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I kept thinking about this lately.

I know merit sources are generally thorough with analyzing posts from all ranks, as they should be.

However, I was thinking if it would be a good idea to have merit sources dedicated only to low ranks (Newbies and Jr. Members), from the following reasons:

- I saw often that merit sources keep saying they are out of sMerits. Sometimes this implies not just without the sMerits received for being merit sources, but also without the sMerits they received as being regular users. Thus, I think there are either too few merit sources or their sMerits received for being merit sources is too low. Having merit sources looking only for low rank members would imply: (1) more merit sources and (2) a certain amount of merit going directly to low rank members. If the current merit sources give their sMerits to all ranks, once they are out of sMerits they can't give merit to a low rank member, even if they would intend to do that (of course, considering the respective user has a post deserving a merit).

- considering that current merit sources remain very often without sMerits, if there is a number of such sources dedicated only to lower ranks, all the other merit sources could concentrate eventually on higher ranks. For example: a merit source won't have the feeling of "guilty conscience" in case he / she wants to merit a low rank user and he / she remained without sMerits, knowing that even if he / she can't award himself / herself the respective user, several merit sources dedicated to low ranks are out there and there are high chances that the respective user will still be rewarded.

What do you think?

I  heard merit sources complaining that they have issues finding low ranked members with posts worth meriting, so somehow I doubt merit source specifically dedicated for lower rank is a good idea. Sounds to me like a lot of hassle and work.

Few months ago theymos increased merit allocation for active merit sources and removed inactive ones. Something like that is more elegant solution, imo.

Sources have their own style to send their sourced merits and I guess they probably feel more easily to send their smerits to lower ranks if posters make something good. It is a shame to have same demand of quality for all ranks, from low to high.

I started topic in my local Croatian section where anybody (high or low ranks) can report their good quality posts and receive merits.
I always had enough merits for this purpose and sometimes other members also join and give their merits.
I even started similar topic (merit giveaway for newbie and jr members  ) in the beginners section of the forum but looked it because only a few users  applied.
So, in my opinion we have enough merit source but not enough good posts which deserve merits.

Probably, it's a good idea to increase the merit sources but to specify merit sources for low rank members isn't really a necessary. Merit sources know when to spend their sMerits with the right person to receive. I am not saying that low rank members aren't posting quality contents, but merits are deserved by those who strive to provide contents worthy enough to contribute with formality and thoughts with their posts.

In addition, merit sources providing merits to high ranking members who posted good and quality content isn't the end whether they've spend all their sMerits to these members.

I am pretty sure that high ranking members knows the protocol as well, so they could help those low ranking members to earn merits earned from merit sources.

In short, the best system we have now for me is enough, and if there would be something to modify, that would probably be increasing the number of merit sources we have now.

If you'll have MS dedicated for lower ranks, then there must be MS dedicated for higher ranks too :D but I'm just kidding. Seriously, there is no need for that. Merit sources knows their job well which is to find quality or constructive post and help some deserving members to rank up.

I can't say that they are complaining but I read some saying that it's hard. The reason why some merit giveaway threads exists is to give more chance to lower rank members gain merits for their quality posts and some even have a specific rank required like full-members and below. Sadly though, it seems only a few are interested.  

I don't really understand why people make it sound like it is only the Merit Sources who can give away Merits to quality posts, while that is not true. There are hundreds or thousands of active members in this forum, and most of them would definitely have at least a few sMerits to give away if they come across a post they find worthy of it. So I don't think that it is because we have less Merit Sources if a post, from a user belonging to any rank, gets no Merits at all -- but the reason behind that can only be the unworthiness of that post, otherwise, I doubt that anyone having sMerits on them wouldn't have seen it and ignored it.

Merit Sources are only to increase the Merits circulating in the system, and are not on a mission to specifically search and merit posts from users of a specific rank.

My issue is not with running out of merit, but with there not being that many meritorious posts from newbies.

I almost always spend all my source sMerits within 24 hours of them being replenished, and often even sooner than that. I always make sure I have a small handful of my own sMerits on hand specifically to award good newbies. While 1 or 2 merits might not make much difference to a Senior Member (for example), they can make a big difference to a newbie. I also have a custom patrol page set up which shows me recent newbie posts in only non-spammy boards - it pretty much excludes all altcoin boards and local boards which I can't read - which I view several times a day. I keep a close eye on Loyce's Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093271) thread, and I also look at all the merit giveaway threads I see.

