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Ever since strict regulations were introduced in 2017, we've seen a substantial decline in Bitcoin's price across the market. It's believed that 2017 was the year where Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies went "mainstream" as many people adopted them for their own benefit. The introduction of new regulations, ETFs, futures trading, and Bitcoin forks (BCH, BSV, etc.) could've had an impact over Bitcoin's price. Whales could be manipulating Bitcoin's price as we know, preventing the pioneer cryptocurrency for reaching new All-time-highs in price.

Imagine if every Bitcoin halving, prices would remain the same or lower than they were before. This would turn out to be completely unsustainable for miners, resulting in decreased security of the Bitcoin blockchain. Of course, the way Bitcoin was designed tells us that price should be going up over time. But I've seen how regulations and events in the mainstream world have negatively impacted Bitcoin's price to a point where it has taken a very long time to rise back up to its original levels. It's been almost 2 years since a bear market occurred (2018), and could last longer as we know it.

As it's said, "Patience is a virtue". We as "hodlers" of Bitcoin should be patient in order to see better results in the future. But, what if Bitcoin never reaches a new ATH? Then, I'm afraid that most people "hodling" Bitcoin will lose all of their investment in the long run.

What are your thoughts? ???

Bitcoin will reach another ATC after the next halving, just like each time before, and probably each time after.
The bitcoin price right now is based in part on supply and demand. The biggest sellers of bitcoin are miners who sell in order to cover costs. After each halving, the amount of bitcoin miners can sell is cut in half forever, while demand rises. There is a constant stream of new users, new wallets, more transactions etc. The ecosystem is constantly growing, demand is constantly growing, but traders, whales and market manipulators will mean its a little harder to see. Zoom out, bitcoin is volatile in an upward trajectory, and always will be.

If one more time the all time high is being achieved every cryptocurrency users will enjoy like anything. For a much longer time period there is more and more expectations with the growth in the price of bitcoin. Because, the rest of the cryptocurrencies will follow the growth of bitcoin. This way everything is interlinked with the growth of bitcoin. An ath from bitcoin will happen, but this time it'll happen in a slow and steady way, not like the one that happened previously resembling a bubble.

We cannot remove the fact that there is a possibility that Bitcoin will never reach a new ATH the same thing that it will reach a new one.  With the design of Bitcoin supply, the spreading awareness of people and growing community of Bitcoin, I would not worry about the not breaking ATH things because those stated conditioned are designed to strengthen and increase the price of Bitcoin.  It may take long but will definitely break the recent ATH price of Bitcoin.

That situation might simply delay the day when the limit will be breached, but i'm sure that day will come. Sooner or later Bitcoin will reach 20k. If it gets more stable, as you say, it might simply take more time, years or decades, doesn't matter. But i'm quite sure it won't lose its value permanently.

I actually expect that, the price will remain the same after halving just like you say, if there is a price change it will be before halving, and then a correction depending. You are quite incorrect about security, Bitcoin is secure with almost any hashrate, and this hashrate isn't going to change too abruptly, the network will almost certainly have enough time to adapt gradually to any new situation.

You even want to make it look like its some sort of danger, when its actually what its going to happen, and has been happening all these years. Mining is less and less profitable, therefore there will be less miners, but no, it won't make Bitcoin less secure.

What you don't get is that if miners leave its because it has become too expensive to mine, and so any "attacks" would be as well, they go together. This is why the security of the network is quite stable regardless. Of course you could argue the network is a tiny bit more secure with many more miners, but the opposite isn't quite so.

Mining aside, the value of Bitcoin remains since the vast majority comes from already minted coins in the market. Time has only reduced the amount of coins that come from mining, and has becoming almost negligible. Most of the coins that will ever be are already out there, and the current price is from this supply while the demand tends to increase (pushing the price up). The mining slows this somewhat but its destined to reduce until it disappears.

In any case don't expect the ath to be breached anytime soon, but even less expect losing value, it won't, not in long term anyway. There is no reason to ever leave Bitcoin except when you actually want to spend in something. Leaving out of fear that might lose its value, will only lead you to net loss. You WILL repent later. Just hold, and if it goes down, hold tighter (and buy cheap while you can).

There should not be a reason to find a time to sell, for selling sake. Bitcoin should be viewed as something you get in but not get out in the long run, just use what you must and hold on to the rest.

If you want to play short term trader, that's another subject entirely. As a holder, you shouldn't even think of selling, ever.

ATH is not that necessary. What to me is more essential is that we have higher demands over Bitcoin by adoption, effectively increasing its price on a steady level, that could be much above where it is right now. If you're anticipating new ATHs, and treating Bitcoin only as a speculative asset for investors to gamble on, it's way off what Nakamoto has it intended for. Though this is what happens this days, it's just not that right to be.

It might not be next halving yet but will definitely have it's new ATH soon, date is yet unknown as the price in 2017 escade too fast. Unlike the price increases it created when halving happens before the 2017 pump. As Bitcoin have limited supply it will have chance to create a high demand especially when demand and use of bitcoin been too popular. We all need to wait for the mean time or trade well to make our portfolio better while ATH is not yet to be seen.

About miner or anything that related to system maybe i don't know. If me maybe i will keep earning bitcoin as long i still can do it. Because i actually never expect if bitcoin can reach it's ATH when pumped. And if in next bitcoin maybe stable, as long it not reach $1000 i think i will keep earning bitcoin.

Then we just have to deal with it,
We all know that investment always have a risk and it is the risk of investing in Bitcoin.
We couldn't guaranty that there wouldbe a next ATH we could just assume so it is the risk that we are taking for investing in Bitcoin for a long term.

Since many are are expecting that the next halving will really pushed the price of Bitcoin significantly or over and above the last ATH recorded, then probably many can be disappointed and some can be discouraged to continue on holding Bitcoin. Let's see how the market dynamics can be interacting once there can be new ATH as produced by the halving. However, we know that Bitcoin has many surprises on its sleeves so maybe the best thing to do is just for the many things to happen before, during and after the halving.

Then so be it.

If Bitcoin will not reach a new ATH then I will probably lose as an investor. But I will never lose as a user and an adopter. The freedom that it gives is enough for me to continue using it despite its price not rising.

What I only hope is that Bitcoin is going to become widely accepted as possible so that everyone can use it easily.

I don't know if bitcoin will reach the new ATH after splitting in half because there are indeed many people splitting in half is a way to increase bitcoin prices to soar higher, but I don't care because the price fluctuations are so uncertain, as long as the price of bitcoin is more stable above $15,000 would be far better than having to wait for an uncertain ATH.
Many adoptions have been carried out everywhere but the price of bitcoin is still lacking somehow but I also don't know.

If new ATH will never come, bitcoin hodlers will lose their hope and probably sell their holdings immediately (but only for the weak hands). But for some like me, I will still hold and will never lose hope that the new ath will come in the near future. I will still hold and keep on using bitcoin.

You are watching this market from last two years.That's why you are telling that. You should go back to 2011 and see that time bitcoin crash, after that see the 2017 bitcoin price? So here we can learn holder win in long run and who sold there coin before btc reach ATH,they are crying now. And yes,I believe that bitcoin will reach ATH in 2020/21.  

That might lose their investors, yeah.

But there are a lot of strong hand here that would never let go of their Bitcoins and that might change it. Price will continue to change and it is sti volatile so we don't know what might happen. It might lose the interest of investors but as long as it is giving profit to them, I think it will survive.

One way or another bitcoin will reach its ATH. It could be because of the halving or for other reasons. Looking at the parabolic cycle and considering that bitcoin and crypto haven't reached the peak of adaptation yet, and not to mention the limited supply of crypto, the price of crypto will reach another ATH.

It will in time, as many will soon to see it's importance. Those holders will soon to benefit once real adoption happens that may cause another ATH. Let's remember that before the ATH achieved before it happens unexpectedly so we will never know when exactly it can be, maybe this halving or next but it will happen once many adopt and believes in BTC again.

I would agree with that than to have a bubble that bursted easily. What we need more is an organic growth that could sustain in the long run moreover will be beneficial for long term holders.

I guess we should not expecting ath for now and for next year while it's actually tiring to speculate. Just wait it to happen unexpectedly hence it will come in time. Who knows.

In any case, everything is just a prediction. Currently, the market is difficult to achieve ATH like 2017, but in the future no one knows in advance. We are currently only speculating and hoping the price will increase in the future, with what BTC is showing and every day more people know about BTC, achieving ATH is only sooner or later.

Many are worried about the new ATH, especially Bitcoin keepers. But do not be upset, because there are investors who believe in the new ATH. You need to wait a little and who knows, maybe after the month of May, Halving Bitcoin will make you speak differently.

