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Title: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: TMAN on January 13, 2020, 03:05:04 PM
Should this user be allowed to continue to polute this forum with his bumcheeze posts?

seriously It is high time something is done with this Stink nugget of a user - who else agrees?

should Theymos man up and just delete TOAA/CH off the face of this forum? is it not high time that the useless cuntspaz user is obliterated?

I have the user in question on ignore, but I end up checking threads as users continue to post in its threads, the Ignore button only goes so far./.

I am now requesting OBSERVABLE instances where TOAA has provided any value to this forum. Please can any user Post threads that prove UNDENIABLE OBSERVABLE INSTANCES of proof that TOAA is a net benefit to the forum

Local rule
TOAA may not post in this thread, this thread is about TOAA but I Do not REQUIRE any instances of TOAA posts in this thread.

thanks


Title: Re: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: AB de Royse777 on January 13, 2020, 03:22:13 PM
I am now requesting OBSERVABLE instances where TOAA has provided any value to this forum. Please can any user Post threads that prove UNDENIABLE OBSERVABLE INSTANCES of proof that TOAA is a net benefit to the forum
How do you justify a valuable post I meant what are the parameters that define a post brought value to a community or in a place? I think it's very subjective and your parameters of judging a post is not going to be the same as mine or anyone else.

TOAA has attitude issue which I have mentioned in some other thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5216295.msg53566671#msg53566671) but that does not mean all of his posts (please note: not all) are rubbish. Sometimes he speaks the unpopular truths and problem with us that we find it hard to accept it.  

PS: I thought TOAA has issue only with Chipmixer participants but your one is new :-P

Chipmixer is soon going to need to explain WHY they are sponsoring many scammers supporters and trolls on this forum

These scum bags will do or say anything to keep spamming their chipmixer sigs.

Chipmixer seems to be sponsoring MOST of the dishonest, scammers supporting scum on this forum. That needs to be looked into in the future if that is still the case when we return.

By the way, cheesy jokes aside; for example - I see value here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5216295.0
You or some other my disagree with me and it's totally fine.

Edit: Latest update of Chipmixer allergy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5217246.0


Title: Re: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: TMAN on January 13, 2020, 03:26:10 PM
How do you justify a valuable

Value =/- not anything that TOAA has posted to date on this forum. I have not seen a post that actually benefits anyone other than the users own Trolling mechanism

Moaning and bitching about Sig earnings, merit, trust, DT or any other thing that the pajeet TOAA moans about is not bringing any Value

PROVE ME WRONG


Title: Re: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: The-One-Above-All on January 13, 2020, 03:29:12 PM
Should this user be allowed to continue to polute this forum with his bumcheeze posts?

seriously It is high time something is done with this Stink nugget of a user - who else agrees?

should Theymos man up and just delete TOAA/CH off the face of this forum? is it not high time that the useless cuntspaz user is obliterated?

I have the user in question on ignore, but I end up checking threads as users continue to post in its threads, the Ignore button only goes so far./.

I am now requesting OBSERVABLE instances where TOAA has provided any value to this forum. Please can any user Post threads that prove UNDENIABLE OBSERVABLE INSTANCES of proof that TOAA is a net benefit to the forum

Local rule
TOAA may not post in this thread, this thread is about TOAA but I Do not REQUIRE any instances of TOAA posts in this thread.

thanks


THE READER NEEDS TO INVESTIGATE ALL OF THE LINKS POSTED FOR THEMSELVES

Tman does not have the brain capacity to Realize that until he or anyone here DEBUNKS our points that are often simply observable instances of his auction scamming or friends scamming and scammer supporting actions then you are DEMONSTRATING THEY ARE CLEARLY THE MOST VALUABLE HERE.  LOL

Read about tmans UNDENIABLE auction scamming and scammer supporting deeds here. Of course he wants us banned for presenting these TRUTHS that are of " no value " hahaha
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5170789.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0

Of course those observable instances of tmans auction scamming, extorting, scammer supporting are TROLLING, not valuable and reason to BAN us. Says tman LOL

Mean time Tmans great contributions to the forum are here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5178098.0
Of course though only only swearing is allowed from him.

I mean he is the ONLY person on this forum to admit his own trust abuse LOL what a dumb shit.

Yep theymos quick ban those that present observable instances of scammers wrong doing and present observable instances on the suggestion of those scammers and trust abusers. This is a great strategy for bitcointalk.



