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I'm planning to purchase a Ledger to play around with. The only upgrades on the Nano X seem to be capacity (for running more altcoin apps on the same device) and Bluetooth capability. Is that correct?

$59 for the Nano S sounds more reasonable given the lack of new functionality on the Nano X. Are there any other considerations to make?

The Nano X has a slightly better screen - its backlight is better and it's bigger so you can slowly read anything displayed on the screen (addresses do not fit on the Nano S; the text constantly moves). Also, it has a USB-C port - a small thing which might be important for some people. I don't like having a lot of different cables.

If you are planning to bring it everywhere you go, Nano X does a great job with it. Imagine having to be able to transact without any need for cords and stuff. You need your smartphone installed with Ledger Live, and you are good to go. You can manage any cryptocurrency right on your phone. The battery life is good as well. It could last a month, depending on your usage as well.

Overall, I would get the Nano X because of the convenience of it. If you are going to get a hardware wallet, why not get the best one out there?

I would buy a Nano S.

The best has no big difference, and personally I would not carry my saving around where I go.
It is likely that someone could try to rob me (physically) if I keep carrying a stuff like this around, and force me to give my Bitcoins. I live in Brazil, maybe you don't have that problem where you live.

Anyway, I see no good reason to upgrade. You can have 3 blockchains installed. I have in mine BTC ETH and XRP, they work very well, and I can carry all my shitcoins in the Eth chain.

I like to keep some money in my mobile device, so I can have some bitcoins wherever I go. I was never able to buy anything with those bitcoins, but I was able to give them as a gift to some friends (to people I could not convince to buy BTC, so I gave them lol). I see no reason to carry a hardware wallet around.... Unless you have 2.

The bolded sounds a bit maddening. Thanks for pointing that out! I'd definitely prefer a screen that displays entire addresses.

Too bad I missed those Black Friday deals. Anyone have one of those 20% discount codes for me? Shoot me a PM, thanks! :)

I see you've decide yourself, still... I think that Nano X price makes sense only if you want to indeed use the bigger memory (big number of wallets/apps).

I have Nano S. The addresses and amounts indeed don't fill in the screen and they auto-scroll to let you read, but imho it's not that bad. Edit: from what I see with the newest firmware even this is changed to better
And with any 0.5$ OTG adapter the cable works with the smartphone too.

They actually changed this with the new 1.6 firmware. The address no longer moves on its own. It still doesn't fit the screen but it is divided in 3 parts. Once you check the beginning of the address you click on the right button to see the middle part and again to see the last couple of digits.

For me personally, the Bluetooth option is no reason to go for Nano X over the Nano S. I take my hardware wallet out of its hiding only when I need to receive/send coins. I have no intentions to carry it with me.

The bigger capacity also means nothing to me. Who really owns 100+ coins? I am not sure I could name 100 different coins and tokens if I had to.

It is nice not having to install/uninstall your apps due to a lack of storage on the Nano S but they fixed that as well with the newest firmware. 6-10 apps at the same time, depending on the app combination should be possible.
 

Unless you desperately need Bluetooth functionality (and the Ledger Nano S is still compatible with non-Apple phones via a cable), then I don't think it's worth paying double the price for the Nano X unfortunately. I'd rather buy two Nano S models for the price of one Nano X, and use one as an off-site back up.

I had wanted a Nano X for a while to play with and relegate my current Nano S to back up, but ended up just getting another Nano S in the Christmas sales. The storage space is only an issue if you hold a ton of useless alts, in which case you should just sell them for bitcoin anyway. :P And as Pmalek says, the address doesn't scroll anymore - you just check each part separately.

You definitely missed a good discount for Black Friday (last day they give 35%). Some have already written to you about the benefits of Nano X, and there's not much to add. What I, as the owner of the Nano S and Nano X, can say is that it makes sense to buy a Nano X if you consider that it is a new device with a lot more inertial memory than the S model and that Ledger is likely to base further development on this model.

Don't get me wrong, the Nano S is a pretty good device and serves a purpose, and in the end, it all depends on how much money you want to invest in the safety of your coins.

This is a small review of my Nano X : Ledger Nano X - Review of the package. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5207484.0)

That may well be true, but the screen isn't used for all that much on the Nano S as far as I can tell, at least for basic sending and receiving of coins.  It functions and looks just fine IMO, and I'm not sure I'd care all that much if the Nano X had a better display. 

