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Greetings, colleagues!

My company is creating a crowdfunding platform in which prizes will be drawn among investors. To do this, we will use real gaming equipment (roulette, slot machines, card games, etc.).
To organize access to equipment via the Internet, we have developed a technology that needs to be tested from different countries.
I need your help, which can be paid by us in shares in the authorized capital of the project.


The test order is as follows:
1. We agree with you about the test time in this topic.
2. I pass on to you and you enter a test login on the login page of your personal account.
3. I am sending you a temporary password to enter.

1. 2. 3.  Logging into a test account:

4. In your account there is a tab "Oнлaйн cлoты" (written in Russian) "Online slots". You will need to go to this section, enter the amount of 10 in the "Cyммa дeпoзитa" field and click the "Haчaть игpy" button.
5. Do not leave the page! After my confirmation, a window will open with the gaming machine and buttons for controlling it.
6. Your task is to test the game and inform me in this thread about problems noticed.
7. At the end of the test period, you will receive a reward in the project tokens.

Having  a crowdfunding by a gambling site is not a good idea, its better to have a private investorss than making a crowdfund.
What kind of share you will give for a tester?

This kind of testing may be not that good but surely you will find people here that would love to test.I have a few virtual environments in my home so I can test it if you like.Just send me the links and everything with a message here and when I will have time I will give a try,maybe on Weekend when I will have free time.

I hope you can consider using the English language on the website because if you use it, I am sure that it will attract more people to test your site, and I am sure they will give suggestions to make your site better. I am curious about the technology that you used, is it different than the existing gambling games? I hope that your site can be accessed without using a VPN, or if it needs a VPN, I think we don't have a problem to use it.

No matter how much will this be tested, there will be a trust issue: can you prove the gambling equipment is provably fair and will stay so?
Block hash from the major crypto currencies is lately pretty much used in draws; it could be an option for you too.

So the gambling part may need improvement on the idea/implementation part.
Then.. the investors may not care about the draw / prizes at all. They should care the projects are good, fair and will make them money sooner or later.

I have a couple of concerns. You said that you will be using real gaming equipment. The examples you have given are roulette, slot machines, card games, etc. Do you mean physical gaming equipment? These are not virtual, right? If so, how could we possibly test their fairness if we are only testing them through the internet? We could not verify, for example, whether the roulette is evenly installed.

Secondly, paying with project tokens does not sound enticing, to be honest. Project tokens, by default, are worthless. Efforts might go to waste. How about paying with BTC or other trusted altcoins such as ETH or LTC?

I am pretty optimistic at first but after realizing that they are really using real gaming equipment in real-time then there is really some issue involve within it, but realizing that there are real gaming equipment this will be needing a person that will be sending live feed or creating live stream room for players to enter and make their bet, but this is what I am seeing on what may happen if you would create something like this it is really unique and players can not play skill-based games online but is it going to be 100% fair, there are many blindspot that the players can not see and the casino can surely use that.

Yes, I plan to use real equipment. Now I need to test the creation of the "room" and the connection speed. The slot machine to which the tester will gain access is used only as test equipment.

This must be tested now, so that people will recognize this kind of gambling quickly and people will have reviews about this gambling with real gaming equipment. As you've tried to let people play, see the reviews and feedback so that you know what are the features you're lacking. It is very unique to see the physical gambling, but it has pros and cons using it since it is new to people. The possible pros and cons are, Pros are it is interesting to play because it looks and feels like real so you will have fun playing it. Some cons are if it is really legit and not programmed, since it is virtual it is easy to manipulate and control the outcome of the gamble that uses real gambling equipment.

Write me the time and date at your convenience.

How exactly is this different from normal live casinos? Do you have some sort of robot that operates the slot machine, or is it a person doing it?

Please send me the details, I'd like to test this platform out.

No need for any reward, as I'm actually curious how you manage to allow people to control slot machines and roulette over the internet. I assume it's using real people, if so, no innovation there.

