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Mechanical technicians build cars and rockets and computers. Bio-virus technicians build biological warfare viruses.

Who has more control over what they are doing? The technicians who are not involved with microscopic life... the mechanical technicians.

Bio-virus technicians often don't know what the results of what they are doing will be. They learn, but life is such a complex machine that they don't know enough to really know the results... for sure, long term results.

But, understand one thing. The machinery of life was built by God, the Creator of all things. And, He has left Himself observations of and controls over of everything... that is, REAL controls over everything. He also desires freedom for people.

Because God is in control, and because he wants freedom for people, and because He observes everything, the only way for us to keep our freedom is to freely come to know God, and to have a free and right relationship with Him. There are 3 ways that God introduces Himself to us, so that we hopefully get into a right relationship with Him:
1. Offering it to us through the Bible;
2. Allowing pain to come to us so that we turn to Him for help;
3. Destroying those who will not accept Him, so that those who do accept will not be influenced to turn away from Him.

All the good things, all the happiness in life, all the bad things, all the trouble in life, exists controlled by God, so that people will come to a right relationship with God. God controls it all for this purpose. A right relationship with God is the only way to a right and good life.

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He observes everything, the only way for us to keep our freedom is to freely come to know God, and to have a free and right relationship with Him.

With all due respect, if He observes everything and this is the only way, then how am I actually free to choose?

Your theory are good for monotheistic religions. How can you explain Buddhist system of views? 

Where is your Christian empathy?

Nice going, calling for genocide, WTF?  You are unhinged.

You really need to read more books.  You are a religious radical.

god is not some entity out there in space.. used to blame something else instead of your own actions

the real 'god' is that bit of subconscious in the back of your head which hints at you to try doing good things and is the reaction without thought to pull your hand away from  fire and the part that keeps your heart beating.

you teach your 'god' by learning about life learning good and bad and thinking about YOUR actions.

in badeckers case his god is out of control, as his many topics have proven

From Luke 17: '12As he was going into a village, ten men who had leprosy met him. They stood at a distance 13and called out in a loud voice, “Jesus, Master, have pity on us!”

14When he saw them, he said, “Go, show yourselves to the priests.” And as they went, they were cleansed.

15One of them, when he saw he was healed, came back, praising God in a loud voice. 16He threw himself at Jesus’ feet and thanked him—and he was a Samaritan.

17Jesus asked, “Were not all ten cleansed? Where are the other nine? 18Has no one returned to give praise to God except this foreigner?” 19Then he said to him, “Rise and go; your faith has made you well.”'

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Buddhism is wrong.     8)

Not calling for genocide at all. It's only your warped inability to read or think that makes you say this.

God does what He does. He made people for the relationship He would have with them. There is nothing else for people. Without the relationship they are destroyed. It's nature. God is to be greatly commended in that He holds back the natural destruction that unbelievers are bringing on themselves by rejecting relationship with God, for as long as He does.

God is good. God is giving. If people ask for destruction, God gives, even though He knows that people are crazy. He gives them a chance to turn to Him. But when they won't, He gives them what they are asking for. He gives it because He is in control, and at best people ask for everything they receive. People can't do anything without God doing it for them.

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Completely wrong understanding of God.

God controls man and the universe like a programmer programs a computer... only, unlike the programmer, with complete perfection and infallibility. God has made and manipulates the whole universe in perfection. Not one law of physics is ever out of balance. God controls it all.

Isaiah 66:1: '1This is what the Lord says:
“Heaven is my throne,
and the earth is my footstool.
Where is the house you will build for me?
Where will my resting place be?
2Has not my hand made all these things,
and so they came into being?”
declares the Lord.

“These are the ones I look on with favor:
those who are humble and contrite in spirit,
and who tremble at my word.”'

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God allows everyone to say and do whatever they want.
He taught that we have our freedom to act by our will.
He observes what is happening for sure and if we are about to destroy the world, he is going to come again and save us.

agree 100% i see it first hand, this world is not entropic

Yes! But God allows us to see Him through the good things He does in nature, and through the Bible, His Word. We don't have any excuse for not seeing Him. The governments and the media - the world - teach us against God.

