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Title: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: wwzsocki on January 30, 2020, 11:11:31 AM
I'll start by explaining what hard fork is for less experienced members.

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Hard fork (or hardfork) - relates to blockchain technology, is a radical change to the network's protocol that makes previously invalid blocks (digital pieces of information) and transactions valid, or vice-versa. A hard fork requires all nodes or users to upgrade to the latest version of the protocol software.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hard-fork.asp

For a long time, there was discussion in the community about the Bitcoin scaling problem because of 1-megabyte block size, which led to longer transaction times and an increase in fees/commissions.

The first hard fork took place at block #478559 on 1 August 2017, which transformed into a Bitcoin Cash (BCH), that offers larger blocks (up to 8 megabytes at the start).

Of course, to be honest with everybody and myself, I have to add that the BTC scaling problem is today not so important or even can be considered as resolved because we have the Lightning Network, where BTC transactions are practically instant and very cheap.

I already mentioned the most known BTC hard fork BCH and think that many of you know about another one, which is Bitcoin Gold (BTG).

So, let's dig in the true history of BTC forks (hard, soft) and summarise everything chronologically:

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/03/27/VaZ85.png
https://www.howtotoken.com/explained/bitcoin-forks-chronology-ultimate-list-forks/

As we can see there were already three soft forks (no new coin created) before BCH (XT, Unlimited, Classic) and Segwit fork before the Bitcoin Gold.

For sure all of you now wonder: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? and how many new altcoins were created?

There are 105 Bitcoin forks (hard and soft) in total. Of those, 74 are considered active projects, the remaining 31 are considered historic and are no longer relevant.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/03/27/VaCAz.png
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/03/27/VaQI2.png
https://www.forks.net/list/Bitcoin//1/2017-01-01/2020-01-01


1. BitcoinX (BCX), 2. ABitcoin (ABTC), 3. Bitcoin Hot (BTH), 4. Super Bitcoin (SBTC), 5. Bitcoin Platinum (BTP), 6. Bitcoin Oil (OBTC), 7. Bitcoin World (BTW), 8. Bitcoin Stake (BTCS), 9. Bitcoin Faith (BTF), 10 Lightning Bitcoin (LBTC, 11 Bitcoin Cash Plus (BCP), 12 Bitcoin Silver (BTCS), 13. Bitcoin Uranium (BUM), 14. Bitcoin Top (BTT), 15. Bitcoin Pizza (BPA), 16. Bitcoin File (BIFI),
17 Bitcoin God (GOD), 18 BitEthereum (BITE), 19 Bitcoin Segwit2x, 20 Bitcoin Smart (BCS), 21 Bitcoin Ore (BCO), 22 Bitvote (BTV), 23 Bitcoin Interest (BCI), 24 Bitcoin Rhodium (BTR), 25 Bitcoin Atom (BCA), 26 Bitcoin Private (BTCP), 27 Bitcoin Hush (BTCH), 28 Quantum Bitcoin (QBTC), 29 Bitcoin LITE (BTCL), 30 Bitcoin 2, 31 Big Bitcoin 32 Bitcoin Cloud, 33 Bitcoin Candy, 34 Bitcoin Lambo, 35 ClassicBitcoin, 36 BitcoinClean, 37 Bitcoin Lunar (BCL), 38 Bitcoin Prime: TBA, 39 Anonymous Bitcoin (ANON), 40 Fox BTC, 41 Bitcoin Reference Line, 42 MicroBitcoin, 43 BItcoin Classic, 44 Bitcoin Dao, 45 Bitcoin RM, 46 Bitcoin Air, 47 Bitcoin Post-Quantum, 48 Bithereum, 49 Bitcoin Stash, 50 Bitcoin Core, 51 Bitcoin Dollar, 52 Bitcoin Metal, 53 Hex, 54 Bitcoin All, 55 BitcoinCash Zero... and many more.

45 straightforward blockchain hard forks directly or indirectly originating from the Bitcoin main chain:

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/03/27/VaG5c.png
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/03/27/VamUP.png
https://forkdrop.io/how-many-bitcoin-forks-are-there

To be continued because this is only until 2019. I wasn't able to find a full chronological list of BTC forks from start until today, so we can assume that the list is even bigger  :o.

PS
There is a discussion ongoing about hard forks, soft forks, and pure copycats. Many members stated that only a couple of these coins should be considered as real coins and the majority is nothing more as worthless copycats which add nothing new at all. Of course, I fully agree with all these statements, but the purpose of this thread was to show: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? of course hard and soft once and I didn't provide any details about these coins on purpose.


https://www.forks.net/list/Bitcoin//1/2017-01-01/2020-01-01
https://forkdrop.io/how-many-bitcoin-forks-are-there
https://cryptocurrencyfacts.com/a-list-of-upcoming-bitcoin-forks-and-past-forks/
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hard-fork.asp
https://www.howtotoken.com/explained/bitcoin-forks-chronology-ultimate-list-forks/


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: Linkkoin on January 30, 2020, 11:27:48 AM
Is it just us, or really many of them even just by the name itself sound like a scam (not to mention the "coincidence" related to the release date during the 2017 bull run)?


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: wwzsocki on January 30, 2020, 11:33:50 AM
...it seems like there was almost a bit of spam... Bitcoin oil, ore, coal, metal, pizza. I'd guess a few of these are the same creator.
...just by the name itself sound like a scam...

I understand these concerns but I think they are irrelevant for this thread.

We all know that 99% of these forks if not all of them are worth nothing and bring nothing new to the crypto space.

The main reason for this thread is to show: How many BTC forks are there? and make it as best and detailed as possible.

PS
As I already mentioned in the opening post, I wasn't able to find a full (chronological) list of BTC hard forks from the creation until today.

There are many lists but the newest one is only until the 1st quarter of 2019.

If anybody will be able to find such a list, please share in the comments and I will be very happy to adjust my opening post with all additional information.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: 20kevin20 on January 30, 2020, 11:39:22 AM
The Fork think is turning into a nonsense creation of coins similar to what tokens became. Instead of having 100 coins with different functions, we should've had one with all better functions added to it. But then again, we have these "crypto CEOs" that would then become irrelevant if the coin they've supported would have been unified with another coin.

I cannot see a scenario in which we'd be using so many different coins & tokens. Exchanges are filled up with shitty coins I have never even heard of in my life, and people buy them "for moon".

If this continues, I'll start losing my hope about cryptos. I want to have a few coins that are going to give me the possibility of using different functions, I don't want to have 100 shitcoins I'll never be using for real.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: mk4 on January 30, 2020, 11:43:24 AM
If this continues, I'll start losing my hope about cryptos. I want to have a few coins that are going to give me the possibility of using different functions, I don't want to have 100 shitcoins I'll never be using for real.

Well surprise surprise! There's only going to be more forks from here. I don't know why it's a big deal for you though. All of Bitcoin's forks are pretty much irrelevant anyway. And what do you expect? The code-base is open source. Forks are pretty much inevitable simply due to the fact that Bitcoin is open-source.

Pro-tip for you: just ignore the shitcoins.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: coolcoinz on January 30, 2020, 11:56:37 AM
Now OP i have a task for you. Tell us an easy way to claim all that shit. I have never focused on forks before apart from the most popular ones (BCH, BSV, BTG), but if I could sell some of them and get some more BTC then why not. My only concern with claiming these is that some of the software might compromise the security of my BTC, although I have old addresses that technically could be used to claim some of these forks and make some free money.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: wwzsocki on January 30, 2020, 12:31:20 PM
Bitcoin XT, Unlimited, Classic & SegWit...should be categorized as planned hard fork/network upgrade.

Of course, I believe you and will do my best to adjust all info in the opening post, but I will wait for more comments because I knew there will be a lot of discussion around this subject and of course a lot of different points of view or information.

As you can see, there are links provided (overall) to sources and all of them describe these once mentioned by you, as hard forks. I had no reason not to believe several sources, that give the same information, so if you can provide any other sources, with different/counter information and conclusions, I would be grateful.

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Already removed the word "hard" in a couple of sentences to adjust accordingly to provided information. So, now is only "fork" which can mean soft or hard.

Now OP i have a task for you. Tell us an easy way to claim all that shit...

This is not the purpose of this thread, but it is enough to search in Google for a query: "how to claim BTC forks?" and you will get multiple tutorials.

Of course, only a few of these forks are still worth something and a decent website with guides/explanations is here: https://99bitcoins.com/bitcoin-forks/

Always check everything three times and remember that claiming Bitcoins from an old wallet can be a real threat to your security.

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It’s necessary to export the private keys from your old wallet using a special format. In most cases, a file will be generated that contains all your addresses and their respective private keys. Certain wallets, won’t allow you to export the private keys. In such cases, it’s necessary to enter your hardware wallet’s seed phrase into a tool (such as Ian Coleman’s BIP39 Tool), which should be run offline. Another option is to import your seed into a compatible HD wallet, such as Electrum.
https://99bitcoins.com/bitcoin-forks/


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: mk4 on January 30, 2020, 12:54:02 PM
Now OP i have a task for you. Tell us an easy way to claim all that shit. I have never focused on forks before apart from the most popular ones (BCH, BSV, BTG), but if I could sell some of them and get some more BTC then why not. My only concern with claiming these is that some of the software might compromise the security of my BTC, although I have old addresses that technically could be used to claim some of these forks and make some free money.

Yeap, it isn't farfetched to think some of the forks could have been releasing software that could probably be used to steal funds. But seriously, the other forks besides the three you've mentioned isn't even worth selling(better yet, the effort of splitting the coins) unless you're a bitcoin whale(which is most likely not the case for like 95% of us all here on Bitcointalk).


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: Darker45 on January 30, 2020, 01:54:39 PM
We already have more than enough Bitcoin forks and majority or perhaps all of them are not in any way making things better. But the more unfortunate thing here is that even these forks are also forking themselves. The splits are further splitting into more splits and this could actually go on and on and on. After all, every individual can actually hard fork Bitcoin.

I wonder if in every Bitcoin hard fork the Bitcoin community is also diminished a little, and then a little more with another hard fork, and so on. Although most of these hard forks are not creating even a tiny community, a few of them are successful on it. Is this chipping little by little the very foundation or the support of the original Bitcoin?

By the way, I have read the privacy coin Zcash was also a hard fork of Bitcoin?


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: eaLiTy on January 30, 2020, 02:18:14 PM
Always check everything three times and remember that claiming Bitcoins from an old wallet can be a real threat to your security.
Always remove the coins to another wallet before planning to use your private key to scrap all these shit coins. I had no idea about these coins in the market and the main reason for these kind of forks is because once upon a team they can say to their grand kids that they owned a crypto that forked from the main BTCitcoin and to have a feel good session during old age, other than that i have no idea why we need a million coins :D.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: hatshepsut93 on January 30, 2020, 02:36:50 PM
Why is Segwit in the first picture? It didn't create a chain split, it was a protocol upgrade for Bitcoin. You start to mix up things when you try to talk about forked coins, then switch to software forks - Bitcoin had many more hard and soft forks that didn't create new cryptocurrencies.

Also, there's a ton of coins from early days that didn't fork Bitcoins blockchain and started from their own genesis block, but had very similar code to Bitcoin, so they too can be considered Bitcoin forks in a sense that they were software forks.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: joinfree on January 30, 2020, 03:11:20 PM
Woww, this information is very resourceful mate @OP. I made a review about Bitcion SV and Bitcoin Cash and i thought those were the only forked coins of bitcoin not knowing the exist numerous of them. Well i think BSV and BCH seems to be the prominent ones who claim to fulfilling Satoshi's vision by increasing the block limit size of bitcoin to increase speed of transactions across the network.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: Ryker1 on January 30, 2020, 03:37:58 PM
Fork? Well well, As far as I remember when the bull run started in the year 2017, there is a lot of forks that made me crazy. Fork and ERC20 Tokens were almost the same. They will fool you and will get your asset out of your wallet. Going back to the topic, --there is a lot of Bitcoin's fork right there. There are hard and soft forks the Bitcoin had and it is a lot. When the HYIP started, people tend to feel FOMO. The smart people took advantage of it and made a lot of coins. Some might be bitcoin fork, but some are also coins that made their own blockchain from scratch. Indeed, thank you OP this was very informative, all forked coins are listed that has a name Bitcoin.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: pakhitheboss on January 30, 2020, 03:46:18 PM
Always new about 4 Bitcoin hard forks, never ever realised that there were 74. Most of them in the list sound like scam Bitcoin projects. This information is very enlightening. Thanks for sharing it.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: bitmover on January 30, 2020, 06:00:36 PM
Well surprise surprise! There's only going to be more forks from here. I don't know why it's a big deal for you though. All of Bitcoin's forks are pretty much irrelevant anyway. And what do you expect? The code-base is open source. Forks are pretty much inevitable simply due to the fact that Bitcoin is open-source.

