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Title: Affection of War to Bitcoin?
Post by: finaleshot2016 on January 04, 2020, 05:35:46 PM
What's going to happen to cryptocurrencies or specifically bitcoin if World War 3 is going to happen? That's the first issue I think pop-ups because of a lot of headlines about the US-Iran war.
If you want to read the information where did it started, here it is:
  • Crowds gather in Baghdad to mourn military leaders killed by US airstrike (https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/us-iran-soleimani-tensions-live-intl/index.html)

The government will usually focus on manufacturing in war materials in the war culture, and most likely some countries' economic status will go down and some will go up.

I think this war's effect for the cryptocurrency is when the war ruined the internet, which is the global network, where even the cryptocurrency is reliant on most citizens. Most of the business we're running on the internet today, all of the company's important files are also uploaded to secure internet storage. The internet is the most powerful invention and most of the devices today rely on the power of the internet. Due to the internet, even the blockchain network is processing because there is no possibility that the chain network will run on its own without the internet.
  • Is it possible for a blockchain to function without the internet? (https://www.quora.com/Is-it-possible-for-a-blockchain-to-function-without-the-internet) - No!

Basically, this proves that; No Internet No Blockchain


I'm not finished yet...
Basically, if there's a war, most people will die, do you think they're going to end up thinking about their cryptocurrency investments? No!
The importance of cryptocurrency at that time will actually fade and the market will fall. All of the people will just worry about the biggest problem which is the war.
Okay, all this was my view only when the US and Iran have a massive war so what's yours?


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on January 04, 2020, 05:51:15 PM
Christ, I'm hoping Trump doesn't kick off WWIII with this latest action of his--for the past few years I thought his presidency was a lot less worse than I thought it was going to be when he got elected, but what he's doing now in Iran is just a devious smokescreen to distract people from his impending impeachment.  The last thing anyone needs is a all-out war.

And if we did have a war in which nukes were involved?  Forget about bitcoin, forget about the stock market, forget about planning for the future.  Build a bunker, stock up on food and guns and land and everything you're going to need to survive underground for a long time. 

If there's a "lesser war" that doesn't bring about doomsday, I'd say that bitcoin will be just fine.  The stock market might not do so well, but I bet bitcoin and maybe even the altcoin market might come through it unscathed.  It remains to be seen, but I'm really, really hoping this situation can be de-escalated.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: Sebas.tian on January 04, 2020, 05:57:22 PM
Point of correction, gulf world war III. No country that has internet monopoly and nothing will happen to internet if paraventure the two countries go into war with each others alongside their allies. Bitcoin will stand a better position to blossom if eventually the Middle East go into war with their allies.

Remember this: infront of any war, every restrictions are over ruin and doesn't stand, so, Iranians will likely switch into bitcoin to survive with their economy, most especially the government which will face more sanctions at the end. Bitcoin will not go down if there is war of any kind between any country and USA. Probably the creator of Bitcoin knowns what will happen after 10th year of it creation. If the war escalate eventually, only early adoptors will benefit.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: acdc on January 04, 2020, 06:15:35 PM
I just read the news: Bitcoin was sold for $ 24,000 per BTC in Iran when the US tension increased.
Many people believe that if the Third World War broke out, the price of bitcoin would rise sharply. Because bitcoin is the best alternative currency today, bitcoin is decentralized and no government can stop it. Besides, the easy accumulation and transportation makes the value of bitcoin soar.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: finaleshot2016 on January 04, 2020, 06:49:24 PM
Point of correction, gulf world war III. No country that has internet monopoly and nothing will happen to internet if paraventure the two countries go into war with each others alongside their allies. Bitcoin will stand a better position to blossom if eventually the Middle East go into war with their allies.
We're not sure if it's going to be another battle in the gulf, so you don't have to correct it.
Many nations now have nuclear power, and it can actually destroy the entire land means that in this war there is a risk that the global network could be disrupted. We're talking about this war's possibilities and its effect on cryptocurrencies.

I just read the news: Bitcoin was sold for $ 24,000 per BTC in Iran when the US tension increased.
It happens just because it's pre-war situations not during world war 3. What about during WWIII? Do you think they'll still care for the market, I guess not.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: diazepam666 on January 04, 2020, 07:05:11 PM
Expecting World war may lead you also to die if that war is gonna fallin your country or somewhere near to you. I have seen many people lost their money on cryptocurrency field but it doesn't become threat for anyone.
But if that likely go with war side it will become is for crypto users.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: Tipstar on January 04, 2020, 07:26:34 PM
Though we call it a world war, it would not be raged around the world. The globe won't just shut down. It's a bunch of countries killing each others which would be targeted to cities and military areas. There would still be a large population and territory left out of war. And they are the reason why crypto would flourish.
People would be sending their money from war zones to countries that are at peace to buy some coins. War has always been a business for a group of people. This time the group would be larger.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: bittraffic on January 04, 2020, 07:26:56 PM
Point of correction, gulf world war III. No country that has internet monopoly and nothing will happen to internet if paraventure the two countries go into war with each others alongside their allies. Bitcoin will stand a better position to blossom if eventually the Middle East go into war with their allies.

Remember this: infront of any war, every restrictions are over ruin and doesn't stand, so, Iranians will likely switch into bitcoin to survive with their economy, most especially the government which will face more sanctions at the end. Bitcoin will not go down if there is war of any kind between any country and USA. Probably the creator of Bitcoin knowns what will happen after 10th year of it creation. If the war escalate eventually, only early adoptors will benefit.

It would be insane to hope for war just for bitcoin to rise. Lives will be lost but I'm hoping US will not really go into it because we all know what will happen. This will not kill internet of course and BTC will rise when allies take action, the battle ground will just be the middle east countries but lives go waste for sure.  I have no idea what Soleimani did in the past but my guess is that didn't invade any country before.



Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on January 04, 2020, 07:41:51 PM
I hope that these environments do not develop with a view to war, although Iran is a country that must be careful, I believe that at this moment diplomacy must triumph over wars, it is not convenient, in a possible scenario of war there could hardly be any kind of action in the crypto, electricity and internet services would fail, the markets would probably fall, the prospects are not very favorable.

We will have to wait for the next few days and see if the waters calm down, it is a historic moment especially for Bitcoin, the reduction is halved, mass adoption, a war scenario really cannot be contemplated.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: AniviaBtc on January 04, 2020, 07:44:54 PM
Point of correction, gulf world war III. No country that has internet monopoly and nothing will happen to internet if paraventure the two countries go into war with each others alongside their allies. Bitcoin will stand a better position to blossom if eventually the Middle East go into war with their allies.

Remember this: infront of any war, every restrictions are over ruin and doesn't stand, so, Iranians will likely switch into bitcoin to survive with their economy, most especially the government which will face more sanctions at the end. Bitcoin will not go down if there is war of any kind between any country and USA. Probably the creator of Bitcoin knowns what will happen after 10th year of it creation. If the war escalate eventually, only early adoptors will benefit.

It would be insane to hope for war just for bitcoin to rise. Lives will be lost but I'm hoping US will not really go into it because we all know what will happen. This will not kill internet of course and BTC will rise when allies take action, the battle ground will just be the middle east countries but lives go waste for sure.  I have no idea what Soleimani did in the past but my guess is that didn't invade any country before.



If world war 3 badly continues, the world will be fucked up. Those gunshots and killings will become a disaster that everyone will be experiencing. Bitcoin will become useless if money will become worthless because of those resources that are destroyed due to the exchanging of grenades and bombs. Imagine a world without life and is pure chaos and corpse. Isn't it beautiful to have a peaceful life while waiting for bitcoin's price to rise again? Unfortunately, Bitcoin will be valueless if every countries are fighting for dominion and vengeance.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: bitmover on January 04, 2020, 08:23:02 PM
I don't think things will escalate to a world war now.
But, anyway, the tensions might be good for btc.

A neutral currency in a polarized world. Well, it certainly has a lot of potential and uses.
Big players might do business with btc instead of usd for example


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: cheezcarls on January 04, 2020, 08:38:06 PM
Christ, I'm hoping Trump doesn't kick off WWIII with this latest action of his--for the past few years I thought his presidency was a lot less worse than I thought it was going to be when he got elected, but what he's doing now in Iran is just a devious smokescreen to distract people from his impending impeachment.  The last thing anyone needs is a all-out war.

And if we did have a war in which nukes were involved?  Forget about bitcoin, forget about the stock market, forget about planning for the future.  Build a bunker, stock up on food and guns and land and everything you're going to need to survive underground for a long time. 

If there's a "lesser war" that doesn't bring about doomsday, I'd say that bitcoin will be just fine.  The stock market might not do so well, but I bet bitcoin and maybe even the altcoin market might come through it unscathed.  It remains to be seen, but I'm really, really hoping this situation can be de-escalated.

On Facebook, I saw a post from a friend that for the first time in history, a "red flag of doom" was placed in Jamkarān Mosque in Iran.

https://www.disclose.tv/red-flag-of-doom-unfurled-over-mosque-in-iran-for-the-first-time-in-history-386502 (https://www.disclose.tv/red-flag-of-doom-unfurled-over-mosque-in-iran-for-the-first-time-in-history-386502)

It says that this is a symbol of war, and severe battle is coming.

On the other hand, when my dad watched the CNN news, Trump claimed that if he didn't take action quickly of deploying the airstrike, the Iranian general and his troops would have caused "massive attacks" in US. This is just what I heard when watching the news with my dad recently.

We have to be prepared if this is indeed gonna escalate into something worse, especially the Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies that we are holding. Anything can happen, we can't be complacent due to these tensions.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: Jet Cash on January 04, 2020, 08:51:23 PM
Bitcoin isn't dependent on the Internet, it is dependent on the inter communication between nodes. There are already alternatives being tested. Software controlled radio, and LoRa are two of them. At the current levels of development, they aren't really viable, but technology tends to advance, and I'm sure they will become a part of Bitcoin's future. Bitcoin is pretty robust, and a mix of Internet and LoRa will be viable, and probably won't require much of a coding addition.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: Artemis3 on January 04, 2020, 10:54:35 PM
What's going to happen to cryptocurrencies or specifically bitcoin if World War 3 is going to happen? That's the first issue I think pop-ups because of a lot of headlines about the US-Iran war.

The government will usually focus on manufacturing in war materials in the war culture, and most likely some countries' economic status will go down and some will go up.

I think this war's effect for the cryptocurrency is when the war ruined the internet, which is the global network, where even the cryptocurrency is reliant on most citizens. Most of the business we're running on the internet today, all of the company's important files are also uploaded to secure internet storage. The internet is the most powerful invention and most of the devices today rely on the power of the internet. Due to the internet, even the blockchain network is processing because there is no possibility that the chain network will run on its own without the internet.

I'm not finished yet...
Basically, if there's a war, most people will die, do you think they're going to end up thinking about their cryptocurrency investments? No!
The importance of cryptocurrency at that time will actually fade and the market will fall. All of the people will just worry about the biggest problem which is the war.
Okay, all this was my view only when the US and Iran have a massive war so what's yours?

You seem to ignore the fact, that Internet was specifically built to withstand a nuclear war. There is no single point of failure, there is no specific target you can hit to "stop" internet. Sure you could cripple it down, but it would be restored.

Bitcoin will keep working as long as there is a node running somewhere. I agree Bitcoin needs the internet, for the most part (it IS theoretically possible to make it work in another network), but i don't agree a war, and much less a war between two countries, can "destroy" internet. Iran cannot harm America, at least not to the point of total annihilation, but America can subjugate Iran at great cost.

Suppose you magically disappear the USA an IRAN, does Internet stop? NO. It would slow down, but it would be restored. Same with Bitcoin. Of course it will suck to the people of those countries, especially the ones getting bombed, but after its over things will go back to normal. You can take a look at Iraq, which was the place were this latest event occurred.

