title: Re: DT1-member includes banned red-trusted users to increase his own Trust score Post by: Timelord2067 on December 23, 2019, 05:30:52 PM Can you tell how long Klarki has had them on his trust list? Good point: his Trust list is the same now as it was in January (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-01-25_Fri_22.33h/407174.html).Week three klarki gains 20 distrusts, up from zero. Week four - four distrusts are removed. Week seven - two distrusts are removed. Week thirteen - three UID's klarki trusts and two UID's that klarki is trusted by are all banned. - (Connected??) Week fifteen klarki gains two trusts - two weeks later one (lovesmayfamilis) is banned) Week seventeen - fourth UID klarki trusts is banned and one that trusts them is banned (lovesmayfamilis) Week 22 lovesmayfamilis is unbanned Week 35 lovesmayfamilis is removed from trusting klarki Hello, community!) It's funny you're discussing me without me) They do it all the time... ::) I can already confirm klarki removed the 3 banned users with negative feedback from his Trust list: I count four. https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/16/blob9a61db54ae8967fe.jpeg *edit* Quote Only lega46141 (banned, but no negative feedback) is still on it. Opps, missed this. Title: Re: DT1-member includes banned red-trusted users to increase his own Trust score Post by: LoyceV on December 23, 2019, 07:02:39 PM Week three klarki gains 20 distrusts, up from zero. That's the result of this topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103988.0): the ones who distrusted klarki in this week also distrusted many others. Check the Trust feedback they received around that time.You can't blame klarki for this. Title: Re: DT1-member includes banned red-trusted users to increase his own Trust score Post by: Timelord2067 on December 24, 2019, 02:32:35 AM Week three klarki gains 20 distrusts, up from zero. That's the result of this topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103988.0): the ones who distrusted klarki in this week also distrusted many others. Check the Trust feedback they received around that time.You can't blame klarki for this. Absolutely not - as I found with studying the trust activities of irfan_pak10 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5202665.0) it uncovered compelling evidence of another group of sock puppets adding literally hundreds of UID's to their trust list (including irfan_pak10). Thanks for pointing that out. Title: Re: DT1-member includes banned red-trusted users to increase his own Trust score Post by: LoyceV on December 24, 2019, 07:19:08 PM Speaking of people with a lot of political capital, Loyce why haven't you excluded them yet? I'm just curious. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Flag_of_Switzerland.svg/1200px-Flag_of_Switzerland.svg.png |