Pro-tip for you: just ignore the shitcoins.

That is not entirely true.

Many of those forks were worth recovering if you were fast enough, if you have at least 1 BTC (which I believe is the case of most users here)

I recovered bitcoin diamond, bitcoin core, bitcoinx , bitcoin atom,  and others which I can't remember now
There are even some airdrops like semux (which pays if you sign a message with btc balance) which are worth.

For all those I received something like 100 usd at least for each btc, maybe even more. But just when they are released, because shitcoins lose value over time...


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: wwzsocki on January 30, 2020, 06:33:01 PM
...I made a review about Bitcion SV and Bitcoin Cash and i thought those were the only forked coins of bitcoin not knowing the exist numerous of them...

As you can see, I haven't mentioned BSV in my article and I did it on purpose because BSV is a hard fork of BCH, not BTC!!!

As you already know, Bitcoin Cash (BCH) started as a response to the Bitcoin scaling problem and in November 2018, forked again because there was still an ideological debate in the BCH community about the scalability and final size of the block (was actually 32 MB), which led to the creation of Bitcoin Cash SV (BSV), with the block size of 128 MB.

Many people think that BCH and BSV are the most known BTC hard forks, but this is not true and BSV is a hard fork of BCH.

Why is Segwit in the first picture? It didn't create a chain split, it was a protocol upgrade for Bitcoin...

That was already mentioned and as you can see we are talking about Bitcoin Forks (hard and soft) to not confuse people too much.

Not from every fork, there was a new altcoin born and that is why I am talking about forks, which means both possibilities.

I already edited my opening post accordingly.

Bitcoin XT, Unlimited, Classic & SegWit...should be categorized as planned hard fork/network upgrade.
...will do my best to adjust all info in the opening post, but I will wait for more comments... there are links provided (overall) to sources and all of them describe these once mentioned by you, as hard forks...provide any other sources, with different/counter information and conclusions...Already removed the word "hard" in a couple of sentences to adjust accordingly...now is only "fork" which can mean soft or hard.

BSV is the only relevant chain, cause it is the refactored original protocol that is the legal and stable true BitCoin...

I hope you're kidding, and if not, it's a total BS.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: hv_ on January 30, 2020, 06:41:14 PM
BSV is the only relevant chain, cause it is the refactored original protocol that is the legal and stable true BitCoin.

It makes all other chains the alts.

 :D


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: Docnaster on January 30, 2020, 07:02:52 PM


There are 105 Bitcoin forks (hard and soft) in total. Of those, 74 are considered active projects, the remaining 31 are considered historic and are no longer relevant.


I think the fact that 74 of these are still considered active is the biggest surprise here. I would barely even say Bitcoin Gold is still active, I literally don't think most of these are even used anywhere other than for speculative trading... Does anybody here actually use any off the Bitcoin off-shoots outside of the top 100 by mcap? I certainly dont know anybody who does.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: stompix on January 30, 2020, 07:25:38 PM
Why is Segwit in the first picture? It didn't create a chain split, it was a protocol upgrade for Bitcoin.

Yeah, I had the same feeling. Not really a coin, it didn't produce a second chain.

Now, that list might be impressive but it's not really accurate, clicked a few of them and found out this:
https://forkdrop.io/xenon

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A ERC-20 token project that will eventually migrate to its own blockchain that is based on EOS. An amount of XNN was be airdropped to holders of BTC who signed a message of an Ethereum address and submitted it to the project between January and June 2018.

This is not a bitcoin and it's not a fork either.

https://forkdrop.io/semux
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* Airdrop period is now over An original codebase that gives airdrops to BTC holders at the fork block that create a wallet and sign a message and submit it to the form before February 25th 2018.

Those are not forks, just silly airdrops, just Clam clones, nothing more.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on January 30, 2020, 07:36:17 PM
OP, this is an awesome summary and I sure as hell wasn't aware that there were this many forks.  I knew about the big ones, of course, but I haven't even heard of most of these--and I only claimed forked coins once, which turned out to be pennies worth of BCH if I remember correctly and then I swore off claiming any of that "free crypto" in the future unless there was a decent amount of it for me to get (which there usually isn't, since I don't own a lot of bitcoin, BCH, or whatever else that got forked).

Why is Segwit in the first picture? It didn't create a chain split, it was a protocol upgrade for Bitcoin.
Yeah, I had the same feeling. Not really a coin, it didn't produce a second chain.
Ditto.  Not that I understand much of the technical aspects of bitcoin, but I know enough that I recognize that Segwit isn't a fork.



Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: hv_ on January 30, 2020, 08:11:40 PM
OP, this is an awesome summary and I sure as hell wasn't aware that there were this many forks.  I knew about the big ones, of course, but I haven't even heard of most of these--and I only claimed forked coins once, which turned out to be pennies worth of BCH if I remember correctly and then I swore off claiming any of that "free crypto" in the future unless there was a decent amount of it for me to get (which there usually isn't, since I don't own a lot of bitcoin, BCH, or whatever else that got forked).

Why is Segwit in the first picture? It didn't create a chain split, it was a protocol upgrade for Bitcoin.
Yeah, I had the same feeling. Not really a coin, it didn't produce a second chain.
Ditto.  Not that I understand much of the technical aspects of bitcoin, but I know enough that I recognize that Segwit isn't a fork.



Sure, the most evil one. You just don't (want to) notice. It made Bitcoin no longer BitCoin


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: wwzsocki on January 30, 2020, 09:30:51 PM
...impressive but it's not really accurate, clicked a few of them and found out this:
https://forkdrop.io/xenon This is not a bitcoin and it's not a fork...
https://forkdrop.io/semux Those are not forks, just silly airdrops, just Clam clones, nothing more...

I agree with you and that is why you will not find them in my opening post, so I don't understand why you mentioned them?

They are not on the screen (or maybe I am blind  8)), additionally underneath the screen, I have added a full list with known BTC forks.

...1. BitcoinX (BCX), 2. ABitcoin (ABTC), 3. Bitcoin Hot (BTH), 4. Super Bitcoin (SBTC), 5. Bitcoin Platinum (BTP), 6. Bitcoin Oil (OBTC), 7. Bitcoin World (BTW), 8. Bitcoin Stake (BTCS), 9. Bitcoin Faith (BTF), 10 Lightning Bitcoin (LBTC, 11 Bitcoin Cash Plus (BCP), 12 Bitcoin Silver (BTCS), 13. Bitcoin Uranium (BUM), 14. Bitcoin Top (BTT), 15. Bitcoin Pizza (BPA), 16. Bitcoin File (BIFI),17 Bitcoin God (GOD), 18 BitEthereum (BITE), 19 Bitcoin Segwit2x, 20 Bitcoin Smart (BCS), 21 Bitcoin Ore (BCO), 22 Bitvote (BTV), 23 Bitcoin Interest (BCI), 24 Bitcoin Rhodium (BTR), 25 Bitcoin Atom (BCA), 26 Bitcoin Private (BTCP), 27 Bitcoin Hush (BTCH), 28 Quantum Bitcoin (QBTC), 29 Bitcoin LITE (BTCL), 30 Bitcoin 2, 31 Big Bitcoin 32 Bitcoin Cloud, 33 Bitcoin Candy, 34 Bitcoin Lambo, 35 ClassicBitcoin, 36 BitcoinClean, 37 Bitcoin Lunar (BCL), 38 Bitcoin Prime: TBA, 39 Anonymous Bitcoin (ANON), 40 Fox BTC, 41 Bitcoin Reference Line, 42 MicroBitcoin, 43 BItcoin Classic, 44 Bitcoin Dao, 45 Bitcoin RM, 46 Bitcoin Air, 47 Bitcoin Post-Quantum, 48 Bithereum, 49 Bitcoin Stash, 50 Bitcoin Core, 51 Bitcoin Dollar, 52 Bitcoin Metal, 53 Hex, 54 Bitcoin All, 55 BitcoinCash Zero...

Why is Segwit in the first picture? It didn't create a chain split, it was a protocol upgrade for Bitcoin.
Yeah, I had the same feeling. Not really a coin, it didn't produce a second chain.

If you will read the thread, then you will notice, that this was already mentioned and answered a couple of times, to be correct, I have changed the opening post already.

Why is Segwit in the first picture? It didn't create a chain split, it was a protocol upgrade for Bitcoin...
That was already mentioned and as you can see we are talking about Bitcoin Forks (hard and soft) to not confuse people too much.

Not from every fork, there was a new altcoin born and that is why I am talking about forks, which means both possibilities.

I already edited my opening post accordingly.

OP, this is an awesome summary and I sure as hell wasn't aware that there were this many forks...

Thanks for kind words, I am happy you liked  :D.

I wasn't aware either that there were/are so many forks and thought that it would be great info to share because if I wasn't aware of this, then for sure majority of people don't know about this.

You are the best confirmation of this theory  ;).


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: 20kevin20 on January 30, 2020, 10:11:40 PM
Well surprise surprise! There's only going to be more forks from here. I don't know why it's a big deal for you though. All of Bitcoin's forks are pretty much irrelevant anyway. And what do you expect? The code-base is open source. Forks are pretty much inevitable simply due to the fact that Bitcoin is open-source.

Pro-tip for you: just ignore the shitcoins.

I don't expect much to be honest, I just wish the time comes when these forks will not get this much attention and will be ignored by everyone, not just by us who've had a ton of experience in the crypto game.

2013 to 2014 was way more fun. You may be right - maybe it only gets worse from here.

But the point is that these shitty forks, coins and tokens are being continuously created because there's still that frenzy here with airdrops and all that crap. If there were only a few people out here who would give these projects attention, things would change substantially.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: coinycoiny on January 30, 2020, 10:20:46 PM
funny how you guys mock bitcoin pizza

Its worth the same as all the rest


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: stompix on January 30, 2020, 11:18:58 PM
...impressive but it's not really accurate, clicked a few of them and found out this:
https://forkdrop.io/xenon This is not a bitcoin and it's not a fork...
https://forkdrop.io/semux Those are not forks, just silly airdrops, just Clam clones, nothing more...

I agree with you and that is why you will not find them in my opening post, so I don't understand why you mentioned them?

Because you mentioned them too

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There are 105 Bitcoin forks (hard and soft) in total. Of those, 74 are considered active projects, the remaining 31 are considered historic and are no longer relevant.

The two I mentioned are falling into this category on that website.
But calling them historic forks it doesn't mean they weren't counted as forks in that 105 number  ;)

Also, check the image you posted of the forks.
Clams is there right?  ;D





Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: wwzsocki on January 30, 2020, 11:45:28 PM
...Clams is there right?...

Indeed, I couldn't delete it and that is why I haven't mentioned Clams, only the other two linked altcoins in my previous answer.

Additionally, I wasn't able to find a reliable source of information with all BTC forks until today, so we can assume these numbers still as an estimate.

To be honest, these websites provide the best information on this subject and the main goal was to show: how many BTC forks are there?.

So, if this is 100 or 110 is not so important anymore in my opinion because these numbers are changing constantly and different sources provide different amounts.