Revelation 11:18:
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Your third point is why I left the catholic church.  If god is going to send me to hell because I don't worship or pray to him, even though I live my life in a very "righteous way"..going well above and beyond what the avg human does in terms of good deeds..then I'm pretty sure that makes him an evil dictator.

How does it not? Why are they so hard up for me to pray to them..Does that stroke their ego or something? What in the hell does that accomplish for the betterment of this world?  Nothing.  I can live a moral and just life without going to church or praying or believing in a certain god, or any god at all.

1000's of religions across the globe and every single one of them think theirs is THE true one lol

God is in Control a girl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp53irFjzYg

Like my muslim friends are saying, buddhists are idiots. From monotheistic point of view, only an idiot would consider Buddhist system as something logical.

You misunderstand what God is doing and what it is all about.

Adam and Eve were made in the image of God... essentially God-like.

Then they disobeyed God, turning against Him by eating the fruit. But what they really did was to turn against themselves when they turned against God. After all, nothing can destroy God but God. Nothing can destroy the image of God except the image itself... since God doesn't want destruction.

Then God came in the form of Jesus and took the punishment of pain and death for everyone. This means that Jesus gave people their life back, from death. But people seem to want to jump back into death (Hell) by disregarding the gift of life God is re-giving them.

I feel sorry for you. You want life and Heaven. But you are killing yourself, and rejecting the only way you can be saved. And you want to blame God because He doesn't do it your way. God offers salvation for you in the best way possible, and, because of what people are, maybe the only way possible.

Get into the Gospels in the New Testament of the Bible and see what Jesus did for you... and be saved.

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oh badecker.. seems you swapped freeman cult for church cult.

when will you ever have an independant thought of your own instead of quoting outdated subjects

I spent 18 years of my life learning about this God guy.  One thing that was consistent you don't seem to understand is that the Bible is NOT a book of scientific facts.  In fact, every priest or nun I ever spent time with in school specifically stated that the Bible is not meant to take as literal facts but as teaching of god to help guide humans in to a better/more moral life lived.  My own uncle who was a priest nearly his entire life.. said the same. 

Well educated on this subject.  Seemingly more so than yourself.  I think religion is great in many ways, helps guide people to a better life through it's teaching, mostly...but it's also fiction and outdated and has plenty of nonsense to go a long w/the good. I guess I will just have to deal w/going to hell. Sucks.

Why do you suggest that I don't know that the Bible isn't a book of scientific facts? It is, however, a book of facts. It seems a little that you don't realize that science is a gathering of information, not a grouping of facts. Science theories are absolutely stated by science people to NOT be facts... even though they might contain many facts at times.

So, is any of your un-factual Bible to be understood as facts? Or should we understand it as science fiction? After all, things like talking snakes and talking donkeys and God speaking the universe into being, these all seem like science fiction, don't they? If this is the way you feel about the Bible, is there anything factual in it at all?

Either you take the Bible at face value, or throw it away. But, nature and not the Bible, shows us that God exists. That's why there are so many religions around. Not recognizing God through nature is way more of a religion - a religious training - than observing God through nature. The Bible is simply a book of power that gives us details about the God we see in nature, but the details that we don't.

Check into the history of the Bible, the facts about how it is penetrating the world, and the history of the people who wrote the Bible. There is power there, of the kind that doesn't come about by coincidences.

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I am not an atheist but don't blame God for each and every thing happening in this world.If he is real then he is busy watching all the planets and aliens so he might only have few minutes to plan what should happen in this world. :D

Daddy is sitting in his easy chair, watching TV. Little daughter climbs up on his lap and starts playing with Daddy's fingers. Then she lifts Daddy's hand over to his drink on the side-table. She wraps his fingers around the glass, and proceeds to lift Daddy's hand with the glass in it. Then she turns Daddy's wrist, and dumps the contents of the glass all over Daddy's lap.