WRONG.
ever since bitcoin price entered a gigantic bubble that had no other way but to burst, the price entered the bear market after 3 years of bull run and has dropped for nearly a year before it started rising back up again for the past year.

there hasn't been any ETFs to want to affect bitcoin price and altcoins such as BCH and BCHSV have no long term effects on bitcoin price.

manipulation is part of any market and maybe on a bigger scale in bitcoin market but manipulators can not "prevent" price from going back up ever or even keeping it down.

wrong again. bear market ended a year ago. 2019 was a bull market or have you missed out on the 330% rise that we had this year?!!

there is only a small chance price of bitcoin will not reach the ATH before the halving
but if it will not happen before the halving im sure it will still reach the ATH in the year or next year after the halving
mining is one of the reasons many people get attracted to bitcoin
if some of the miners give up because it's not profitable I think there will be more new miners that will take their spot.

This will not really a problem at all, it will depend on us how we prepare ourselves for this, if we have been be very careful what we are doing then for sure that we are aware what are the consequence, if ever we many not reach the new ATH means the hype is over and the market is going strong not just a pure manipulation by whales.

These are the same concerns that people have every few years with bitcoin. At the end of the day, just give it time. The odds are in favour that a new ATH will be reached within 2 to 3 years. The halving combined with the increased demand, and fomo of new users will mean the price will go up, overshoot its realistic price, and turn into a bubble and reach a new ATH.

At the moment, a news story can have the effect of the price jumping overnight....people are easily influenced. Just like before, when the price starts going up fast, there are more and more news stories about it. Everyone starts getting excited and fomo buy in, and the bubble starts to build up speed. It becomes a mania, and the price goes up 'too fast', and that means more news, and more buyers etc. until the bubble bursts.

Just make sure that you have your limit orders set with trailing stop, so that you can ride the price up, and sell near the top. My 'guestimate' is that the price will pump to around $150k before dumping down to around $45k where it will range again for the next couple of years before the next cycle.

hahaha, i doubt this strongly. The price of bitcoin will certainly reach an all time high again but i think it would only come when many governments start to approve of it. This would certainly increase its use within the world and its price in the long run. This would certainly not happen soon so holders should have patience and stay strong.

If everyone is fearing about bitcoin never reaches ATH at this time, for me, as long as its all time low is not getting lower than ever then the market is in a good condition. We always hope for the good market price, to be exact, a sudden increase in price which we are calling the bull run, but as long as we are convincing people to adopt to cryptocurrency, we don't have to fear anything. The market price development might be slow, but it would be for sure make the all time low higher each year. With this, I probably advise to hodl for a long term.

your account was created since 2014, where the price of bitcoin fell at that time, you might have seen the impossible happen to bitcoin in 2017, many speculative prediction analyzes say that bitcoin will not reach the new ATH will not possibly touch above $ 1000 at that time around 2014 - 2015, but finally all of that can be broken, people say about the futures market is always a reference that makes it difficult to reach the new ATH bitcoin price after halving, where people also once hoped Bakkt would make the price of bitcoin better but it turns out the opposite, so do you say the futures market will make it difficult for bitcoin prices to rise to reach the new ATH

my goal is to say this is to let people focus on history and not hear anything about speculation and analysis from news sites, to be honest they made the news just to make money not to provide information for you here, so I hope you understand about it, I still focus on history so that I am more inclined to analyze with charts and see a little about the economy out there, not just analyzing focusing on the development of bitcoin and crypto, I am just waiting for some economic problems in 2020 and if that happens we will see about the price of bitcoin, it can't predicted by anyone but let's just look

Bitcoin ATH is only a matter of concern for those who have bought bitcoin at ATH. They can get rif of bitcoin if it again reaches ATH. If I buy bitcoin at current price of 7300$ then my only wish will be that bitcoin go up to 10k $ so I may get good profit. I was not the one who bought during ATH season and I am not looking for ATH price.

In even such dire consequences, the bitcoin would survive. It would led to some loses to miners and long time holders but the market would sustain itself. As the number of miner decrease, so would the difficulty and as the prices remain the same or low, it would be more usable as a merchant coin.
But no restrictions or manipulation can always keep the price down. Bitcoin would rise to a new ATH in 2020.

I appreciate the spirit of Bitcoin holders they are still waiting for a good result with full of patience and confidence but only holding Bitcoin is not a good idea in my opinion they should understand the market situation and use at least half of the amount in trading so it will be a good use. Anyway it's hard to estimate when we can expect the next ATH of Bitcoin because we know that some governments are creating barrier between the growth of Bitcoin and now some big companies are involving to stop the growth of Bitcoin but I believe we will see some positive results in near future.

Bitcoin never set a new ATH is a real possibility but the bigger chance stands with bitcoin creating and setting a new ATH maybe not this year nor next year but I'm sure in the future year's bitcoin will reach a new ATH. The regulation indeed affected the price I think, some actions became limited by that time. We the holders should trust in bitcoin, just like what they say trust the process.

There is a chance that it will also happen next year but not sure it will depend on the market move before the year end by 2020. Since halving is coming it will help the price of bitcoin to increase but to be able to make ATH its need more people to addopt bitcoins.

the blockchain is probably more secure than it needs to be, regarding hash rate. miners are in an arms race to accumulate bitcoins right now. in the future, hash rate will probably be more closely correlated to (block rewards x price).

an eventual plateauing and orderly decline in hash rate is fine to an extent. we just don't want to see hash rate plunge.


life will go on. the price was never guaranteed to keep rising forever.....

I think that will not be a problem if bitcoin never reaches a new ATH, we still have many times to wait for the price to increase. Even if the price is turn around at $7000-$10k, people will accept the situations because they cannot push the price increase higher. But I am sure that many people are waiting for bitcoin to reach the new ATH because bitcoin halving will happen in the next years. So they are prepared from now by buying bitcoin at a price now.

It's a given situation and speculation and is part of everyone's what if. But being in the bitcoin space for a few years, I'm not trying to push myself into this negativity because as what the chart says, there's a big tendency that we won't stay at the current prices. Satoshi has given an opinion about a win or lose situation for bitcoin within the next years and it's on us how we'll rely on the changing pattern of the market cycle. It's okay if we'll never see a new all time high as long as we stay at the current price is good for me, I just don't know with others. If price can't sustain the miners, I think there will be some alternative for them or there will be an entry for new miners. I don't know the tech terms with it because I'm not a miner but it is probably something like that.

This previous months bitcoin came into a recession forcing it to go down to the lower levels it even hit the $4000 price range. The point is, when you buy BTC when it fluctuates and even manage to get a cheap price due to patience. It doesn't matter even BTC doesn't reach new ATH just by buying and selling for example $7000-$10000 it could still be profitable.

There’s no assurance for everything, anything can happen and we have to accept that bitcoin is still unstable and can’t be consider as a legal currency right now. If bitcoin can’t make it, some coin should make it and cryptocurrency will stay if you only believe on that. I still believe on the impossible things, bitcoin will make it in time.

Well, I haven't seen Bitcoin price drop to 4000$ last month, Bitcoin has been stable at 7000$ in recent months and this is a good signal for us to see a new growth in 2020.
And if Bitcoin never achieves ATH then I think investors who bought BTC at 15k-20k will have to cut losses and reinvest from the beginning or they may leave the market forever after cutting losses. Those are just my predictions, but I firmly believe that Bitcoin will surpass ATH in the future, it's just a matter of time and we need to be patient.

I think the real holders will not be bothered about an all time high as long as Bitcoin is above a certain level. Real supporters are always trying to implement the crypto into the real uses and make world a better place.

I think Bitcoin would soon reach another ATH and this might be at the time of another bitcoin halving this is because the idea of halving was put through by Satoshi to keep inflation in check,the law of supply and demand as economic theory that explains how supply and demand are related to each other and how that relationship affects price. It's a fundamental economic principle that when supply exceeds demand, prices fall. When demand exceeds supply, prices tend to rise.

It does not need any government at all given its decentralization system. It already reached an ATH, a massive ATH way back in 2017 without any prior notice from any government so it would probably be at it again. If this happens then most probably it will beat its own ATH ($20000+) perhaps that will be another key to open great doors of reality not only with the government.

Confidence will take time to return. after the 2014 crash, it took over 1 year to reach the bottom, and another 2 years to get back to the ATH. once that milestone was passed, things went into overdrive and BTC went from $1,000 to $19,500 in less than a year. Nobody knows what will happen but this looks to be just part of the boom bust cycles bitcoin has been experiencing since the beginning. you should have seen the insights and rhetoric thrown around when bitcoin dropped from $1,200 to $180. Not everyone is an investor with short time horizons that trade emotionally.

Interesting topic, first of all we have seen both 10k and 14k in 2019, that tells me that the price has come up alot since we saw 3k and there is still interest.

Depending what you describe as ”mainstream” but i don’t think 2017 was mainstream, for me mainstream is when Bitcoin/Cryptocurrencies is alot more known and used. Today we don’t have that and can’t see it either, partly because we can’t send transactions fast enough.

One very big problem in 2017 was slow transaction speeds and high fees, if you reed around the internet you see alot of threads/discussions talking about this problem. Today it’s probably a bit faster but not that much, this would mean that 20k today with the same ”bullrun” would cause the same problem, so you could argue that we can’t see 20k today because we haven’t fixed the problem we had 2017.