Yeah, that's the main reason why I haven't bought an X, because I don't need the additional functionality it offers and I'm not willing to pay the extra money for something that isn't necessary.  I really like the "Over the Moon" model, though and I was considering getting one if it ever went on sale, but it never did.  Oh well, not a big deal.  Ultimately if I were someone who was going to buy a Ledger for the first time and for whom cost was a factor, I'd definitely go with the Nano S. 

Don't worry about this. You need to see the entire address
You don't need to check the whole address.  Just take a look at the first ones and last ones. And staring in the screen for a few seconds is not maddening at all...

Definitely I would buy 2 nano s if I wished to pay the double price (the x model)

That's the other nice thing -- iOS support for the Nano X. I have a Huawei but the primary phone I carry everywhere is an Iphone. Not that I really see myself transacting on the go much, but combined with the Bluetooth functionality it could be quite useful.

The consensus around here definitely leans in favor of the Nano S. I'm still a bit torn, considering the bigger screen and iOS support.

Thanks for you opinions!

I also wrote a caparison review (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5207484.msg53340064#msg53340064) in Lucius' review thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5207484.0).  For my needs (bitcoin maximalist) and considering how infrequently I travel without a computer, I came to the conclusion that the Nano S serves the purpose.  I actually prefer the competition's hardware wallet for various reasons, but that's a personal decision that amounts to six in one and half dozen in the other.

If the extra expense for the Nano X isn't a big deal for you, it's a nicer unit and you won't be disappointed.  I will say that the bigger screen is easier on my aging eyes.  The various upgrades do make the Nano X worth the extra expense, but like anything, only if you put them to use.  If the money is an issue for you, and you don't own a bunch of alt-coins stick with the Nano S.  

What about the hardware in the new Nano X compared to the Nano S. Did they make any significant changes in the secure element and the storage of private keys? Can the new device be considered safer in any way compared to the S model? Does anyone have some more info on that?

Have you tried the one from here, does it not work anymore?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5216810.0

they upgraded to a newer secure element but both are CC EAL5+ certified (the highest level for penetration testing) so it's unlikely to make much of a difference.

if anything, using bluetooth could open up new attack vectors---i'm mainly thinking about privacy since the bluetooth stack can transport pubkeys and addresses.

I believe that price is a crucial factor influencing this opinion and the very fact that X&S does not make much difference when considering the basic functions. Both devices have as their main function complete protection and isolation of the private keys, and both devices do the same in the same way. If you look at things from that angle alone, the Nano S is a logical choice.

In my opinion, one of the most important advantages of Nano X is its significantly larger storage, which will allow further development in the future. S model is far more limited in this regard, what I took into consideration when buying model X.

It's always been fascinating to see people buying expensive smartphones for $500+, but at the same time, they consider hardware wallets that cost less than $100 an expensive investment.

Nano S is better for me by security reasons, as I don`t like the wireless feature: it`s too vulnerable point of the X version and will ever be.
Nano X is just more comfortable with the better screen, lights and screen dimentions. However I don`t think they worth the security risk.

to be fair, you can simply disable bluetooth on the nano X and use the USB-C cable instead. you can use it just like a nano S except with the better screen, backlight, IOS device support, etc.

the bluetooth functionality can't compromise private keys, which are still held within the secure element. even if your bluetooth connection were hacked, your consent is still required to sign a malicious transaction.


still can't find much info about this, but according to this techcrunch article: (https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/09/hands-on-with-ledgers-bluetooth-crypto-hardware-wallet/)

That is what I think as well. There haven't been any issues with the Bluetooth service... yet. That doesn't mean there isn't one that hasn't been discovered yet. So I look at this way. The Bluetooth is one additional security risk, a possible one. I'd rather keep the risks as limited as possible. Sorry if I sound to negative ;)

With latest firmware update it looks like that capacity for Ledger Nano S is also larger now,
and Ledger advertises Nano X for traveling and Nano S for home usage.
It would be great to have both, and there where some packages like this as holiday sale.

In any case they sent me 20% discount code valid until Jan 19, 11:59PM CET if anyone wants to use it
*Available until January 24th

The latest firmware for Nano S has definitely fixed things regarding the number of coin applications that can be installed at the same time, but Nano X has (according to Ledger) "ten times more available storage" then Nano S. This gives it a great advantage not only in terms of number of applications but also in its further development because it is not limited with storage as S model.

Nano X is the best choice for those who not trust mobile wallets too much or they are scared of some malware, so you can always have coins in a safe environment and make payments on the go without using OTG cable. Although some consider Bluetooth as a potential attack vector, I don't think Ledger makes something that is very easy to hack.

Now when I have both, I have a much greater sense of security on my smartphone than before with Electrum.