At the moment there is one slot machine connected to online control. You can test it. We plan to do the same with roulette (a ball throwing mechanism with open parts).

why not  ? have you heard or see an idea like this before and what is the result , bad or good  . while on my case i havent heard one and this is prolly the first . its unique so it attracts investors but what i dont only like is that the rewards are being raffled  . they should have get something in return like coins that they can sell later on for profits , just like what other projects have  .

there are two phase actually , private and public  but i think its better if they have both  or make a private first  , then next public so that they can accumulate enough funds  for thier development    .

they say they will give out tokens for the testers  .

Not all unique things attract people.

While some things might be new and obscure to the normal user, there is still a fine line between uniquely interesting and just plainly unique. The idea is something new, yes, though I don't think people from the internet would easily entrust someone their funds with the only guarantee they have that they will get their money back is the word of the person conducting this crowdfunding.

You can't even be sure that the machine/equipment that will be used is of provably fair nature, so how would you entrust someone with your investment that easily?

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As for the OP, how can I be sure that the machines that will be used on my gambling sessions wouldn't be rigged in any way? I have no physical contact to the said machines and you guys can easily rig it to your heart's desire without me knowing..

And another thing why not fixed the Russian language to an English one I know this is a Beta test but I think getting this in full English isn't that hard, and there is no detailed explanation on how would you use real gambling equipment in your site, and if this would be possible with the use of Live stream then I understand, There are many questions but if this is a thing for poker and that you can make it playable online then it is a great thing using real gambling equipment, but how?

To be honest, from OP's explanation I'm not able to understand the scope of this project fully. Overall it sounds interesting but the OP should in my opinion put more effort to better explain the concept.
So, there are real world machines that the user can have some control over remotely?


Out of curiosity, I'd be willing to help in this testing phase.

What time is convenient for you?

Indeed I am agree. Not all the users can understand and speak in Russian language that's why you have to change it and I am suggesting to use English language in order for us to easily understand each other. And yes you are right, there is no concrete explanation why the OP wants to use real gambling equipment in their site most especially when we all know that we are connected through virtual connection and we are anonymous to each other so what is the purpose of the OP in conducting this research?

This kind of crowdfunding will always be a problem to most of the people who have a trust issue. They may have to ask more about it but at the end it's still not worth it because they don't seem to trust if they don't know what they were doing.

It seems like OP is needed some kind of a tester on their game just like a beta tester.

I smell an indirect way of advertising for an upcoming crowd funding after ICOs and IEOs have lost their fame. To test those gambling things, they can easily gets 100s of testers in real time as those mentioned equipment are part of all physical casinos. I may be wrong but just stating what I feel on first impressions.

Apart from those things, it seems it is going to be a Russian site as OP is providing instructions on where to click and what to do for a Russian language. It is going to be interesting after how those testers are going to share their experience with this all new thing of this sub-board.

Judging from the replies on this thread. It seems everything doesn't really add up, Physical gambling equipments but testing would be done over the internet? I'd like to see how it goes. I'm indicating my interest to test out your "new" technology. Feel free to hit me up with further details about the testing.

You missed mentioning the token's worth. I think your readers would need this important information to decide whether it's worth testing or not.
By the way, I did not see any link on your post. Seems you forgot to add it. Or you added it already but I missed it or something.

Email me as soon as you are ready to start testing.

Is your offer opened to non-russian speakers? I'm interested in it but I don't speak russian, so I won't be able to understand how to play if everything is written in russian language on your gaming platform.

Management of the game in English. You will easily understand what needs to be done.

First of all you are not asking people to test,you just asking to write feedbacks about you which is going to be obviously good because the users simply have to follow your instructions.You also offering bounty for this task?

If yes then this should be moved to somewhere else not in gambling discussion.

I'm interested in your opinion, first of all. If it is positive, then we will create a topic in the bounty section.