Another big problem was exchanges, in 2017 the exchanges couldn’t handle the traffic, this became a big problem, today we have stronger exchanges with alot better servers and staff, however the transaction speed and cost is still a problem. We also have alot of problems with exchanges get hacked, Decentralized exchanges is also something we need.

Can we see a new ATH? Yes, but probably not today and if we would see a new ATH anytime soon there is a big chance we see a crash as well, however with the upcoming halving no one knows where the price can go.

I think we nee to see a good scaling solution, maybe Lightning Network, which by the way have made big improvments this year. We have also seen alot of companies beginning to research blockchain and we have much more interest in the blockchain today compared to just a few years ago. I could say we have made alot of ATH in blockchain space but not in ”price”

2017 was a interesting year but also a very dangerous time, alot of new people entered crypto with the minset ”buy now before it is too late” when in fact it was already too late to invest. Now alot of peolpe are just waiting to get out. Crypto is not always a ”price” but have usecases.

Just my thoughts.

Why would they lose their investment just because Bitcoin cannot reach a new ATH? As long as your investment gains, then it's not a loss. Right now it's hard to see that we can reach new ATH but we never know in the future, after years. And since it seems so hard for Bitcoin to reach it with the current situation, we don't have to aim for ATH. Maybe at least a big pump will do.

Bitcoin investors now are smart and i think bitcoin price will be more volitle because when bitcoin dump many people will sell immideiatly and they will wait for more dip to buy again then they will wait to price increase. 

And i think bitcoin price after bitcoin halving will not reach All time high , because many investors will sell immideiatly to secure profits.

See, you trade on probability and in trading every outcome is possible. So, yes there is a possibility that Bitcoin never beats its ATH of 19.5k. if you are only looking for that number to trade, you should probably get out of crypto right now.
But that is not the case, right? You can always swing trade with whatever price. You can always take up the opportunity of the high crypto volatility. Price reaching the ATH back again or not shouldn't be the concern at all.

I believe the price of bitcoin will skyrocket next year just before or after the bitcoin halving. As the price begins to go up, people will run to quickly buy, this includes companies who don't want to miss out on the gain. I am as a believer of bitcoin.

Bitcoin is still in the early stages, even though some think 10 years is a long time, which is true if we look only from the perspective of the duration of human life. But your thinking just showing that most people see BTC only as an investment, and they are in a panic when price is not going up. I would like to see a much bigger price in the next 5-10 years, but if this does not happen it won't be the end.

People will lose their money only if price is go down, but they always have a choice to sell today or any time they want. No one is saying that investing in BTC is not a risk, quite the opposite. Only invest what you are prepared to lose, so there will not be losses and disappointments in the long run.

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No doubt 2017 bull run is caused very big problem with transaction cost and slow confirmation, but part of problem was also in big spam from BCH which aimed to show how their BTC is better/faster/cheaper than original. It is also fact that we did not have SegWit then, and most exchanges did not use batch transaction. But I hope exchanges learn something from that time, especially with regard to better infrastructure.

The next bull run will show how much progress we have made since 2017, but there is no doubt that we are in a much better situation than two years ago, and that there is still time for improvement.

Halving has become a last hope for many but it's not wise to be dependent on halving alone as recently Stellar XLM burned half of its unused tokens to push the value of XLM but we could hardly see around 10% pump and then dropped down again. We need to look for alternative rather than completely hoping on halving.

In my own opinion, if bitcoin does not reaches the new ATH, a lot of people would be disappointed that no one would keep their patience any longer to hold their bitcoin for more years because they are expecting that they would get a good profit from it. But we can't really if bitcoin will reach or will not reach the new ATH, that is why we should keep our patience for bitcoin to increase it's price even more in the near future.

They will just get disappointed but for sure they will still continue to support Bitcoin and cryptocurrency as we cannot stop the disruption of crypto in the world as we are all aware that technology is evolving and innovating so we cannot stop it anymore, so if we stop to support it, others will and for sure they will benefit of it, so we should support no matter what.

If the prices will remain the same or further decrease once the halvening takes place I do expect that a lot of miners to plug off their equipment. But that isn't a problem, because the difficulty will readjust itself as the algorithm is designed this way. So the miners will get a bigger part of the 'pie' with the same hashing power, but in order for the difficulty to drop so much that the remaining miners would mine double the Bitcoins with the same power just to remain above b/e level - a major player in the market would have to pull the plug on its rigs which I think is highly improbable as they usually have a lot of financial resources to sustain mining at a loss for a long time.

You might not know this but the supply of bitcoin is actually reducing since more and more people are losing the keys to wallets and some people have even died and their bitcoin wealth are lost forever and would likely never be recovered, more and more people want a piece of bitcoin and there is just not enough to go around with Billions of people in the world and just less than 18 million bitcoin in circulation, it's inevitable that the price of Bitcoin would rise unless something goes absolutely wrong.

I think buying bitcoin just because of halving is a bad invest option. Halving may not have effect to bitcoin price and betting to buy might make investors take lots of risk. For me, i invest into bitcoin just because i believe crypto will be the key to future and bitcoin may be the leader.  ;)

You are only seeing how world events could negatively affect bitcoin but you are not seeing how world events could help bitcoin to get adopted and to reach a new all time high, and one of the best examples of this is Venezuela, Venezuela is a country in a deep economic crisis caused by its government and its policies and in that country people are trying to do their best to get a good currency like the dollar, the euro and some cryptocurrencies, if this happened through the whole world we will see the same that it is happening in Venezuela and that will help bitcoin in a huge way.

Definitely it will, it might take a while, but it will get there.
 Btc has come a long way and the journey has not been very smooth, but one thing is certain, it always triumphs

No new ATH would mean not much further evolving of Bitcoin - as technology and as acceptance/use too. It would mean Bitcoin dying. It would make the miners leave. It would be bad.
But I don't think that this can realistically happen.

Also, how many years means "never"?!  ;)

It's a very good question and complicated to answer

I'm prepared if BTC never reaches again the same levels of 20k USD again, but I don't know other people

You don't have to worry about miners, because miners are making a lot of money, even with these prices os sub 8k, the main problem is, people have to be optmistic to buy, believing in a potential rise, if people stop to belive that BTC can reach a higher value, we'll have problems to sustain prices

How can regulations kill the bullishness? Stock markets are much more regulated than Bitcoin, and big tech giants like Facebook and Apple are almost always at their ATH because they keep growing and growing. If it were like you say and the whales could no longer manipulate the market, it would be a good signal to investors and the price would grow in long term and eventually reach a new ATH.


Those things have zero long-term impact on Bitcoin's price, and even in short term they are barely noticeable.

For me it is not possible, bitcoin will surpass its previous all time high but it will take time. But if the bitcoin will not achieve the new all time high then it means that the demand is gradually decreasing and the buyers are overwhelmed by buyers. As time passing by technology become more advanced and we humans need improvement and for sure that there are many people who wants to adopt bitcoin.

I will ruled out other factors because it's too complicated but in my view if bitcoin never reach new ATH again i think eventually bitcoin will lost the investors because it's became an common reasons if every bitcoin bag holders want to take profit from bitcoin and every from them will expect their bitcoin more valuable than the previous one so if bitcoin never reach new ATH anymore then investors will lost their confidence to invest at bitcoin and possibly they will attempts to find new alternative investment tools as the replacement of bitcoin

It’s sad to think that there is a possibility where you cannot reach the ATH.

There is always a possibility where you could reach ATH because

• People are using it more often
• It is accepted worldwide

There is always a possibility where you could NOT reach ATH

• People lost interest and have disbelief in Cryptocurrencies
• Not completely accepted everywhere

I think that’s what we are here for, to promote the use of it and maybe, it could have a ripple effect on people that it’s not a negative thing to use Bitcoin but an improvement on ways we transact. There are a lot of factors to consider, but there’s no 100% correct prediction on what the future would be unless you are a real time traveler.

yes maybe bitcoin will not reach the new ATH even though bitcoin has been reduced by half in may 2020. because the current crypto market conditions are different from the past. we have to accept it, but I am sure there will be true bitcoin holders who will keep holding even though bitcoin is not bull run in 2020. We must not despair because the amount of bitcoin available in the future will be increasingly low. in theory if bitcoin is getting less while demand is constant or increased then the price in the future will increase. we must be patient again.

it is really alarming having this thoughts because the most affected parties for sure are Miners,but we are getting close to mined all bitcoins so it means for the next year bitcoin will conitue to grow even without halving,and besides even if they stopped mining?we have enough volume of bitcoin to be used so the chance of bullying is always there.though the effect will punish some,but reward many..
that's it,Bitcoin is always triumphant and we have seen this many years now,though from 2018 to 2019 becomes bearish doesn't mean we will stay this way,remember that Halving is soon to come so the waiting might be over next year.

it is because of lots of FUD that has convinced most people that regulations are ALWAYS bad so now they are scared whenever they hear the word "regulation". otherwise regulations could be both good and bad. sometimes (on rare cases) they could slow down the adoption such as ridiculous license for businesses, high taxes,... and some times (in most cases) they help the adoption. for example in 2017 Japan regulated bitcoin and price went from $1000 to $20,000

You do not need to say on a fixed investment at bitcoin....
That's the easy part to answer it. Just for for a diversified portfolio with other cryptocurrencies if that is your issue (afraid of).