I have a lot of experience and always new about a few BTC (hard and soft) forks, which ended with new altcoins, but when I find out that there are so many, I was just overwhelmed and thought it is worth to share.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: tranthidung on January 31, 2020, 01:37:13 AM
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There are 105 Bitcoin forks (hard and soft) in total. Of those, 74 are considered active projects, the remaining 31 are considered historic and are no longer relevant.
I am neither surprised to see the list nor to see a few of them listed on coinmarketcap.com.
This part of OP should be updated. How many of 105 forks have been listed on coinmarketcap.com?
If you are interested, I made a table for you, and please feel free to use it, and edit details for your interests.

___________________________________________________________
Total Bitcoin-forksActiveHistoric/ deadListed on CMC
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10574 (70.5)31 (29.5)9 (13.3)
___________________________________________________________

There are abundant coins with Bitcoin as prefix or suffix in their coin-names. Here is results from Coinmarketcap's Search tool.
The lack of appearance of those forks on coinmarketcap.com means that there are more risks for new investors to get trapped by those shit forked-coins. They are useless and don't have any upgrades to make them better than the true Bitcoin.

One of main reasons those shit coins have not yet listed on coinmarketcap.com is the main purpose of their teams is to scam and get quick & easy money from stupid and naive investors. Their team don't want and don't have intention to spend any fund to list their coins on coinmarketcap.com.

There are people who send Bitcoin to Bitcoin Cash and vice versa, as well as missend to wrong chains of Bitcoin-prefixed or Bitcoin-suffixed coins among those coins already listed on coinmarketcap.com. For the others, who lose money for unlisted coins (on coinmarketcap.com), I doubt that they even don't know about our forum (what a pity) but it is their mistakes and their responsibilities to upgrade their knowledge.


OP makes an excellent thread, for people who want to learn and improve their knowledge.
Your thread is helpful for mine: Sending BTC to BCH or whatever coins, vice versa. Don't do this, newbies ! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5218944.0)
  • How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221882.0) (you can find lots of shit bitcoin-forked coins in that thread)


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: pooya87 on January 31, 2020, 05:20:41 AM
although the explanation is technically correct but it is a terrible one because it is misleading.
all of these coins should be referred to as bitcoin copies instead of bitcoin forks. and the term fork should only be used when the same project is being upgraded with a new rule or has a rule removed.
so for example bcash is not a bitcoin fork, it is a bitcoin copy.

BSV is the only relevant chain, cause it is the refactored original protocol that is the legal and stable true BitCoin.

3 bullshits in one sentence.
bcashsv is not relevant and it  has not refactored anything and it is considered a shitcoin by literary everyone.

last time i checked bcashsv had BIP-143 (yes that is a SegWit BIP!!!) still implemented, and also since you mentioned "original protocol" it also has BIP62 and at least 2 dozen other BIPs still intact.
a long list of meaningless changes doesn't make it "original protocol".


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: hv_ on January 31, 2020, 08:20:38 AM
I think the fact that 74 of these are still considered active is the biggest surprise here. I would barely even say Bitcoin Gold is still active, I literally don't think most of these are even used anywhere other than for speculative trading... Does anybody here actually use any off the Bitcoin off-shoots outside of the top 100 by mcap? I certainly dont know anybody who does.

In this case, active means someone still mining the coins 24/7 (or stake the coins 24/7 if they use PoS) to create block in order to keep the network running

BSV is the only relevant chain, cause it is the refactored original protocol that is the legal and stable true BitCoin.

It makes all other chains the alts.

 :D

And i don't remember P2PKH, P2SH or OP_RETURN are part of original protocol, which means BSV also alt.

Your statement only true if BSV perform fork from block #97304 (https://btc.com/block/97304) which created when Satoshi was around (December 13, 2010, 04:45:41 PM)

So you will be able to run old 0.1 clients - that's the thing - nothing changed after the refactoring

op_codes restored

BTW: Think of tcp/ip - stability and consens may never change ... it was set in stone and Satoshi told us

He left - cause of that

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/senior-adviser-operator-silk-road-website-pleads-guilty-manhattan-federal-court


Now things getting cleaned


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: pooya87 on January 31, 2020, 08:47:51 AM
So you will be able to run old 0.1 clients - that's the thing - nothing changed after the refactoring

no you won't because old clients use the original signature verification algorithm but BSV for all transactions (unlike bitcoin) is enforcing a new algorithm that is outlined in BIP-143 known as Transaction Signature Verification for Version 0 Witness Program, that is a part of SegWit soft fork.
https://github.com/bitcoin-sv-specs/protocol/blob/master/updates/uahf-technical-spec.md#req-6-3-use-adapted-bip143-hash-algorithm-for-protected-transactions

ps. that is the absurdity of both bcash and bcashsv. they both bashed SegWit a lot and they both adopted most of it. heck bcash addresses are even bech32 addresses (new format that is used only by SegWit addresses)!!!


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: MufasaR on January 31, 2020, 09:06:19 AM
Personally am surprised!

Thought at most we could have roughly about 10 types of bitcoin, which is the original Bitcoin(BTC) and ~ 9 bitcoin altcoins. I guess this explains why bitcoin has failed to break a new all time high because even when bitcoin demand is there people are duped into buying the wrong cryptocurrency and price increment is at snail speed.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: ajeef on January 31, 2020, 09:09:40 AM
Personally am surprised!

Thought at most we could have roughly about 10, which is the original Bitcoin(BTC) and ~ 9 bitcoin altcoins. I guess this explains why bitcoin has failed to break a new all time high because even when bitcoin depend is there people are duped into buying the wrong cryptocurrency.

That might probably happen but i think the possibility that happened is 1:1million because the person who did that are so so newbie with cryptocurrency even they cannot make a difference between bitcoin and the forked coins, because in terms of price it's different and the name is also different and ofcourse the volume is also different. So i think the people who wrong bought are drunk


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: wwzsocki on January 31, 2020, 09:35:47 AM
snip

Thank you very much for your suggestion and provided information, but I will let the opening post as it actually is because this is not so important for the thread, how much of them are still listed or will be in the future on Coinmarketcap. That changes constantly and can't be relevant for too long. Additionally, the main goals are achieved to share the info and raise awareness about all these copycats.

...these coins should be referred to as bitcoin copies instead of bitcoin forks...term fork should only be used when the same project is being upgraded with a new rule or has a rule removed.
so for example bcash is not a bitcoin fork, it is a bitcoin copy.

Of course, I agree with you and that is why I have never mentioned any details about these copycats.

The purpose of this thread was to show: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? of course hard and soft once.

Again, I updated the opening post and added your comment as an additional explanation.

...although the explanation is technically correct but it is a terrible one because it is misleading...

In my opinion, is not misleading, as I explained above, of course, you are free to judge by yourself.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: hv_ on January 31, 2020, 09:57:03 AM
So you will be able to run old 0.1 clients - that's the thing - nothing changed after the refactoring

no you won't because old clients use the original signature verification algorithm but BSV for all transactions (unlike bitcoin) is enforcing a new algorithm that is outlined in BIP-143 known as Transaction Signature Verification for Version 0 Witness Program, that is a part of SegWit soft fork.
https://github.com/bitcoin-sv-specs/protocol/blob/master/updates/uahf-technical-spec.md#req-6-3-use-adapted-bip143-hash-algorithm-for-protected-transactions

ps. that is the absurdity of both bcash and bcashsv. they both bashed SegWit a lot and they both adopted most of it. heck bcash addresses are even bech32 addresses (new format that is used only by SegWit addresses)!!!

Nope - not for refactored BSV


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: pooya87 on January 31, 2020, 10:17:47 AM
Nope - not for refactored BSV

well the code from the official BSV repository here: https://github.com/bitcoin-sv/bitcoin-sv/blob/88ee5b7012e03eb99ccaf695eab0b2f0fff7cb5c/src/script/interpreter.cpp#L1813-L1894 says otherwise.
apart from using a forkid is exactly the same as how SegWit transactions are being serialized and hashed before signing.
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/3e1bf71064ccb98d0684753e844c80d6da421287/src/script/interpreter.cpp#L1234-L1279


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: nennanem on January 31, 2020, 11:07:40 AM
In my opinion, it makes no sense when the original currency has a huge amount of different shitcoins that are useless. It is better when there is one currency with a large number of different purposes for which it can be used.
In addition, I almost never heard of half the forks on this list.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: Polar91 on January 31, 2020, 11:15:19 AM
Personally am surprised!

Thought at most we could have roughly about 10 types of bitcoin, which is the original Bitcoin(BTC) and ~ 9 bitcoin altcoins. I guess this explains why bitcoin has failed to break a new all time high because even when bitcoin demand is there people are duped into buying the wrong cryptocurrency and price increment is at snail speed.

I too, perhaps, has been surprised, knowing that the forks of bitcoin are just the bitcoin cash, SV and bitcoin gold, well, by seeing all these line up in the market, we could probably conclude that it is really the battle of the fittest that will remain on top of the others, we could see bitcoin cash and sv getting the most support and demand as the top rank in bitcoin forks, this means that people do really believe that forks serve as an upgrade to bitcoin protocol that needs to be considered if we want to make our transaction faster than the actual bitcoin. But what's good about it, is when we, could possibly have the chance to improve bitcoin itself without these forks so we could have more demand to help us deliver the best crypto to people.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: 1Referee on January 31, 2020, 11:26:54 AM
Nope - not for refactored BSV

It doesn't matter how you refer to BSV. It's still just a chain that's not actually being used. BSV's "use" at this point is a few weather and price fetching applications creating a lot of transactions non-stop. Is this the use you envisioned BSV to have?

Also, your master CSW absolutely hates USDT and exchanges, yet it's that exact stablecoin being used to pump the price of BSV on shady exchanges such as OKEx and Huobi.

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-sv/markets/reported/

Compared to a large variety of altcoins BSV is slow, more centralized, not even the cheapest, not suited for complex applications, etc. How is the enterprise world going to use that chain with plenty of more suitable alternatives available. I'm not even talking about how toxic the backers of BSV are, which in itself is already a huge no go for serious businesses.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: hv_ on January 31, 2020, 12:51:08 PM
Nope - not for refactored BSV

It doesn't matter how you refer to BSV. It's still just a chain that's not actually being used. BSV's "use" at this point is a few weather and price fetching applications creating a lot of transactions non-stop. Is this the use you envisioned BSV to have?

Also, your master CSW absolutely hates USDT and exchanges, yet it's that exact stablecoin being used to pump the price of BSV on shady exchanges such as OKEx and Huobi.

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-sv/markets/reported/

Compared to a large variety of altcoins BSV is slow, more centralized, not even the cheapest, not suited for complex applications, etc. How is the enterprise world going to use that chain with plenty of more suitable alternatives available. I'm not even talking about how toxic the backers of BSV are, which in itself is already a huge no go for serious businesses.

I fully agree that Bitcoin is all about real world use. - That would recommend wide compliance, stability and capacity and low price / efforts for risk assessments and transacting (needed for proper secure setups in industry use).

Trading / spec is not that much important - except of providing liquidity

We have no regulated exchange yet trading Bitcoin - but some are 'moving' - I bet complinace is the only reason that Bitcoin needs - I see that promoted only by BSV - so I support this - no matter who else does as well.

All the rest comes with industrial adoption


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: Paheha on January 31, 2020, 01:03:54 PM
In It is better when there is one currency with a large number of different purposes for which it can be used.
In addition, I almost never heard of half the forks on this list.  :)


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: hv_ on January 31, 2020, 01:17:20 PM
In It is better when there is one currency with a large number of different purposes for which it can be used.
In addition, I almost never heard of half the forks on this list.  :)

Sure - there was 1 defined in 2008

BitCoin


all the rest try to copy & alter , gover > derail ppl


If that happens - better reset (refactor - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_refactoring )  & comply -> back to the roots and show these roots worked already fine

- no better governance needed - decentral as planned


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: 1Referee on January 31, 2020, 01:54:35 PM
We have no regulated exchange yet trading Bitcoin - but some are 'moving' - I bet complinace is the only reason that Bitcoin needs - I see that promoted only by BSV - so I support this - no matter who else does as well.

All the rest comes with industrial adoption

Compliance will play a big role, but when BSV benefits from compliance, so will hundreds/thousands of other altcoins. Nothing really special.

