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Title: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: blandana on December 22, 2019, 01:41:44 AM
I have posted in the legal section although I believe this topic is important enough to merit a post in the general section.

I have been informed by an attorney that someone is interested in taking my case.
I have contacted nearly ten law firms regarding buy wash trading and harssment in the market regarding forcing the price of bitcoin up with large fake buys and what seems to be robots. If you feel as though you have been damaged by such actions getting tricked into failing trades from harassment or similar situations and believe they are illegal, please send me a P.M. or respond to my legal thread here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211546.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211546.0)


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: odolvlobo on December 22, 2019, 10:04:00 AM
Honestly, I think you are wasting your time and money. Without any real evidence supporting your claims, I don't think you can win.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: BrewMaster on December 22, 2019, 10:19:27 AM
don't mean to be insensitive but it is a bit weird that you are mad about something as meaningless as "wash trading" while in the altcoin market (Binance specifically) there are at least half a dozen pump and dump cases happening every day.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: bitcampaign on December 22, 2019, 10:22:32 AM
You are like a kid who is losing money, I have also lost money in trading, maybe in the same case, but I think again when I press the buy button or sell button it is a decision from ourselves, profit and loss has become a daily food for traders so all accept the risk, any cheating on the exchange you will not be able to win this case even though you have enough evidence, because you do not understand that every trade there is always a risk so think again


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: blandana on December 22, 2019, 10:45:14 AM
Anyone else have something nice or mature to say?  Not sure how many honest people there are here.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: fiulpro on December 22, 2019, 10:52:09 AM
The problem is , you cannot just put a finger on anyone who is into this business , people do that since time immemorial , they wanna make profit , so they invest and change the market according to them , it cannot be called illegal because they are not doing anything wrong according to the laws , morally well yes , how can they actually win ? Because what would they say in the court ?


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: Kemarit on December 22, 2019, 11:15:53 AM
Honestly, I think you are wasting your time and money. Without any real evidence supporting your claims, I don't think you can win.

Exactly, no offense to the OP, but I think this is going to be difficult to proved your claims. And maybe that's the reason why those 10 law firms have declined your case. Goodluck though, I think you needed a lot of that.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: blandana on December 22, 2019, 11:27:51 AM
To everyone "bashing me" no, it's not your time to troll people on the internet, and I do have evidence.  This is the kind of thing I'm talking about.  This is at least -part- of what wash trading is and it isn't just "silly" or "negligible."

These buys are made by someone trying to get attention.  Someone is screwing with people's lives here and I'm taking this to court if the case flies.

december 4, 2019
https://i.imgur.com/oiBJTrI.png

november 24, 2019 spoofing
https://i.imgur.com/IOL5dtI.png

october 19, 2019 "fighting a big sell with a fake buy that screws everyone and fails"
https://i.imgur.com/FCunPdM.jpg

having to go through this type of failure just because someone wants attention trying to force the price
october 3, 2019
https://i.imgur.com/zqXrqys.jpg

clear effort trying to force the price back above the line only to fail again, this constantly happens and it wastes time even if it seems minor
october 3, 2019
https://i.imgur.com/TwMM93K.jpg

data coin binance pump and dump september 29, 2018
https://i.imgur.com/Wsvj83f.png

chat coin sept4, 2018  binance
https://i.imgur.com/kjQPvI2.png

fun token october 2, 2018 binance
https://i.imgur.com/uzjgJQb.png


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: gentlemand on December 22, 2019, 11:43:43 AM
Well, I hope the process gives you some succour and the lawyer doesn't cost too much. I for one would rather go outside and plant a tree or nurse an orphaned dolphin back to health. Crypto will carry on cryptoing.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: blandana on December 22, 2019, 11:47:04 AM
It's too bad most people here seem to be treating this like a game or want to just say "go home kid."  You know you're dealing with an adult here and this isn't time to be immature.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: ChrisPop on December 22, 2019, 12:01:48 PM
Like @odolvlobo said - without some hard, serious evidence you can't do anything especially against someone with such big financial power(talking about Binance). My advice to you is not to see the price movements as wash trading, manipulation or anything like that. When prices move it is simply an imbalance between buyers and sellers. Don't waste your money on a lawsuit unless you have that evidence, your frustration will just grow. Instead you should change your perspective over the market. Just my 2 cents..


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: MURONDI on December 22, 2019, 12:05:06 PM
if indeed the exchange is proven to be fraudulent please proceed with the law, but are you sure the evidence is strong enough to be brought to justice, could that be what is called a fake volume, I am among those who hate cheating in any form, Good luck.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: blandana on December 22, 2019, 12:13:25 PM
if indeed the exchange is proven to be fraudulent please proceed with the law, but are you sure the evidence is strong enough to be brought to justice, could that be what is called a fake volume, I am among those who hate cheating in any form, Good luck.

Yes.  I believe there is a lot of fake volume going on on binance.  A "study" was done supposedly by a trustable source claiming prior to this date that Bitfinex and Binance have 0% fake volume but "every other exchange in the world" "did have fake volume."  That in itself is suspicious enough to warrant an investigation.  Claiming there's not even 1% fake volume most like proves that study was fake.  This evidence most likely proves it along with my experience and any damages anyone would like to personally share with me through a direct message.  (Don't take it personally if you share, it's important and you could get help).