Bitcoin will always reach new All Time Highs in the future. We can only speculate and estimate it when based on news feedback.

Or you can simply gamble with it and win profit without trading it.

of course we have to accept it sincerely if bitcoin cannot reach the new ATH. and maybe we have to be patient a little longer until bitcoin can reach the price of another $ 20,000. but if we look at halving day bitcoin before, bitcoin will always increase after halving. because the number of blocks being mined decreases but this constant or increasing demand will make the price of bitcoin increase.

Looking back and the benefits of halving if the same thing happened like before there's relationship with increasing the value of Bitcoin. We have to be patient and aim for benefitable position before taking any action. The market will bring good outcome to those who are willing to take the risk and have a good faith with this industry.

this is the advantage of being Holder mate,we can adjust to the market as we dont care what is the price for specific date as we have our own time frame and even if this not come sooner?still we can afford to extend the waiting because we use to be like that.so for me?even if the bear stays for another year?i will just take the opportunity to buy than to sell.

Indeed, even bitcoin never reach its new ath, we can just wait a little longer and wait for the market to increase its price. Months or years, there is no problem with that, as long as we have our expectation, bitcoin will never fail to meet that expectation.

Well the thing is , it's not important for bitcoins to reach the new or even the old ATH , what important is that it actually gets adopted by all the countries as a whole , what I know is even though the bitcoins is facing a backlash still at the same time it is able to get the job done , some countries are still making it legal and take an example of Ukraine , it's now legal here.
Even if the price stays right here and the adoption increases it will benefit the market in a very good way and eventually the price will rise.

Bitcoin is about to reach 80% dominance, crashing shitcoins to zero and still we watch and care about youtube shills that offer nothing to the community.
This is what needs to be fixed.

Any new person while searching for Bitcoin he finds videos shilling Cardano, XRP and other vaporware. Until he finds Andreas Antonopoulos videos it is too late and he already bought at the top price the next Binance chinese shitcoin. He listens to ridiculous conversations about how XRP will reach 589 dollars and how Cardano vaporware is better from EOS nonsense. Anyone wanting to buy Bitcoin ends up buying what shitcoiner youtubers promote. That's why I'd be totally happy if youtube bans them. They don't help Bitcoin and only care about pocketing the marketing funds from shitcoins.

All these youtubers don't inspire anyone either, as it is obvious that they have a fake interest in crypto and most of the times they just want to finish the daily routine and pocket the money.

There are a few that care more about Bitcoin but they feel that they need to shill a few alts because their audience is asking.
I hope they clearly understand that their audiences mostly don't care about these shitcoins and these people asking opinions and commenting about alts are usually the devs of these shitcoins.
I have stopped watching youtube since an interview of Charles Hawskinson with Ivan on Tech, this June I think. I was disgusted with what I saw.
Price of Cardano was at 0,10cents at that point. It was an obvious attempt to dump at a high price and they marketed this very cleverly.
Where is shitcoin Cardano now? 70% down at 0,03$ . Best way to treat your audience Ivan on Tech, promote this shitcoin and make them lose all their money.

Once it’s adopted then for sure the price will increase, it may not reach a new ATH but if adoption happens it can effect the price for good and hopefully reach a new set of record of ATH, even it’s not necessary It’s good to think that it still able to do it even there are countries who didn’t implement btc now it’s good to let them know that even without them BTC is able to create new ATH.

I would not agree that that BTC ETF, if one day be approved by the SEC, will have no effect on price. Most agree that it will have a very big impact on price, but that in the long run it will cause big problems. Futures and forks are already known facts that affect the market in the short term, but they quickly fall into oblivion.

One good post written by our admin theymos in response to Andreas Antonopolous :



Fix it in what way? The only way is to completely ban everything related to crypto on YT, but it's not a good solution. I agree that most of these videos just mislead viewers, but still, everyone should try to understand how today's marketing works, not just on YT, but on all other media. Everyone has to choose when investing their money, every coin has its risks, and so does BTC. Far greater security is when investing in BTC, because there is some sense and purpose behind this project, but if one wants to invest in Cardano or ETH, let them learn from their mistakes.

In my own opinion, if bitcoin never reaches the new ATH next year or in the future. I think a lot of people would really stop holding bitcoin because most of them are expecting that bitcoin would have a new ATH. But for sure bitcoin will reach the new ATH because there are a lot of people who haven't use bitcoin, so bitcoin would increased it's price much higher than we expect.

Uhmm not necessarily, there's many reasons why bitcoin might not potentially climb back up to the new ath, ever. First of all, potential bugs in the code, like the inflation bugs that happened twice already. This can lead to people not trusting bitcoin and selling it off. Moreover, if most governments banned it, it would lead to a massive sell off and the crash in price. Then miners capitulating and selling off the btc for other crypto mining. The problem is that people take everything in bitcoin for granted, the fact that we made all time highs every three years, doesn't mean it has to happen again.

No thats not will be a reason for stop holding bitcoin, if you are holding bitcoin just for profit then you are just investing just to earn  money and not for the technology behind it. There is something wrong with this idea people buy bitcoin not only for profit but because its usable as currency and you can easily send money any where and any time without the need of 3rd party.

Well, we can't force anyone to use bitcoin to be a currency. I did force someone to take bitcoin as payment but he doesn't want it. It is not the reason that it is a scam but with its volatility, he is avoiding that it might fall down and will lose his profit from what I've bought. It is usable as a currency but does all of the people think like that?

i dont know if ATH is must for people to sustain their investment in bitcoin, there were lots of holders in the market are just only spectating in the market and there were no eagerness for the ATH because for me as long as the price are moving there is no reason for someone to panic.

Confidence will surely lost specially if hodlers do wait up for too long or shall we say it take up for more years.Nothing is certain on any investment even though we do see the potential of crypto specially with Bitcoin.

What if it never reaches new ATH? We would stay on low levels but it would be good if its price is somewhat had some strong foundation which cant be easily be dumped nor manipulated but well
this thing i do ask is somewhat impossible.

If bitcoin will not reach its ATH, many people will be disappointed specially those who are supporters of bitcoin. But it will never happen, bitcoin halving will trigger the price of bitcoin. And probably, it will be the sign for bitcoin to surpass its ath. It is the awaited news of the people around cryptocurrency.

For quite some time the bitcoin is just moving in a short price point that's why people are not that panicking. It does not matter if bitcoin does not move in a higher price point, as long as people sees an opportunity to have a decent profit that may be the time we will see a more volatile market. The price of bitcoin, though it is not above its ath, the time it will be at higher than it is now, that is the time we will see a more propagating market that is for sure.

People aren't in a panic selling now that's why bitcoin is quite stable for a week without the fud and dramas it really helps the market to stay like this. If people already know how to play with the market's movement then i really think they did learn their mistake from the past. Bitcoin halving will bring and give us a new ATH when it comes.

if people already understand market movements and also good investment methods, bad news will not be able to influence it, but maybe more to new people who are still encouraged by the news, but if the numbers are small then the market will not be affected.

Beware, Bitcoin halving may be overrated. It clearly has to have a rising effect on the price, but there's a good chance that rise is already in the current price. Don't forget that we are at more than double of this year's low!
Of course, Bitcoin can still rise a lot - with or without this halving.

Anything is possible - it's a crypto, but I think that every year the crypto will develop and therefore over the years Bitcoin will grow and reach the previous ATH.

If Bitcoin never gets back to $20,000 then it could be considered a failure. Since it is designed to be deflationary, it should always gain value compared to fiat. If it doesn’t do that then it’s not really holding value.

I have to say this:  you know it's a great time to be buying bitcoin when threads like this start getting made.  There are no doubt lots of people who've lost faith in bitcoin as an investment after watching it drop from $20k in 2017 and then from $13k this year.  They probably think bitcoin is never going to see any substantial price action again, and they're losing hope.

So I say again, buy when others are fearful.  That's probably some of the best advice I've heard about trading, and I don't think the general mood of the crypto market could be more fearful right now. 

Don't lose hope that bitcoin will get to another ATH, because it will.  I don't know if that's going to happen next year, the year after, or what, but it's going to happen eventually.  Just like I kick myself that I didn't save all the bitcoin I had from 2015, I don't want to be kicking myself down the road for having gotten rid of the bitcoin I had in 2019.  If I had more money at my disposal I'd be sinking most of it into bitcoin right now.

allways there will be a ATH. because people wants to see this. everybody waiting, expecting a new ATH. in time its gonna be happen. today tomorrow or next year. its a cycle. yes there will be a new ATH. but important question is "when".

What I meant to say is that we gave them undeserved attention and support as a community after they got banned. We shouldn't even bother with most of them for the reasons I stated in the original comment. I don't mean we should take action against them.