In all honesty, there isn't much of a difference between BSV and BCH. BCH has smaller blocks in comparison, but will expand when the demand knocks on the door for an upgrade. That's how things theoretically should go. Neither chain will however gain actual adoption as envisioned by the creators, hence the reason they spam their own network to make it appear active.

I'm pretty sure that we will have a fork of BSV's "original" vision this year as well. What version of BSV will you then support?


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: bryant.coleman on January 31, 2020, 02:33:25 PM
There are hundreds of Bitcoin forks out there, and this number may increase in the future as well. But the big question is how many of them are having practical usage? Bitcoin is used as a mode of payment in a lot of stores and shops (both online and offline). To certain extent, the same is true with Bitcoin Cash as well. Bitcoin SV is struggling in this regard, but there are a few shops accepting BSV as well. But what about the other forks? They don't really have any real usage, apart from being used in speculative investment.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: hv_ on January 31, 2020, 03:28:25 PM
We have no regulated exchange yet trading Bitcoin - but some are 'moving' - I bet complinace is the only reason that Bitcoin needs - I see that promoted only by BSV - so I support this - no matter who else does as well.

All the rest comes with industrial adoption

Compliance will play a big role, but when BSV benefits from compliance, so will hundreds/thousands of other altcoins. Nothing really special.

In all honesty, there isn't much of a difference between BSV and BCH. BCH has smaller blocks in comparison, but will expand when the demand knocks on the door for an upgrade. That's how things theoretically should go. Neither chain will however gain actual adoption as envisioned by the creators, hence the reason they spam their own network to make it appear active.

I'm pretty sure that we will have a fork of BSV's "original" vision this year as well. What version of BSV will you then support?

There is a massive diff, it's called > purpose

BCH > go dark , anarcho, anonymous, fork for dev and (hidden) agenda sake


BSV > go back to the roots - refactor and scale on chain, don't be evil, lets go industrial + gov regulated, transparent, stable & compliant as White Paper defines a good working base protocol


see?


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: wwzsocki on January 31, 2020, 04:33:06 PM
...BSV...

OK, enough is enough!!!

I haven't said anything until now, but this has to stop because this thread is not created to shill BSV altcoin.

Additionally, I have already explained:

...I haven't mentioned BSV in my article and I did it on purpose ... BSV is a hard fork of BCH, not BTC!!!...

...people think that BCH and BSV are the most known BTC hard forks - this is not true and BSV is a hard fork of BCH.

This is the only explanation that is needed about BSV in this thread and I hope that this debate will stop.

From now, I will report all (shilling) posts about BSV to moderators (as off-topic), so please stop hijacking my thread.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: coinfinger on February 03, 2020, 12:10:04 PM
The coins I am seeing on this list, lol, their names are quite funny. If there is still this Bitcoin pizza, bruh... I am never going to invest in that, it sounds so dumb.

In any project or business that one is doing, the name of the brand matters a lot, if you’re going to be giving your brand a name that doesn’t make any sense then nobody would be interested in it. And like seriously, why all these forks and at the end they are nothing? ??? These are why I don’t like jumping into any project that pops out because they usually fail.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: tvplus006 on February 03, 2020, 01:50:39 PM
Is it just us, or really many of them even just by the name itself sound like a scam (not to mention the "coincidence" related to the release date during the 2017 bull run)?

Most of these forks have "bitcoin"in their name. Obviously, they thought that the success of bitcoin would be automatically transferred to their copy. But only some of them are represented in the first hundred of coinmarketcap. Most of the other forks I didn't even know existed.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: hv_ on February 03, 2020, 02:55:36 PM
Good to track the 'forks' here

https://sv.coin.dance/


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: wwzsocki on February 03, 2020, 06:17:11 PM
Is it just us, or really many of them even just by the name...
...Most of the other forks I didn't even know existed.

Exactly, that was the reason for this thread. I was also shocked, how many of these copycats are there  :o and never thought that will be so many of them.

We had a discussion in our local and when I was looking for information about BTC forks, first I found that there are 40 such forks with their own blockchains.

That was already overwhelming, I shared these in our local and of course, reactions were the same as here, no matter what everybody was at least amazed how many of these Bitcoinalts exist already.

I thought it would be a great idea to share it on the main forum and started to dig for more accurate info and boom I found that there are even more, a lot more because the number was twice so big, as provided by the first source.

Of course, 97% of them are worthless and even not worth to mention, but this is some sort of phenomenon because only BTC was forked so many times and has so many new altcoins.

Little ironic, don't you think?


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: TheNewAnon135246 on February 03, 2020, 07:58:35 PM
In It is better when there is one currency with a large number of different purposes for which it can be used.
In addition, I almost never heard of half the forks on this list.  :)

Sure - there was 1 defined in 2008

BitCoin


all the rest try to copy & alter , gover > derail ppl


If that happens - better reset (refactor - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_refactoring )  & comply -> back to the roots and show these roots worked already fine

- no better governance needed - decentral as planned

Can I send/receive BSV using one of the early Bitcoin Core versions? No I can't. Why? Because BSV is just another shitcoin fork. Stop trying to convince people otherwise.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: adaseb on February 04, 2020, 05:16:05 AM
If you had BTC in mid 2017 till today then the only ones worth actually claiming and selling are Bitcoin Cash (along with SV), Bitcoin Gold and Bitcoin Diamond the rest are more or less a waste of time to claim. Many like Bitcoin X you can't even sell. And many others are listed on exchanges just as futures without deposits enabled.

Basically except for Bitcoin Cash, the rest you should of sold as soon as they hit an exchange. BCH was the only fork that was worth holding. Others like Bitcoin Gold lost alot of value from their ATH, I think Bitcoin Gold was like $300 when launched and now its like $10.

Anyone know why SV was forked from BCH instead of BTC directly? Assuming some spat between developers?


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: pooya87 on February 04, 2020, 05:37:11 AM
~

Can I send/receive BSV using one of the early Bitcoin Core versions? No I can't. Why? Because BSV is just another shitcoin fork. Stop trying to convince people otherwise.

although BSV is a shitcoin but the reason why you can't use early versions has nothing to do with that. don't let hv_ nonsense fool you. look at the code. the "refactoring" is completely meaningless. for example it has enabled useless OP codes such as OP_MULTIPLY that you won't even see in any meaningful transactions anyways.
the reason why you can't use early versions (as i explained before) is because everything meaningful is changed. for starters every single BSV signature you create today is going to be invalid in early versions. why? because BSV is hashing transactions based on SegWit rules which didn't even exist before 2017.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: zasad@ on February 04, 2020, 10:52:33 AM
Thank you, interesting topic.
Russian translate
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5223031


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: wwzsocki on February 04, 2020, 12:35:14 PM
Thank you, interesting topic.
Russian translate
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5223031

Great job, which tells me that there is a lot of interest in this subject. Translations always welcome!!!

snip
snip
snip

I already asked kindly to not hijack my thread, especially to discuss about BSV  http://emots.yetihehe.com/2/killer.gif.

...I haven't mentioned BSV in my article and I did it on purpose ... BSV is a hard fork of BCH, not BTC!!!...

...people think that BCH and BSV are the most known BTC hard forks - this is not true and BSV is a hard fork of BCH.

This is the only explanation that is needed about BSV in this thread and I hope that this debate will stop.

From now, I will report all (shilling) posts about BSV to moderators (as off-topic), so please stop hijacking my thread.

As I have told already, now I will have to ask mods for help and if this doesn't help, I will have to close this thread because this discussion about BSV altcoin is totally off-topic.



Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: BitHodler on February 04, 2020, 03:00:54 PM
As I have told already, now I will have to ask mods for help and if this doesn't help, I will have to close this thread because this discussion about BSV altcoin is totally off-topic.
This thread is about forks so what do you expect? In my opinion, it's fine to discuss individual forks (altcoins) because they do matter and may yield valuable information that people weren't aware of yet.

I don't think moderators will do much unless it's truly off-topic or pure sig spam. If you want to dictate the discussions and delete what you consider off-topic or spam, the thread should have been self-moderated.

A lot of people still have unclaimed BCH, and thus BSV. In that sense it is relevant because it was BTC that donated these coins to them.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: wwzsocki on February 04, 2020, 04:48:54 PM
...I will have to close this thread because this discussion about BSV altcoin is totally off-topic.
This thread is about forks so what do you expect? In my opinion, it's fine to discuss individual forks (altcoins)...

I agree and if there will be a healthy discussion I would say nothing http://emots.yetihehe.com/1/milczek.gif, but this is always the same story between BTC and BSV supporters, they are always at a state of permanent war http://emots.yetihehe.com/1/plask.gif.

Additionally, if this discussion could add something to this thread but no, only the same old story "BSV is the real BTC" and so on http://emots.yetihehe.com/2/zygi.gif.

You will have to read this thread fully to understand why I am reacting like this on these posts.

As, you can see I haven't said anything in begin, but when the discussion turned out to be the same as always http://emots.yetihehe.com/1/klotnia.gif after just a few comments, I couldn't ignore it, as a thread author.

I don't mind to talk about all these forks and even to focus on a few if there will be such need, but I just can't accept hijacking the thread to run a never-ending war or to shill BSV http://emots.yetihehe.com/2/killer.gif.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: Docnaster on February 04, 2020, 09:03:53 PM
Wow I never knew there are many bitcoin forks out there, many of them are useless I guess, the few forks i like are Bitcoin private, bitcoin diamond, lightning bitcoin, bitcoincash and bitcoin atom, I prefer these coins over many new projects in crypto space today

Jesus, Bitcoin diamond, atom and lightning bitcoin lol.

Do people just think of something cool, then throw it on the end or beginning of the word Bitcoin nowadays?

Maybe I should quickly trademark a few of these.

I'm thinking Bitcoin Dark, Dark Bitcoin, Bitcoin Quantum, Quantum Bitcoin and Bitcoin Dash.

I bet if I googled a few of these, they'd already exist ;D


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: wwzsocki on February 21, 2020, 04:40:02 PM
Jesus, Bitcoin diamond, atom and lightning bitcoin lol...

Indeed  ;D ;D ;D

I see almost the same reaction by 90% of people who just found out about this fact and I am not surprised at all because my reaction was exactly the same :D.

I was sure there are few of these alts, which popped suddenly from BTC hard and soft forks, but when I first heard the number 40 and after recheck found that there are more as 100 of them, I was overwhelmed too because there is no way to know the exact number without proper research, there is no actual info available on the web.

To know exactly how the situation looks like (how much worse it is   :D ;)) one has to do a really in deep research and spend many hours checking all these shitcoins to find the exact number.

Despite all negativity to all these alts, I think BTC has nothing to be ashamed of because, in my opinion, this shows only how strong and valuable BTC is in reality.
Only BTC was forked so many times to a new coin, only BTC forks (few of them) are in the top 50 on CMC, despite all these forks BTC is still unbeaten and owns the longest chain.
We have to focus on the positive side of things  ;).

The only bad thing is the confusion which these copycats generate around BTC, but if to look from the positive side of things, even this is good because people will learn very fast, that they have to research first a little and check everything twice before they even start to think about investing (hard-earned) money in crypto.



Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: 2020VISION on February 21, 2020, 04:46:19 PM
I'll start by explaining what hard fork is for less experienced members.

Quote
Hard fork (or hardfork) - relates to blockchain technology, is a radical change to the network's protocol that makes previously invalid blocks (digital pieces of information) and transactions valid, or vice-versa. A hard fork requires all nodes or users to upgrade to the latest version of the protocol software.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hard-fork.asp

For a long time, there was discussion in the community about Bitcoin scaling problem because of 1 megabyte block size, which led to longer transaction times and an increase in fees/commissions.

The first hard fork took place at block #478559 on 1 August 2017, which transformed into a Bitcoin Cash (BCH), that offers larger blocks (up to 8 megabytes at the start).
Of course, to be honest with everybody and myself, I have to add that the BTC scaling problem is today not so important or even can be considered as resolved because we have the Lightning Network, where BTC transactions are practically instant and very cheap.