If these two countries go to war, most of the world would be unaffected. Heck my country has more relations with Iran than the USA, yet we have zero capacity to intervene militarily in anyway (and Trump would love the excuse to bomb us as well, as he promised but never did).


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: hatshepsut93 on January 05, 2020, 12:50:47 AM
Do my eyes see right? Did this stupid WWIII meme found its way into this forum? I thought at least this place is safe from it, but it looks like I was wrong.

There will be no WWIII over some killed Iranian general, and there's nothing that could lead to WWIII in the foreseeable future. If you look at the history, both WWI and WWII didn't come out of nowhere, all countries were preparing for it for many years before the wars started, but we don't see anything like this right now.

As for theoretical possibility, there are countless threads about Bitcoin and war/post-apocalypse scenario, I'm sure you'll find a lot of interesting opinions there.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: Yaunfitda on January 05, 2020, 01:04:56 AM
Do my eyes see right? Did this stupid WWIII meme found its way into this forum? I thought at least this place is safe from it, but it looks like I was wrong.

There will be no WWIII over some killed Iranian general, and there's nothing that could lead to WWIII in the foreseeable future. If you look at the history, both WWI and WWII didn't come out of nowhere, all countries were preparing for it for many years before the wars started, but we don't see anything like this right now.

As for theoretical possibility, there are countless threads about Bitcoin and war/post-apocalypse scenario, I'm sure you'll find a lot of interesting opinions there.

It's because the media is hyping the current incident. But I was surprised as well to see this kind of thread around this community as well.

Anyways, if there is a war, it could be more of a cyber-war. But not theoretical that everyone is going to used nuclear weapons to annihilate each other, lol.



U.S. Government Issues Warning About Possible Iranian Cyberattacks. (https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/us-government-issues-warning-about-possible-iranian-cyberattacks/)


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: bitcoinsocial09 on January 05, 2020, 01:37:09 AM
Surely we don't really know what going to be the effects of this in the market of bitcoin or cryptocurrency.

But we are expecting the market to go down since like in previous wars people don't care about other things like this bitcoin and crypto.

Bitcoin will not matter anymore if we are all dead anyway and it is going to be all about survival.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: MURONDI on January 05, 2020, 01:42:13 AM
in times of war the internet network may be difficult, but in my opinion it will not stop the internet, in a state of war communication is important, so I'm sure they will try to maintain an internet network for communication, except war using nuclear, might be able to cripple the internet network.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: xvids on January 05, 2020, 01:48:40 AM
If world war III begins then I think Bitcoin would be worthless or crash down since people would panic and get what they could.
They would start to cash out and buy what is important I also think that money would be useless when war begins .


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: CryptoBry on January 05, 2020, 01:57:33 AM


There will never be a World War 3 this time just because there can be possible skirmishes between the USA and Iran. Right now, both countries could not afford and risk the possible fall-outs of a full-blown war so we better take our blanket up and just relax. Days from now, things will start to cool off and we can be back to the most popular subtle war between USA and its many enemies (perceived and real). The only thing good to come out of this is that Bitcoin is positively affected with rumors of war.

And no, please stop thinking that just because there can be war that internet can be good and therefore cryptocurrencies can be worthless. Unless, of course, you are already talking about global nuclear war happening between countries who have the nuclear capabilities then maybe that can be the time to say goodbye even to life.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: blckhawk on January 05, 2020, 02:05:22 AM
If nukes are going to be bombed on most data centers and ISPs gateways, and the attack is serious enough to cripple everything business related, then you're probably right.

But if this war never escalated up to that point, there's no shutting down that would happen. Market would just crash. You also have to understand that internet is decentralized, as well as Bitcoin's network. It's a mesh network, and a shutdown on a specific place would not affect the others, it would continue to run, with or without those affected servers, if that location/server ever finds an alternative route of data to be accessed. Bitcoin would only shut down if each and every node is destroyed.

Also, I do believe wars happen in phases, and not just a single blow. The early stage, people, especially the powerful and rich ones, would find alternative place to store their wealth. And as long as there is a copy of bitcoin's ledger somewhere, his/her bitcoins would stay alive. That might be valuable after the war, and the digital age comes in. And that's one reason people might look into cryptocurrencies when the war has been declared.

The mid-stage, where countries bomb each other off, is where most companies are just closed, and no one really cares anymore than surviving.

Then the later stage comes in, where those who survives would have their funds store somewhere, assets that they still have, and since cryptocurrency isn't a physical, destroyable thing, it would still be existing.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: meanwords on January 05, 2020, 02:18:24 AM
One of the worst thing that could happen to us is for one of the country to declare world war III. Man cryptocurrency would be in a position where it will be less used when food and other necessities become the currency of the world. In my opinion, all the power of the market would be powerless when military power and the government has all the control. Though I think Bitcoin would survive.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: Xxmodded on January 05, 2020, 02:59:32 AM
Why do you think world war III really happen at the next time? will possible after Unite State killed of great commander of Iran, I think is not good reason for world war III. Although have issues about world war III bitcoin nothing got effect with lower and higher price, keep stable with the same price almost last two years above $7000, bitcoin need danger world war to make price up.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: stompix on January 05, 2020, 03:16:43 AM
Since just yesterday I saw a stupid topic about bitcoin going up because of the tensions in Irak...
With a ww3 we will go to the moon!!!!

There won't be a ww3 and for certain not for the sake of Iran!
Iran has no real friends, if they try to mess with the straight of Hormuz they will literally piss of half of the globe (China, India, SK and Japan are buying more oil from three than the US, each of them) China is also involved in exploring 2 oil fields in Irak, so how is going to side with Iran?
And it doesn't stop there, apart from the Arab world Nigeria and Kazakhstan would love to see all the oil production of Iran getting nuked for their own sake.

No, there won't be a ww3, there will be just a war in which Iran is left alone and their so-called friends watch from the sides.