But in order to form an opinion, one must first look and understand? Is not it? And testing provides maximum information for thought.

They do indeed need a tester thats why op is offering project tokens as a reward if you do see some bugs or problems towards the concept.
I dont really believe too much on the possibility on controlling a real gaming equipment via online or by a certain user.Its quite confusing or
do make me curios.

@OP, if you do really need up some testers then you should risk on giving out BTC or top alts as a payment or reward, not a project token which doesnt
have a value.

You will use real equipment for your online casino, right?

Still, I can't understand how you can apply it physically to virtually. The usual process of online casinos is to make everything virtual. You will follow a certain set of the algorithm while at the same time, you must show to everyone that everything is fair and square (provably fair).

What do your testers need to found? Just bugs? I checked your post history if you able to explain what's this all about but it seems you didn't explain it properly yet.

Visit this site https://xn--80aaxbsed0b0i.xn--p1ai/
In the login field, enter this number 9619968922
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After that, according to the instructions, you will see everything for yourself.


P.S. I tried to solve the problem of making an offline casino accessible from the Internet.

It sounds so exciting about that event, but upon reading the real gaming equipment that you will be going to use such as roulette, slot machines, card games, etc. So you mean you will use a non-virtual material, then we cant see the process of winning, so how can we know whether there is a fair process that happens? I suggest that you should have a live stream upon doing a roulette or other real gaming equipment, it will be better for your suggested event if we see what is happening, in that case, there will be no doubt for the participant that the game can have a trick. It is better if we see the process of winning compared to knowing the winner.
I want to suggest also that you should use the English language for all those links that you presented so that it will be more convincing.

Forum members will call it as trust farming if you are going to pay people if the site gets positive feedback.You can start offering bounty for the initial testers as well if you trust about your technology.

The video / audio stream of the game process and must be tested from different distances. Controlling a slot machine is a secondary task for testing.

As I understand it, your idea is similar to an online casino when using web cameras. The idea itself is interesting, but in my opinion it is now quite outdated.
Now you need to move towards virtual reality technologies and create a casino using augmented reality or a fully functional virtual reality casino with the widest possible action functionality.

You are right, we use webcams, but the method of transmitting a signal to a gambler is different from what others used. That is why we need to test technology from different countries. In addition, you need to check the method of remote control of gaming equipment.

P.S. Thanks everyone for the feedback! In the coming days, we will translate the site into English and open registration for the whole world. Thank you for the advice!

Indeed, when you are pursuing a crowdfunding based business, then you might consider making your language general so anyone can access
and understand what really is happening. (just a piece of advice/opinion free to disregard) This idea is not a new one on this forum but I wonder what kind of technology are you using the cause as you've mentioned, --it sounds like its a new one. If I have time I will definitely check your site. Just leave the lin here and we will be more than happy to check it.

In my personal views about being monitored by cameras whike playing a real life casino, this isn't fair on our privacy. But with virtual casino which can be played independently online, the mindset can be changed. We had a full confidence that we're going to win luckily even though there's no assurance in gambling. Everything is an entertainment merged with fun excitement of gaming.

Why not? As you have said, it is still on the testing stage. So you can always try and find out if it will gonna be successful at the end. Honestly, crowdfunding and doing it in this way like using real gaming equipment is somewhat unique for me. But it is possible, if this idea of yours turn out well, then many online gambling owners may somehow envy and do the same. If the proposed protocol of yours do not have any problems, I can see success from this plan.

Using this link https://aнтимaния.pф/login-social (https://aнтимaния.pф/login-social) you can create a test account for yourself and take part in the test. Today, testing will be possible within 1.5 hours of the publication of this post. I will inform you about the next test period additionally! Thanks!

P.S. By the evening test period I will prepare a video instruction.

Well i can see some appeal to this, but i'm wondering: If you have 100 players wanting to play slots, does it mean you have to have 100 slot machines with 100 web cams for each? What if 1000 want to play concurrently? I see a scalability issue here, and i don't think your players would like doing virtual queues.