Based on my research, the Ledger Nano X also has an improved design, since the buttons are now on the front of the device (next to the screen), rather than on the side of it where you fingers can get in the way of the screen.

Also, as far as I'm aware, it uses a USB-C lead rather than MicroUSB, which makes it compatible with most modern phones/tablets without requiring an OTG cable.

May i ask how much you paid for the nano ledger s when they had the black friday discount?  On ledger site now, it shows 59.99 for nano ledger s before tax/duty.  I got mine about 2 years ago and paid over 130 at least i believe. 


Did you get 35% off on the nano ledger x or s?  How many do you own?  Im shocked nano ledger s is only 59.99 before tax/duty and shipping and seems shipping is free if you don't want it expedited?  Also it ships from France right?  I recall i ordered it expedited and it came from France 2 years ago.



If you already have a nano ledger s and want a 2nd one, you say always get another nano ledger s as oppose to the x right?



Also people talk about traveling with it.  So if you are a frequent traveler, go with the X?  But by that, what is meant by it?  Like using it in public etc?


Because you can't send btc with your nano ledger s unless you have it connected to a computer only right?  Or you could actually connect it to your iphone and that would work as well?  I only connect my ledger s nano to my laptop.

Okay so right now you can keep 6-10 apps on the nano ledger s.  Is there a reason its a range of 6 to 10?  Do some apps use more which is why? 


So with the black friday/christmas sales, it was possible to get the nano ledger s like 45 dollars?  Again the price now is 59.99 and im shocked the price is this low compared to back then.

The Black Friday discount in 2019 was 30%. In 2018 it was 50%. There is currently a Valetine's deal on for both a Nano X and a Nano S for $119.

The Nano X model has Bluetooth capabilities, so it is easier and more convenient to use on the go with a smartphone.

The Nano S is compatible with Android phones via an OTG cable, but iOS won't let the Nano S connect to Apple devices. If you own an iPhone, and would like to pair your hardware wallet with your phone rather than with your laptop, then you will need the Nano X model.

Yes. Some apps require more space than others. It also depends on which combination of apps you install. Forks of BTC such as LTC and BCH use much of the same code that bitcoin does, and so those sections do not need to be installed twice.

Thanks for the long response.



Wait, but was the nano ledger S price 59.99 before the 30% discount?  You say there was a 50% discount in 2018 but this was when the ledger was selling for over 129 dollars right?  I got mine in early 2018 at retail price and paid for expedited shipping cost more than 130 at least i believe.  Right now the current price for nano ledger s is already so low compared to 2 years ago.


I had no idea you could connect your nano ledger s to a phone but only android phone and not IPHONE.  That is insane.  But for even traders, do many get the X as oppose to S for this reason?


Thanks for that info on the apps.  I mean 6-10 coins is already a good amount.  Btw do you have 1 nano ledger s and one X?  If you only own just one nano ledger s, would you say its good idea to buy a backup nano ledger s now since the price is already low?  I mean 60 dollars before tax/shipping seem so low compared to what i paid years ago.  Also are there ppl that buy 2 nano s and keep like half their crypto in each hardwallet wallet... or is that bad idea?  Someone in a thread said if a person has like 15 btc which is a ton, they should get 5 wallets and put 3 in each.  That seems a bit overboard right?

Horses for courses, jerry... ask 10 different people the "best" way to utilise hardware wallets like the Nano S and Nano X and you'll probably get 11 different answers.

Everyone is different, has different requirements and uses their hardware wallets in different ways. Stop worrying about what everyone else is doing and figure out what exactly you want/need and then investigate the solutions that best fit your requirements. ::)

Yes, it was, so $42 after discount.

The price at the time was $100, so $50 after discount.

No. I have several S models but no X models. I don't care for most altcoins so have no need for the larger storage, and have a phone which is compatible with the Nano S, so no need for Bluetooth either. As nice as it would be to have the latest model, it's not worth the price for me for features I don't need and wouldn't use.

I like having backup wallets in addition to having my seed backed up on paper, and store them in different locations. Having said that, the more wallets you have, the more chance of one of them being discovered or stolen.

As HCP has said, find out what works for you. Some people duplicate the same wallet across different devices, some split their coins across multiple wallets, some use multiple passphrases, some use multisig, some use a combination of all of these, etc.

Hey all.  So no matter what I will get a new hardware wallet because my nano ledger s doesn't turn on anymore. 


Is getting the nano s still the preferred option here as oppose to the nano x?