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: blandana on December 22, 2019, 01:05:33 PM
Also, I may include information regarding the "pump" of ripple, and iota.  These are key examples of the abuse the market has gone through.  Sure it looks great but then it's tricked everyone into thinking it's just going to go back to 2 dollars and fight for a year or more over it.  I have a suspicion this was not entirely natural.

I may also include information regarding the ZCL crash on bittrex.  The website froze the market and then the coin was only 20% of it's value after it got "unlocked." Investors had no time to trade at all and were left penniless.  Forks do have negative effects on prices but that was entirely screwed, even if I did get my money back trading later.  It was advertised as a wallet update, not a fork.  This was misleading and most likely caused severe damage.
Bitcoin private (the coin you "got" from the fork) then was later delisted making the entire project a failure and leaving literally everyone broke.

A similar occurance also happened with bitcoin diamond on binance.  It was pushed to unreasonable prices (about 20 dollars compared to 2 or 4 on other exchanges) and as such suffered a severe crash.

Bitcoin diamond lost nearly 80% of it's value in a day.   Not that it's the sellers fault when these dumps occur because you have to leave immediately but this sort of thing shouldn't happen to innocent investors.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: murat131 on December 22, 2019, 01:11:22 PM
How people can be damaged by wash trading?


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: blandana on December 22, 2019, 01:21:02 PM
How people can be damaged by wash trading?

Time wasted through fake trends ruining professional trading.  Wasted time and money through commission on trades that don't work.  Causing terrorism and physical damage including stress from constant harassment in the market.  Getting "hit" by large sells because the buys try to convince you that sells are the enemy.

People have committed suicide over this.  It's time to stop messing around.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: ChrisPop on December 22, 2019, 01:29:59 PM

Time wasted through fake trends ruining professional trading.  Wasted time and money through commission on trades that don't work.  Causing terrorism and physical damage including stress from constant harassment in the market.  Getting "hit" by large sells because the buys try to convince you that sells are the enemy.

People have committed suicide over this.  It's time to stop messing around.

That's very true. The psychological damage that one can suffer from trading in the markets shouldn't be underestimated. Mostly due to this aspect of trading - this endeavour has proven to be one of the most hard things to master and become proficient at. You see.. many people know technical analysis and many do know some kind of risk management principles, but the thing that links these two skills is the ability to control/manage our psychic, mind and emotions.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: blandana on December 22, 2019, 01:34:53 PM
This just happened on Binance.com.  Claiming wash trading doesn't hurt anyone?  I'm going to have to reject that claim.  Look at these silly buys and fake trend someone is trying to make only to fail in the end.  Even if it "miraculously goes up" still,  this is the kind of thing I'm talking about.  I'm trying to help you here, not act like I'm smart.  People are getting hurt when you don't believe I have any sense in my brain.

https://i.imgur.com/iWbMVYI.png


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: BrewMaster on December 22, 2019, 02:41:54 PM
what you are referring to as "evidence" is just big buys and big sells. and unless you can prove that these buys were fake, wash trade or whatever you don't have a case. for example the 602 BTC sell can easily be someone selling 602 bitcoin and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. you have no way of proving that this sell never happened. it is their money and they can sell it however they want otherwise it won't be a free market anymore.

with that said, you should try to adjust your strategy and try to avoid trying to make profit from small swings. try a bigger range and a better analysis of the market.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: blandana on December 22, 2019, 02:44:02 PM
what you are referring to as "evidence" is just big buys and big sells. and unless you can prove that these buys were fake, wash trade or whatever you don't have a case. for example the 602 BTC sell can easily be someone selling 602 bitcoin and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. you have no way of proving that this sell never happened. it is their money and they can sell it however they want otherwise it won't be a free market anymore.

with that said, you should try to adjust your strategy and try to avoid trying to make profit from small swings. try a bigger range and a better analysis of the market.

You're obviously claiming I'm ignorant and have no experience.  Besides these pictures I have video and evidence of binance allowing "traders" to force the price of bitcoin and ethereum to stay above ema lines through illegal tactics and not doing anything about it.  I've been here for over fives years and I've seen the market become violent. This is probably not the best time to troll.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: IadixDev on December 22, 2019, 02:52:42 PM
For me the only possible legal outcome is banning of crypto, because there is no way to enforce regulation in any case, there is no legally checked entity owning crypto, and fund cannot be frozen, and its almost impossible to have international coordination on internet/digital matter, some international crack down happenned into the "copyright infrigment" sector, and even this happenned only few times , mostly in Europe and usa, and bitcoin put another level in anonymity / decentralisation, i really dont see what They could do anyway, other than banning crypto all together, or forcing some warning on website like the cookie thing.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: blandana on December 22, 2019, 03:00:35 PM
For me the only possible legal outcome is banning of crypto, because there is no way to enforce regulation in any case, there is no legally checked entity owning crypto, and fund cannot be frozen, and its almost impossible to have international coordination on internet/digital matter, some international crack down happenned into the "copyright infrigment" sector, and even this happenned only few times , mostly in Europe and usa, and bitcoin put another level in anonymity / decentralisation, i really dont see what They could do anyway, other than banning crypto all together, or forcing some warning on website like the cookie thing.

Thank you for you very serious reponse that isn't trying to act like I'm stupid or harass me directly.  Banning crypto entirely is not the goal, however that could entirely happen.  I will do my best to avoid that outcome if this situation does indeed go to court.