Was Daughter strong enough to lift Daddy's hand? Was she capable enough to wrap Daddy's fingers around the glass? Could she lift the hand with the glass in it?... she is barely able to lift the glass alone. Wasn't it really Daddy who moved his hand and arm, working with his little daughter out of love?

Same with everything we do. God does it with us out of love. Everything. Few people have enough strength to do telekinetics. But even TK is just the tip of the power needed to move the iceberg.

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You are right that God controls everything People will never be able to control themselves Without its decree it would not be possible to move a leaf on a tree no matter how much people use technology unless God wants it. When we do what He does He sees everything and observes all of our good and evil deeds Allah is One and the Unique.

You have heard of a corporation. A corporation might have many members. When the treasurer, for example, signs a corporation check, she is acting as the corporation. When the corporation trustee fixes light bulbs in corporation buildings, he is acting as the corporation in this capacity. Many corporate members; one corporation.

God is one. Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit are Members of God. When they act in their capacities, it is God acting. One God; three Members.

No matter how much a person understands that God exists and that there is one God, if He doesn't recognize that there are 3 persons in that one God, He is looking at a false God in his own mind.

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Consider Bitcoin who has control of it? Its creator made it in a way that it could grow and prosper without his/her intervention, yet clearly stated it could fail.

Can humanity fail? Yes. Does it have free will? Yes.

Its not about control, its about design.

I suppose the people who died has finally discovered what true "freedom" is right? Basically being freed from this world.

Didn't Jesus himself talked about this when talking about who's responsibility it is when people die when a tower fall over them?

Has Bitcoin fallen yet? Has humanity failed yet? Both have been stronger at times, and weaker at other times. Humanity will never fail entirely because God will reserve some people for Himself. Bitcoin will go down with the crash of the earth... if it is still around when the crash comes.

God is in control. How? Through the physics of the universe that He made. Cause and effect, and miracles now and again. God's intervention is here all the time. John 5:17:
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Consider 1 Samuel 28:15:
Samuel was a great prophet of God, although there were some that were greater. He died and went to Heaven. Yet, when Saul had the witch of Endor - https://www.biblehub.com/niv/1_samuel/28.htm - bring Samuel's spirit up, Samuel said, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" So, how could Samuel's spirit have been brought up, since he was already in Heaven?

To answer this (there is a lot of confusion among Bible scholars), consider Hebrews 4:12:
It is the soul that is saved. The spirit is earthly in its doings... at least to a great extent. While the earth stands, those that die in Christ are given temporary homes (white robes, righteousness), while awaiting the Judgment day - Revelation 6:9-11:
The white robes include a temporary spirit of righteousness, until the time of the resurrection. Then the body will be perfected, and the spirit, soul, body, and mind will be one in each person again... in perfection.

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There are so many gods, so how do you know which is the correct one?

I believe in Mother Nature, and her ability to constantly improve the environment, and the rich diversity of life on it. She has already solved the coronavirus problem, and people are recovering. However we can't leave it alone, so we will continue to inject poison and disease into people's arms to enrich the bankers. This will create an even more crippled population ready for the next pandemic.

The God Who created the universe that operates perfectly, never failing in even one tiny law of physics. This God is perfect. The fact that He is perfect in everything and throughout Himself, shows that He is holy.

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And he sanctioned slavery.

Holy my ass.  Any decent human being is better than your Bronze Age God.

When a person sanctions his own slavery, and you don't, you are taking freedom away from that person.

When God sanctions the slavery of that person, God is upholding that person's freedom.

If you don't want to be a slave, and you don't get paid as much as your boss, you had better quit. If you don't, you are contradicting yourself.

God wants peace and well being for all people. Since many of them want slavery, He is giving them what they want. It brings about peace.

You are simply not up to speed in your attempted badmouthing of the God you don't want to believe in, but can't help but believe in.