I already mentioned the most known BTC hard fork BCH and think that many of you know about another one, which is Bitcoin Gold (BTG).

So, let's dig in the true history of BTC forks (hard, soft) and summarise everything chronologically:

https://i.imgur.com/2Dr8lDS.png
https://www.howtotoken.com/explained/bitcoin-forks-chronology-ultimate-list-forks/

As we can see there were already three soft forks (no new coin created) before BCH (XT, Unlimited, Classic) and Segwit fork before the Bitcoin Gold.

So, I am sure all of you now wonder: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? and how many new altcoins were created?

There are 105 Bitcoin forks (hard and soft) in total. Of those, 74 are considered active projects, the remaining 31 are considered historic and are no longer relevant.

https://i.imgur.com/ppkF5PZ.png
https://i.imgur.com/Dgiz6lZ.png
https://www.forks.net/list/Bitcoin//1/2017-01-01/2020-01-01


1. BitcoinX (BCX), 2. ABitcoin (ABTC), 3. Bitcoin Hot (BTH), 4. Super Bitcoin (SBTC), 5. Bitcoin Platinum (BTP), 6. Bitcoin Oil (OBTC), 7. Bitcoin World (BTW), 8. Bitcoin Stake (BTCS), 9. Bitcoin Faith (BTF), 10 Lightning Bitcoin (LBTC, 11 Bitcoin Cash Plus (BCP), 12 Bitcoin Silver (BTCS), 13. Bitcoin Uranium (BUM), 14. Bitcoin Top (BTT), 15. Bitcoin Pizza (BPA), 16. Bitcoin File (BIFI),
17 Bitcoin God (GOD), 18 BitEthereum (BITE), 19 Bitcoin Segwit2x, 20 Bitcoin Smart (BCS), 21 Bitcoin Ore (BCO), 22 Bitvote (BTV), 23 Bitcoin Interest (BCI), 24 Bitcoin Rhodium (BTR), 25 Bitcoin Atom (BCA), 26 Bitcoin Private (BTCP), 27 Bitcoin Hush (BTCH), 28 Quantum Bitcoin (QBTC), 29 Bitcoin LITE (BTCL), 30 Bitcoin 2, 31 Big Bitcoin 32 Bitcoin Cloud, 33 Bitcoin Candy, 34 Bitcoin Lambo, 35 ClassicBitcoin, 36 BitcoinClean, 37 Bitcoin Lunar (BCL), 38 Bitcoin Prime: TBA, 39 Anonymous Bitcoin (ANON), 40 Fox BTC, 41 Bitcoin Reference Line, 42 MicroBitcoin, 43 BItcoin Classic, 44 Bitcoin Dao, 45 Bitcoin RM, 46 Bitcoin Air, 47 Bitcoin Post-Quantum, 48 Bithereum, 49 Bitcoin Stash, 50 Bitcoin Core, 51 Bitcoin Dollar, 52 Bitcoin Metal, 53 Hex, 54 Bitcoin All, 55 BitcoinCash Zero... and many more.

45 straightforward blockchain hard forks directly or indirectly originating from the Bitcoin main chain:

https://i.imgur.com/FIJ8N3f.png
https://i.imgur.com/ENLQ5pP.png
https://forkdrop.io/how-many-bitcoin-forks-are-there

To be continued because this is only until 2019. I wasn't able to find a full chronological list of BTC forks from start until today, so we can assume that the list is even bigger  :o.

PS
There is a discussion ongoing about hard forks, soft forks, and pure copycats. Many members stated that only a couple of these coins should be considered as real coins and the majority is nothing more as worthless copycats which add nothing new at all. Of course, I fully agree with all these statements, but the purpose of this thread was to show: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? of course hard and soft once and I didn't provide any details about these coins on purpose.


https://www.forks.net/list/Bitcoin//1/2017-01-01/2020-01-01
https://forkdrop.io/how-many-bitcoin-forks-are-there
https://cryptocurrencyfacts.com/a-list-of-upcoming-bitcoin-forks-and-past-forks/
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hard-fork.asp
https://www.howtotoken.com/explained/bitcoin-forks-chronology-ultimate-list-forks/

/\BTI is the "original" bitcoin fork ***created to empower street artists***  8) weeee$$$$$$$$$$

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Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: imstillthebest on February 21, 2020, 04:55:40 PM
Jesus, Bitcoin diamond, atom and lightning bitcoin lol...

Indeed  ;D ;D ;D

I see almost the same reaction by 90% of people who just found out about this fact and I am not surprised at all because my reaction was exactly the same :D.



my reaction dont really differ with you guys  . i also find it cool and funny . cool because there are so many btc forks and im not familiar to the most of them . i dont even know if whats thier release dates except from the popular bch  . funny because some names are indeed funny   .  there was a lightning bitcoin too ? but isnt it different from the lightning btc network ?  just curious here if they are somehow related to each other .  but thanks anyway for puttting an explanation and actual pics . it makes the thread more enjoyable to read :)


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: desertfox470 on February 21, 2020, 05:33:06 PM
Good to know about this stuff, been mining since 2014 and already knew some of the forks hearing in this forum but never thought that there's a lot of bitcoin fork that happened which I concluded that most of them are worthless coin, right? I like this kind of facts, it's really interesting I wonder about other coins that has much fork like the bitcoin.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: wwzsocki on February 22, 2020, 07:17:07 PM
/\BTI is the "original" bitcoin fork ***created to empower street artists***  8) weeee$$$$$$$$$$ ... https://www.bitcoinstant.org/

If there are any other Bitcoin forks I have missed, then please share them here because I have told already that this list could be not actual.

I was only able to find slightly old information (until the end of 2019) and still there can be more forks I haven't mentioned yet.

...never thought that there's a lot of bitcoin fork that happened which I concluded that most of them are worthless coin, right?...

Right.

...I like this kind of facts, it's really interesting I wonder about other coins that has much fork like the bitcoin.

This is why I have created this thread and we have discussed already that only Bitcoin has so many forks and this is for sure some kind of record here.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: Abiky on February 26, 2020, 09:45:01 PM
There are 105 Bitcoin forks (hard and soft) in total. Of those, 74 are considered active projects, the remaining 31 are considered historic and are no longer relevant.

...

While I have to admit that Bitcoin forks were long before Bitcoin Cash came into the minds of some members of the BTC community, the craze started right after BCH's inception back in 2017. So many Bitcoin forks were created with the purpose of "filling" developer's pockets with money. Only a few have remained on the scene with active development and innovation. Back in the day, many people were afraid that Bitcoin Cash would've taken Bitcoin's place as the number one cryptocurrency in market cap. Even some developers were afraid that BCH would've disrupted the whole BTC blockchain. But right after everything settled, BCH's prominence diminished within the crypto market. After all, it's all about stability/decentralization than anything else. BCH may be faster and cheaper than Bitcoin to transact with, but it's less secure. Since Bitcoin relies on security/reliability, people have still chosen it as their top cryptocurrency of choice.

Needless to say, Bitcoin forks are nothing but quick money grabs by their developers. They take advantage of the "Bitcoin" brand/name for their own benefit. It's no wonder why some of these forks have increased to double-digits across the market. People believe that a fork having the "Bitcoin" brand/name is the next big thing in crypto land. But it's all about real use cases within the mainstream world than anything else. As far as the "leading" forks are concerned, they're still alive because they have developers and individuals supporting them. Both BCH and BSV claim to be the "Original Bitcoin" as a sort of propaganda to attract people into their chains. But the truth is, they lack the trust, support, and stability Bitcoin has obtained after all these years. Sadly, BCH and BSV are centralized and will continue to be for a long time as long as they have huge block sizes within their Blockchain networks.

Nonetheless, it was expected that Bitcoin forks would've emerged at some point in time, given the scalability dilemma within the Bitcoin network. Now that we have "other versions" of Bitcoin that aim for scalability than anything else, the main Bitcoin blockchain can be "free" of worrying about scaling anytime soon. I prefer decentralization/censorship-resistance on top of scalability. After all, Satoshi intended Bitcoin to be a decentralized digital currency for the world without a single point of failure. If Bitcoin remains as is, it'll do fine for many generations. Just my opinion :)


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: hv_ on February 27, 2020, 07:55:36 AM
Finally there is only one true functional Bitcoin needed - any alteration is not Bitcoin

 ;D


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: 2020VISION on February 27, 2020, 09:45:12 PM
There are 105 Bitcoin forks (hard and soft) in total. Of those, 74 are considered active projects, the remaining 31 are considered historic and are no longer relevant.

...

While I have to admit that Bitcoin forks were long before Bitcoin Cash came into the minds of some members of the BTC community, the craze started right after BCH's inception back in 2017. So many Bitcoin forks were created with the purpose of "filling" developer's pockets with money. Only a few have remained on the scene with active development and innovation. Back in the day, many people were afraid that Bitcoin Cash would've taken Bitcoin's place as the number one cryptocurrency in market cap. Even some developers were afraid that BCH would've disrupted the whole BTC blockchain. But right after everything settled, BCH's prominence diminished within the crypto market. After all, it's all about stability/decentralization than anything else. BCH may be faster and cheaper than Bitcoin to transact with, but it's less secure. Since Bitcoin relies on security/reliability, people have still chosen it as their top cryptocurrency of choice.

Needless to say, Bitcoin forks are nothing but quick money grabs by their developers. They take advantage of the "Bitcoin" brand/name for their own benefit. It's no wonder why some of these forks have increased to double-digits across the market. People believe that a fork having the "Bitcoin" brand/name is the next big thing in crypto land. But it's all about real use cases within the mainstream world than anything else. As far as the "leading" forks are concerned, they're still alive because they have developers and individuals supporting them. Both BCH and BSV claim to be the "Original Bitcoin" as a sort of propaganda to attract people into their chains. But the truth is, they lack the trust, support, and stability Bitcoin has obtained after all these years. Sadly, BCH and BSV are centralized and will continue to be for a long time as long as they have huge block sizes within their Blockchain networks.

Nonetheless, it was expected that Bitcoin forks would've emerged at some point in time, given the scalability dilemma within the Bitcoin network. Now that we have "other versions" of Bitcoin that aim for scalability than anything else, the main Bitcoin blockchain can be "free" of worrying about scaling anytime soon. I prefer decentralization/censorship-resistance on top of scalability. After all, Satoshi intended Bitcoin to be a decentralized digital currency for the world without a single point of failure. If Bitcoin remains as is, it'll do fine for many generations. Just my opinion :)

/\BTI forked off in 2014 ~ + clearly coined the term "original" so CSW and everyone else can ride coatails all you want bwaaahahaha  ;D ;D ;D weee

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Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: wwzsocki on February 28, 2020, 09:49:42 AM
I still don't think that this is a bad thing or could be bad for Bitcoin that there are/were so many forks that created so many new altcoins. In my opinion, it only shows how good Bitcoin really is.

If there will be more value in forking other coins, believe me, nobody would even look at Bitcoin and if they do it, then is obvious that it is the best one.

Of course, there is a big probability that most of these forks were done, only because they counted on the name influence BITCOIN.

Maybe they thought, that if it will be called "BTC - something" it would be enough to get a spot between the first 100 on CMC, but as we know this is not the case for almost all of them  ;) :D.

For sure this is some kind of phenomenon and only Bitcoin was forked so many times, which end up with the creation of many new altcoins with their own blockchains.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: buwaytress on February 28, 2020, 09:59:44 AM
Thanks for the interesting thread, I only saw it now. I was actually surprised, but because you only counted 100+. I mean, I could probably count the ones I know about on one hand (fully fingered haha) and yet I thought there would surely be hundreds. So I'm somewhat disappointed only 100 idiots existed =p

I bet we'd be surprised to know also just how many people actually mistakenly believe their altcoin is not on a fork...


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: larus on February 28, 2020, 10:22:21 AM
More than 100 forks, omg. For what? Is people going to really use it?


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: hv_ on February 28, 2020, 03:25:49 PM
More than 100 forks, omg. For what? Is people going to really use it?