What I hope happens is that binance, bitfinex, and possibly bittrex will be the subject of a serious investigation.  Then, if the defendants are found guilty, the entire community will get a chance at obtaining "reperations" depending on if they can prove they've been affected by this activity.

I want to like bitcoin, that's what I started trading before I became "rich," but the market doesn't work anymore because of this violence, no matter how much money you have anymore.  It's actually less pay now than working at a fast food restaurant (no offense to fast food restaurants)


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: rijaljun on December 22, 2019, 03:01:07 PM
This would be a big discussion though, but not today.

This kind of action (fake volume, wash trading) is possible to happen in every centralized exchange. Unfortunately, you can do nothing if you have no proof of that. You should also agree and be aware of every risk that will come along your trading journey.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: blandana on December 22, 2019, 03:07:51 PM
This would be a big discussion though, but not today.

This kind of action (fake volume, wash trading) is possible to happen in every centralized exchange. Unfortunately, you can do nothing if you have no proof of that. You should also agree and be aware of every risk that will come along your trading journey.

I actually did post proof and it seems like there is wash trading (fake trading) attempting to force bitcoin up right now in fact.

There is also the highly coincidental "experience" of tether printing 3 billion dollars worth of coins the same week they were sent to court starting in april which coincided with a very violent uptrend in bitcoin that I will also have to let the attorney know about.  This is highly suspicious and seems as if it was created as a means of intimidation if tether is related.  It's reasonable to believe this was unnecessary as tether didn't even have enough money to back their full "stash" of 1.5 billion coins, yet somehow "found enough" backing to say "ok lets print 3 billion more."  Getting sent to court could have triggered an unnecessary psychological disease within a trader or owner of tether which violently affected the market.

They will need to explain themselves about this as well if this attorney considers this information important.  There has not been a successful audit to this day.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: blandana on December 22, 2019, 04:03:55 PM
Dude it's going down, "is this a buy or a sell signal"  lol ...dude
uhhhmmmmmmm  I cannot disclose that information because I could be wrong.  Lol but I'm not an insider.

Glad I could share,  there's some dangerous stuff happening.  Thanks for the few posters who took this seriously instead of trying to make fun of me. 


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: blandana on December 22, 2019, 04:12:03 PM
Update, there was just a huge obviously attempting to be intimidating "purchase" on bitcoin just now after it appeared to be going down.  This is the kind of dangerous situation I'm reporting to this attorney.  This isn't a game for this trader to get attention.  And this isn't ok to just do especially after a sell like that because someone had a bad day.

I wouldn't be surprised if it crashes all the way back down in the next hour or two.  This is not "mario" for someone to mess around with.
It's not legal to just do this because you're angry or disagree with selling. 
https://i.imgur.com/6B8fCAb.png


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: luckyflop on December 22, 2019, 04:28:17 PM
There is nothing you can do about this market. Money laundering, scammer ... are always here and we can't accuse them because we have no evidence. So I think you should not waste time on these issues, relax and continue to seek profit if possible.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: blandana on December 22, 2019, 04:35:19 PM
There is nothing you can do about this market. Money laundering, scammer ... are always here and we can't accuse them because we have no evidence. So I think you should not waste time on these issues, relax and continue to seek profit if possible.

No evidence?  When people have committed suicide and something named "tether" is in court? It's most likely time to stop joking around and acting like there's "nothing" a simple joe can do about this situation, or that there's nothing wrong going on here.

There are most likely a hundred people in jail already for scamming people through bitcoin.  It's untrue saying there's "nothing" that can be done no matter how many scammers there are, that is not the proper way to promote prosperity or longevity of society and it's obviously illegal trying to "scam" people.  

Please share with me through a direct message if you believe you received unnecessary damages (even from commission or wasted time or stress) from this type of most likely illegal misconduct.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: blandana on December 22, 2019, 05:50:16 PM
Update to the update:  I'm aware that cryptocurrency exchanges can stalk message boards and if there is a crime being committed right now through wash trading it's endangering the lives of everyone.  This is not a fun house.  Pumping any commodity which bitcoin is with fake buys is illegal I believe.  As far as I'm aware if the U.K. considers it's a comodity and rules it such by law (which it has recently) then it might be a commodity everywhere. It doesn't matter how "mad" your "boss" is.

When it's endangering the world due to their own personal problems and causing chaos in the market solely for attention or "making the news" or to fulfill a desire to "fight people online" as if this is mortal kombat, it's a serious problem.  I mentioned there could be a "terrorist" attack soon which forces the price up here or in another post of mine but that's only because I'm privy to how much of a violent individual this person is and "how long" it takes for them to "get angry again" due to my experience in the market.  I'm not sure this trend that everyone thinks is happening right now is really too legitimate and could be happening because someone has read my messages from their exchange.



Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: blandana on December 22, 2019, 06:18:32 PM
warning: if this trend is happening because of this post I'm not responsible for a crash.  It may be apparent your boss has a psychological illness of trying to intimidate people if the binance "ceo" is reponsible for making this happen.  As far as I'm aware if an individual is using this platform and the market as a means to intimidate people constantly and harass them like these buyers seem to be, it's crossing some legal boundaries. 

This field is not for people to intimidate innocent traders, children, grandmas, adults, or any other type of person that may be interested in trading.  

I am not here to promote this sort of attitude and if there is a serious crash I am not responsible for you trusting this behavior.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: Mike Mayor on December 22, 2019, 06:25:45 PM
Lol this delusional person again. I think I told you before and will tell you again. Lay off the drugs man. I told you before that nothing they are doing is illigal. Trading crypto is not the same as stocks. Somethings you cannot legally do in stocks you can do in bitcoin. You need to stop pulling stuff out of your arse.