Of course some games like roulette can be shared among many players but you have other type of games where you will run into this problem (and i bet maintenance of the machines will be the same as a physical casino).

Which is very pleasing to gamers. Playing online using virtualization is more enticing and entertaining than playing using webcams the idea nowadays already being established in the mindset of every gamblers. More and more gamblers embrace this kind of online gaming.

Having the opportunity to observe how another player replenishes money in the slot machine and enter the game after it, probably knowing that the money is there, is the most winning strategy in offline casino.

My goal is to make online casinos as close as possible to offline. The queue is a distinctive feature, a chip. I don’t know how to say it in English! :)


Virtualization gambling is the next logical step and we have plans for it.

The fact that you use real gaming equipments appeals on legitimacy, though you should show a valid certification from a legitimate and trustworthy regulatory on your locality to operate these equipments that would be supposed to be fair.

Once you established that, and proved us that you're trustworthy, then investors might reconsider your request.

Also, the payment in tokens doesn't seem to be plausible. These gamblers want a trusted way of getting back their investment. It's better to use BTC first before migrating to your own token.

but even other investment kinds like ico do also pay in the form of tokens  . same on here , this was also a kind of investment like an ico so they also pay in tokens  . but when it comes to actual play/gambling  ,  they should be paying on a crypto depending on what they support or on what the gambler use to play thier game  . i also agree on the certificate part or on the license because every offline operations will require it first so that they will be legal and no issues are going to experience soon   .

yups even not Bitcoin but those existing currency in which Investors might find it secure to put their Money because Tokens seems like ICO that are being hated by the community because of legitimacy and issues of scamming.
but the concept seems to be attracted and may gather many players soon so make a good promises to them for a long term business running,remember in this community the competition is very tight one wrong move and you are dead,so better be careful in every steps you make.

Thanks for the advice.
We are currently selling shares in the authorized capital of LLC, which owns the rights to the project. This is better than an ICO, as it gives legal rights to an investor for a share of the project’s profit, as well as a legal right to sell shares back to the Company in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation. In the summer, the created platform will begin to carry out its activities in the European Union, for which a company will be registered in the EU.

If its shares that you are selling now, then you are in the wrong forum and your target market is not in this community since that share that you are selling is not for sale using Bitcoins for sure. Furthermore, you need to be transparent, where is the company located, who is behind the project and their back ground as well. I tried to open the link you posted but it is not working. Is it because domain name is in Russian?

Im not buying it, this project is very edgy where in fact you could hire software developers, software testers to do this in a test environment. If you could make gambling machines, why not hire testers and pay them with your shares of this project ?

For starters you could try to give us links and information to the people behind the project and who's the head.

About the link: we brought out the login button for testers (highlighted in red) on the main page of the site https://xn--80aaxbsed0b0i.xn--p1ai/ (https://xn--80aaxbsed0b0i.xn--p1ai/) and therefore the old link stopped working.

We will accept payments in all liquid cryptocurrencies without violating the laws of our jurisdiction.

But now I'm interested in the test results (connection speed, stability of the created room, etc.) and your opinion on the prospects of such an approach to business (crowdfunding platform, which will itself attract investments in the projects of its clients).

You are absolutely right, that is why there is no point in such mechanisms, because you can install 1000 virtual slot machines for 1000 players in virtual reality.
Moreover, the development of technologies in the future will allow you to create virtual reality almost identical to our reality.

The only question will be how honest the random number generator will be in such casinos.

That's very interesting but you need to add English on your website because not all of us can read the Russian language, I am interested on the test since you are going to give rewards at the end of the test, this is something new and could become big if your platform become popular in the gaming industry.

We will provide client companies with the necessary amount of gaming equipment for holding draws among buyers of their assets. If I understand your question correctly.



Yes you are right. The principle is the same.