Nope - there is only one fully compliant


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: 2020VISION on February 28, 2020, 03:55:54 PM
More than 100 forks, omg. For what? Is people going to really use it?

Nope - there is only one fully compliant

yep BTI ftw!  :-*  the "ORIGINAL" <===


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: wwzsocki on March 04, 2020, 06:26:52 PM
snip

I have to warn you to stop shilling, otherwise, I will have to start to report your spammy/shilling answers.

I am very happy that you posted in my thread but you already advertised this altcoin 3 times and I think this is enough.

Additionally, your posts have no value for the discussion and their only purpose was to shill and advertise this forked alt.

If you have something valuable to say, then please do and I will be very happy to discuss with you further, but this shilling contest has to stop now, please.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: dnprock on March 05, 2020, 12:03:31 AM
This is a fun thread. I created a fork, Bitflate. It changes supply rule to 7% inflation. I suggest making a distinction between technology fork (Litecoin) and blockchain fork (BCH, BSV). I think we need more categorization and experiment with technology forks. I am interested experiments with monetary policies.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: hv_ on March 05, 2020, 06:55:10 AM
This is a fun thread. I created a fork, Bitflate. It changes supply rule to 7% inflation. I suggest making a distinction between technology fork (Litecoin) and blockchain fork (BCH, BSV). I think we need more categorization and experiment with technology forks. I am interested experiments with monetary policies.

The thing is with EXPERIMENTS in our financial world : Learn before what is really compliant FIRST

Only BSV is


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: 2020VISION on March 05, 2020, 04:13:25 PM
snip

I have to warn you to stop shilling, otherwise, I will have to start to report your spammy/shilling answers.

I am very happy that you posted in my thread but you already advertised this altcoin 3 times and I think this is enough.

Additionally, your posts have no value for the discussion and their only purpose was to shill and advertise this forked alt.

If you have something valuable to say, then please do and I will be very happy to discuss with you further, but this shilling contest has to stop now, please.

it's not a "altcoin" it's a FORK!! $BTI has been around since 2014 and they were the early pioneer "shillers" of BITCOIN (BTC) from $10... i find it amazing all these forks and how many were made by the same person. ;) *keep calm*


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: Abiky on March 05, 2020, 07:29:57 PM
I still don't think that this is a bad thing or could be bad for Bitcoin that there are/were so many forks that created so many new altcoins. In my opinion, it only shows how good Bitcoin really is.

If there will be more value in forking other coins, believe me, nobody would even look at Bitcoin and if they do then is obvious that it is the best one.

Of course, there is a big probability that most of these forks were done, only because they counted on the name influence BITCOIN.

Maybe they thought, that if it will be called "BTC - something" it would be enough to get a spot between the first 100 on CMC, but as we know this is not the case for almost all of them  ;) :D.

For sure this is some kind of phenomenon and only Bitcoin was forked so many times, which end up with the creation of many new altcoins with their own blockchains.

Agree. Bitcoin is and will always be the leading chain in crypto land. Developers could fork BTC as much times as they want to. But at the end of the day, the original Bitcoin blockchain will prevail due to its massive adoption (and real use cases) in the mainstream world. The various forks we have on crypto land, shows us how strong Bitcoin is. This is thanks to the decentralized and open source nature of the pioneer cryptocurrency. I believe that these insane number of forks could help improve Blockchain technology for the better. For instance, both BCH and BSV are testing large blocks for on-chain scalability. They could serve as "experimental grounds" for Bitcoin as their large blocks are put up to the test in the mainstream world. With various developers working here and there, the Blockchain industry will become stronger like never before.

Of course, we don't need too many BTC forks in crypto land. Most Bitcoin forks are exact copies of the original Bitcoin with just a few minor modifications to their codebase. Only a few forks like BCH and BSV may survive in the long run, because of their dedicated developers and community. In the end, Bitcoin will be the most valuable Blockchain in the world no matter what. BCH and BSV may be somewhat valuable but that's because they have the same limited supply as Bitcoin. Not to mention, these forks have a strong community backing them (mostly BCH). I wouldn't be surprised to see new BTC forks emerge in the future for every feature on the main BTC blockchain the crypto community disagrees with. If this happens, we could expect a whole lot more than just hundreds of BTC forks across the market. But Bitcoin (BTC) will stand the test of time as an unstoppable store of value for the whole world to enjoy. Just my thoughts ;D


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: dnprock on March 05, 2020, 10:19:01 PM
This is a fun thread. I created a fork, Bitflate. It changes supply rule to 7% inflation. I suggest making a distinction between technology fork (Litecoin) and blockchain fork (BCH, BSV). I think we need more categorization and experiment with technology forks. I am interested experiments with monetary policies.

Litecoin don't have any unique/different technology compared with Bitcoin.

I think Litecoin added some value. They branched out to scrypt mining algorithm and spawned a lot of experiments in hashing and mining. Dogecoin is a fork of Litecoin that is still very active. All those experiments did not pan out. But they proved that hashing algorithms are not important differentiators. I think it'll help future forks to think about whether they really want to alter the hashing algorithm. When I designed my fork, I read about these hashing algorithm experiments. My fork only seeks to experiment with monetary policy. I decided to stick with SHA256.

I read people in Lightning Network are more willing to experiment with Litecoin. It has less value. This is a use case for digital silver.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: carlisle1 on March 06, 2020, 04:53:02 AM
wow i have no idea that these all currencies are fork from bitcoin?now i know why Bitcoin will never overtaken by any currency looking at this thread.
this only shows how companies or individuals believe and trust Bitcoin having this forked.
More than 100 forks, omg. For what? Is people going to really use it?
maybe some are just trying to get sympathy or wanna ride the popularity and of course to profit if having a chance lol.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: pooya87 on March 06, 2020, 05:31:24 AM
All those experiments did not pan out. But they proved that hashing algorithms are not important differentiators. I think it'll help future forks to think about whether they really want to alter the hashing algorithm. When I designed my fork, I read about these hashing algorithm experiments. My fork only seeks to experiment with monetary policy. I decided to stick with SHA256.
hash algorithms are very important and they make a lot of difference. the problem is that majority of altcoins are focusing on changing a thing or two without innovating anything. if they just swap SHA2 with SHA3 (keccak) or double SHA256 in PoW with scrypt or total supply, block size, block reward, block interval,... to something else there is no innovation there which is why they fail to gain any kind of meaningful adoption outside of exchanges.

I read people in Lightning Network are more willing to experiment with Litecoin. It has less value. This is a use case for digital silver.
then you were misled by the litecoin pumpers.
there is a network called "Test Net" that is exactly the same as main network and the coins there have 0 value which is where developers and anybody else who wants to test things out goes to.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: jostorres on March 07, 2020, 07:44:26 AM
I am really pleased and appreciate the Op for such valuable information but I always wondered if there is a website or program that can check how many forked coins are there on my bitcoin address because I am not knowledgeable when it comes to technical part of bitcoins. I know there are a few sites that allow to check forked coins but they only check address with less than 50 transactions and I want to check my addresses that have more transactions. If anyone knows any such tool please mention it.

By the way I think too many forks are just making the fork idea look idiotic and now it has started to look foolish already, similar to altcoins when they came they looked good but now we all know how alt market is.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: dnprock on April 01, 2020, 01:56:00 AM
hash algorithms are very important and they make a lot of difference. the problem is that majority of altcoins are focusing on changing a thing or two without innovating anything. if they just swap SHA2 with SHA3 (keccak) or double SHA256 in PoW with scrypt or total supply, block size, block reward, block interval,... to something else there is no innovation there which is why they fail to gain any kind of meaningful adoption outside of exchanges.

then you were misled by the litecoin pumpers.
there is a network called "Test Net" that is exactly the same as main network and the coins there have 0 value which is where developers and anybody else who wants to test things out goes to.

Different PoW algorithm isn't that unique, especially when both LTC and BTC can be mined with ASIC. I was talking about something that isn't exist on Bitcoin such as smart contract (such as ETH), privacy by default (such as XMR) and ProgPoW (which supposed make ASIC impossible or not efficient)

You also can use BTC Testnet to perform experiment without risking losing your money even the coin is lost/stolen.

@pooya87, you mentioned that there's no innovation if someone just fiddles with the mining algorithm or reward schedule. I wonder if you consider ETH as innovation. There're also newer stacks, EOS, Tron, Polkadot. These stacks are complete rebuild. Are they also not innovating?


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: hv_ on April 01, 2020, 07:21:03 AM
hash algorithms are very important and they make a lot of difference. the problem is that majority of altcoins are focusing on changing a thing or two without innovating anything. if they just swap SHA2 with SHA3 (keccak) or double SHA256 in PoW with scrypt or total supply, block size, block reward, block interval,... to something else there is no innovation there which is why they fail to gain any kind of meaningful adoption outside of exchanges.

then you were misled by the litecoin pumpers.
there is a network called "Test Net" that is exactly the same as main network and the coins there have 0 value which is where developers and anybody else who wants to test things out goes to.

Different PoW algorithm isn't that unique, especially when both LTC and BTC can be mined with ASIC. I was talking about something that isn't exist on Bitcoin such as smart contract (such as ETH), privacy by default (such as XMR) and ProgPoW (which supposed make ASIC impossible or not efficient)

You also can use BTC Testnet to perform experiment without risking losing your money even the coin is lost/stolen.

@pooya87, you mentioned that there's no innovation if someone just fiddles with the mining algorithm or reward schedule. I wonder if you consider ETH as innovation. There're also newer stacks, EOS, Tron, Polkadot. These stacks are complete rebuild. Are they also not innovating?

yea go for -  ETH the innovation for scams


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: Abiky on April 14, 2020, 06:52:58 PM
hash algorithms are very important and they make a lot of difference. the problem is that majority of altcoins are focusing on changing a thing or two without innovating anything. if they just swap SHA2 with SHA3 (keccak) or double SHA256 in PoW with scrypt or total supply, block size, block reward, block interval,... to something else there is no innovation there which is why they fail to gain any kind of meaningful adoption outside of exchanges.

That's certainly true, mate. There are so many altcoins out there with a few tweaks here and there, but almost identical to the original Bitcoin blockchain. This tells us that there's lack of innovation within the project itself. Most developers do this for making a quick buck than anything else. As long as this behavior continues, we'll continue to see failed projects with no real use cases for the mainstream world.

The "success" of the Bitcoin Cash hard fork, has been the main reason why there are so many Bitcoin-based forks out there. After all, people who hold coins on the original chain will receive the same amount on the forked chain. It's like getting free money for doing absolutely nothing. At the end of the day, what matters is development, innovation, and mainstream adoption. If Bitcoin-based forks are missing this, they'll die in the long run. No one will want to invest on a chain that's nearly identical to the original one. Forks like BCH and BSV are almost identical to Bitcoin except a few minor tweaks like an increased block size and an improved difficulty adjustment algorithm. However, their hashing algorithms are exactly the same. Not to mention, they carry the Bitcoin brand/name for marketing purposes.

There can be as many Bitcoin forks as far as the eye can see. But only one will remain as the dominant chain of the entire crypto/Blockchain space. And that is Bitcoin (BTC). No other cryptocurrency matches the original Bitcoin in terms of decentralization, security, and mainstream adoption. Other forks may try hard to take Bitcoin's place on the market by introducing new, but risky features into their Blockchain networks. But they'll never succeed as they're simply copies of the original chain. Let's what happens over time as the space becomes more regulated. Just my opinion :)


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: 2020VISION on April 16, 2020, 03:30:06 PM
===> B

===> T

===> I

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D + 40%

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>_>


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Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: perfect999 on April 16, 2020, 06:34:34 PM
I have never heard of all these cryptocurrencies you have mentioned here, and it seems like they are all worthless, I can't even find any of them online (though I didn't search for all, but the ones I searched for never appeared).

Even If I did find any, I don't think I will ever be interested in investing in any of the coins that are listed. Just look at their names, anyone who is serious wouldn't be using dumb names like these, they all have dumb names, like what the hell is Bitcoin Boy and Pizza? Lol, these people are not serious. I guess this is part of the reasons why they failed, because they had no single vision, so they never knew what they were doing.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: Abiky on April 16, 2020, 07:51:38 PM
I have never heard of all these cryptocurrencies you have mentioned here, and it seems like they are all worthless, I can't even find any of them online (though I didn't search for all, but the ones I searched for never appeared).