Firm name please? Reference? Case number? Name of lawyer? Do you have any idea what a law suite costs and you also have no case. I don't even know what is wrong with you. You need help dude seriously do you not sound how insane this is? Who are you going to sue exactly? The whole exchange.

1 btc says nothing will happen. Now stop polluting the forum with your endless tomfoolery.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: joinfree on December 22, 2019, 06:30:18 PM
I don't know where you are driving at with this case but mate this would not lead anywhere other than the trash house. So save yourself the time and move on with your life. Just learn how to execute trades on the market and don't forget that you don't mix feelings when trading lol.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: blandana on December 22, 2019, 06:34:40 PM
I don't know where you are driving at with this case but mate this would not lead anywhere other than the trash house. So save yourself the time and move on with your life. Just learn how to execute trades on the market and don't forget that you don't mix feelings when trading lol.

Unfortunately your comment is full of shallow vocabulary and criticism that appears to be not thoughtful at all.  I'm afraid I cannot respond with an intelligent comment because you seem like you may just harass me.  Your remarks strike me as ignorant and unwilling to admit any criticism or differing opinion other than your own.  This is not about being tough here as far as I was aware.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: blandana on December 22, 2019, 06:36:16 PM
Lol this delusional person again. I think I told you before and will tell you again. Lay off the drugs man. I told you before that nothing they are doing is illigal. Trading crypto is not the same as stocks. Somethings you cannot legally do in stocks you can do in bitcoin. You need to stop pulling stuff out of your arse.

Firm name please? Reference? Case number? Name of lawyer? Do you have any idea what a law suite costs and you also have no case. I don't even know what is wrong with you. You need help dude seriously do you not sound how insane this is? Who are you going to sue exactly? The whole exchange.

1 btc says nothing will happen. Now stop polluting the forum with your endless tomfoolery.

Is "lay off the drugs" a proper response that would come from an adult discussing a legal matter?  I'm not sure I can take your comment seriously because it seems as though you're trying to provoke me.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: blandana on December 22, 2019, 06:37:57 PM
Lol this delusional person again. I think I told you before and will tell you again. Lay off the drugs man. I told you before that nothing they are doing is illigal. Trading crypto is not the same as stocks. Somethings you cannot legally do in stocks you can do in bitcoin. You need to stop pulling stuff out of your arse.

Firm name please? Reference? Case number? Name of lawyer? Do you have any idea what a law suite costs and you also have no case. I don't even know what is wrong with you. You need help dude seriously do you not sound how insane this is? Who are you going to sue exactly? The whole exchange.

1 btc says nothing will happen. Now stop polluting the forum with your endless tomfoolery.

and also, HELLO.  If I had a case I'm not going to disclose that information and I believe that would be illegal.  I don't have a case yet but I'm explaining myself and trying to find other individuals who feel the same way or believe they have experienced harassment from this.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: Slow death on December 22, 2019, 06:58:28 PM
I have posted in the legal section although I believe this topic is important enough to merit a post in the general section.

I have been informed by an attorney that someone is interested in taking my case.
I have contacted nearly ten law firms regarding buy wash trading and harssment in the market regarding forcing the price of bitcoin up with large fake buys and what seems to be robots. If you feel as though you have been damaged by such actions getting tricked into failing trades from harassment or similar situations and believe they are illegal, please send me a P.M. or respond to my legal thread here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211546.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211546.0)

i was shocked when i saw the price suddenly drop from $9700 to $7700 then rose from $7300 to $10200 in just about 2 days. then went up from $6500 to $7400 in just one day and 4 days ago repeated the same thing, went up from $6400 to $7400 in just one day. This is typical of pump and dump in the crypto world. Just pretend you never saw any of this because it's something that won't change anytime soon. Don't spend money on lawyers because of it


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: blandana on December 22, 2019, 07:03:40 PM
I have posted in the legal section although I believe this topic is important enough to merit a post in the general section.

I have been informed by an attorney that someone is interested in taking my case.
I have contacted nearly ten law firms regarding buy wash trading and harssment in the market regarding forcing the price of bitcoin up with large fake buys and what seems to be robots. If you feel as though you have been damaged by such actions getting tricked into failing trades from harassment or similar situations and believe they are illegal, please send me a P.M. or respond to my legal thread here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211546.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211546.0)

i was shocked when i saw the price suddenly drop from $9700 to $7700 then rose from $7300 to $10200 in just about 2 days. then went up from $6500 to $7400 in just one day and 4 days ago repeated the same thing, went up from $6400 to $7400 in just one day. This is typical of pump and dump in the crypto world. Just pretend you never saw any of this because it's something that won't change anytime soon. Don't spend money on lawyers because of it

"Just pretend you didn't see it"  I'm not sure that's the wisest thing to say.  That may imply you may have seen something you believe to be illegal but you are not able to speak out about it "for some reason."
Also,  I'm fairly certain I need to push this case.  No matter how much of a "problem" someone's "boss" has about opinions that are different on the internet, when it's causing a war and or a holocaust in bitcoin it's a very serious problem.  The amount of money used to violate the market through seemingly illegal tactics is most likely very serious and I cannot bring myself to just "pretend I didn't see it anymore."