As for bitcoin, can we change the name to disaster coin?
Because we have
- crisis in Cyrpus  > good for bitcoin
- crisis in Venezuela > this is good for bitcoin
- crisis in Zimbabwe , also good
- protest in Hogg Kong, this is excellent for bitcoin
- the banks will go down, marvelous for bitcoin
- a recession is coming, great for bitcoin again!!!
Seriously, has there been a positive event lately that was good for the world and also good for bitcoin?

But if this war never escalated up to that point, there's no shutting down that would happen. Market would just crash. You also have to understand that internet is decentralized, as well as Bitcoin's network. It's a mesh network, and a shutdown on a specific place would not affect the others, it would continue to run, with or without those affected servers, if that location/server ever finds an alternative route of data to be accessed.

https://www.submarinecablemap.com/

If the cables in the Red Sea or on the shores of Oman are cut everything between Europe and Asia will have to go through the US, and if on top of that something happens to one of the major cables on either the Atlantic or Pacific the current capacity will not be able to take the traffic.
Probably video platforms will shut down voluntarily in that case to lessen the burden but still, there are some vital points, if they all go down, we're either down to dial-up speeds or error pages.




Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: Gyfts on January 05, 2020, 03:35:39 AM
A bit misleading to call it World War III despite how popular its been on social media sites. If the U.S. chooses to go to war with Iran, there's not a damn chance any other country will choose to dabble in U.S. foreign policy. China nor Russia will back the Iranians despite their loose military alliance so it's a two country conflict.

Two main effects of the U.S. Iranian conflict on Bitcoin:

  • US economy takes a hit and Bitcoin value rises with falling USD value.
  • Iranian tensions do not amount to much with sustained U.S. economy resulting in no effect on BTC


I was watching the markets pretty closely and it's always fun to see spikes that occur just because Trump tweets. US currency hasn't taken a big hit yet despite the threats Trump posed on Iran if they chose to escalate tensions. China had lowered the conversion rate of USD to other fiat currencies so if this trend continues with other countries reducing the weight of USD, I think Bitcoin is undoubtedly going up. Although, if you're planning on trying to capitalize on war, investing in defense contractors that the U.S. Department of Defense has deals with is a good move.

Alternatively, if a full scale war does not come to fruition, the U.S. economy remains steady with stock markets performing well and the proposed tensions has zero effect. This is the likeliest outcome because Iran does not stand tall against the US military and will get obliterated. Iran going against the strongest military in the world -- I'm sure Iranian leaders can logically work out the result.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: adaseb on January 05, 2020, 03:44:55 AM
We will know tomorrow how the markets open especially the crude oil and gold markets to see which direction the stock markets and possibly bitcoin might be headed. However you need to understand that most likely there is not going to be a WW3. And you shouldn't hope for one just to increase your profits of holding BTC.

One hint is how the stock market indicies like the Dow30 and SP500 closed on Friday after the killing, they closed mostly flat. Before the open the futures headed down and when the stock markets opened it spiked up and closed neutral for the day.

So unless something major happens in the next few hours, I am expecting the markets to remain flat for the next week or 2 until this blows over.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: philipma1957 on January 05, 2020, 03:45:37 AM
 My fear would be  Iran goes for a simple revenge  and gets a guy to fly a plane into this building.
Pretty sure it is trump's tallest apartment building in manhattan.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/new-generation-of-skinny-skyscrapers-alters-new-york-skyline-1202334



http://i.ndtvimg.com/i/2015-07/skyscrapers_650x650_41438309975.jpg


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: iamsheikhadil on January 05, 2020, 03:58:18 AM
If there's a third world war then pretty sure it will involve all nukes and then boom, there will be no natural resources and everything including satellites orbiting the planet will be doomed and hence no network or internet, no electricity and no gadgets so no crypto, not sad because neither will be there cash or anything.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: BitDane on January 05, 2020, 04:14:09 AM
If world war III happen, I bet we won't worry much about cryptocurrency or other material things, the first thin we will be worried is how to save ourselves and families.  There will be chaos every where and probably internet connection will be lost so worrying about Bitcoin and other cryptocurrency is just useless because we cannot transact without internet.  We should worry about how we can food onthat troubled time.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: LorenoCoin on January 05, 2020, 04:18:08 AM
I think a war in addition to people taking their money out of the stock market because they fear instability, the protagonist in this scenario is black markets, such as deepweb, since most will seek weapons to protest or to protect themselves from Protestants, clearly these markets are handled with bitcoin, it is also interesting how your environment reacts, it could expand to other countries, it will be a good year for bitcoin.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: ohyeahhaha122 on January 05, 2020, 04:42:29 AM
Oh my god, I don't want that to happen, but if there is a war in only one or two countries, the internet will still be maintained bitcoin will increase because people of the war countries will buy bitcoin, yes, as you say. World War 3 happens that bitcoin will go to zero if there is no breakthrough technology to make the blockchain independent of the internet.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: Aying on January 05, 2020, 04:50:39 AM
Iran is getting ready for war and I think USA is holding back because they know this is getting worst if they defy the desire of Iran, but as of now we don't know that WWIII will gonna happen, but if they start attacking to each other then we know that bitcoin will be useless and every each of us is busy to find a place to hide or bitcoin will be more useful to buy more things secretly if other countries start to help their allies.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: Aurora Castro on January 05, 2020, 04:54:31 AM
If nukes are going to be bombed on most data centers and ISPs gateways, and the attack is serious enough to cripple everything business related, then you're probably right.

But if this war never escalated up to that point, there's no shutting down that would happen. Market would just crash. You also have to understand that internet is decentralized, as well as Bitcoin's network. It's a mesh network, and a shutdown on a specific place would not affect the others, it would continue to run, with or without those affected servers, if that location/server ever finds an alternative route of data to be accessed. Bitcoin would only shut down if each and every node is destroyed.