You have said it all "patience is a virtue ". Before making any investment decision,  you should make proper enquiries that will help to engender trust.
In cryptocurrency investment, you loose money without blaming anyone about your investment decision.
Let's not talk about media speculation,  what is your personal analysis that made you believe in Bitcoin?

The Bitcoin price may rise to the highest level again. A new ATH might come. Or not. But the price was very playful. Bitcoin still offers many earning opportunities. Surfing in the waves is very difficult. Buying only bitcoin does not save you money. You need to make the purchase from the right spot.

I'll still be happy if it never happens of course as long as it doesn't lose value and go down to 3000 because I treat it as a store of value.
 
I'd be happy if it gained a few hundred USD per year and take the next 5+ years to reach 20 thousand again. It's still a much better rate than banks offer and much safer than storing fiat money under your bed.

If it is true that the price of bitcoin never reaches a new ATH, all we can do is hold bitcoin until the price reaches ATH or even exceeds ATH.
Because in my opinion bitcoin is now too strong to fail, that means sooner or later the price of bitcoin is definitely reach back to the ATH price.
Just the time that we all don't know yet, can happen in 2020 or the following year. Surely I'm very optimistic that bitcoin will reach ATH.

As you have rightly said, patience is the key here, nevertheless, Bitcoin will surely reach another all-time here in the future when we have a well-regulated environment. Institutional money will flow in which will bring more confidence to traders and investors. The future of digital currency is bright in my own opinion.

If Bitcoin has never reached new ATH, then it has become part of the crypto market destiny. But I think it is still a mystery when and when BTC can achieve new ATH since the end of 2017. Therefore I don't want to speculate about the price of Bitcoin.

Let us not underestimate bitcoin. It could still reach new ath in the future. But if not, then let's just accept it and be prepared for it. It is not like, not having a new ath is the ending of bitcoin. Bitcoin will still continue for a long time and there's always a possibility of it achieving new ath. We just need to be patient in waiting.

I believe that Bitcoin is able to reach its new ATH, especially if later all countries want to accept Bitcoin so the demand for Bitcoin will increase and of course it will make the price of Bitcoin rise dramatically. But some people are waiting after the Halving moment, many believe that after that the Bitcoin price will Pump.

People were saying the same when Bitcoin was under $1k and same question is being raised now. Why to wait for ATH always. If you can trade properly, then you can take profits in short term too.
Right now, there's a lot of fuss around the halving. People are skeptical about the price rise which is didn't happen would make mining Bitcoin expensive. This can make many miners leave which in turn can cause network congestion.
Right now, Bitcoin actually would have to breach the ATH for it to be sustainable.

I also think that but I am thinking that it would not be easy to reach another pump like before because it is different year from 2017. I don't expect much from this upcoming year 2020 and just wait and hold much more bitcoin until the time comes to avoid regrets.

if bitcoin cannot reach the new ATH then i will take advantage of the small movements of bitcoin to get profits, but maybe the best way is to save bitcoin for investment purposes because i am still sure that bitcoin will continue to grow and maybe the peak is the legality of the countries that are currently still haven't done legality on bitcoin

These happen all the time, people always says about bitcoin cannot reach new ath. If we truly understand bitcoin surely people at first have their beliefs in bitcoin stands in the market. Once you invest in bitcoin you have a goal when to earn a profit. If it will not reach new ath I will still makes ways to earned profit.

if that happens, why are you sure that investment and bitcoin will grow, while bitcoin cannot reach the new ATH. when we are optimistic in the long term we should be sure that its value will continue to grow and be able to make a new ATH. what's interesting if bitcoin is stagnant? so far we have been looking for profits from very high fluctuations. but I'm sure bitcoin can reach new ATH, nobody knows about it, let's wait for 2 years to come.

There are many crypto traders who are riding with the waves earning profits with opportunities by shorting or longing at the right spots as you rightly said there are other opportunities to earn good pay with bitcoin if properly utilized, so if new ATH did not come in as much as some people are making profits consistently with bitcoin those categories of people would not bother about a new ATH.

No matter how much bitter it sounds, my take is that the users need to seriously think about a scenario in which the Bitcoin exchange rates remain at the current level for an extended period. A lot of the users still live on dreamland far away from reality, and they think that what happened in 2013 and 2017 is going to repeat again and again. What they fail to remember is the fact that the exchange rates went down by 80% in 2014-16, and again another 85% during 2018.

With a great deal of negativity suddenly within the crypto sector following elevated regulatory concerns surrounding The rest, Facebook Libra, and Bitcoin of the asset type, the sell pressure and also fear has made altcoins to capitulate as well as Bitcoin to start crashing.

Altcoins aren't just dropping to brand new lows in USD worth, but their BTC proportions are at extreme lows. So small, that it in case these ratios were maintained all of the right way to the top of the following Bitcoin bull run, really $100K BTC would not let most altcoins achieve a new all time high in USD value

If Altcoins Maintain BTC Ratio, $100K Bitcoin Will not Drive them to New ATH At the beginning of 2019, altcoins had outperformed Bitcoin, with numerous doubling in worth in USD and in BTC ratio. Litecoin is a pathetic illustration of this, and also it ceased the rally of its following a 600 % increase.

But since April, the once correlated altcoins diverged from Bitcoin substantially, and have since gone on to attain new lows. Investors are capitulating, along with a lot of it's being pushed by fears of approaching regulation, that has caused a big part of the marketplace to be cut off from Binance, the top crypto exchange.

Nevertheless, the majority of crypto investors are keeping out hope for the promise of an "alt season" - a time at what selling in the asset type is completely exhausted, and the lower liquidity coupled with FOMO drives up the cost of every altcoin substantially quickly. Such an occurrence brought numerous ridiculous return shipping at the level of the Bitcoin bull run.

Anyone late to alt season got left trapped holding several expensive bags. Expensive bags that may not again return to the previous all-time high of theirs.loadmore.... (https://www.avihomeopathy.com)

Only a few people wanted a true change for the world specially in the financial sector. For myself, I never viewed Bitcoin as an investment but rather a change or a replacement for Fiat money. Look, if majority of the people all around the world trust Bitcoin as daily mode for payments, that would be revolutionary. Remember 1 BTC is divisible. One that has stack the most has a lot. If fiat is gone (and i know eventually is), and say, you have 0.10000000 sats you would be a millionaire with 10 million sats. The one who stacks late, the one will be poor, in a world that is governed by bitcoin financial system.

The way you address your topic is that you are still a 'BIG FAN' of the current FIAT system. Of course, you can have what you want in the current system maybe because you're too young (can't blame you for that) and I am 55 years old and still stacking satoshis for the future of my children.

Look, my children, i educate them with crypto specially BTC but all fall on deaf ears. I recently just discovered BTC way back in 2018 of december. When i am looking how to preserve wealth in the future and i really do not believe in gold as it is not portable and many people will hunt you if they knew you have one. That's when bitcoin gave a solution. I looked at the white paper and educate myself in it. And said to myself that, this Bitcoin thing will be revolutionary!

Feel free to give some as I happen to inspire you on what the future holds for Bitcoin and it's religious Hodlers!

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Thanks and may be a prosperous year 2020 for us all, specially, the Bitcoin Hodlers! Be safe!

I think there is no need to wait for a new ATH if you want to profit enough with just a few percent increase it makes you more for, in my opinion if bitcoin reach ATH then it can affect other prices so that the ATH is needed, but for short-term profits there is no need for a new ATH you just analyze daily or weekly that is enough.

I think it's unthinkable to assume that Bitcoin won't have a new ATH given the prevailing situations in the crypto industry that point to that. I think there are lots of pluses for Bitcoin come 2020. There is even the halving happening next year in addition to what we should expect in 2020. I listened to Christine Lagarde (President of ECB) on cryptocurrency and that gladdened my heart of greater things to come for the industry. Here is the link https://youtu.be/chHnk6lSc5A

In the future there will be more countries that accept blockchain, but I do not dare to claim that they will accept bitcoins in their country. Perhaps they will create many coins for their country and prevent the development of bitcoin and other altcoins. No one can predict the future, but if things happen like I fear then maybe bitcoin will never reach ATH again.

Bitcoin always has issues like "WHAT IF"
people relax don't create bitcoin stress yourself, price is always different and you never know and come to terms with it.
Never think that the current price is finite, it's just a fake.

If you have high trust in bitcoin, there won't be questions like this.
How many times has bitcoin fallen and been seriously injured, ??
Bitcoin can always rise and penetrate what it has accomplished, be patient with no limits that is what I believe from bitcoin.

You can't tell that for sure. And for all we know, 20k would really be the all time high for btc. And a lot of people will be disappointed. I'm optimistic about bitcoin's future and i'm also rooting for it to break all time high. But if you're holding for the long term, the longer you hold, the more you realize that it's not all about the fiat value. I'll be contented if btc is utilized more and people would realize it's real use. Value would automatically come then.

It all just pass by, may we are down today or tomorrow but we are still hoping that it will change in the coming days. The question is how do people will change their mindset and accept reality. Cause for me, it doesn't matter if we reach for another ATH or not, the most important is we still enjoy its purpose and Bitcoin still exists.