Just because you discover a new country that's uncharted doesn't mean you can commit crimes against a civilian there or rape or strangle their sister to death everyday if your homeland is "unware" of their existence.   In terms of regulation, harassment and violence, there are certain boundaries in respect to human life that need to be taken into consideration everywhere. I would have preferred things to not get this serious but I believe I have no other alternative.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: DooMAD on December 22, 2019, 07:13:01 PM
You're still deflecting from the real problem.  When you've finished with the attorney, be sure to book an appointment with a counsellor to discuss your gambling addiction.  If you had proper impulse control, this wouldn't be affecting you as badly as it is. 


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: blandana on December 22, 2019, 07:16:51 PM
You're still deflecting from the real problem.  When you've finished with the attorney, be sure to book an appointment with a counsellor to discuss your gambling addiction.  If you had proper impulse control, this wouldn't be affecting you as badly as it is. 

And you're glancing over my request asking for people not to troll this thread.  Your harassment is not welcome here.  You do not know me, you never have, I have not met you until this moment, and those comments are obviously derogatory.  I'm not sure how else to respond to your comment.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: DooMAD on December 22, 2019, 07:18:48 PM
You're still deflecting from the real problem.  When you've finished with the attorney, be sure to book an appointment with a counsellor to discuss your gambling addiction.  If you had proper impulse control, this wouldn't be affecting you as badly as it is. 

And you're glancing over my request asking for people not to troll this thread.  Your harassment is not welcome here.  You do not know me, you never have, I have not met you until this moment, and those comments are obviously derogatory.  I'm not sure how else to respond to your comment.

It's not trolling.  I genuinely believe you need help.  For someone to be as consumed by this as you are, it clearly highlights something is wrong.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: blandana on December 22, 2019, 07:24:39 PM
You're still deflecting from the real problem.  When you've finished with the attorney, be sure to book an appointment with a counsellor to discuss your gambling addiction.  If you had proper impulse control, this wouldn't be affecting you as badly as it is.  

And you're glancing over my request asking for people not to troll this thread.  Your harassment is not welcome here.  You do not know me, you never have, I have not met you until this moment, and those comments are obviously derogatory.  I'm not sure how else to respond to your comment.

It's not trolling.  I genuinely believe you need help.  For someone to be as consumed by this as you are, it clearly highlights something is wrong.

Would you say a mother who had her daughter stabbed by your friend is "consumed" if you knew the culprit?  That's the kind of language you're throwing at me right now.  If you reply to me I don't believe I can argue because it seems as though you are not open to opinions.  I understand you may feel a need to "diagnose" people on the internet but you are not a psychologist, neither am I, but it's obvious there's a problem.  Your need to act smarter than me without giving facts and acting like you've known me my whole life is most likely another indication of the problem and a clear indication of trolling and hiding the truth or something like that is seems.  
I have not created a holocaust in bitcoin towards saving money, creating fake articles always saying the price is going to 200,000 from "experts," acting like bears are "evil" even though they were a bull 20 minutes before they sold. That is what this is about.  Not about whether or not you think I have a "gambling" problem.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: gentlemand on December 22, 2019, 07:25:15 PM
It's not trolling.  I genuinely believe you need help.  For someone to be as consumed by this as you are, it clearly highlights something is wrong.

If it were me I would have noticed that barely anyone has made one supportive comment throughout the weeks this has been going on. And that on a place with thousands of deeply experienced people who've seen and done it all. I would take that as a sign of some sort. Not sure what.

But if continuing on this crusade makes OP happy then I'm all for it.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: blandana on December 22, 2019, 07:28:08 PM
It's not trolling.  I genuinely believe you need help.  For someone to be as consumed by this as you are, it clearly highlights something is wrong.

If it were me I would have noticed that barely anyone has made one supportive comment throughout the weeks this has been going on. And that on a place with thousands of deeply experienced people who've seen and done it all. I would take that as a sign of some sort. Not sure what.

But if continuing on this crusade makes OP happy then I'm all for it.

Gentlemand, this problem has been going on for so long (nearly two years) that I might literally save the entire cryptocurrency community from a tyrant that no one has spoken out about except for maybe three groups.  It seems to have been an effort to make it happen for "so long" that it started to seem "normal."  

I'm hoping you can thank me later if all goes well and you can see what kind of market everyone has been missing once this abuse on binance.com is checked out.

It's not always up, but that doesn't mean you can't trade it.  That's what people don't understand.  The functionality and traders that have been getting abused by fighting sells is literally ruining the entire market.  If not this, something is and the volume decline on binance.com recently most likely proves it.

I'm not sure if I'm the only one that constantly feels "annoyed" as if bitcoin is trying to "talk" to me.  It didn't used to act like that and that's clear manipulation and harassment if the purpose is to trick people into buying.

It wouldn't be so bad if it worked but sheep don't have enough money to save people spending millions of dollars a day to "show off" like that.  In the end it's only hurting the criminal doing it and everyone else, especially if it's targeted at me and I'm only using 20 dollars.  (20 dollars isn't going to save this market)


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: eaLiTy on December 22, 2019, 07:41:23 PM
~snip
Time wasted through fake trends ruining professional trading.  Wasted time and money through commission on trades that don't work.  Causing terrorism and physical damage including stress from constant harassment in the market.  Getting "hit" by large sells because the buys try to convince you that sells are the enemy.
Since you have the evidence about Binance and their wash trading practices i guess you will be fighting against them in Malta as they are registered in Malta and if you are not residing over there how come you can fight them legally is a big question. The market is not regulated and the risk are known to everyone and if you are trading in an unregulated exchange in your jurisdiction how can you take legal action against them. I like your enthusiasm but i would like to know how you are trying to accomplish that.