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Gods will is that the EU will be the future heavyweight in the west. not the nihilistic usa and its gangbangers.

or the french, english or russian nazis

^^^ But how do you know that the EU will be king?     8)

the king is being made by god, the power of the king granted at the mercy or wellwishing of god, however there are some obstacles.

even presidents have power granted only by god.

regards

Now we got you BADman decker with your dirty fingers in a cookie jar. Dishonest person and Copernican cultist. Telling other people to believe what Bible says, while you don't.

https://i.imgflip.com/2ic6fb.jpg

This is all true^^. But how do you know that it is the EU, and not the USA?

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because the EU is assembling itself,

the USA will also continue to be strong it will however change its form (through trump)

we will see a reversal of powerful.

age of american liberalism is over, it was highly destructive in the west.

western civilisation needs to change, usa and its irreligious liberalism drained labour and manpower over centuries from europe, america basically absorbed europes traditional strength, this will have to change with religious/communist values returning to usa and EU.

Where it was when a lot of people died in world wars? Where it was when childrens got killed ? Where it was?

God is perfect. All people are bad because they are imperfect.

God sent His son, Jesus, Who died on the cross to take all punishment for all people of all times. Then Jesus arose from death to show His power.

The only way to be pure with God is to accept/believe in Jesus.



Do you want to help? Learn about Jesus in the Bible. Then tell other people so that they can learn about Jesus, too. If enough people learn about Jesus, there will be no more wars and disease.

The children that were killed are with God in Paradise if they didn't reject Jesus.

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Not necessarily, if humans decide to live in space and make artificial colonies etc they can also take Bitcoin with them. More probably each colony would have their own blockchain due to the distances involved.

Of course humans may go extinct much earlier. Its estimated the Sun has still 5 billion years estimated to go before its transformation into a red dwarf that may or may not swallow the Earth (but would definitely destroy its biosphere). The Earth itself is only 4.5 billion years old, so it has not even reached its half life, and 500 million years from now there is no guarantee humanity as we know it will continue to exist.

Sure Satoshi reserved some bitcoins as well, but what will ever become of them?

Its not intervened, its designed so it doesn't need any constant intervention. Control means constantly changing things that were already defined, and that is not the case. The physics of this universe aren't constantly changing, whenever ignorant humans can ever entirely comprehend them is another matter.

There is no proof as to the age of the earth. Much of the evidence suggests only a 10,000 to 20,000 year age. The idea of 4.5 billion years is only an advertised number, accepted by a few scientists who have interpreted certain observations the way they want, and believed by many people who are susceptible to all kinds of advertising.

If humans all got together voluntarily and decided to live in space... nobody knows that they could? It's never been done. And the few who live on the space stations are nothing compared with the whole population. Space life on colonies is an unknown.

Consider evolution. There are those who have though that evolution proceeded via "punctuated equilibrium." Why not physics changes in general?

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Of course  God has control over the God who created us  He sees and controls everything in us and helps us once we are in peril The sun and therefore the sky are the sole Gods of all the world. He judges us through the great things in our lives He has given us the liberty to make us to worship Him He can destroy this world and make a replacement one if he wishes.

God is in Control?
Churches had to shut down live services, millions of hard-working people are suddenly unemployed, people cannot eat out, go to movies or concerts, sports are cancelled. Anyone paying attention would notice that the Government is in control.

God probably brought the Coronavirus on us to get us to focus on Him. After all, He is more important than life itself.

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god is not humanist, he is a designer of this world,

The creator of this whole world is that the only God you'll save us from of these things if you would like to In my mind he's a person's being If we pray for him he will soon solve our crisis Now everything is in his hands. the govt can do nothing If God cures this epidemic everything are going to be fine again.

A Programmer surely existed,
I asked where I am, my mind said I am in a shell living to see the world until its ending.

Our curious mind always asked if a Programmer molded us then who molded him?
My answer is he is always the first I call it the Orig Programmer the source of all and the Alpha and Omega of Creation, Cycle, and Reboot.