Title: Re: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: AB de Royse777 on January 13, 2020, 03:34:02 PM
PROVE ME WRONG
I can not prove you wrong and you can not prove me wrong since we can not say that we have some very common parameters to justify someones post history. Obviously he is not a shitposting bounty hunter, at-least we can agree here.

Moaning and bitching is a part of his character and in a community you can not expect everyone will be gentleman. I personally do not like the way TOAA behaves but I accept the fact that not everyone grown up in the same culture and environment.


Title: Re: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on January 13, 2020, 03:37:09 PM
seriously It is high time something is done with this Stink nugget of a user - who else agrees?
I do.  I'm all for freedom of speech, but there is in fact a rule against trolling here, and I think it's obvious at this point that TOAA is breaking it.  I just noticed a thread about DarkStar_ (though I didn't read it, since I have TOAA on ignore), and it seems like TOAA is attacking anyone and everyone on DT.  And I don't think DarkStar_ out of anyone I can think of on DT has ever done anything to deserve an attack on his reputation.

If members reported threads/posts like this, I'm wondering what the outcome would be.  Probably nothing is my guess, but I do think something ought to be done when a member is trolling as hard as TOAA is.  I've seen other members get banned for less--and I'm not even calling for a ban, just deletion of troll posts/threads.

They're not even cryptohunter. Not that cryptohunter wasn't a nobody, which he was.
I'm pretty sure they're the same person, and I've had a suspicion for a long time that that person is Bruno.  Funny how one disappeared with a grudge against the forum and another appeared, also with a grudge against the forum.

Edit:
I am sure grinder and your local Bukkake parties need your details
LOL.  LOL.  LOL.


Title: Re: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: TMAN on January 13, 2020, 03:43:17 PM
I can not prove you wrong

Exactly - so banhammer for cryptocunt/TOAA

~

winner

~

#Winning


CH please give me an email of yours, I am sure grinder and your local Bukkake parties need your details


Title: Re: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: nutildah on January 13, 2020, 03:49:18 PM
They're not even cryptohunter. Not that cryptohunter wasn't a nobody, which he was.
I'm pretty sure they're the same person, and I've had a suspicion for a long time that that person is Bruno.  Funny how one disappeared with a grudge against the forum and another appeared, also with a grudge against the forum.

According to TOAA, they're not the same person, but of course in reality they are.

TOAA is NOT Bruno. No chance in hell. Take it from someone who knows Bruno personally that they're not the same person. Bruno never disappeared -- he was quite active in my BSV Scam Accusation thread as Phinnaeus Gage until very recently.

Also, Bruno doesn't have a grudge against the forum. Just certain moderators. He also feels his tags for account sales are unjust, and it was discouraging for him. Kind of knocked the wind out of his sails. After having been a scambuster for 6 years and receiving no compensation for it in the process, he doesn't feel he has anything to gain from continuing to post here, given that busted scammers were harassing him and his family, trying to make his life difficult in any way they could.

Please, don't compare Bruno to this useless asscrack.


Title: Re: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: TMAN on January 13, 2020, 03:54:42 PM
enough of the off topic posts please- also guys I encourage you all to ignore TOAA and report all of his off topic posts.

TOAA is breaking local rules yet again, lets hope this is enough for the Admin to finally step up and ban this useless cuntwank of a user.



Title: Re: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on January 13, 2020, 03:56:18 PM
TOAA is NOT Bruno. No chance in hell. Take it from someone who knows Bruno personally that they're not the same person. Bruno never disappeared -- he was quite active in my BSV Scam Accusation thread until very recently.
OK, I'll take your word for it then.  It isn't just the grudge thing, it's also their style of writing which borders on craziness at times.  I've always respected Bruno for his detective work in busting scammers, which I remember from my early days on the forum.  Even with my suspicion that he was behind the CH/TOAA accounts, I'd hoped it wasn't true because those two members are just being vicious against members who don't deserve it.  I didn't figure Bruno would stoop to doing that even if he did feel like he was being attacked some months back, but it did make me wonder.

Anyway, as I said I'll take you vouching for Bruno as fact and I'll put it out of my mind.  

also guys I encourage you all to ignore TOAA and report all of his off topic posts.
Oh, I've got him on ignore and have for quite a while now.  And since I don't read any of his posts, I don't think I'll be in a good position to note which of his turds are off topic.  I'd like to report him for trolling, but I think it would be a waste of time.


