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Have you ever sent merits in error or accidentally sent more merits than you intended? Or maybe you sent all your sMerits and emptied your balance...

What did you do next?

Kindly share  ;D

Many users have complaint sending merits by mistake, as I have seen many such threads. But I don't think theymos has revised merits for such mistakes any time before.

Yes I did like I thought I give 1 merit already then suddenly the internet becomes slow then accidentally click again. Now I send him 2merits. Anyway it's okay lots of people here been experiencing that and its inevitable. If that can be revised then it's also good however that would be shamed if youre the receiver then your merit just suddenly deducted due to error of the sender.

How about you OP? Havent you?

The most common or the only mistake meriters usually make is double-send their sMerits to receivers.

Initially they intend to send X sMerits to user A, but then after sending X sMerits to the user A; the meriters refresh their merit page, that unintentionally double-spend their X sMerits. Yes, only occurs in case meriters have unused sMerits in their accounts.

After lots of complaints from community, theymos stepped in and gave a kind of prevention method, by dis-allow sending same amount of sMerits to one post in a specific period of  60 seconds.
Unfortunately, what was lost can not be recovered or refunded so we can only learn from past mistakes and being more careful in the future.

I did merit one guy two times before the system was fixed but it was worth it, he deserved even more.
What I was about to make if you don't pay attention is to send 10 instead of 1 merit, especially when you are on the phone. I normally select this 0 and then just replace it with 1, but one time I didn't select it properly and the marker was before the 0.. so it happen that I tried to sent 10 instead of 1. I didn't pay attention to the number until got the warning that I don't have enough smerit to send.
The guy could have been luckier if I had over 10 smert :)

This has never happened to me, I am always very careful with everything that has to do with cryptocurrency including giving merits in this forum. Given that I am not merit source, every sMerit is precious to me and I try to use it in the best possible way. In case I make a mistake sometime in the future, it will not be a mistake that will worry me too much.

I would very much like to give some people much more than I can, so if anyone gets more than my intention, then consider it a lucky bonus ;)

No, I have never encountered any errors with the merit system, because it doesn't really have a lot of things to make an error. As some people have said, we may have some problems if the internet is slow, but it can be fixed, because we cannot send merit to the same article within 60 seconds. I think sometimes we can send the wrong amount of merit we want, it's still okay  :D

It’s barely ever happened in my case, and nothing noticeable (i.e. no 20 sMerits sent when intending to send 2). Recently I recall sending 2 sMerits when I thought I had typed 1, and last month I merited a post thrice due to page refreshments and having too many tabs open to keep proper control of what I was doing (I even PMd the recipient to explain the weird meriting pattern).

Occasionally it’s the other way round: I under merit a post, and have to wait out the 60 second cooldown period to remerit the post with the intended amount.

All in all, not really an issue in my case either way, and barely ever out of tune with my first intent.

My Mac has some auto-fill-in-feature that sometimes turns a "1" in the merit window into a "10".
I'm not 100% sure I never accidentally submitted that ::)

Nope.  I've sent merit to 143 different profiles and not once to an unintended recipient.  Knowing that, much like Bitcoin itself, mistakes can't be undone, you double check before you send.

//EDIT:  Oh, but like DdmrDdmr said, back when the merit system was first introduced, I originally sent too little, so later revisited those posts and sent more.

Yes.

No, that's never happened to me. Before I was a Merit source I never ran out, and since I am a Merit source they keep coming. Despite that, I am the most generous recent merit sender (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsend) now.

I merited the post I intended to merit. It doesn't happen often, and the post I accidentally merited wasn't bad, so nothing was lost. I think less than 0.1% of my sent Merit was accidental, so it's acceptable as collateral damage.

My mistake was multitasking too much, and losing track.

The one thing I am afraid of, is accidentally sending 10 times what I intend to do: that "0" in the Merit field is often tricky. I've seen "10" or "20" instead of "1" or "2" many times now, but never clicked "Send" without correcting it. Some day, it's bound to happen.

Thankfully I usually have more than 50 sMerits and thus it would be impossible to unload them all at once, because that sounds like something I'd do.

But no, I haven't sent merits to the wrong member before, though I have given more merits than I intended to because of that glitch where if you reload the page after sending them, it duplicates the merit transaction.  I don't know if that bug got fixed or what, but it happened to me in the early days of the merit system, and I've been more careful since then.

There are chances of sending smerit more or less than what you intend to send it might even be more than what you have as a whole or less than it.
But as far as I know it would not be easy to gain back smerit after it has been sent and received by the receiver.