People have committed suicide over this.  It's time to stop messing around.
It is like fighting a ghost about something you really cannot do anything until and unless you have a lot of money to fight against the malpractice of the unregulated market and even then it is a sheer waste of time and money. Wait till your country regulates these exchanges and then if you fight against them then you will have a possibility to block the website in your country and that is the best thing you can do.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: Mike Mayor on December 22, 2019, 07:47:30 PM
Lol this delusional person again. I think I told you before and will tell you again. Lay off the drugs man. I told you before that nothing they are doing is illigal. Trading crypto is not the same as stocks. Somethings you cannot legally do in stocks you can do in bitcoin. You need to stop pulling stuff out of your arse.

Firm name please? Reference? Case number? Name of lawyer? Do you have any idea what a law suite costs and you also have no case. I don't even know what is wrong with you. You need help dude seriously do you not sound how insane this is? Who are you going to sue exactly? The whole exchange.

1 btc says nothing will happen. Now stop polluting the forum with your endless tomfoolery.

Is "lay off the drugs" a proper response that would come from an adult discussing a legal matter?  I'm not sure I can take your comment seriously because it seems as though you're trying to provoke me.

You didn't even listen to a thing I said... I know quite a lot about the law. I grew up with and still live with my brother who is a qualified lawyer. I think you sound crazy and you surely delusional. Your posts are very entertaining though, this I cannot deny. You have also failed to answer any of my questions. There is no legal matter. No laws have been broken. How does your head work? How can you blame an exchange for bitcoin going down? Another thing, why are you such a bull??? If you so clever like you pretend to be then why the hell don't you profit off of bearish periods? It is only good if bitcoin goes up and not down? If you had some of your investment in either fiar or stable coin you could just buy more bitcoin when it drops. You have no idea what a law suite costs or what you are talking about. You avoid all my serious questions so why should anyone listen to you?

If you so very serious like you say then where is your case number? You can't even produce that. What a job. No court in the world will take you seriously for wasting their time. You didn't go to law school you don't know what you are talking about in the slightest bit. I mean... DO you even have the money it takes to start a law suite? Even if you had something on an exchange they have so much more money then you. They will destroy you in court. You delusional to think they have done anything wrong and let us just say they have, that still makes you delusional for thinking you can even make a dent on them. You have no case dude. Even in the real world outside of bussiness. You can't just sue people thats not how it works. Anyway have fun being crazy. Keep us updated.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: blandana on December 22, 2019, 07:48:41 PM
~snip
Time wasted through fake trends ruining professional trading.  Wasted time and money through commission on trades that don't work.  Causing terrorism and physical damage including stress from constant harassment in the market.  Getting "hit" by large sells because the buys try to convince you that sells are the enemy.
Since you have the evidence about Binance and their wash trading practices i guess you will be fighting against them in Malta as they are registered in Malta and if you are not residing over there how come you can fight them legally is a big question. The market is not regulated and the risk are known to everyone and if you are trading in an unregulated exchange in your jurisdiction how can you take legal action against them. I like your enthusiasm but i would like to know how you are trying to accomplish that.

People have committed suicide over this.  It's time to stop messing around.
It is like fighting a ghost about something you really cannot do anything until and unless you have a lot of money to fight against the malpractice of the unregulated market and even then it is a sheer waste of time and money. Wait till your country regulates these exchanges and then if you fight against them then you will have a possibility to block the website in your country and that is the best thing you can do.

So...if Honda sells my sister a car and she dies since they're registered in Japan or something (gosh forbid this happens, Honda makes really reliable cars and I haven't heard of an accident from engineering malpractice) I have to fly to a different country and suddenly accept rules that could encourage terrorism?  I'm not sure you're a legal expert.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: blandana on December 22, 2019, 07:50:53 PM
Lol this delusional person again. I think I told you before and will tell you again. Lay off the drugs man. I told you before that nothing they are doing is illigal. Trading crypto is not the same as stocks. Somethings you cannot legally do in stocks you can do in bitcoin. You need to stop pulling stuff out of your arse.

Firm name please? Reference? Case number? Name of lawyer? Do you have any idea what a law suite costs and you also have no case. I don't even know what is wrong with you. You need help dude seriously do you not sound how insane this is? Who are you going to sue exactly? The whole exchange.

1 btc says nothing will happen. Now stop polluting the forum with your endless tomfoolery.

Is "lay off the drugs" a proper response that would come from an adult discussing a legal matter?  I'm not sure I can take your comment seriously because it seems as though you're trying to provoke me.

You didn't even listen to a thing I said... I know quite a lot about the law. I grew up with and still live with my brother who is a qualified lawyer. I think you sound crazy and you surely delusional. Your posts are very entertaining though, this I cannot deny. You have also failed to answer any of my questions. There is no legal matter. No laws have been broken. How does your head work? How can you blame an exchange for bitcoin going down? Another thing, why are you such a bull??? If you so clever like you pretend to be then why the hell don't you profit off of bearish periods? It is only good if bitcoin goes up and not down? If you had some of your investment in either fiar or stable coin you could just buy more bitcoin when it drops. You have no idea what a law suite costs or what you are talking about. You avoid all my serious questions so why should anyone listen to you?