That's better? We started to translate into English. Logged in via Google to a test account. When you enter your account, 101 bonus for the test are awarded.

Now the slot machine is online. You can test.

That's better? We started to translate into English. Logged in via Google to a test account. When you enter your account, 101 bonus for the test are awarded.

Now the slot machine is online. You can test.

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A quite impressive, attractive and convencing to gamblers using real gaming equipment in an online gambling but of course it is much more attractive if they could present a valid certification of their legitimacy to operate such online gambling. Which in fact some of the online gambling just don't need to use real gambling equipments hence can provide a legit gambling that also presents a good credibility especially a good reviews and feedback from gamblers which i guess really matters having an online gambling site to attract gamblers.

We are now creating an application. There is no English translation yet (((.
We announced a test period with the aim of placing the application on Google Play. It goes without saying for a fee in the form of a share in the authorized capital of the LLC, which owns the rights to the crowdinvesting platform.

I don't think it's fair for the people to pay for the gambling site's creation and have them pay you again to play it, I mean this with the future of your site in mind. People wouldn't be very pleased especially when you take into account the fact that you'll be the ones to take the profits of your site yourselves. Might as well use a different take on this, perhaps look for a private investor, just don't crowdfund it.
It sounds like they are located somewhere in Russia, though even that is not certain since it's on the internet. I guess it's fine that they aresharing this project in this forum since they will be using cryptocurrencies as bet payments anyway, what I can't quite understand is why crowdfund a project that you would expect the people to pay you with?

Ate you close to get the maximum tester or there are still room for others to join? I think I'll hop in once there are others who already give an honest review, I don't want to risk my time over this and could you specify the reward that will be getting from each participants/testers? I think you should at least be transparent from here on out.

It is good if you still give an update on your project because that can help people know more details about what you did for your project and the project's progress. But I see you are not yet translated your main language into English because I think that is an important thing that you and your team should do to attract more people. I am a bit confused about what your homepage is because I can't found it here. Besides that, if you have a website, it will help you introduce the project to more people. At least that can help people get more information about the project, and I think they will be interested in your project.

What do you mean by unsubscribing to this forum? It looks like a negative for me to unsubscribe to this forum.
Have to agree, they really are a dedicated team to still update this thread of their work. Maybe the reason that they are not yet attracting more people is because they are still a small group and I think the members of this forum is enough audience for them so far. I have to second your statement that they should create a website because impressions are important, they can hire someone from the forum if they want to.

It's just now that i Visit the thread again and good to hear about those plans.

So Now that you're already in Business?

Ohhh, Here it goes , and after almost a Year there is already a Good update in regards the Application in Google Play , But Make sure that you'll get no Clone from Phishing sites because this will damage your reputation and your rising career .

But First Make sure to have english translation because this will cater the whole world and not only specific countries .

I bold to that because that will give a chance to get more audience and promote his site if he already has the site.
At least, in the other forum, @OP mentions can use English translation, so members in that forum can see the update.
That is why we should download the apps from the right sources, and I think the @OP already gives the links on here to download.
But I think he needs to do many things to ensure his project will provide success and have many members by promoting his site.
I wonder if he still needs more testers to test his apps.

they cant control clones or phishings because they dont create it .
any site can have that and if your site is popular you can easily have different clones but you can search and report them to protect your sites repuation and your costumer from getting scammed or hacked .
 they didnt released english language but reading his reply makes him want to create an english version next . this was a trial , theres more to be fixed and improve on the next update.

For participating in testing, you will receive 10,000 ATN. These are the internal tokens of the project. They have the following functions:
1. The right to claim a share of any projects that will be posted on our platform.
2. The right to claim a share in the authorized capital of our platform during this year.
The project is from Russia, but a partnership has already been opened in the EU (Estonia) and in the summer we will already change jurisdiction.