Also, I do believe wars happen in phases, and not just a single blow. The early stage, people, especially the powerful and rich ones, would find alternative place to store their wealth. And as long as there is a copy of bitcoin's ledger somewhere, his/her bitcoins would stay alive. That might be valuable after the war, and the digital age comes in. And that's one reason people might look into cryptocurrencies when the war has been declared.

The mid-stage, where countries bomb each other off, is where most companies are just closed, and no one really cares anymore than surviving.

Then the later stage comes in, where those who survives would have their funds store somewhere, assets that they still have, and since cryptocurrency isn't a physical, destroyable thing, it would still be existing.

It is the main fear of Internet users. If a third world war occurs, it will not bring anything good. Based on the history of past wars, as well as their consequences, the short answer is genocide, economic crisis, ghost towns, militarized schools and destroyed cities; We all hope this does not happen. Or many people, and even this market, will be greatly affected. Let us declare that this 2020 will bring prosperity and good things for everyone.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: pooya87 on January 05, 2020, 04:58:04 AM
it depends on the war. if it is a nuclear war where the countries that already have nuclear weapons of mass destruction such as US, Israel, Russia started nuking each other then forget about bitcoin, humanity would be at the brink of extinction at that point.

but if it is a normal war then we can also expect a recession. during the first week of war about 100k US troops and billions of dollars worth of military equipment including bases, aircraft, aircraft carriers,... would be wiped out in about 35 bases in middle east under barrage of highly advanced precision artillery, long-rang missiles, Cruise missile,... the cost of war in first week would surpass hundreds of billions and as US keeps spending money and lives the dollar value keeps plummeting the value of bitcoin would soar and that rise will make people want to buy more of it in which case its price would go a lot higher.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: theskillzdatklls on January 05, 2020, 05:20:07 AM
I could easily be talked out of this, but I think that WWIII would actually be bad for Bitcoin. I think that the war economy is largely fiat based. That is good for governments, bad for BTC. Secondly, I think that war gets populations in general to act more conservatively, which would mean basics like hard assets/fiat, not emerging and risky propositions like BTC.

Granted there are of course some positives for BTC that could emerge from such economies, I think that it is overall worse than it is better.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: Blitzboy on January 05, 2020, 06:42:34 AM
Come on guys, please don't think superficially! All we know the dangers and horrors of a world war, none of us want that to happen again. Of course, the leaders of each nation don't want wars to happen. Think more carefully, the conflict between the United States and Iran has been happening for more than 10 years, and there has never been any sign of cooling off. The truth is the situation has become more tense, but it is a conflict merely between the United States and Iran, it is not a conflict between many countries, there is no reason for a world war. Use your brain to think before uttering dumb words, please!


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: Casdinyard on January 05, 2020, 06:53:41 AM
Even Iran will have this so called harsh revenge, it couldn't easily start WW III nor a panic of switching investments into crypto. I hate to think some people see this incident as an opportunity to make profit while for all we know many lives are at stake. I'm not against on making profit but we should be somehow sensitive on what's happening.

Just my two cents tho.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: alyssa85 on January 05, 2020, 06:54:43 AM


Basically, if there's a war, most people will die, do you think they're going to end up thinking about their cryptocurrency investments? No!
The importance of cryptocurrency at that time will actually fade and the market will fall. All of the people will just worry about the biggest problem which is the war.
Okay, all this was my view only when the US and Iran have a massive war so what's yours?


During World War 2, gold was in huge demand as it was portable money that was accepted everywhere (whereas fiat from one country might not be accepted in another).

Many jewish people got out of Germany carrying some gold on their person - they were forced to sell their property for a fraction of it's worth, so basically in a crisis like that, gold was the only asset worth having because you could hide it and carry it with you.

I'd say bitcoin functions in the same way (in that you can exchange it anywhere in the world).

Regarding "the internet going down" - it was designed to work even if some cables get cut off and even if electricity is down in some areas. You would need to take down electricity all over the world and cut the cables all over the world, for the internet to go down. Which is extremely unlikely.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: Wintersoldier on January 05, 2020, 07:51:20 AM
First, we need to understand the opinion of people. Trump is at risk of being impeached and starting an all out war is quite not a good idea. If he will be impeached in the middle of the war then he will just make the status of Amerika miserable. Literally, it is a way for him to stay in his position and to avoid being impeached that's why he's creating something big to make his issues being covered. This is just my opinion about the matter and I don't think it is healthy for us to support the war.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: Assface16678 on January 05, 2020, 08:23:35 AM
If world war III begins then I think Bitcoin would be worthless or crash down since people would panic and get what they could.
They would start to cash out and buy what is important I also think that money would be useless when war begins .

Today one of the significant problems in the world of digital currency is what will happen when the world war III comes again and what will happen to the bitcoin. To the country that approves about the war will affect the bitcoin because they are now focusing on the war because and the community and the market on their land will down for a while because of the conflict happening in the different country, but still we are hoping the war does not continue. The bull continuously runs in the bitcoin market price.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: aioc on January 05, 2020, 08:23:56 AM
We can forget about this technology when World war 3 happens, but all these leaders know the bad effects of world war 3 and we will have a global recession, all the powerful countries will see to it that it will not happen, China is enjoying itself as a global economic power, he don't want something that will escalate to world war and so are the European nations, they will do all they can to prevent this.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: Bim abk on January 05, 2020, 08:34:47 AM
We can forget about this technology when World war 3 happens, but all these leaders know the bad effects of world war 3 and we will have a global recession, all the powerful countries will see to it that it will not happen, China is enjoying itself as a global economic power, he don't want something that will escalate to world war and so are the European nations, they will do all they can to prevent this.
World War indeed makes technology like today probably won't work much, if war happens surely all countries increase their security in any sector. I hope that war is really not happening at this time, and it is better for peace to continue and I would prefer to see a battle that more shows the greatness of a country in the form of technological and economic competition.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: alexeev.tosha0109@yandex. on January 05, 2020, 08:41:13 AM
“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.” ― Albert Einstein
This is exactly about WWIII affection on Bitcoin. Cryptocurrency doesn't need the war for its promotion.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: TastyChillySauce00 on January 05, 2020, 08:43:34 AM
although the price of bitcoin in Iran as of now inflates like crazy but it is because people think they could temporarily save their wealth and consider it as safehaven for the time being but I agree, if WW3 really happen food and shelter will become priority and people dont care about crypto or whatever. in addition people will try to stock food as much as they can and probably liquidating all their assets. money become less relevant if there is no food to survive after all.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: Eclipse26 on January 05, 2020, 08:57:09 AM
If World War III occurs, not all country will be involved in that war. Mainly just the US and Iran and their big country allies like China and Russia. So it would be like a war between strong countries. And normal citizens there, wouldn't care first about having so much money. What will matter first is their safety and survival. Their people as well don't want war so I think WWIII won't start that easily unless both government officials would piss each other. WWIII sill aslo be a big issue in crypto and can affect bitcoin but people affected by the war wouldn't priorities crypto.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: Rosilito on January 05, 2020, 12:28:59 PM
It remains to be seen, but I'm really, really hoping this situation can be de-escalated.