Even If I did find any, I don't think I will ever be interested in investing in any of the coins that are listed. Just look at their names, anyone who is serious wouldn't be using dumb names like these, they all have dumb names, like what the hell is Bitcoin Boy and Pizza? Lol, these people are not serious. I guess this is part of the reasons why they failed, because they had no single vision, so they never knew what they were doing.

Many of the Bitcoin forks that have come and gone, served as quick money grabs by developers. With silly names like Bitcoin God, Super Bitcoin, and Bitcoin Pizza, no one will take them seriously. Anyone can copy Bitcoin's source code to make a new coin, but what matters is constant development, innovation, and most of all, real use cases for the mainstream world. Most people are tired of hype and false promises provided by developers working on cloned Bitcoin projects. A cryptocurrency which is nearly identical to the original one, will not gather the attention of everyday people.

I'm surprised to see Bitcoin-based forks like Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin SV still alive after a couple of years since inception. Maybe it's because they're being maintained by developers? If I were to compare both BCH and BSV, I'd say that BCH is the winner since it's constantly being developed with a great number of people supporting it. Some say that BSV is only backed and supported by Craig Wright and Calvin Ayre, bringing concerns over the project's level of centralization. But who cares? As long as the original Bitcoin (BTC) is still alive and running, there should be nothing to worry about. Alternative versions of Bitcoin will most likely fail in the long run due to their inability to provide use cases for the mainstream world. Not to mention, their focus is on convenience/ease of use rather than the security/reliability of the underlying Blockchain network.

In the end, the market will decide which coins will survive and which will die in the long run. I believe that the more Bitcoin forks there are, the better it'll be for the Blockchain ecosystem. Like it or not, this greatly contributes towards the development of Blockchain technology. Issues/flaws that are discovered on one chain, can be prevented on other chains. It's like a "ripple effect" if you ask me. No matter how many forks there are, there will always be one true Bitcoin whose path will be decided by people using/supporting it. Just my thoughts ;D


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: 2020VISION on April 16, 2020, 08:20:22 PM
I have never heard of all these cryptocurrencies you have mentioned here, and it seems like they are all worthless, I can't even find any of them online (though I didn't search for all, but the ones I searched for never appeared).

Even If I did find any, I don't think I will ever be interested in investing in any of the coins that are listed. Just look at their names, anyone who is serious wouldn't be using dumb names like these, they all have dumb names, like what the hell is Bitcoin Boy and Pizza? Lol, these people are not serious. I guess this is part of the reasons why they failed, because they had no single vision, so they never knew what they were doing.

BTI is the ORIGINAL fork .. we are based in Los Angeles / San Francisco

:-D

#EXPECTUS

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Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: Mpamaegbu on April 16, 2020, 08:28:27 PM
The first hard fork took place at block #478559 on 1 August 2017, which transformed into a Bitcoin Cash (BCH), that offers larger blocks (up to 8 megabytes at the start).
To be candid, the August 2017 Bitcoin fork was the one that held the highest uncertainty and apprehension in the crypto community. I was a noob then but I felt the tension in the market. It was as thick as a Russian snow. The market literarily paused and as soon as the fork successfully birthed BCH, everything went on a high drive and Bitcoin went on to record its ATH. Thank you OP for drawing our attention to this. Sincerely, I didn't know we had so many forks as listed.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: hv_ on April 17, 2020, 11:49:41 AM
The first hard fork took place at block #478559 on 1 August 2017, which transformed into a Bitcoin Cash (BCH), that offers larger blocks (up to 8 megabytes at the start).
To be candid, the August 2017 Bitcoin fork was the one that held the highest uncertainty and apprehension in the crypto community. I was a noob then but I felt the tension in the market. It was as thick as a Russian snow. The market literarily paused and as soon as the fork successfully birthed BCH, everything went on a high drive and Bitcoin went on to record its ATH. Thank you OP for drawing our attention to this. Sincerely, I didn't know we had so many forks as listed.

There is only: True original BitCoin (10+ years onchain tested)

and some protocol experiments / variations - incl segwit (just since that Aug 2017)


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: Tipstar on April 17, 2020, 11:54:45 AM
Forking an open source project is generally a good thing as different team works differently on a fork of parent and contribute towards a wide variety of improvements which can be helpful to each other to improve the parent as well as other forks. But with bitcoin, most of the forks are for taking the credit, making themselves popular or even to pre mine before providing the resources to miner in order to gain profit.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: hv_ on April 17, 2020, 12:38:33 PM
Forking an open source project is generally a good thing as different team works differently on a fork of parent and contribute towards a wide variety of improvements which can be helpful to each other to improve the parent as well as other forks. But with bitcoin, most of the forks are for taking the credit, making themselves popular or even to pre mine before providing the resources to miner in order to gain profit.

Partly,

you just cannot fork (and keep its brand...) a financial system / product where termsheets / legal conditions where defined BEFORE / at time it was  released  - that makes Bitcoin very unique


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: James1970 on April 17, 2020, 02:24:19 PM
How Many Bitcoin Forks? It does not matter. Majority of them are total shit


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: hv_ on April 17, 2020, 02:41:44 PM
How Many Bitcoin Forks? It does not matter. Majority of them are total shit

true, 99.99% of all crypto are shit


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: wwzsocki on April 17, 2020, 03:06:55 PM
How Many Bitcoin Forks? It does not matter. Majority of them are total shit

This is true and we all know about this, but the purpose of this thread was to show exactly: How many Bitcoin forks are there?, because many people don't have a clue that there are so many.

As you can see in the opening post, I haven't written there anything more about any of these forks on purpose and try to keep this thread clean and free of advertising any of them.

I am in crypto almost from the beginning and didn't know that there are so many forks of BTC, so I thought it would be great info to share and looking how this thread develops, I was right.

This is obvious that you haven't read the thread because there are such comments as yours and I answered them already a couple of times.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: Abiky on April 20, 2020, 10:34:14 PM
Forking an open source project is generally a good thing as different team works differently on a fork of parent and contribute towards a wide variety of improvements which can be helpful to each other to improve the parent as well as other forks. But with bitcoin, most of the forks are for taking the credit, making themselves popular or even to pre mine before providing the resources to miner in order to gain profit.

It's no secret that some forks will die, while some will remain alive for a very long time. Every fork can contribute towards the development of Blockchain technology one way or another. Different crypto projects test different algorithms and solutions for scalability, privacy, and more. But only those that are capable of providing real use cases for the mainstream world, will survive in the long run. The efforts from developers working on Bitcoin forks will be extremely beneficial for the main Bitcoin blockchain. Features that work on other chains, can be easily implemented on the BTC blockchain if the need arises. It's like Bitcoin forks are experimental grounds for the development of Blockchain technology. By doing this, the ecosystem becomes stronger than ever.

No matter how many Bitcoin forks there are, only one chain will be the true winner. So far, Bitcoin is the leading cryptocurrency in the industry with a large number of developers, businesses, and individuals supporting it. I'd expect it to be that way for a very long time, because of its first-mover advantage on the market. Bitcoin forks will never be able to take Bitcoin's brand recognition within the mainstream world. They may copy Bitcoin's design and name, but they'll never be as "trusted" as Bitcoin is. Mainstream adoption matters above anything else. BCH, BSV and other Bitcoin forks are way behind Bitcoin in this regard. Ultimately, the market will decide which coin will remain as the "real Bitcoin" for the foreseeable future. Just my opinion :)


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: tbct_mt2 on May 10, 2020, 03:18:27 AM
Descending Family Tree of Bitcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2597083.0)
Árbol genealógico descendente del Bitcoin. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2419168.0) (Spanish version).
Could you take a look at the descending family tree, please.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: wwzsocki on June 06, 2020, 12:58:31 PM
Thanks for sharing, because it is good to have all these threads connected if somebody wants to do an in deep research for example.

This is just insane how many of these forks are there actually and that they are already totally forgotten, even services which are tracking BTC forks haven't mentioned many of them.

I see many additional BTC forks mentioned in this thread quoted above and despite I have done a lot of research before writing this article, I see them for the first time.

So many of them disappeared already and that is why it is great and important to have such resources, as here on the Bitcointalk to be able to track everything if needed.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: tbct_mt2 on June 06, 2020, 02:11:30 PM
I see many additional BTC forks mentioned in this thread quoted above and despite I have done a lot of research before writing this article, I see them for the first time.
They are clones and they can have any names with the prefix Bitcoin to scam naive investors. For knowledgeable investors, there is no need to remember their names because they can quickly investigate and know those clones are scam coins.
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So many of them disappeared already and that is why it is great and important to have such resources, as here on the Bitcointalk to be able to track everything if needed.
I don't say those clone coins dissapeared, they are more likely zombie coins after the FOMO phase went away.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: Abiky on June 10, 2020, 08:12:21 PM
Thanks for sharing, because it is good to have all these threads connected if somebody wants to do an in deep research for example.

This is just insane how many of these forks are there actually and that they are already totally forgotten, even services which are tracking BTC forks haven't mentioned many of them.

I see many additional BTC forks mentioned in this thread quoted above and despite I have done a lot of research before writing this article, I see them for the first time.

So many of them disappeared already and that is why it is great and important to have such resources, as here on the Bitcointalk to be able to track everything if needed.

There are so many Bitcoin forks that are not needed in the crypto/Blockchain space. Most of them are quick money grabs by their developers. After realizing people got free Bitcoin Cash by holding Bitcoin prior to the fork, most developers have started to create their own versions of Bitcoin with the intention of getting free money. But at the of the day, what matters is mainstream adoption above anything else. I guess that the only Bitcoin forks that will turn out to be widely successful in the future will be Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin SV. The rest will simply go down the drain. With lack of interest into Bitcoin-based forks from people in the mainstream world, their underlying blockchain networks could be at risk of a 51% attack. For instance, Bitcoin Gold has suffered 51% attacks many times. That's largely because network hashrate is very low compared to bigger chains like Bitcoin and Ethereum. It's this reason why so many Bitcoin-based forks have failed in such a short amount of time.

Nonetheless, it's normal to see many forks out of Bitcoin due to its decentralized and open source design. The more forks there are, the more developers will be able to improve the Blockchain. We can learn from previous forks' mistakes in order to make Bitcoin a better cryptocurrency for the world. Bitcoin will ultimately prevail while its forks will fade into oblivion. Some altcoins like Ethereum, Litecoin, Monero, and a few of them which are not direct forks of Bitcoin will survive on the market. As long as you choose the right crypto projects, you'll be able to maintain your investment for the foreseeable future. Just my thoughts :D


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: hv_ on June 11, 2020, 06:11:59 AM
... and how many are - as a financial system - legally compliant ? If many at all ? Code - compliant are not many for sure


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: DoubleEdgeEX on June 11, 2020, 06:19:34 AM
Thanks for sharing. It´s actually pretty insane that there are so many using a system that is proven of not being the best out there.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: Wind_FURY on June 11, 2020, 11:23:13 AM
... and how many are - as a financial system - legally compliant ? If many at all ? Code - compliant are not many for sure


Can you, or anyone, give me the full context of the video in this tweet? Because I don't know if he's actually serious, or just flat-Earthing again. Or he is flat-Earthing-serious?

https://twitter.com/bitcoinmemehub/status/1270914358038552576

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Bitcoiners be like: "Not your keys, not your bitcoin"

Craig be like: "Your keys is not your bitcoin"



Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: hv_ on June 11, 2020, 11:43:04 AM
... and how many are - as a financial system - legally compliant ? If many at all ? Code - compliant are not many for sure


Can you, or anyone, give me the full context of the video in this tweet? Because I don't know if he's actually serious, or just flat-Earthing again. Or he is flat-Earthing-serious?

https://twitter.com/bitcoinmemehub/status/1270914358038552576

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Bitcoiners be like: "Not your keys, not your bitcoin"

Craig be like: "Your keys is not your bitcoin"



Keys matter only if u can proof u own them rightfully - so using stolen keys is not working (compliant) - u don't own those bitcoin

so signing only makes sense (legally) once you have ownership attached - like for eSignatures

We could agree, BitCoin was built for micro-pay , cause here : not much care


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: Bezobraznike on June 12, 2020, 07:16:01 AM
   I am surprised! I knew there are many Bitcoin forks, but I didn't know there are so many of them. Thanks for
sharing this list, it's interesting to see all those forks at one place. Some of the names are very imaginative, I
got to admit I heard for maybe 10 Bitcoin forks, all others are unknown to me.
   What you think are people done with Bitcoin forking, or we will see new forks in the future? And also how
potential this forks are?