To be included in the list of test participants, fill out this form https://forms.gle/DAVVT11qm8JaT5pN7

Now the mobile application is in Russian. English translation will be completed within a week. The recruitment of 100 testers is underway.


The project is from Russia, but a partnership has already been opened in the EU (Estonia) and in the summer we will already change jurisdiction.

I think people will pay, because our project is the first casino in the world where players will not lose.


Updated description.
Users of the bitcointalk.org forum can request instructions in any topic on this forum that is relevant to our project.



The site will be translated into English within a week. https://antimania.io/


 ;D

We had a translation when we tested online access, but within a year we made a new design, integrated licensed games from Igrosoft, added projects for voting and are now testing this bundle. We actually wrote a new site. We opened a company in the EU, hired a lawyer there, adapted the business scheme to the EU legislation (not yet posted on the website, update this summer).
The translation of the site into English will be completed within a week.


Yes, testers are needed. Link to the participant form https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf7gyoarTzlv_ehMm8Ak-DpmfFECht-VmFHL6qv68sCSGOyxA/viewform

By the way, do you have limit for testers that you are going to accept? And I am a little curious, do the testers can get something in return? You have stated that they can receive 10k ATN but I am not so sure if it will be use for testing or this will be the reward for testers?

I visited your test participants form but I am a little bit puzzled with the last requirement "Link to your welcome post on the forum, in topics that match your language preferences". What does it mean?

Users of the bitcointalk.org forum can request instructions in any topic on this forum that is relevant to our project.

Your reward for testing the mobile application will be 10,000 ATN to your Ethereum address if you register in the mobile application with test data.
If you register with your real data, you will receive real shares in the authorized capital of our Company with registration of rights with the tax office.

ATH tokens give the holder the right to buy shares in any projects. which will ever be posted on our platform. Within a year, for ATH tokens, you can get shares in the authorized capital of our platform!

Even though investment is a game of probability, there is need for a very great and irresistible value proposition from a given project.
You know gambling is the highest of a risky business, combining it with crowd funding is not very suitable for investors unless the gain is very very great.

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I think you need two things for this project to be feasible and for people to show interest. They are:
1. You need a great business model that'll support the crowd funding investment strategy.
2.  You need an mvp and not a demo. I visited the site, it doesn't have a great UX and UI.

I believe this help.


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If investors are gamblers who hide their money from their passion for gambling, then the value proposition of our project is completely irresistible for them. Saving money that would otherwise be lost at the casino!

Project looks interesting. How is the project going after a year? Still in test phase? Didn't visit the site, but looks like real slot machines are going to be connected over the internet and people can play it, right? In that case, how can people proof that it is a "real" slot machine and the machines aren't rigged? If you guys are really legit, make a business model and approach investors. Some might be interested.
By the way, what's the difference between a live casino and this one?

I am also among those who are curious regarding the status of this project. It would be nice to hear an update, OP.
I also think that this project would not be compatible with crowdfunding as per with the  intensity of the risk this type of business has.
Seeking and proposing the project to private investors would be indeed a much better approach in seeking project capital or funds.

The slot machines currently connected to the project site are installed under a license from a well-known Russian manufacturer (Igrosoft company).

Investors are not needed, we sell shares of the project to gamblers. If someone wants to buy shares without playing slots, then "welcome". We give a 100% bonus for the purchased share. This means that when you buy 1 share, you will receive 1 more as a gift!

The difference between a "live casino" and this one is that the gambler does not lose. If I translated your question correctly :)


Private investors want too much. They want control. I don’t want to sell a startup, I want to make it the way I see it, not the way investors will make it, making it another way to cheat sick people.

For people saying they're going to have huge problems with cliners and pshishing sites, I'd like to say that there is a good chance the devs can do something about banning these phishing and hackers since Google Play is more interactive with app developers now more than ever and is always willing to help in ensuring no clones go unchecked. That being said, out of market applications can still pass by the radar unnoticed so it's always up to the costumer to take care of himself.