I hope the same, but I don't think Trump are going to back down from his actions, and I bet he knew the consequences of his actions more than us. Well he just threatens  (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50996602)Iran that they will hit 52 targets if Iran are going retaliate over the death of General Qasem Soleimani.

Going back to the topic, I don't think bitcoin network, electricity and the internet itself are just going to shutdown right away.

Considering this idea:

But if this war never escalated up to that point, there's no shutting down that would happen. Market would just crash. You also have to understand that internet is decentralized, as well as Bitcoin's network. It's a mesh network, and a shutdown on a specific place would not affect the others, it would continue to run, with or without those affected servers, if that location/server ever finds an alternative route of data to be accessed. Bitcoin would only shut down if each and every node is destroyed.

I agree to this man. And besides, Internet is totally widespread, we may not be aware of but there might be some new way of sending data with or without putting such long cables under water.

And if so the war still continue, and if there might be a little of chance of us getting killed/involved with this potential war, survivors who are going to restart civilization, there might be a chance that one of 'em is a crypto enthusiast.  


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: Murat on January 05, 2020, 12:30:54 PM
World War 3! Don't say that again, It's not for the welfare of the human being, it's a curse for us so do not think about it, If this war will occur in the coming days then we are going to kill ourselves by many reasons, It's the age of nuclear, it's an age of technology and it's an age of cryptocurrency, so by any means, world war 3 will vanish our structure because a lot of countries are holding nuclear bombs, But I think no one country or people don't want this much of war again because we have seen how much destruction occurred during the last two world war.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: Youghoor on January 05, 2020, 12:41:21 PM
When world war III kicks off, nobody will have the time to think of cryptocurrencies or bitcoin. People will be running for their lives rather than thinking about the current price of bitcoin. Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies will be very useless during that period and there will not be a good internet services for bitcoin transactions if someone thinks of making a transaction.  It will be better we pray that world war III doesn't happen.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: Darker45 on January 05, 2020, 12:44:28 PM
I'm neither too young nor too old and I think I won't be seeing a world war in my lifetime. Not even:

...when the US and Iran have a massive war...

I think if it will only be between Iran and the US, it will not be a full-blown war. Iran will be flexing all her muscles while the US will only lift a finger and we still know which side the tide will favor. This will just become another rape case in the Middle East, a total annihilation against a helpless opponent.

If a world war will erupt, everything will be cleared to the ground. It is certainly going to be a nuclear war. The world might be seeing a total reset and not even Bitcoin will survive. There is no point talking about the price of Bitcoin when the whole of Earth is turning into a Chernobyl.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: seandiumx20 on January 05, 2020, 05:54:34 PM
It's not just going to focus on Iran and the US, this war may get big, the US and Iran have their allies on their own, so it's not a one-sided fight. Yet I think it's very difficult to do World War 3, some of the countries are now sustaining world peace. Bitcoin's going to have a lot of affection for this fight, we're not sure if it's going to rise. The only thing that matters when there's a war is security because there's a lot of people going to die on it for sure. We're not sure if it's going to go to World War 3, but it's scary in fact. I doubt that the people of South-East Asia will join the war because they lack good armies.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: finaleshot2016 on January 05, 2020, 07:06:42 PM
Well, yes you guys have a different perspective on this situation and I guess there's nothing wrong with my perspective since it's my opinion only.
I think if it will only be between Iran and the US, it will not be a full-blown war. Iran will be flexing all her muscles while the US will only lift a finger and we still know which side the tide will favor. This will just become another rape case in the Middle East, a total annihilation against a helpless opponent.
We aren't sure if that will gonna happen since advanced technology is growing vastly, which means there are more advanced weapons that can instantly cause massive destruction. They have allies also, which is Russia and many more that can do that for them when needed.
I doubt that the people of South-East Asia will join the war because they lack good armies.
It might be true, the Philippines doesn't have good weapons even strong helmet and bulletproof kevlar.  ::)

Gonna change the thread subject to "Affection of War to Bitcoin" since it is true that it's very far away to have WWIII.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: Blitzboy on January 06, 2020, 03:39:30 AM
I think if it will only be between Iran and the US, it will not be a full-blown war. Iran will be flexing all her muscles while the US will only lift a finger and we still know which side the tide will favor. This will just become another rape case in the Middle East, a total annihilation against a helpless opponent.
We aren't sure if that will gonna happen since advanced technology is growing vastly, which means there are more advanced weapons that can instantly cause massive destruction. They have allies also, which is Russia and many more that can do that for them when needed.
This is clearly a meaningless war that Trump is creating, but Iran is too weak to fight, even though they have allies, but I think there is no fight from their allies. Russia or any other country will not fight. All did not want to lead to a big war.

