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As I have requested before, a feature that automatically quotes the subject of the OP would be a preferable default than the one that currently exists. It is way too easy for users to make their own subject heading that others will mindlessly quote, thus hijacking the subject heading and distracting from and confusing the subject of the topic. Can we please finally get this fixed by making a subject heading automatically mirror the op? Again, I don't mean remove the ability to edit it, I mean by default it copies the OP heading. This flaw is too often abused.


EDIT: I am really not sure exactly what is so hard to understand about this concept. I am not suggesting locking the subject heading or preventing people from editing it if they so choose. All I am suggesting, is that when people reply, instead of quoting the subject heading of what they reply to, it quotes the subject heading of the original post, which then if they so choose they can edit anyway. This filters out the ability for people to essentially abuse people's lackadaisical approach to the subject heading and prevents it from being hijacked, and everyone still gets to post whatever they like.

AFAIK, the subject heading does copy that of the OP when someone replies to it. Then one can change it if they want to. The subject heading above this reply now mirrors that of your original post without me editing it.
Is that what you mean or am I getting it wrong?

Edit: It took me a while to get the point. I believe the OP was asking for a feature that allows replies to show the original thread title and not that of the post it is quoting, even if the quoted post has an edited title.

Read the title of my post. This is what he means.

I ask this seriously: is it really abused that often?  Maybe I haven't noticed it because it's a problem in sections I don't visit that you do (like P&S, which I think you post in), but I haven't seen members changing the thread title all that much.  Or it could be that I'm just not paying attention to it since there's really no need to.

I think when you brought this up last time I supported the idea and I still do.  It's a small change, but there's really no reason why someone ought to be able to modify a thread's title in their post.  Having a title for your post on any discussion board is annoying and unnecessary, especially if you're required to put something in that field--and on bitcointalk I don't see any reason why we even need a title repeated with every post.

Can't that be seen as an opportunity rather than calling it a hijack? I mean what is the problem even if someone changes it (I know that all the replies ahead will have the same title added below if a poster doesn't notice the change). I still see it as a way to use it as a subject of what you are going to say, so you need to describe less in your content box here (well everyone thinks differently) but alike TP, I've also not noticed any such abusive instances for the same. Can you bring attention to some here?

The only difference will be when some one quotes another user, the subject is automatically a mirror of the op so that people don't inadvertently perpetuate the subject heading of others not posting the op heading. Nothing is stopping you from editing your subject heading if you so choose. I am not interested in providing examples as all it will do is serve the users perpetuating these kind of hijackings (hint: some of them are here, also note this reply heading).

Somehow I can't see it catching on

Ha ha, I just now noticed, now that I read this thread I'm thinking "Hmm, Nullius does this a lot" and check that last thread..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221450.20

Kinda funny and it seems nobody really checks it.. I rarely notice changes in titles like that and it looks like he got almost everyone in the thread..

You can change the topic of a thread using the following procedure:
Click on "move topic"
Check "Change the topic's subject."
Check "Change every message's subject."
Uncheck "Post a redirection topic."
Click "Move Topic"
move the topic back to the original sub.

The above procedure will change the title of every post in your thread to what you set.

There are two opposite sides of the allowable option to modify post title inside threads:

Advantages:

• OPs or the other posters are able to modify post titles to mark changes of projects (developmental upgrades, future plans, ie.), campaigns (Open, CFNP, Full, ie.), etc.

Disadvantages:

• There are many different post titles inside one thread, from OPs, or from the the other posters, that might mislead new guests.
• It will probably cause uncontrolled trollings, ie. that is what TECSHARE asked for changes.

It seems like a lot of people don't bother reading before posting. Nothing I am suggesting would prevent people from modifying subject headings anyway. All I am requesting is that replies automatically mirror the subject heading in the original post, which may then be edited if so desired.

If I am replying to the original post, fine. 

But if I am replying to a reply, I will probably use that post in mine.  No sense changing the title to the OP.