I can agree with your opinion, I do not personally follow any YT channel related to crypto, because most only promote nonsense and their referral links. I'm not going to say that there aren't some good things to look at YT, but more good information can be found in this forum. I guess it's just a presentation that draws people to watch endlessly stupid analysis and speculation, which is, after all, a waste of time.

It all comes down to everyone individually, and I have already said that everyone is the master of their own destiny and time. Who are we to tell people what to do on the internet, let them watch what they want if it gives them pleasure. I understand you and your thinking, but the fact is that there are a lot of people who believe in fairy tales, and there are those who present these fairy tales very well.

I think it's okay to think so. better prepare for the worst than keep hoping. so, even though we are indeed focused on gathering assets for high prices, but for one thing, we also need to prepare for the worst. Bitcoin ATH is so high, even more than 100% of the current price, so there is potential that makes the price of bitcoin cannot reach its ATH, even though I myself am so optimistic about the price increase that will occur but doesn't be so hopeful about the new ATH.

In the past, institutional money was lower than today, governments didn't care much about bitcoin, and scammers were too few, and as a result scam cases weren't as too high as they are today. with the entry of governments and investors In institutional, this market will not be like in the past where there were large price pumps and there was great optimism. I agree with the thought that we have to take advantage of small price increases and small price drops.

The fundamentals are very good for this. The number of new coins being minted is now very small, and every day a new investor or two comes into the market with the intent to buy and hold forever. As a function of this, the number of "shares" (coins) available for public trading gets lower and lower which, over time, will drive the price higher and higher. Those who use BTC for commerce don't really care, since the price movement during the time they hold and use the coins is negligible, and BTC is almost infinitely divisible, but it's wonderful for long term buy and hodl investors.

Everyone is do believe in bitcoin and still investing. the price of bitcoin will never vanish because bitcoin is the only one investment that any of us will earn too much money, unlike gold that still in stable price. if we didn't reach to new ATH them it is not a big deal, we can aim it in other years if we practice patient always. it will happen again if everyone recognize bitcoin. 

if bitcoin cannot reach the new ATH then we must be more patient, of course, and must find other ways to earn. but I am not sure bitcoin cannot reach the new ATH, because of the price development I am sure bitcoin will be able to achieve this and it is only a matter of time.

Even if bitcoin does not reach all time high again, i will not be disappointed because i have already made a lot of profits from the trading. Also if you compare all the bitcoins and altcoins, you will see that bitcoin is the only major digital currency and no altcoins didn't even came close to bitcoins. So there is major chance that bitcoin will cross its all time high again sooner.

Very unlikely. I don't think the current ATH is crazy or unreachable. BTC has at least twice reached almost $14K this year, which is about 70% of the ATH. I expect the next halving to fuel the major rally breaking new ATH in the coming years. But even if the worst happens, people should know that investing in crypto is very risky.

BTC already proves itself for how many times. I do agree with you that it shows us how it is easy to achieved $14k, new ATH will be a piece of cake, maybe not today or right after the halving, it may take more months but at least, new ATH will come for sure.

The beauty of bitcoin is that it never settles at one stable price, it’s always moving in up or down position. Always buy when it is at its All Time Low of current month or year. Even if bitcoin never reaches its ATH, we still have opportunities to buy bitcoin when it is low and sell when it is high. Bitcoin never reaches ATH in 2019, but we still have some good opportunities to buy and sell in profit.

We never need the ATH each year if we know how the market is doing. What we just need to do to have profit in bitcoin is to be aware of the market trend and to make each of our trade effective by hitting the right moment to gain profit. As far as I know, we have altcoins to help us earn better. We need not to lock ourselves with bitcoin if we know that bitcoin isn't profitable at the moment. We could always consider those that are showing potential market increase event in long term or short term.

Bitcoin will do ATH again. What if he doesn't? Nothing happens. It does not matter. If the value of Bitcoin drops one day, perhaps another project will replace it. I don't think that would happen. Next time the king is always bitcoin.

Well, What if is not basically the truth it is just an imagination of things that never happen in reality. However, I think Bitcoin is not about going to New highs it is about adoption price figures are secondary. So, I'm not really going to into what if because I'm thinking in a bigger direction.

Exactly, it may not be this year and the year 2020 but for sure in the coming years once the demand get exploded again and the market is good then for sure that we cannot stop anymore with the price of Bitcoin, so let's not think too much of the price and worrying ourselves as for sure it will happen at the right time.

Damn, I hate to say this but isn't it stressful to lock yourself in Bitcoin? Like you really have to be like attached to it to actually know its movement? :P Well, at some point you are right that we have to wait and hit for the perfect time to gain a profit when Bitcoin is not that stable because it never become stable ever. That high volatility is the evidence already!

$20,000 for Bitcoin is not that big a price, I think the crypto industry will only grow over the years and sooner or later Bitcoin will cost more than $20,000.

The possibility of not reaching the new ATH is always there. I am sure that many people already think the same as you, they should plan for the worse result in the next year. For me, it is no problem if no new ATH but at least there is a significant rise in Bitcoin value. However, it must be a bit problematic if the Bitcoin price never reaches $20,000 as the highest rate in the second halving. Why? Because investors may lose their confidence and trust in investing the Bitcoin longer. They will note there is a serious degradation in Bitcoin investment. The worst thing if they decide to quit massively.     

It's still very big if we look at how fast it went to that. Normal stocks are looking great if they gain 100% a year so Bitcoins thousands in 10 years are just crazy.
I'd be completely fine without a new ATH ever. I'm not here to make a ton of money on this. It would be great to see 1000% gains one day but let's face reality. How often does one find a bag of money lying somewhere? We'd all want it to happen but it does once in a lifetime, if ever.

If it doesn't reach another ATH them we should still be thankful because BTC still exists in our lives until now. It is not easy to survive a decade especially for something that exists virtually and can't even touch it. So far BTC is making a way when it comes to cryptocurrency awareness, it's like a torch-bearer of crypto. I am sure in due time it will reach ATH again more than it did in 2017.

If bitcoin continues to fall, I still believe that no project will be able to replace bitcoin. If you look at statistics in this market, bitcoin dominates the market with nearly 70%, and in this market we have thousands of different altcoins. Therefore, there will not be any projects that can replace Bitcoin in the future. Also Bitcoin will break ATH in the future, the problem is only time.  patiently is the key to the success of investors in this market

Even though you think that $ 20,000 isn't a big price, it seems like it's very big for bitcoin. During this time, bitcoin has only been done once, or never even reached it. despite achieving it, it doesn't take long enough. thinking about this, I think it's very difficult for bitcoin to reach the price of $ 20,000 again even though there is a halving upfront. Well, I'm not spreading FUD, but for now, we really need to see prices realistically. even if there is a pump for bitcoin after halving, I think it requires hard work to reach the price of $ 20,000 and maintain it

At $20,000 per coin, Bitcoin would be having a market capitalization of almost $400 billion. And this figure is more than the market capitalization of many of the giant corporations, such as Boeing and PepsiCo. And if we want Bitcoin to have such a huge market cap, then it needs to put a lot of things in order. First and foremost, there should be clarity on the legality. Even now, the legal status of Bitcoin is not clearly defined in the vast majority of the nations.

I think that number is big enough because the development of bitcoin is good enough for its price, compared to the time to achieve it, I think the development of bitcoin is quite good and the number could have been reached and might be overtaken.

First, I believe that crypto adoption will continue to increase, so I will not believe that bitcoin will not reach its new ATH due to its limited number of supply. the math is very simple with bitcoin, price will increase as the demand increases and one thing that could drive a new ATH is the hype in the market and the whales still has the power to manipulate the price.

good spirit. I also believe that the growth of cryptocurrency can be even higher. although I'm not so sure that the price of bitcoin can easily touch the new ATH, but this year it seems worth thinking about again. as one of my beliefs about this, until now I still continue to collect bitcoin even though we don't know whether bitcoin can touch the new ATH or not.

Yes there is no doubt that bitcoin has huge potential to gain high level demand with time so as according to previous record I am sure this time again bitcoin will give us pleasant change in price that almost all investors will appreciate and will support bitcoin for being the most reliable coin, i hope new ATH will come soon.

I think it's a mistake that BTC only looks through the price. He needs to adapt in creating life. Make it normal to buy something with him. Nobody keeps a dollar or a euro because they think their value will grow

I think that in order for Bitcoin to adapt in everyday life, it needs to be used in everyday life, which is not the case right now, Bitcoin needs to be regulated.

In fact, many people are doing exactly that. Hundreds of millions of people in developing and underdeveloped countries are holding hard currencies, such as USD and EURO, because they are considered good as a store of value. And, indeed, their value is growing in comparison with local currencies. Yes, we need more adoption and utilization for Bitcoin, but there's nothing wrong in holding it as something precious.

Regarding a new ATH, I wish to all of us to see it in 2020.

Really need time for bitcoin to be adapted. Especially with this condition which government really strict about it and others are blocked it. Maybe if superpower country start to support it, the others will follow to support and bitcoin can be legal in a lot of countries.