I doubt that the people of South-East Asia will join the war because they lack good armies.
Southeast Asia is a peaceful region where there is no war, although they are truly militarily weak
Gonna change the thread subject to "Affection of War to Bitcoin" since it is true that it's very far away to have WWIII.
I have not see a perspective of World War III, it's all just an exaggeration of everyone


Title: Re: Affection of War to Bitcoin?
Post by: Lecam on January 06, 2020, 03:45:52 AM
What's going to happen to cryptocurrencies or specifically bitcoin if World War 3 is going to happen? That's the first issue I think pop-ups because of a lot of headlines about the US-Iran war.
If you want to read the information where did it started, here it is:
  • Crowds gather in Baghdad to mourn military leaders killed by US airstrike (https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/us-iran-soleimani-tensions-live-intl/index.html)

The government will usually focus on manufacturing in war materials in the war culture, and most likely some countries' economic status will go down and some will go up.

I think this war's effect for the cryptocurrency is when the war ruined the internet, which is the global network, where even the cryptocurrency is reliant on most citizens. Most of the business we're running on the internet today, all of the company's important files are also uploaded to secure internet storage. The internet is the most powerful invention and most of the devices today rely on the power of the internet. Due to the internet, even the blockchain network is processing because there is no possibility that the chain network will run on its own without the internet.
  • Is it possible for a blockchain to function without the internet? (https://www.quora.com/Is-it-possible-for-a-blockchain-to-function-without-the-internet) - No!

Basically, this proves that; No Internet No Blockchain


I'm not finished yet...
Basically, if there's a war, most people will die, do you think they're going to end up thinking about their cryptocurrency investments? No!
The importance of cryptocurrency at that time will actually fade and the market will fall. All of the people will just worry about the biggest problem which is the war.
Okay, all this was my view only when the US and Iran have a massive war so what's yours?

If world war 3 gonna happen once internet got affected in to it bitcoin will gonna die because we all know that electricity and internet is most source of bitcoin. So if that happen bitcoin will stop and no more can use there bitcoin and no one can trade bitcoin will be stop and no more use. I think many are worrying in that time and many are getting to sad.


Title: Re: Affection of War to Bitcoin?
Post by: boris singer on January 06, 2020, 04:03:14 AM
the trigger for world war is that there is no longer a peaceful path between the two parties who have their respective allies. When discussing continuing tensions between the US and Iran, it will be the same as the previous US and Afghanistan polemic, the impact of the tension does not spread throughout the world. What I read yesterday was the anticipation of the conversion of assets into bitcoin before the tension became more complicated, whatever happened, only to hope to be able to withdraw assets with the same value when finally conditions returned to normal.


Title: Re: Affection of War to Bitcoin?
Post by: theskillzdatklls on January 06, 2020, 04:17:47 AM


Basically, if there's a war, most people will die, do you think they're going to end up thinking about their cryptocurrency investments? No!
The importance of cryptocurrency at that time will actually fade and the market will fall. All of the people will just worry about the biggest problem which is the war.
Okay, all this was my view only when the US and Iran have a massive war so what's yours?


During World War 2, gold was in huge demand as it was portable money that was accepted everywhere (whereas fiat from one country might not be accepted in another).

Many jewish people got out of Germany carrying some gold on their person - they were forced to sell their property for a fraction of it's worth, so basically in a crisis like that, gold was the only asset worth having because you could hide it and carry it with you.

I'd say bitcoin functions in the same way (in that you can exchange it anywhere in the world).

Regarding "the internet going down" - it was designed to work even if some cables get cut off and even if electricity is down in some areas. You would need to take down electricity all over the world and cut the cables all over the world, for the internet to go down. Which is extremely unlikely.

I've never been a believer in this gold = BTC thing. I think they are extremely different, honestly about as different as hard currencies get. And if I had to speculate as to what would be more valuable in 1000 years from now, an equivalent amount of gold or BTC, despite being a huge BTC bull I think it would be suicidally stupid to guess BTC.

The fact that gold was hoarded only proves my point further torwards hard assets. Of which I don't think Bitcoin is "hard" yet. It's survived a decade, that's great, but it'll need to do quite a bit more to be the safe haven asset that gold is.


Title: Re: Affection of War to Bitcoin?
Post by: bering on January 06, 2020, 07:09:25 AM
Some of people predict if world war 3 happens then it will be the biggest war in the world because weapons technology will be very sophisticated so the impact for the countries itself will be very high and in my view because chaos everywhere then people only to thinking how to survive from this war so probably they never thinking to save their bitcoin or their wealth because their life is more valuable than bitcoin itself so i predict the effect of world war 3 for bitcoin is can makes bitcoin useless because people too concern for their life


Title: Re: Affection of War to Bitcoin?
Post by: Alhamza24 on January 06, 2020, 07:53:39 AM
https://www.coincurb.com/news/bitcoin-price-jump-after-us-attack/ (https://www.coincurb.com/news/bitcoin-price-jump-after-us-attack/)
Bitcoin is a decentralized currency, US and Iran conflict won't have much impact. Plus Iran market is too small and slow to effect Btc price.


Title: Re: Affection of War to Bitcoin?
Post by: russel123456 on January 06, 2020, 08:05:06 AM
I don't think that both countries will play for full-fledge war instead proxy war or enterprise war. It Will not arrange thrid world war..This type of war will not affect over the crypto and blockchain industry.

On the other hand, if us and Iran are start war then it will not  affect over bitcoin or crypto industry.😉😉


Title: Re: Affection of War to Bitcoin?
Post by: Savemore on January 06, 2020, 10:59:29 AM
Some of people predict if world war 3 happens then it will be the biggest war in the world because weapons technology will be very sophisticated so the impact for the countries itself will be very high and in my view because chaos everywhere then people only to thinking how to survive from this war so probably they never thinking to save their bitcoin or their wealth because their life is more valuable than bitcoin itself so i predict the effect of world war 3 for bitcoin is can makes bitcoin useless because people too concern for their life
We do not yet know what will happen to the price of the bitcoin if the war happen but one thing is sure there is an impact to the cryptocurrency market we do not just know if the impact is great or just small. Cryptocurrencies are mostly decentralized so there is no government that backed the cryptocurrency and also there is no government or insitutions who can control it.