Before the system was fixed (i.e meriters won't be able to merit same post with exact smerit amount within 60 seconds interval), I encountered the double spending issue on numerous occasions as a result of slow connect in my region (Africa) due to my browser just reloading itself but haven't experience same outcome due to the restriction. I also observe if you mistakenly input a figure after the 0 when you want to send smerit, it doesn't affect the amount you intend sending. Noticed that since I have made such mistake before.

Either last month or so, few seconds before I received my monthly allocations I initiated a transaction that unknowingly was more than the earned smerit I had in my account. I was hopefully for the error message to cancel the transaction but suddenly saw the transaction went successfully. Immediately I thought it was a gitch in the system and was about reporting before I recalled it was my MS refilling date.

I do not know about sending less, the bug when you reload the merit page only doubles the merits, it doesn't reduce it. And if you send less, you can just go ahead and merit the post again, there isn't an issue with that imo.

I think many users have made merit-related errors. I awarded one user with a merit and forgot to refresh the thread I was viewing after sending the merit. I continued reading the thread and awarded the same user again. That is the only mistake I made when it comes to awarding merits.

Did it once or twice but the amount wasnt too big so I didn't care. Let's say I sent 5 instead of 1 or something like that. No biggie.

Oh yes, I certainly did on just one occasion and learned a big lesson  ;D



Thank you for the link, I had no idea theymos had made a post stating he added an accidental double-hit protection. A very good idea from theymos to implement that, thank you for linking it. I never experienced that myself but it would nice for the protection to kick-in if any user accidentally does double-hit.



Ah so you sending more merits than you had in your balance saved the day and unfortunately for him he remained unlucky  ;)

Having said that I never used the forum on mobile so thankfully never experienced that form of accidental sending of merits either on mobile or desktop.



Maybe from time to time we all send a lucky bonus but it is mostly in error. I wonder what the largest number of accidental merits ever sent was.

Also, I wonder how many times that maximum number of merits allowed to be sent has been sent to one particular member?



Well, when I did not really understand how merits worked (I had received them but never sent them) I made a mistake.

When I found a reply very helpful to me I saw I had 21 in my balance and well when I sent the merits I sent 21. I did not pay attention to how the merit system worked, never read any specific thread about its functionality so when I sent the merits I thought I would be able to send a maximum of 21 to any number of users and as time went on the 21 would increase... but I was wrong.

So I sent a PM asking the user to kindly send them back as I had zero merits in my balance but he replied stating two things: First, he said it was against forum rules to send them back to me ... and second he said he did not have them anyway and that each merit received was only worth half so if someone sent two merits to him he would receive only one etc. I asked for them back because I was not sure how long it would take me to accumulate them again and they were sent it error - I did not think it was bad etiquettes to ask because it was (I believe the very first time I sent merits) but having said that I would never ask for them back from anybody again if I sent them in error because I am far more clued up on the forum etiquette and its workings now.

I think that was my first experience of sending merits and that was a long time ago, thankfully I have come a long way since then and never made a mistake in sending them in error that I can think of but was curious about others having any similar type of issues or experiences, hence the thread.



Ah yes the good old auto-fill in browsers (or as you said Mac) also could be an accident waiting to happen.

Maybe someday someone will receive your elusive "10" merits when you intended to send "1" merit just when you and they least expect it

I have been sending a lot of Merits recently so errors are becoming more common.
One of the problems is that I am affected by the topics that I got some Merits so that I send them 1 Merit before checking the quality of the post/topic and then when I check its quality I notice that it does not deserve those merits.
Generally, this happens from time to time and at 3% so I think I am sending 10 every month by mistake.

Do the Merits sent by others affect your decision?

I've been very close a few times from putting a number that I intend on giving them in front of the default "0" that is present by default. I think it might be a good idea to remove that to prevent that issue. I don't recall actually ever doing it, but if it wasn't for double checking I could have very easily.

Nah, I don't factor in rank or merits received from others. I merit the post on what I think is deserved. Although, I understand why others would be more inclined to reward users who haven't received merit on mass. I still think rewarding legendary users is important, and its not like they go to complete waste due to the fact that they can redistribute them.