If bitcoin never crosses its previous ATH then miseries of all those who bought bitcoin at ATH will continue, no else will be affected due to this. Since 2017 we are waiting for ATH of bitcoin but no succes. I am happy I am not the one who bought bitcoin when it was at its ATH. Make it a habit never buy anything when it was at its peak.

If the price of Bitcoin doesn’t reach another ATH price then we are just going to keep making use of it as a method of transaction only, and btw that’s even the purpose Bitcoin was created for, we all know that it was diverted to use as an investment because of its volatile nature, if not it would have been strictly for payment.

Assuming that it becomes a bit stable next year, and bit volatile of course, I would like it that way. But, since we can’t really predict what the future has for us, we are just going to cross our arms and wait for what will happen. I personally believe 2020 will be a different year than what we had in 2018 and 2019. So, let's wait and watch.

We need to keep are hopes high that bitcoin will reach it's new ATH in 2020 or in the future because if bitcoin didn't reach its new ATH a lot of people would really upset and disappointed that they will stop buying bitcoin and they will lose their patience that they will sell it.

If everyone is fearing about bitcoin never reaches ATH at this time, for me, as long as its all time low is not getting lower than ever then the market is in a good condition. We always hope for the good market price, to be exact, a sudden increase in price which we are calling the bull run, but as long as we are convincing people to adopt to cryptocurrency, we don't have to fear anything. The market price development might be slow, but it would be for sure make the all time low higher each year. With this, I probably advise to hodl for a long term.

Nobody knows about this question that is echoing since Dec 2017. Two years passed but bitcoin price went nowhere near to its ATH. This doesn’t mean that ATH is not attainable by bitcoin. Best way to keep moving with bitcoin is to define your own buying and selling strategy. Wild swings of bitcoin are always there to buy and sell while maintaining good ratio of profit.

Bitcoin is simply too good to stop being adopted and used by people all over the world, as the political situation all over the world begins to worsen and their economies worsen as well we will begin to see people looking for alternatives to what the government offers and bitcoin will be there for them, also people are not going to go against what it is on their best interest if they have a neighbour that became rich because he invested in cryptocurrencies you can be sure they will try their luck with cryptocurrencies as well.

adoption will continue to run well, but the sentiment is somewhat reduced and there are some manipulations that expect a sustained downtrend, they expect a market panic that always results in a recurring retracement. The most important thing is continuity to maintain a never-ending circulation, ATH will emerge because bitcoin can open people's insights about its advantages compared to fiat.

In my opinion, through adaptation and implementing bitcoin in a lot of countries all over the world, I think bitcoin should reach the all-time high over time as the bitcoin community is getting bigger.
As the demand of bitcoin increases and supply is decreasing making the market price to pump it should reach and surpass the ATH price of bitcoin.

If bitcoin never reaches a new ATH maybe bitcoin was not a successful digital currency or cash in the market, right now bitcoin was already getting started and if it doesn't increase its price something is going to surpass it.

That's completely a not-so-good mindset. Intelligent hodlers aren't settling for one option. You have to deal with bitcoin's price volatility, Waiting for a new ATH was somehow a good option but it wasn't as good as selling coins accordingly to the price movements as it gives you more options to take rather than just waiting for a once-settlement. In addition to this, it takes too much time (of course) that in such time length you might have probably earned some good-to-go profits, lastly you didn't have any piece of idea when ATH will come, right? What's much worse with this is that"what if Bitcoin never reaches a new ATH?" Then what would you do? as you don't have any sort of options or plan b.

market manipulation that makes people panic, but actually it is very difficult to do market manipulation and is usually done by whales who have a lot of funds. but with pure market circulation makes it difficult for those who manipulate it. therefore panic should not occur, because what helps market manipulation is panic sell

The whales always have the power to manipulate the market and the price so by just simply blink of seconds they can dump or pump the price of a cryptocurrency. There is always a way to hit the all-time high price of bitcoin just like what have you said in adoption. Years passed by and bitcoin was recognized, it will still continue. By just increasing the adoption of cryptocurrency we can now reach or set a new all-time high price.

I am willing to wait to see Bitcoin reached at the new ATH, it may not be this year or the year 2021 but fore sure that it will still come as the fame of Bitcoin is continuously progressing and adoption of it is continuously evolving all over the world. Worrying doesn't help at all, let's just do our part to market it.

For me, 2019 was still a bear market as Bitcoin didn't get past its latest ATH of $20k per coin. It was hovering between the $6.5k - $8k range during the course of the year. While I didn't invest into Bitcoin while it soared to $20k per coin, I regret myself not having sold my coins when they were that high. I could've made a lot of profit by then. Instead, I've "hodled" my coins as I believed Bitcoin was going to go much higher than that by 2018.

Anyways, it's 2020 now and prices are still below $10k. Maybe the next halving would trigger an increase in price? Because if Bitcoin stays at the $7.5 - $8k range, then it would turn out to be quite unprofitable for those mining it. Let's hope that won't be the case and Bitcoin soar towards new ATHs within the upcoming years. ;)



That's certainly true, mate. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens with BTC's price every 4 years after each halving of the block reward. If Bitcoin mimics Gold as a store of value, prices should definitely go up within a couple of years from now. Of course, we cannot deny the fact that whales and regulations manipulate the market in every way. I'm guessing that demand for BTC will grow as people realize the true benefits of the Lightning Network. No one knows what BTC's price will be in the future.

I've said "never" because it's taking too long for Bitcoin to reach at least $10k per coin. The high price volatility is extremely risky for any "hodler" today. Imagine if Bitcoin would go lower than $5k this year, instead of going higher by the next halving? Anyways, I think it's best to cash out to Fiat every once in a while and never have to worry about Bitcoin prices ever again. ::)

I personally can't see any problem here. Yes, if the price stays below $7,500 after the halving, it can be unprofitable to mine for those who have to pay above $0.05/KWh for electricity, and also to pay for rent etc. But it would be unprofitable for the current number of miners. If this number decreased  3 times, we would still have a secure blockchian, while mining would become 3 times easier.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Do we really need the current number of miners to maintain the high level of security?

to target a new ATH on bitcoin it will be difficult to find certainty, but I am pretty sure that the growth of Bitcoin can reach the new ATH going forward. it's only a matter of time until the market shows a new ATH price on bitcoin, and for this year I hope bitcoin can reach a better price than now.

I strongly doubt that. Bitcoin's price would undoubtedly once again hit an all-time high, but I believe it would come only when other governments decide to accept it. In the long run, this would certainly increase their use in the world and their quality. It definitely wouldn't happen soon, so holders should be careful and stay strong. Hopefully bitcoin will hit millions in the distant future.

this is what happened guys, in my assumption. Whales is waiting for everything to be quiet, bitcoin holders are getting tired. and most will sell their BTC. I saw this when I was 2014 last. which BTC has the lowest price of around $ 200. and at that time trading was not like today. that's when whales made a surprise by pumping, then continued until 2017. I believe bitcoin still has a new ATH and it will come soon.

Basically we all know that miners are getting profits by selling BTC and there's no way they could sustain their mining facilities if they hodl allot of bitcoin and sacrifice their own self made money from their outside world jobs. Miners will surely sell Bitcoins but the only difference from before and today is the market price they will try to sell and it is no doubt to be higher than ever. So think of ATH, if the miners will be the reason then it will take time to reach the ATH unlike in 2017 which is like the shotgun attack of price increase from nowhere.

This is similar to what I think about the current situation. Knowing that the price will inevitably go up in the upcoming months, whales are dumping in big chunks to make it as low as possible. Then they are buying up at low price, stealthily, in small amounts, very cautiously, so that it wouldn't spark the price rising before they accumulated the desired amount of BTC. I suggest to potential investors to take advantage of the situation before it's too late.

If at this time everyone is afraid that Bitcoin never hitting ATH, for me, as long as its all-time low doesn't get lower than ever, the market is in a good condition. We are always hoping for the good market price, to be precise, a sudden price increase that we call the bull run, but as long as we persuade people to adopt cryptocurrency, we have nothing to fear. The growth of market prices may be sluggish, but it would certainly make the all-time low higher every year. I'm probably suggesting staying for a long time with this.

We should not depend on that especially since governments are never going to do that unless they are forced to do it, put yourself in the position of the governments, before bitcoin appeared you had complete control of currencies and anyone that tried to compete was destroyed by you and your greatest competitor gold has been beaten for decades, and then bitcoin appears and changes everything almost overnight and you want those governments to accept bitcoin despite being a threat to them, that does not really make too much sense.

The thing here is that majority doesnt know on how to utilize those movements yet its hard to predict nor presume on whats the lowest or bottom price for them to enter
thats why people do missed out chances on getting good profits because they do hesitate and the ones who do make money is to those who do risk to buy in spite of
being unsure.On topic in regards if btc would ever hit up ATH again? no one knows but it would be good to see a slow and gradual increase to reach that point.