If you so very serious like you say then where is your case number? You can't even produce that. What a job. No court in the world will take you seriously for wasting their time. You didn't go to law school you don't know what you are talking about in the slightest bit. I mean... DO you even have the money it takes to start a law suite? Even if you had something on an exchange they have so much more money then you. They will destroy you in court. You delusional to think they have done anything wrong and let us just say they have, that still makes you delusional for thinking you can even make a dent on them. You have no case dude. Even in the real world outside of bussiness. You can't just sue people thats not how it works. Anyway have fun being crazy. Keep us updated.

You're trying to gain too much information that I cannot provide.  You request I provide you with my case number.  I explained this has not become a case yet.  Even if it had, I'm not sure that would be entirely legal.  You also used the phrase "if you're so clever" and "why the hell."  I'm not sure if it's in my best interest to consider your opinion without some skepticism.  

Also claiming "no laws have been broken" is quite rash even if you have a friend that knows the law.  This hasn't even gone to court yet.

I'm going to have to go to bed soon.  It's 1PM but the constant harassment in bitcoin makes it pretty difficult to get some good sleep.  I'm not sure why this is such a big deal about acting like it's for attention if it constantly fails in the end trying to act like this in the market.  Pretty sure getting insomnia or the inability to sleep because of this shouldn't be happening either.  I hardly believe I'm the only one that has to deal with this kind of stress.  If you feel like sharing, I wont include your name but the attorney may be interested in your story.  Please send me a direct message.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: eaLiTy on December 22, 2019, 11:58:58 PM
~snip
So...if Honda sells my sister a car and she dies since they're registered in Japan or something (gosh forbid this happens, Honda makes really reliable cars and I haven't heard of an accident from engineering malpractice) I have to fly to a different country and suddenly accept rules that could encourage terrorism?  I'm not sure you're a legal expert.
Good analogy  :D, first learn to coin things, how can you even compare these is out of my comprehension  :P.
For the sake of fun i can explain your cheesy comparison, lets suppose the car you purchased had a manufacturing defect and lets base everything on that.
You will be going to a dealer in the US to purchase the Honda car, you either go to the DMV or you can register with the help of the car dealer from where you purchased to get your license plate to get the vehicle on to the road. So when you find out your car does have a manufacturing defect, you do not need to take a flight to Japan to file a case, you can file a consumer complaint in the US itself and get it replaced :P.

So when it comes to using the internet to purchase something which is not even registered in the US how will you go about things, i would like to know your understanding on things to comment further. I bet you are in your early teens, do you seriously think that the US authorities are not monitoring these dubious trades happening in different exchanges. Why do you think that the regulations takes this long, if it was that easy they would have already regulated everything.

So what is the solution, you want to know ?
A regulatory board to monitor and access the situation and every exchange who wants to accept US traders should register and follow the rules if not they cannot accept US traders other than that you really cannot do anything about it as Binance is a virtual company and i am not even sure whether they have an office in Malta.

PS: What ever that makes you happy, go for it, i am sure your attorney will give you a good advice without burning your bank balance ;).


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: DooMAD on December 23, 2019, 12:05:48 AM
It's not trolling.  I genuinely believe you need help.  For someone to be as consumed by this as you are, it clearly highlights something is wrong.

Would you say a mother who had her daughter stabbed by your friend is "consumed" if you knew the culprit?  That's the kind of language you're throwing at me right now.  If you reply to me I don't believe I can argue because it seems as though you are not open to opinions.  I understand you may feel a need to "diagnose" people on the internet but you are not a psychologist, neither am I, but it's obvious there's a problem.  

The only problem I see is that people have programmed bots to automate trading and you clearly don't approve of that.  I honestly don't know how you would prevent it, short of perhaps implementing something similar to one of those Tobin taxes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobin_tax) or Robin Hood taxes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Hood_tax) in an attempt to curb automated high-frequency trading.  But I can't imagine many traders would be fond of that.  Maybe such a system would grant you the particular type of trading audience you desire, though.  All the bot users would be on their free-for-all style exchange as they currently are and you'd have to be on your entirely new transactionally taxed exchange.  The trade-off would be that yours will likely have considerably fewer users, so overall liquidity could come into question.


Trading has become financial slavery and it really has to change.
Everyday there's something out there there tries to lie to people and abuse them with fake information, trolls, and fake volume nearly on every website but mostly on Binance.com trying to make them buy bitcoin literally everyday, harassing them with constant buy trades and fake volume as if doing anything else is wrong.

It gets so wrong and abusive that traders hardly have time to sleep let alone take a shower or clean their own home.

On average, how many hours a day do you spend on exchanges, if you don't mind my asking?


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: meanwords on December 23, 2019, 12:50:57 AM
Dude if you win this, you'll be rich as fuck. Though it will be a difficult case since Binance is one of the most reputable exchange out there and wash trading here is considered a norm even among those other centralized exchanges. I'm interested in what would be the outcome. I hope you do your best in this.

I'll be keeping an eye on this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211546.0


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: DreamStage on December 23, 2019, 04:07:13 AM
I do not think you have a chance of getting out on a winning situation.
If you think about it, it will be hard to prove anything since you are talking about anonymous money involved.

Binance is an exchange and when you have joined you accepted their terms which means it will be even harder if they prove you wrong.