The crisis and pandemic isn't this current CV thing. Rather, it is the whole idea of death.

God sent His Son into the world to die for our sins. Now that this is done, even though the death crisis affects us all, there will be a resurrection at the last day.

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Which god is in control?   Is it like the DT system, where different gods get chances at changing the world every month or year or eon?

The god in control right now believes his creation is too populous.  :/

You continually ask, "Which god?" There is only one God. God the creator.

There are many angels who are stronger than people, and might look like gods to some people. There are even people who are "strong" in some way so that they might look like gods to other people. But there is only one God, the Creator.

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You say that.  Billions of others say different. 

My question still stands - which god is in control right now, so we can remove them from the rotation?

There isn't any "right now" about it. You can't remove the Creator. Satan tried that and failed.

Many people like yourself haven't checked into the evidence and the proof for God. As many people have idols, you, also have an idol (or many of them). That idol is yourself, that you think you are smart enough to place yourself above God.

Because of the thing that God made people for - to recognize His wonderfulness, and praise Him for it - He has built into you the ability and strength to reject Him if you want.

But you don't want to see His goodness. You don't want to recognize the millions of opportunities He is giving you to turn to Him. It's too bad, too. Because God will get from you what He wants... you can't get away from it. But it will be painful for you, in the end, when you are forced to recognize Him, and that you wilfully rejected the only thing that can bring you peace... believing in God.

The important thing for you at this stage is that you keep on looking at things that other people say about God. This is important, because the more you focus on God - even though you think He doesn't exist - the more chance you have to slip up in your own hold on your will that is against God. And the more chance you have to turn and be saved.

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When God's representative gets trolled
https://youtu.be/ffhI5q1XW28

God gave people freedom - this is the greatest gift that can be given. Therefore, even when we are not on the side of God, but on the side of the devil (when we are not doing good deeds, but doing bad deeds), then this is our choice, because God gave us the freedom to choose. This is necessary in order to develop your spiritual side, possibly, it will take several lives (reincarnation). However, any person can develop his spirituality in one life, if he chooses it and will strive for God every day.
Yes, God is everywhere, but God does not want our endless deaths and rebirths. It is our choice when we act badly (no matter what).
But God is always open to us if we choose his side. It is never too late to start living high ideals such as sincerity, friendship, true all-encompassing love, conscience, etc.


God is one for all people, no matter what you call him (depending on religion or culture). Spiritual knowledge is in all religions and different spiritual movements. It is important to understand them correctly.


We can turn to God only to guide us on the spiritual path. If we ask for something materially (health of the physical body, well-being of the family, etc.), then we ask for it not from God, but from the devil, because the nature of God (and our soul) is spiritual and immortal. Everything material in this world is mortal. Of course, we should monitor our health, make money out of necessity, but our main goal is to achieve immortality, i.e. connect with the spiritual.


Or in other words - those who do not accept God, but accept the devil, will destroy themselves.

God works everything. The things we do are things worked by God, spiritual or otherwise. The fact that we do evil at times, is why Jesus suffered. God can't do evil, but He does everything. So, Jesus suffered the pain of maintaining the universe (for a time) even though there is evil in it. Our spiritual life is us requesting God a little, and is God directing us a lot.


But people are not one for God. Some people don't recognize the real God. The real God must include Jesus-God as well as the Creator-God, and the Holy-Spirit-God, Who is active on Earth, now. However, just because many people don't recognize God, God still holds them... for a time. Nobody recognizes God perfectly.


Part of Jesus's ministry on Earth was a ministry of healing. We are not limited to spiritual things when we ask God. Mark 11:22-26:


All people have essentially destroyed themselves in this life, through death. Those who are blatantly and formally evil, bring an early death on themselves... partially because the universe is directed towards good by God, and partially because God is protecting those who are not so blatantly and formally evil.

However, the timing is up to God. At times He lets evil people last a long time, while believers are taken home early in life.

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