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: Wind_FURY on June 12, 2020, 07:29:02 AM
... and how many are - as a financial system - legally compliant ? If many at all ? Code - compliant are not many for sure


Can you, or anyone, give me the full context of the video in this tweet? Because I don't know if he's actually serious, or just flat-Earthing again. Or he is flat-Earthing-serious?

https://twitter.com/bitcoinmemehub/status/1270914358038552576

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Bitcoiners be like: "Not your keys, not your bitcoin"

Craig be like: "Your keys is not your bitcoin"



Keys matter only if u can proof u own them rightfully - so using stolen keys is not working (compliant) - u don't own those bitcoin

so signing only makes sense (legally) once you have ownership attached - like for eSignatures


Then that might represent its own problems, for example if I have proof for legal ownership of my coins attached to a private key, I can send those coins to Craig Wright, and tell the police that Craig Wright stole it from me, to get my coins back.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: Leviathan.007 on June 12, 2020, 08:47:20 AM
Good job @OP,
In my own idea, Since bitcoin project is open source and available on GitHub for everyone, anyone with some blockchain development knowledge and some C++ programming skill and create a bitcoin fork. Soon, in near future we will see thousands of forks. Regarding your list, we know BCH as the most famous and well known fork. But, in the other hand, forks in your list are currently inactive. I think in 2017 many forks happened after the bull run mostly because the bitcoin getting more famous in the word.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: Twinkledoe on June 12, 2020, 08:59:40 AM
How many so far are still active in the market? I think only few of them have real active trading going on. Most of them are just manipulated by the corresponding devs of the project to keep them alive in the exchanges.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: wozzek23 on June 13, 2020, 05:33:11 PM
People are really funny. So I’m wondering, those that caused all these fork what exactly are they gaining from it, or did they think that a copy of Bitcoin can overtake the original copy? This is complete stupidity and if there’s anyone that chose to invest in these trash, then I really don’t know what to say them. Going from the names they are answering, it doesn’t even seem any good, they are all answering dumb and stupid names.

By looking at them, it looks their creators didn’t even put any thought into it, they just named it whatever came to their mind. What a dumb approach? Both BCH and BSV are alone having somehow decent value so far unlike most other forks but not sure how these to also going to suffer in near future when most people will prefer only bitcoin. I guess at least here after people might learn the lesson for wasting all their resources in the attempts of forking bitcoin.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: Wind_FURY on June 14, 2020, 11:38:01 AM
People are really funny. So I’m wondering, those that caused all these fork what exactly are they gaining from it, or did they think that a copy of Bitcoin can overtake the original copy? This is complete stupidity and if there’s anyone that chose to invest in these trash, then I really don’t know what to say them. Going from the names they are answering, it doesn’t even seem any good, they are all answering dumb and stupid names.


Roger Ver believes that it's the real path of Bitcoin to be like "cash" because it was Written By The Hand Of Satoshi in the White Paper, without considering the externality costs of increasing the block size.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: MCobian on June 14, 2020, 11:50:55 AM
I am among those who are not surprised by the many bitcoin forks, because I have predicted there will be a lot of bitcoin forks.
Because bitcoin is open source so it's only natural that in the future there will be more bitcoin forks. Which makes me disappointed
bitcoin forks most are shitcoins, only a few are profitable. My advice is do an analysis and research before investing in bitcoin forks.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: Twentyonepaylots on June 14, 2020, 12:00:47 PM
How many so far are still active in the market? I think only few of them have real active trading going on. Most of them are just manipulated by the corresponding devs of the project to keep them alive in the exchanges.
As for a basic google search, there are 74 active projects bitcoin forks project and 31 are historic that is no longer existing up to date, so there are 105 bitcoin forks. To be honest I only know bitcoinn cash, bitcoin Satoshi Vision and bitcoin diamond these forks are the only pricy forks of bitcoin that I know. And I also believe that MOST of other forks are heavily manipulated just to exist and attract investors. Can't blame bitcoin for being the king, there are more of forks coming.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: murat131 on June 14, 2020, 12:59:32 PM
How many of them had good reason to do fork? Only first 3? Others just decided to get free money during hype?


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: tbct_mt2 on June 14, 2020, 03:03:32 PM
How many of them had good reason to do fork? Only first 3? Others just decided to get free money during hype?
None of them had good reasons to clone Bitcoin, in a short answer. Bitcoin Cash is the most successful among the more than hundreds clone coins.

From that list and from the list of ETH forks, you can get your lesson that any coins clone the original coins should be considered as lower quality one (or zero?) and you should never put all your belief and capitals in clone coins. If you invest in clone coins, and see opportunities to get good profits, do it ASAP before it is too late for you to get profits and at worse get your capital back. If you are too late, you will end with losses.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: Abiky on June 20, 2020, 02:06:04 AM
None of them had good reasons to clone Bitcoin, in a short answer. Bitcoin Cash is the most successful among the more than hundreds clone coins.

From that list and from the list of ETH forks, you can get your lesson that any coins clone the original coins should be considered as lower quality one (or zero?) and you should never put all your belief and capitals in clone coins. If you invest in clone coins, and see opportunities to get good profits, do it ASAP before it is too late for you to get profits and at worse get your capital back. If you are too late, you will end with losses.

Direct clones of Bitcoin will tend to be useless in the long run. They're only created by their developers in order to serve as quick money grabs rather than being serious cryptocurrencies for mainstream payments. As you've said earlier, Bitcoin Cash is the most successful of all Bitcoin forks (clones) out there on the market. With it, people can choose from one chain to another. Those who prefer true decentralization/censorship-resistance will choose Bitcoin even if transaction speed is low and fees are high. Others who prefer quick payments at a fraction of the cost will simply choose Bitcoin Cash on top of the original Bitcoin (BTC). The rest of the forks will simply die in the long run, as no one is interested in many copies of Bitcoin.

Nonetheless, original projects are the ones that will thrive in the long run no matter what. Despite Bitcoin's "flaws", it's still alive and running after all these years. People value it because it's the most decentralized cryptocurrency in the world. It's not about which features or tech you can provide to a cryptocurrency project, but rather how useful you can make it for everyday people. With an ever-growing ecosystem of developers, businesses, and applications alike, Bitcoin is here to stay for a very long term. The same thing will happen with Bitcoin Cash. As far as other useless forks go, they may die in the long run but the open source nature of crypto and Blockchain technology allows anyone to build something new from defunct projects. The more coins there are on the market, the better it'll be for the advancement of Bitcoin and Blockchain technology. But ultimately, one cryptocurrency will win. And that cryptocurrency will be Bitcoin. Just my opinion :)


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: ghost424 on June 28, 2020, 02:25:50 PM
This is a helpful posts that is suggested if you want a good read or good knowledge about Bitcoin's time frame. We can see that even though Bitcoin was good, developers knew that it was not good enough so they have established or created forks which is actually good to spread the volume.

This is really a good read for those who are new and those who are veterans who lacks knowledge about the main Bitcoin. Thank you for the good posts.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: UserU on June 28, 2020, 02:32:51 PM
The more coins there are on the market, the better it'll be for the advancement of Bitcoin and Blockchain technology. But ultimately, one cryptocurrency will win. And that cryptocurrency will be Bitcoin. Just my opinion :)

Not really. After all, they're usually piggybacking off some existing blockchain, like the ERC-20. Why learn about Bitcoin through a shitcoin (and probably lose money in the process) when you could just start off with Bitcoin itself?


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: stiffbud on June 28, 2020, 04:05:18 PM
The more coins there are on the market, the better it'll be for the advancement of Bitcoin and Blockchain technology. But ultimately, one cryptocurrency will win. And that cryptocurrency will be Bitcoin. Just my opinion :)

Not really. After all, they're usually piggybacking off some existing blockchain, like the ERC-20. Why learn about Bitcoin through a shitcoin (and probably lose money in the process) when you could just start off with Bitcoin itself?
People don't aggressively market bitcoin because there aren't any affiliate marketing plans involved in bitcoin. As people are paid to market other new ICO and IEO so they market those projects and earn money from them, whereas those people who watch the content on the marketer's channel are the ones that loose money in the process of buying that token and not bitcoin. I guess there should be campaigns to promote bitcoin also as it will prevent many scams from happening to the newbies.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: Welle1943 on June 28, 2020, 04:22:35 PM
If we look at the issue in a philosophical way, most cryptocurrencies are forks from Bitcoin, the more after these forks Bitcoin code and more details are added to it the more stable it is like ETH.

As for the thorns, which are from lazy programmers who amend one or two details, they will end with the death of them. you can find that most of bitcoin hardforks are useless.

Hardfork is a way to earn fast in short time.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: carlfebz2 on June 28, 2020, 08:06:45 PM
The more coins there are on the market, the better it'll be for the advancement of Bitcoin and Blockchain technology. But ultimately, one cryptocurrency will win. And that cryptocurrency will be Bitcoin. Just my opinion :)

Not really. After all, they're usually piggybacking off some existing blockchain, like the ERC-20. Why learn about Bitcoin through a shitcoin (and probably lose money in the process) when you could just start off with Bitcoin itself?
People don't aggressively market bitcoin because there aren't any affiliate marketing plans involved in bitcoin. As people are paid to market other new ICO and IEO so they market those projects and earn money from them, whereas those people who watch the content on the marketer's channel are the ones that loose money in the process of buying that token and not bitcoin. I guess there should be campaigns to promote bitcoin also as it will prevent many scams from happening to the newbies.

Just only differentiating between numbers then its no surprise that ICO and IEOs would really have much more focused when it comes to marketing and Bitcoin doesnt really need that at all.

We have seen lots of forks but those are just meaningless things.Bitcoin does have it all, there might be some lacking on feature but doesnt mean that it would be simply being patched up neither by a

forked coin itself or in most alt coins in the market which do always target out to be on the top of the chain.


Title: Re: How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!
Post by: Abiky on July 09, 2020, 06:59:01 PM
Not really. After all, they're usually piggybacking off some existing blockchain, like the ERC-20. Why learn about Bitcoin through a shitcoin (and probably lose money in the process) when you could just start off with Bitcoin itself?

Exactly. It's pointless to have so many forks bearing the "Bitcoin" brand/name. Anyone can simply use BTC's testnet or create a private blockchain out of BTC to develop and test new features. What I've seen is that developers are creating Bitcoin-based forks with the purpose of getting rick quick. After BCH went successful giving away free coins to BTC holders, developers in the crypto/Blockchain space took the opportunity to create more BTC forks to earn a lot of money in an instant. But at the end of the day, coins with no purpose in life (especially those that are direct clones of Bitcoin) will go down the drain in terms of price and mainstream adoption.

As far as Bitcoin forks go, only Bitcoin Cash will be able to survive in the long term. That's because it was the very first direct fork of Bitcoin which started this craze. Besides that, development and innovation on BCH is on-going. Day by day, BCH differences itself from the original Bitcoin blockchain in terms of scalability and features. It has the same supply and block time as Bitcoin, but it's scalable "out of the box" without any additional layers whatsoever. Both chains (BTC and BCH) could be tested over time, in order to determine which is the best scaling path forward for the Bitcoin protocol. The one that turns out to be the most decentralized, will mostly likely win in the long run. And so far, Bitcoin has been doing a great job by taking the "off-chain" scalability approach to preserve decentralization as much as possible. Just my opinion :)