I am requesting the post title continues to mirror the title of the post I am replying to,

I feel it would be more effective if it only applies to the OP, not like at post #239 since people tend to look past those, or rather the post body instead.

I barely look at post titles, and I don't even mind someone "hijacking" later post titles by changing his post title, but it is annoying when I quote multiple posts and copy/paste them together. Like this post: I started by quoting PrimeNumber7, and now it has his post title. That would be fine if I wouldn't have added this, and it's even worse if I quote others too.

I've never looked that far in that menu, but this is a great trick to know! Note that you can also lose the self-moderated status by moving your topic to a board that doesn't allow it, and you can circumvent the 24h delay on deleting posts by temporarily moving it to another board too.

I'm quoting you, but this post has PrimeNumber7's title. I'm now paying attention to it, but normally I don't.

No, you quoted PrimeNumber7 first.

That was my point exactly :P
It's not allowed to make several posts in a row, so in this case it would have been better to stick to the original thread title.

I guess that Theymos could easily make that editbox read only, but as I see it's not what you propose.
And what you propose means more work and if it still can be edited in a way or another, it doesn't actually change (almost) anything.

I get your point as most people who do this seem to use it as a tool for trolling, though sometimes they are funny, though it is often also annoying when loads of people start to quote the changed header.


Not often, but it is another angle people use to attack other users when they want get another dig in and it can take things off topic.


How about also not being able to change the usernames in quotes as well?  ;D


I dunno. Is this feature even necessary? The thing you seem to be complaining about is a minor thing compared to people using it to just troll. I'm not sure whether full on making it so others can't change the topic title would be better, but when users use it troll maybe those posts can be reported to be edited if they're off topic.

You are right, we can change completely the thread subject, but it doesn't matter. You may not pay attention, but it always exists in this forum without any harm. We always know its existence, but rarely using.  Because when you visit a topic, you know the thread subject, you don't need to worry about what other members edit. Not much effect here and unnecessary for editing  ;)

It may not be that important but I still find it confusing though. I thought I was opening a new topic entitled "IT's NOT IMPORTANT" since it has no "Re:" but only to find out it's a reply to a thread.
https://i.ibb.co/6Yczvjw/hijack.png

There are many subs that allow for self moderated threads, so you can move your thread to another sub that allows for self moderated threads if loosing your self moderated status is a concern.

I really don’t see the value in allowing for people to change the thread title for a response to a thread. There are some downsides such as some people use this feature to troll and it can add confusion.

Yes, it will be confusion. But I am thinking of a better action, the change will help users pay attention to others. I'm talking about an example where we want people to pay attention to a certain topic with our posts, we can change the subject thread into words that attract attention like what you were seen. I still think it's okay with this forum  :D It is not a flaw  ;D

I am really not sure exactly what is so hard to understand about this concept. I am not suggesting locking the subject heading or preventing people from editing it if they so choose. All I am suggesting, is that when people reply, instead of quoting the subject heading of what they reply to, it quotes the subject heading of the op, which then if they so choose they can edit anyway. This filters out the ability for people to essentially abuse people's lackadaisical approach to the subject heading and prevents it from being hijacked, and everyone still gets to post whatever they like.

It's a relic feature that dates back to IRCs so that tangents could more easily be followed.  It was actually a handy feature and utilized effectively in those days.  

Oops, did I just inadvertently give away my age?  Oh well, you guys probably already know that I'm a dinosaur Gen-Xer.  

Yeah it's not a big deal in forums.  It can be fun sometimes (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg53196891#msg53196891) and annoying most of the time.

Except here we are supposed to stay on topic, this feature as you suggested is for rambling aimless conversations.

Irony:


You've just breached your own topic's subject...

That's not irony, that's the entire point of this thread. Thanks for helping me prove it.

No, it doesn't.   Anyone who wants to change the subject to something more appropriate can still do so.

Read the factual post title and notice - I still got to post what I like.

Thanks for helping me prove yet again you are an idiot.  8)