Title: Re: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: qwk on January 13, 2020, 04:00:06 PM
I am now requesting OBSERVABLE instances where TOAA has provided any value to this forum.
Well, he certainly adds to the word count. :P


Title: Re: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: nutildah on January 13, 2020, 04:06:36 PM
TOAA is NOT Bruno. No chance in hell. Take it from someone who knows Bruno personally that they're not the same person. Bruno never disappeared -- he was quite active in my BSV Scam Accusation thread until very recently.
OK, I'll take your word for it then.  It isn't just the grudge thing, it's also their style of writing which borders on craziness at times.  I've always respected Bruno for his detective work in busting scammers, which I remember from my early days on the forum.  Even with my suspicion that he was behind the CH/TOAA accounts, I'd hoped it wasn't true because those two members are just being vicious against members who don't deserve it.  I didn't figure Bruno would stoop to doing that even if he did feel like he was being attacked some months back, but it did make me wonder.

Anyway, as I said I'll take you vouching for Bruno as fact and I'll put it out of my mind.  

Thanks... I like Bruno quite a bit, I know him IRL, I know most of his alt accounts, so it doesn't make sense that I would say I think TOAA is a complete ass nozzle. Having said that, yes, Bruno is batshit insane sometimes, albeit in a more sophisticated and entertaining manner. A big difference between Bruno and TOAA is Bruno actually had a positive impact here (or any impact at all, really).

Bruno always admits when he's posting from an alt, as well. A stark contrast from CH.

Sorry TMAN, this is my last one.


Title: Re: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: TMAN on January 13, 2020, 04:09:48 PM
Well, he certainly adds to the word count. :P

I could just get drunk and spam the keyboard if the forum needs a higher word count.. would make just as much sense as the shit that TOAA posts


Sorry TMAN, this is my last one.


Your good dude, but the cuntsmouth TOAA isnt


Title: Re: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: TMAN on January 13, 2020, 04:53:55 PM
I’ll continue to encourage everyone to ignore TOAA and report all off topic posts. Theymos quoted his number of deleted posts before and warned TOAA that if it continued then action may happen. So everyone please do not encourage the troll by engaging in conversation. Just report all posts that are in any way off topic (all of them)



Title: Re: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: nutildah on January 13, 2020, 05:02:08 PM
I’ll continue to encourage everyone to ignore TOAA and report all off topic posts. Theymos quoted his number of deleted posts before and warned TOAA that if it continued then action may happen. So everyone please do not encourage the troll by engaging in conversation. Just report all posts that are in any way off topic (all of them)

Reported. He's clearly breaking your local rules. He has no respect for the forum, or anything. Don't know what he's trying to accomplish besides getting everybody to hate him (which is one of the definitions of a troll if I'm not mistaken).


Title: Re: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: The-One-Above-All on January 13, 2020, 05:05:20 PM
I’ll continue to encourage everyone to ignore TOAA and report all off topic posts. Theymos quoted his number of deleted posts before and warned TOAA that if it continued then action may happen. So everyone please do not encourage the troll by engaging in conversation. Just report all posts that are in any way off topic (all of them)



SEEMS like a sneaky weaponzing way to try and get people banned does it not LOL

When does he say telling the on topic truth and refuting lies being told about yourself means you get banned?

How about banning auction scammers and extortionists and self confessed trust abusers??

How about your stop begging for people to prevent the truth being exposed about you and your pals.

People can read the links we have provided. This is clearly on topic to defend against the FALSE narrative that you are they are trying to push on honest readers of this forum

Banning an account will never ban the truth. We hope even your tiny brain can understand this.

How dishonest can you get. Start a topic making false accusations about people and then claiming their truths about you and your motivations and pointing out that your claims are bogus are OFF TOPIC.

Hahaha  ECHO CHAMBER here we come.

BREAKING WHAT LOCAL RULES?? you all cry you can not ban people from defending claims against them remember THAT IS ABUSE you cry.

I clearly state the initial  post by tman the auction scammer and extortionist is motivated by him wanting to silence whistleblowing and also is it all completely false.

Sorry if that seems off topic or against the rules.


Title: Re: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: TheNewAnon135246 on January 13, 2020, 07:18:23 PM
Should this user be allowed to continue to polute this forum with his bumcheeze posts?

seriously It is high time something is done with this Stink nugget of a user - who else agrees?

should Theymos man up and just delete TOAA/CH off the face of this forum? is it not high time that the useless cuntspaz user is obliterated?

I have the user in question on ignore, but I end up checking threads as users continue to post in its threads, the Ignore button only goes so far./.