I posted in this thread earlier in the year, and since then I finally bought a Nano X which I said I wouldn't do--but it was an impulse buy and a long story behind it, too.

There are members here with far more knowledge than me when it comes to HW wallets and the pros and cons of the Ledger X vs. S, but from reading your posts I think a Nano S would serve your purposes just fine, and it's a lot cheaper.  I haven't really seen any obvious advantages in the X except for being able to display more accounts on the screen, and I like the size and heft of it.  But if I didn't have a HW wallet and was in the market to buy a Ledger, I would definitely go with the Nano S.  I guess if I owned a ton of altcoins I might find the Nano X preferable, but I don't, and even if I did there still wouldn't be any real problems, just inconveniences.

Best of luck with whatever you buy, and may your device not have any problems that keep you up at night.

What are the additional pros of the nano x vs the s?  It cost 130 for the nano x and 85 for the nano s.  For me, the nano s was fine when it worked.  I see you could do up to 20 coins on the nano s and up to 100 on the x?  I dont have more than 5 different coins max so i would not need 100 different coins etc.


But could you use the nano ledger x without a computer?  The one issue i see with the nano ledger s is if you want to transfer btc while outside and not having your computer, you can't do that.  But i recall there was a device where you could do it on the go without any thing... is that the nano ledger x or is that something else?  I think that is the nano ledger blue or something like that? I recalled it had a big screen like an ipad.

The Nano S is currently listed for $59. You can always find a code to get a discount though, usually around 20%. Ask on here or on https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/.

The limit is far less than 20 now, and it was only ever that high if you picked specific coins (for example, all the forks of BTC, since they use many of the same dependencies). If you want to install totally different coins like BTC, ETH, and XMR, then you are probably limited to 3 or 4 coins at once on the Nano S. It is trivial to uninstall and reinstall different coins, though.

The Nano X has bluetooth and can therefore be used with any smartphone which also has bluetooth. The Nano S does not have bluetooth, but can be used with a cable with Android phones (but not Apple phones).

Thanks for response.  I saw some codes discount on reddit.  But its hundred percent safe to use it right?  So the ppl that offer these codes, they basically get a percentage each time someone buys a nano ledger product like a referal?


Okay so with a nano ledger s, you always need a laptop with you to send the btc right?  But with the ledger x... its basically on the go... if you want to send it to someone in public without having a computer, well you can?  Now with the nano ledger x... you can always use it connected to a computer like with the nano ledger s right?

iOS users are out of luck but Android users can connect Ledger Nano S via USB and use it just like Ledger Nano X. Please note that both your phone and cable need to support OTG, which shouldn't be a problem these days.


Yes, there is no other way since Bluetooth connectivity is currently supported only on the mobile version of Ledger Live.

Yes.



No, you just need a device to connect your nano s to via USB.
This can be your laptop, desktop system or an android mobile via USB OTG.



Yes.
The nano x does not only have a bluetooth interface, but a USB interface too.

Although the question was asked a long time ago, it may now be relevant if the purchase of a new device is planned. I got a total discount of 35% then, and the postage was free - so I paid a total of about $90 which seemed like a very decent discount to me.

A lot has already been written about what X has compared to S, but as we can see with the latest firmware update what X has is quite a large storage, while S has to face user criticism for losing 4kb.

In the long run, the new model has its advantages - but from the perspective of "I don't need Bluetooth, a bigger screen and more storage", the old Nano S is quite a good buy.

The Nano S can also use on smartphones with at least Android 7 Nougat using an OTG cable ^[1], currently not possible for iOS users ^[2].

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/17/blob94319c8ae35959fb.png
^[1] https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/360021488913-Connect-Ledger-Nano-S-or-Ledger-Blue (https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/360021488913-Connect-Ledger-Nano-S-or-Ledger-Blue)
^[2] https://www.ledger.com/ledger-goes-mobile-ledger-live-app-now-available-for-ios-and-android-smartphones (https://www.ledger.com/ledger-goes-mobile-ledger-live-app-now-available-for-ios-and-android-smartphones)

On the Nano X (other than using Bluetooth), I have tried connecting using a cable (OTG) to a smartphone. Of course, this could come in handy when the Nano X's battery life is already out of date (about five years (https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/360019293913-Maximize-battery-life)).

Currently, the Bluetooth connection feature on Nano X cannot be used on a computer.
I once tried to use it on a MacBook using Bluetooth, the name of the Ledger Nano X device was not detected.
However, I have tried to connect the Nano X to a MacBook using a cable while also connecting it to a smartphone using Bluetooth, both of which function without disconnecting one of them.