Title: Re: Affection of War to Bitcoin?
Post by: Polar91 on January 06, 2020, 03:41:58 PM
No one is totally owning the internet or having the most power over the internet as it is based solely on our discretion to believe things and propaganda that people are telling the world via internet. Though, the safest way to store our money basically is the internet, I believe there will be a time where banks could be shut of and cryptocurrency would be a great help to sustain living, or if internet could be compromised because of the war, it is because the ISP's aren't working anymore, thus, it will still serve to keep our money on the network and will be considered as the most reliable storage of our bitcoins.


Title: Re: Affection of War to Bitcoin?
Post by: BlacksmithCorporation on January 06, 2020, 03:58:00 PM
Two world wars before nuclear weapons Not yet popular, but now, the world has tens of thousands of nuclear weapons. Pray that World War 3 will not happen because it could be destruction. And bitcoin and humans may also disappear.


Title: Re: Affection of War to Bitcoin?
Post by: Oceat on January 06, 2020, 04:08:08 PM
Two world wars before nuclear weapons Not yet popular, but now, the world has tens of thousands of nuclear weapons. Pray that World War 3 will not happen because it could be destruction. And bitcoin and humans may also disappear.
I highly doubt that the highest officials will allow the use of nuclear weapons in a war. The effect of radiation is very dangerous to the planet and to the people. I think Iran just plan a retaliation not to the US but only to head of Trump. I don't know if it's true that they put a bounty on the US president's head just to finish the war.

Bitcoin will still get affected if the internet suddenly disappear.


Title: Re: Affection of War to Bitcoin?
Post by: Darooghe on January 06, 2020, 04:42:22 PM
I think Bitcoin is the best place for flight capital and haven capital for those in Iran wishing to protect their assets, and that alone is enough to drive Bitcoin back towards it's previous and all-time highs. Then there is the exaggerated Beta of Bitcoin that will draw in the global speculators and their wall of money, so that in an extended and fraught US and Iran conflict only one thing is certain about the price of Bitcoin and that is, it will be far higher than it is now.


Title: Re: Affection of War to Bitcoin?
Post by: Lauren Smith on January 06, 2020, 06:50:27 PM
There will be much more important things to think about kike surviving. People will be out to work to make the things the army would need for war. No more mining bitcoin bit rather making ammunition or tanks or something. I dont think there will be a ww3 anytime soon so we all still safe. Most of us will probably not be involved anyway. Crypto will take a hit just like every other industry during a war. Crypto is no different.


Title: Re: Affection of World War III to Bitcoin?
Post by: seandiumx20 on January 06, 2020, 07:04:14 PM
I doubt that the people of South-East Asia will join the war because they lack good armies.
Southeast Asia is a peaceful region where there is no war, although they are truly militarily weak
Yes, if there's going to be a 3rd world war, it's only the Americans, Europeans and 2 Asian countries, China and Russia. If you're from South East Asia, just enjoy the market changes and keep an eye on it. Recently, there is a pump happened in the market and I think many investors from the SEA takes it as an opportunity. It is the advantage of certain countries that  do not have too much power, far away from war. The whole world war 3 situation that is spreading in the internet is exaggerated and some of the people think it is very non-sense.


Title: Re: Affection of War to Bitcoin?
Post by: airdnasxela on January 06, 2020, 07:30:37 PM
Two world wars before nuclear weapons Not yet popular, but now, the world has tens of thousands of nuclear weapons. Pray that World War 3 will not happen because it could be destruction. And bitcoin and humans may also disappear.
The present days can be ready dangerous to have war because countries like them are prepared and already invested a lot with different weapons like nuclear weapons. It's really dangerous especially with technological advancement! That's what makes it more scary to think than the effect of it with Bitcoin. You'll have to make sure you're safe first before worrying about the price. There could be mix effect with it. It can rise but in the end might be falling. We'll never know


Title: Re: Affection of War to Bitcoin?
Post by: crzy on January 06, 2020, 09:24:50 PM
Two world wars before nuclear weapons Not yet popular, but now, the world has tens of thousands of nuclear weapons. Pray that World War 3 will not happen because it could be destruction. And bitcoin and humans may also disappear.
Exactly, its not safe for all of us if WW3 happen because of so many advance technologies that can kill many people is just a seconds. Bitcoin can’t become successful if the people holding it already dies because of the war, I can’t imagine the world on this scenario. Let’s hope for a better nation, and stop the war just use bitcoin for a better.


Title: Re: Affection of War to Bitcoin?
Post by: luppecuppe on January 06, 2020, 10:31:28 PM
Remember when the Bitcoin price peaked. There was no war. The US was pursuing a loose dollar policy. How will the battle be reflected in bitcoin? It's hard to know. Bitcoin rises if it is perceived as gold. However, Bitcoin may be adversely affected if the Dollar rises too much.


Title: Re: Affection of War to Bitcoin?
Post by: bangjoe on January 07, 2020, 03:39:44 AM
in the past the concentration of aggression was very thick with the destruction of infrastructure by risking the lives of soldiers. Right now, everything can be melted down with just one nuclear button, or an unmanned drone, that's terrible. the purpose of assets here is to save something that is reliable after the war ends before the internet infrastructure is completely destroyed, and then concentrate on being able to survive, correlatively, bitcoin is the only asset that is neutral and is not influenced by official interests so the value and demand will increase.


Title: Re: Affection of War to Bitcoin?
Post by: seoincorporation on January 07, 2020, 03:56:19 AM
I think a war would bump the bitcoin price because some countries who hit an economic crisis in the war would move all their money or at least a big part of it to bitcoin, other ways banks from other countries could freeze their money.

War moves tons of money and if that money is moved with bitcoin then would be easy to see btc at $100k