I am now requesting OBSERVABLE instances where TOAA has provided any value to this forum. Please can any user Post threads that prove UNDENIABLE OBSERVABLE INSTANCES of proof that TOAA is a net benefit to the forum

Local rule
TOAA may not post in this thread, this thread is about TOAA but I Do not REQUIRE any instances of TOAA posts in this thread.

thanks


In one of his latest thread he said that he won't return after 2 days. Just ignore him for the coming 48 hours and see if he is provably (dis)honest.

We shall likely NOT return at all again after the next 2 days.


Title: Re: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on January 13, 2020, 07:19:32 PM
Check my thread guys -

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5217303.0


Title: Re: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: nutildah on January 14, 2020, 03:40:06 AM
In one of his latest thread he said that he won't return after 2 days. Just ignore him for the coming 48 hours and see if he is provably (dis)honest.

We shall likely NOT return at all again after the next 2 days.

He'll be back. He has absolutely nothing better to do than be a dick to strangers on the internet, as demonstrated by his hundreds of thousand-word, rabid squirrel diarrhea posts that nobody reads. You can't take anything he has to say seriously.


Title: Re: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: xolxol on January 15, 2020, 05:23:54 AM
Should this user (TMAN) * be allowed to continue to polute this forum with his bumcheeze posts?

should Theymos man up and just delete (TMAN)* off the face of this forum? is it not high time that the useless cuntspaz user is obliterated?

thank me for correcting your brainless skull.


Title: Re: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: Timelord2067 on January 15, 2020, 06:01:26 AM
They're not even cryptohunter. Not that cryptohunter wasn't a nobody, which he was.
I'm pretty sure they're the same person, and I've had a suspicion for a long time that that person is Bruno.  Funny how one disappeared with a grudge against the forum and another appeared, also with a grudge against the forum.



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In one of his latest thread he said that he won't return after 2 days. Just ignore him for the coming 48 hours and see if he is provably (dis)honest.

We shall likely NOT return at all again after the next 2 days.

(down to eleven hours Bruno)



TOAA is NOT Bruno. No chance in hell. Take it from someone who knows Bruno personally that they're not the same person. Bruno never disappeared -- he was quite active in my BSV Scam Accusation thread as Phinnaeus Gage until very recently.

OK., thanks for stopping by.


Title: Re: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: nutildah on January 15, 2020, 06:35:58 AM
I must be the only one that can see:

Sometimes a coincidence is just a coincidence.

Why would Bruno be nice to me as Phinnaeus Gage and a raging asshole as TOAA? Makes no sense.

Regardless, TOAA already has a confirmed alt: cryptohunter. And as I said before, Bruno never kept his alts a secret or denied they were his.


Title: Re: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: TMAN on January 15, 2020, 06:44:22 AM
@TL whist generally I don’t believe in coincidences this isn’t solid proof especially when Theymos stares TOAA =cryptocunter.

Not saying you are 100% wrong but need more than just a join date


Title: Re: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: Timelord2067 on January 15, 2020, 07:58:56 AM
I must be the only one that can see:

Sometimes a coincidence is just a coincidence.

Why would Bruno be nice to me as Phinnaeus Gage and a raging asshole as TOAA? Makes no sense.

Regardless, TOAA already has a confirmed alt: cryptohunter. And as I said before, Bruno never kept his alts a secret or denied they were his.

You're being played - same as when Bruno sold one account to SuchMoon and then carried on as though nothing had happened.


Title: Re: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: nutildah on January 15, 2020, 09:31:52 AM
You're being played - same as when Bruno sold one account to SuchMoon and then carried on as though nothing had happened.

 ::)

We both know that's not exactly what happened.

What's more likely is you're letting your penchant for indulging in paranoid fantasy and conspiracy get in the way of your ability to think rationally, as you are wont to do.

If you can produce anything concrete other than a single shared date, you would have by now, but you can't, because Bruno and CH are not the same people.


Title: Re: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: hilariousetc on January 15, 2020, 11:11:09 AM
They're not even cryptohunter. Not that cryptohunter wasn't a nobody, which he was.
I'm pretty sure they're the same person, and I've had a suspicion for a long time that that person is Bruno.  Funny how one disappeared with a grudge against the forum and another appeared, also with a grudge against the forum.