Agree with you, going by what we have now as the price am okay and fine too because at least its not seem as a hype project or a ponzi scheme as before. Lowering into the decrease figures will create worries in me than not attaining ATH. Based on the past history of Bitcoin, no year we don't see lower and higher depending on the price, so, we should be ready for a lower if not be experiencing now or later.

Yeah the bitcoin's price was pumped hugely before by whales mostly. It was in 2014 and also in 2017 when the price increased a lot and reached the 19k$ level in a few months. I believe that pump cycles off bitcoins price will continue and we will see a high increase of bitcoin in the next few years! I hope that's gonna be in 2020 because bitcoin's holder are getting tired and they need to make a decent profit, because they're waiting for 2 years and nothing important happened till now.

Bitcoin's price can never really be stable. It has been fluctuating all the while since it's birth. Bitcoin has crossed it's ATH many times in the history and so I can assure you that it will surely cross it's ATH some day.
Nobody knows how long would it take for the next ATH to occur but possibility of that happening is extremely large.
The last bitcoin will be mined in the year 2140 and so we have so many years ahead of us for the ATH to occur.
There are even chances that we may not see the ATH again but our next generations might. So let's just hope that the ATH occur before rest in peace  ;D

After the ATH of bitcoin, there's a lot of changes in the market and also in mining. I guess they've just used cryptocurrency for their own benefit in 2017 as it's being broadcast in the news that Bitcoin is growing up.
Well, all of the assets that are existing even in stocks are fluctuating so it's normal to consider that price can really never be stable.

Seeing the movements of Bitcoin and the different stages that the market has fulfilled, that there will be a new ATH there will be, perhaps when it reaches $ 20k it will pass quickly, although that limit is a Roof by natural definition, the new ATH must be very juicy, since the accumulation stage has been developing in the order of $ 3k and $ 6k, to be an accumulation stage it is with good dollar levels, currently there may be a re-accumulation, that means that when it increases Price will be something very big, for those in Hodl it is the smartest way for them to become much more millionaires.

This is seen from a speculative point of view of the market and, in turn, as an investor can see, since if it enters the interest based on technology, it is an advantage that Bitcoin has, there are many interests that develop as time passes, communities in speculation are created as technology enthusiasts.

That may happen. Now there are still many people who are not awake and still keep bitcoin when they buy at nearly $ 20k. If bitcoin rises at a price close then they will sell it and cut a loss. That is the first reason why the price of Bitcoin is hard to reach ATH again. The second reason is that now the money-rich fish that died in 2018 are now resurrected and have more experience. they have a lot of money and they have experience, so the manipulation of the whales will hardly be able to eat their money anymore. The majority of the fish-raising plans have been to sell bitcoins before ATH.

That's certainly true, mate. Whales are the ones who mostly manipulate the crypto market. They always buy low and sell high no matter the circumstances. Whenever there are negative news about crypto and Blockchain in general, they always resort to shorting crypto at exchanges for their own benefit. Whales easily buy cheap coins from frustrated investors (mostly noobs) to sell later at a higher profit. When the time is right, they'll pump the price of Bitcoin to the roof just like it happened way back in 2017.

I believe that the same thing will happen this year, since the halving event will take place soon. The less Bitcoin there are, the more valuable it will turn out to become in the long run. Of course, we cannot deny that regulations have had an impact over the crypto market's growth rate. But the decentralized nature of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies, allows anyone to set their own price at will instead of a central authority (like a central bank).

Nonetheless, we cannot deny that Bitcoin is largely unpredictable at times. It can either turn out to be valuable within a couple of days, months, or even years from now or all the other way around. I still have hope that Bitcoin will turn out to reach a new ATH this year, or the one after that. As long as you're able to accumulate coins while their prices are depressed across the market, you'll be able to obtain double or triple your investment within a couple of years from now. Just my thoughts ;D

For that to be true, whales need to coordinate their actions, and this sounds quite unlikely to me. Imagine one whale trying to crash the market, but then other whales immediately buy all the coins that the first whale dumped and even more - now he lost a lot of money with his attempt at manipulation. Or consider this scenario - a whale tries to start a pump by making big purchase, and the "newbies" continue the pump, and now it's time for the whale to take profit by dumping, but another whale proves to be faster and takes the profit instead - the result the same as in the first example - a whale loses a lot of money.

Things like that happened in the past, remember the legendary bearwhale story?

It is precisely those feelings that the whales are using against you, they are trying to slow down the coming of the next bull market, why? Because if they do that people will get desperate and they will sell their coins to them, if you take a look at some of the biggest holders you will realize they are getting smaller in fact they are getting bigger, it is for this reason I do not think the halving will bring an immediate bull run because the whales want people to get desperate about the situation.

But there hasn't a strong basis that if we reached 10k USD in bitcoin and altcoin returns profitable, we will reach a new ATH, new ATH are being achieve by a cryptocurrency with a strong support and push from people. Basically, if the demand is pushed through, making its market price high based from this basic concept of supply and demand. Most probably, the cryptocurrency with limited supply or cryptocurrency that are experiencing scarcity, are the most vulnerable to achieve ATH because of the people buying it even if they don't set the price to higher buying price.

If the price do go down you’re not going to lose all your money. As a Bitcoin investor you should know how much risk you’re able to take and avoid taking more than that.

You can keep your risk level at fifty percent % and when you invest and the price drops to the extent of losing that much you can then withdraw and wait for another time to invest it back. This is why as a Hodler you should always do proper research before buying Bitcoin, a wrong investment is going to make you regret ever investing in bitcoin, because after waiting for a long time and gaining nothing, it’s quite frustrating.

There is another topic here showing(or, rather, reminding us) that the price not necessarily rises the same year. It can take a year, or even more than that, for the market to "feel" the the shortage of 27,000 newly minted coins every month. That's right, 27k less BTC will be produced each month after the halving. I think it should have some effect on the market, sooner or later.

I don't know how to make sense out of this. With the same supply per month, Bitcoin was $500 as well as $20k. Halving will not have much effect because you can't put the demand in numbers here. The speculation  before halving will make people FOMO and that will most probably lead to the price rise. Halving in itself won't have much effect.

What if we fail again with our expectations? Does it push us to find an exit door?
I believe people who already trusted crypto since before they will still stick together even we fail again this year and there is no way to quit. We think and been so hopeful that crypto has a better future and it all be possible if we still give our support despite of crisis that we've encountered every day.

That's why let's not expect too much, let's just analyze the possible and realistic things that will happen, and of course let's be ready all the time. We really never know when the crytpo will be up and down, so we need to study about the market itself and not just asking people what will happen, what are they accepting.

At first, we already know that cryptocurrency or bitcoin is risky when it comes to investment so even if it doesn't reach the All-time high price in the market bitcoin still was profitable and great for investment because of its volatile market price. But surely there is a big chance that it is going to reach it's going to reach the ATH since the technology is rising and bitcoin is already slowly getting implemented in a lot of places that are going to influence a lot of people, this could easily increase the demand of bitcoin that is going to pump the market.



Agree it was just the circulation of investment or the investors that are investing their money in bitcoin they just buying low and selling it at the high price so I guess bitcoin is still the best cryptocurrency even if it doesn't reach the ATH. Also, it was not just the market price that makes it a great or the top digital currency.

For me it does not matter whether Bitcoin will never reaches a new ATH as long as it has a real life use case and still highly volatile.  Real life use case is important because it conveys that Bitcoin in not just a worthless code that is highly hyped and the volatility so that I am able to profit from it by exploiting the price movement into my advantage.

Well, some people say that the 2017's sharp rising resulted from the previous halving in July 2016. It just took some time before the 2016's halving had its effect.

Also, the thing is that all the newly minted coins is not exactly "supply", because:
1. Not all of them immediately appear on the market;
2. The selling orders and the coins that are sold each day in response to buying orders, that's the real supply.

So, we can't say that we had the same supply when BTC was $550 in August 2016, and when it went up to $20k more than a year later. In fact, we can say, even without looking that up, that the supply was shorter or the demand was greater, but the situation was definitely not the same.

Agree I think at anytime bitcoin could easily reach or surpass this all-time high price in the market since the bitcoin now has a bigger community and a lot of big companies that use it as an asset I think investing in bitcoin this days is much profitable than the past year. I guess the best thing to do is just to hold bitcoin for long term investment since the bitcoin slowly is getting a lot of potential in increasing its market price and being a top digital currency in the world.

It is not just an assumption but a fact, the halving was in 2016 and we had the best rally in the market by 2017 and this time also i am expecting 2021 to be the best year for the bitcoin market if everything follows the same pattern.

The difference was that there were many new investors in the market and the hype surround the bitcoin market was really huge and the introduction of options market all helped the market in a great way.

Well, to be honest this is unpredictable, at this moment we can't speculate if bitcoin can reach a new ATH, the price currently is about $ 8k and going up slowly I guess $ 10k is possible at least in this year but for passing the $19k it's kinda hard for the bitcoin to make it happen. let's see if it can pass the 15k first then I  truly believe that it can reach the ATH again and maybe will be skyrocket.