Also since it's a cryptocurrency situation it's more likely that all attorneys that wanted your case are looking for your money on a lost case situation rather than helping you out.
Anyway good luck.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: Eugenar on December 23, 2019, 04:42:41 AM
It will be hard for you, who you are dealing with is a huge great and reputable exchange. Binance do actually showed the market that they are one of the best exchange and with the issues regarding fake volumes, it is actually couldn't been disregarded as we all know every exchange have their fishy moves, but without facts and proof, you have nothing against them. So what I could advise is for you to somehow show the public some flaws that you could find either technically, or directly misleading information provided by whom you're dealing with.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: odolvlobo on December 23, 2019, 05:31:36 AM
To everyone "bashing me" no, it's not your time to troll people on the internet, and I do have evidence.  This is the kind of thing I'm talking about.  This is at least -part- of what wash trading is and it isn't just "silly" or "negligible."

These buys are made by someone trying to get attention.  Someone is screwing with people's lives here and I'm taking this to court if the case flies.
...

I'm on your side, but ...

1. Price charts are not sufficient evidence of wrongdoing. They aren't even sufficient evidence of manipulation.
2. The existence of a price wall is not evidence of spoofing.
3. A spike in the price is not evidence of pump-and-dump.
4. You plan to sue Binance for the actions of others? I don't think that will be successful.

I would also like to note that contrary to what some people are saying, you can sue someone and be compensated for damages even if their actions are legal.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: stompix on December 23, 2019, 10:49:49 AM
Would you say a mother who had her daughter stabbed by your friend is "consumed" if you knew the culprit?
~
I have not created a holocaust in bitcoin towards saving money, creating fake articles always saying the price is going to 200,000 from "experts," acting like bears are "evil" even though they were a bull 20 minutes before they sold.

A month ago when you first started this campaign I've told you to stop being such a drama queen and stop with the stupid analogies.
So stop with the "stabbing" and most of all stop with the "holocaust", ignorants should not use this word lightly.
When you're going to see those "tyrants" or how you call them that that "fix' prices in bitcoin kill 1/4 of your country population then use this word, till then, DON'T!

Second, and this is from a legal point of view.
No, you haven't talked to any lawyer, because if you would have spent even 5 minutes with a serious one then you would know these things:

- you can't sue people or companies randomly for a cause
- you can't file a civil lawsuit calling all the exchanges fo random trades that happens at different times, just like if you get sick from eating at KFC on 14th December and at Subway on the 6th you won't be seeing them in the same court
- if you have received financial damage you must first prepare a document that would quantify those losses, you haven't shown anything like that

So...if Honda sells my sister a car and she dies since they're registered in Japan or something (gosh forbid this happens, Honda makes really reliable cars and I haven't heard of an accident from engineering malpractice) I have to fly to a different country and suddenly accept rules that could encourage terrorism?  I'm not sure you're a legal expert.

Again, your analogy shows that you have no clue how things work.
You can't buy and register a car in a country without that country  NHTSA equivalent, so if you want a '94 supra, bad luck, you can't have one.
So, you have to buy is from an authorized dealership, which is the legal representative for that brand in your country.

But again, from cars, you've gone to terrorism.

A real piece of advice:
Stop trading and stop watching shitcoins hoping you will hit the jackpot with either a lucky trade or a lawsuit.
You're wasting both time and money and what is far more concerning what little health you have left.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: piebeyb on December 23, 2019, 12:20:14 PM
there is still a lot more you can do out there than having to take care of cases like this, if you hire a lawyer to take care of this it will waste your money too, if it's free just let the lawyer take care of this case if it looks interesting, but I think it will be difficult to solve this case and to me it doesn't look interesting


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: rijaljun on December 23, 2019, 04:24:31 PM
I actually did post proof and it seems like there is wash trading (fake trading) attempting to force bitcoin up right now in fact.

There is also the highly coincidental "experience" of tether printing 3 billion dollars worth of coins the same week they were sent to court starting in april which coincided with a very violent uptrend in bitcoin that I will also have to let the attorney know about.  This is highly suspicious and seems as if it was created as a means of intimidation if tether is related.  It's reasonable to believe this was unnecessary as tether didn't even have enough money to back their full "stash" of 1.5 billion coins, yet somehow "found enough" backing to say "ok lets print 3 billion more."  Getting sent to court could have triggered an unnecessary psychological disease within a trader or owner of tether which violently affected the market.

They will need to explain themselves about this as well if this attorney considers this information important.  There has not been a successful audit to this day.

Do you think that is enough to sue them?

I would love to see it towards Binance and see their responses regarding this issue. If you think it is unfair and harmful for most traders probably better to take a legal action or at least have a thread on scam accusation section with a strong proofs and arguments (to make them clarify about this). But, if you lose argument against them, they would just be stronger than ever.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: Dabs on December 23, 2019, 04:59:27 PM
OP is obviously upset about something that he has no control over, and attempting to gain some control over it, no matter how improbably isn't going to help much. But hey, you never know. It's these little guys that try to do the impossible and something happens... Hopefully for the better.

I've just accepted that some things you really can't control no matter how hard you try.


Title: Re: I am meeting with an attorney, have you been damaged by wash trading on binance?
Post by: jameshugo17 on December 23, 2019, 09:57:25 PM
I don't think it would be free. But these cases may be popular nowadays. Perhaps the lawyer will want to take advantage of this popularity. I think it would make more sense to make a deal based on the outcome of the case.