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Nah. Both are trolls but PG is more intelligent and entertaining as annoying as he may be. Cryptohunter is a special type of moron who has gone full retard. I think he actually goes way past being a troll and actually has some mental issues that have either been caused or certainly exacerbated by this forum hence his need for validation from everyone here and his desperate over-compensating. Whilst I can see why you suspect them as going awol and another account signing up the same time is a bit suspicious, if we were going by that then there's lot of other accounts that you could link, but that alone isn't enough proof especially given the lack of anything else tying them together and dates of users registered/going awol can be deceptive and misleading. I used to think that Big Boobies talkinDoubleD and Nigerian CocoPalm Farmer belonged to the same group of trolls as The-One-Above-All/Cryptohunter but that was very likely not the case as other evidence presented itself over time:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2579977 Big Boobies talkinDoubleD     April 11, 2019
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2580397 Nigerian CocoPalm Farmer April 11, 2019
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2580400     The-One-Above-All     April 11, 2019

They all had a beef with signature campaigns and made the same sorts of threads complaining about mods and given their registration dates it looked very compelling. The-One-Above-All's first post was even a response to a thread Nigerian CocoPalm Farmer created: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5130756.msg50561852#msg50561852

But it was just a coincidence and they were actually a separate group belonging to this guy that was exposed eventually: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5184777.msg52461972#msg52461972


Title: Re: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: TMAN on January 15, 2020, 11:52:02 AM
PG is more intelligent

This, he has a brain on him, TOAA/CH just regurgitates the same fucking words with his stupid bold and colors


Title: Re: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on January 15, 2020, 12:18:33 PM
PG is more intelligent

This, he has a brain on him, TOAA/CH just regurgitates the same fucking words with his stupid bold and colors

Many observable instances are provided, TMAN. Don’t forget about them :D
Isn’t he fucking off today any way, pretty sure he told us he was going to disappear in 48 hours.

Meta should be a much more relaxed setting without his cuntwaffle ;)


Title: Re: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: pugman on January 15, 2020, 03:51:56 PM
According to TOAA, they're not the same person, but of course in reality they are.

TOAA is NOT Bruno. No chance in hell. Take it from someone who knows Bruno personally that they're not the same person. Bruno never disappeared -- he was quite active in my BSV Scam Accusation thread as Phinnaeus Gage until very recently.

Also, Bruno doesn't have a grudge against the forum. Just certain moderators. He also feels his tags for account sales are unjust, and it was discouraging for him. Kind of knocked the wind out of his sails. After having been a scambuster for 6 years and receiving no compensation for it in the process, he doesn't feel he has anything to gain from continuing to post here, given that busted scammers were harassing him and his family, trying to make his life difficult in any way they could.

Please, don't compare Bruno to this useless asscrack.
I can confirm on this, Bruno is definitely not TOAA/Cryptohunter. I have spoken with Bruno on Pm and on telegram, and he definitely doesn't sound like TOAA. Also, bruno has weird/distinguishable humor, while TOAA can't handle any form of humor. It sucks what happened with Bruno, but TOAA is just a full-blown retard.

Also, as for banning TOAA, wasn't anonymint banned for excessive trolling?? Or am I wrong? That thing is so old, I can't remember.

But if anonymint was banned for trolling, can't TOAA be banned too? I mean,to be fair, he has broken rules several times.


Title: Re: assfelchingspazwongle The One Below All
Post by: AbelBaricStevenson on January 15, 2020, 11:26:44 PM
They're not even cryptohunter. Not that cryptohunter wasn't a nobody, which he was.
I'm pretty sure they're the same person, and I've had a suspicion for a long time that that person is Bruno.  Funny how one disappeared with a grudge against the forum and another appeared, also with a grudge against the forum.



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In one of his latest thread he said that he won't return after 2 days. Just ignore him for the coming 48 hours and see if he is provably (dis)honest.

We shall likely NOT return at all again after the next 2 days.

(down to eleven hours Bruno)



TOAA is NOT Bruno. No chance in hell. Take it from someone who knows Bruno personally that they're not the same person. Bruno never disappeared -- he was quite active in my BSV Scam Accusation thread as Phinnaeus Gage until very recently.

OK., thanks for stopping by.

Can the local time say different if the same one ?
pugmon say different voice on phone when speak with them, can't change voice.

Both know long history of forum events from years past. Long lasting members both. All different or one is all. Does any one do a scam? Bruno is ban? Not post from long time. If not scam we leave it alone. Arguing is okay. All forum get e same and member enjoy to read it. Swearing can slow down to gain a best result.