Removing the default value "0" for the amount of sMerit to give away is a good suggestion and I hope that admin will take it into consideration. Sometimes we might be careless a little and make that mistake, sending ten-times of sMerits we intend to give away. In reality, such things don't happen too often, depend on:

• The temporary available sMerits of each meriter
• The double-checking process (as you mention)

So now, to sum up, it seems we have four types of unintentionally sMerit giving away:

• Double-sending: by refreshing merit page after sending the first time. ^[a]
• Ten-fold sending: by typing the amount of sMerit in front of the default value "0" and neither double-check nor delete 0-default value. ^[e]
• Typing wrong amount, but not ten-fold, and sending (lack of double-checking too). It's less serious than the type-2.
• Giving away to multi-posts of one user and make double-send to one or some post(s).

Let's me clarify a little about the type-4:

• Sometimes, when I see a potential good poster, I will visit post or topic history of that one to find out which ones I can send my sMerits too. I will open multiple page to check and merit the one I like, but sometimes I double-spend to one post that I already merit seconds or 1-2 minutes before.

^[a]: theymos solved it, see (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5215249.msg53535113#msg53535113) but to be safe, you should create and maitain a habit to close merit page after sending sMerits.

^[e]: I don't know why people make this mistake. I have never made it. What I usually do when I want to send sMerits?

• Click on Merit+, then open the merit page
• Click on the Merit point box
• Scroll the mouse back to highlight the default value "0".
• Type the amount I intend to send, double check, then click send

The 3^rd step is important to don't unintentionally send ten-fold amount.

Do let us know the name of the lucky recipient when that error is eventually made but like you said if you are merit source you will be fine as you will probably never see your merits run down to zero.



In previous posts that bug was mentioned and yes it is fixed so no chances of anything over 50 being sent to anybody in error now. Keeping 51 or more sMerits at any given time seems like a good idea for those that have them even after sending them out.



It is the alcohol that just might make you do it. Not a good idea, sMerits and alcoholic beverages do not mix   ;)



Congratulations on being a MS and thank you for the explanation.

I suppose any place or in any case where there could connection issues those sorts of double-hit incidents would have occured but as you said the issue has been fixed with a second protection buffer to put a stop to it.



I knew I missing something and not factoring it in.

The fact the merit send function opens in a new page means that after 60 seconds and without a refresh of the page that has the post intended for merit - a double-hit can happen. Well, in that scenario I suppose countless double-hits in error can happen until the sender runs out of merits but so far no other posts have mentioned that.

Come to think of it, I think I have done the same thing on one occasion and sent somebody merits twice for the same post because of either a browser refresh/cancel page pop-up or I did not refresh the page the merit was intended for  ;D

Kinda does, although my personal decisions are always final. Sometimes when I see a post that obviously due to the users reputation is likely to recieve more attention and probably get more amount of merits and also I'm not having much smerit on me, I just skipped but if such post is undermerited, it gets some contributions from me. My meriting number depends totally on the amount of smerits I have. When I have sufficient smerit my merit number increases but when I have insufficient smerits I don't merit above 1 per post.

On other occasions, a post that has been merited get my attention especially when they're replies in unnoticeable areas like Altcoin discussion threads. I'll be like, what has this user contributed that's worth been merited and most times the post also gets merited by me due to its quality. Therefore merit sent by others affects my decision in both ways (on the first occasion, I skip because the post is on a more visible area for others to see and I'm not having sufficient smerit on me while the other, I got attracted due to the fact, the post has been previously merited). The work of a MS isn't an easy one lol.


Not one of the recent sources though thanks, been a MS for like 5/7 months plus or so. You're welcome, we're having a discussion so explanation are always welcome Instead of going straight to the point sometimes lol.

Most of the time from my opinion, the error occured is caused by human error, and this experience micht be regretful butbif we have commited mistake to a right person maybe we could accept that. But if we commited error to some post that doesn't seem to be deserving, then I think a reimbursement of merit is needed.

Yes :( If someone just merited one of my posts, I'm reluctant to merit one of their posts, even though the post deserves it.

For me yes sometimes the merits sent by others does affect my decision. For example, if a particular post deserves to be merited but it already has received many merits from others and there is another post that also deserves a merit but has received none - in case I am running low on merits I would probably send it to the latter and when I have some more merits (providing I remember) I might get back to the earlier post to send a merit.

I have to say I think sending 10 merits a month (which by your own standards are a mistake) seem a very high even if you are sending out nearly 330 merits a month

I experienced this once before sending my merit twice unintentionally just because of refreshing the merit page tab. I didn't know that it is only 60 seconds and if you refresh the tab it will automatically re-send merit(s) the same amount of what you've given to the user that you intended to merit. And now, those mistakes I learned and be careful next when sending merit.

Checking first is a must before giving them merit, it should deserve and constructive to the topic.