I have a much lower threshold for meriting newbies. I'm happy to rank up any newbie who is here for the right reasons - to learn and discuss, and not just spam - even if their posts aren't that good.

Despite all this, I usually only find less than 10 newbies per month to send merit to.

Whenever a good newbie shows up, they have no problem rapidly acquiring merit and ranking up. I don't think the issues is the lack of merits for newbies, but rather the lack of newbies making good posts.

This. Most of them tend to be looking for earning opportunities so it's best to avoid allocating MS's for these ranks.

If they don't bother to learn the ropes, then they don't deserve the Merits.

Still, I still see Merits dropped on lower ranks from time to time, so there's no shortage.

lower ranks members obtain Merits faster than other ranks. usually I give a 1 Merit to everyone who makes an acceptable post/topic "from the lower ranks" and this Merit becomes more difficult with the rank increases.

Finally, Merits sent by MS are used again "half the number (sMerits)" by the members who obtain them, so the distribution will be good.

Distribution of Merit sources is often related to active boards, local language, Useful content and enrichment of the fourm, and not ranks.

Isn't the below statement of yours in contradiction with what you just said?

Not really. No doubt there are some posts that go unnoticed, but then there are members that happen to drop by and give out Merits.

And then the giveaway threads.

After all, Merits are given out on free will.

No. This is asking to either have a lot of abuse or a situation in which it would appear there is a lot of abuse (which would make actual abuse more difficult to detect). The majority of lower rank users post nothing other than crap and don’t deserve merit.

I have given out hundreds of merit based on merit (no pun intended), and most of the time, lower rank users are not deserving of receiving merit. If I was a merit source, I would give out merit based on if a lot of effort is put into the post, if the post makes a good point, if the post presents an interesting perspective, if the post is one that “we want more of” and similar reasons. I would not base sending merit on if they are a low rank, the only exception being if they make generally very strong posts and need merit to rank up to a high rank.  If merit sources follow this (I believe they mostly do, with few exceptions) low ranked users will naturally rank up.

I do like this idea not just because it will bring more chances to earn merits for lower rank members but also it will create different levels of standards for meriting a post. For now, if a newbie wants to get merits he should make extraordinary knowledgeable and useful posts but with higher ranks, it is not the case most of the time.But this logic is totally upside down right,how can we expect a real newbie to post such things,if there is a newbie doing then he is not really a newbie at least to crypto related things.

I disagree (a bit): Merit is meant for posts, not for users. If a high ranking user makes a good post, they deserve Merit.
The idea is that Merit trickles down from there to other users, as long as those users share their sMerit to other good posts.

I wrote "a bit", because I actually have much lower standards for Newbies already: all I'm looking for is believing it's a real user (so not a bounty spammer with many different accounts), and if that's the case, I believe they shouldn't be restricted by the Merit system. I usually check for plagiarism too, just to be sure.
I am a bit in a luxurious-burden position though to say this, being the 6th most generous all time merit sender (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsendat), currently ranking second in the last 30 days (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsend). Whenever I have a bit of a busy day, my source sMerit instanly piles up.

Low ranking users need only 2 things:
1. Make good posts
2. People with sMerit to give have to read them
The first point is up to them, the second will happen eventually, but there are also enough options (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093271.0) to draw attention to their posts.

The rare Newbie with extraordinary posts will have no problem ranking up. See bullrun2020bro (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2744352) for example. For any other Newbies, I've merited posts that I wouldn't have Merited if they'd be high ranking already. See this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5132606.msg50633876#msg50633876), this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5224839.msg53813374#msg53813374) or this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5222295.msg53748587#msg53748587) example.

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The number of posts per week (http://loyce.club/active/7d.html) has been dropping for a very long time now, while more sMerit is sent (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5069140.msg53801213#msg53801213). That means more sMerit per post, so ranking up should be less difficult now than it was a year ago.

This will give us a summary of which ranks merited which other ranks between 01/02/2020 and 07/02/2020 2:47 GMT:
https://public.tableau.com/shared/DTW352X27?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link


The data shows an uncontextualized view of the merits received per rank on aggregate for the most recent week of data that I have for this month. Looking at the numbers there, Newbie+Jr. Member + Member total 692 earned merits (12,91% of all earned merits in the timeframe). The figure seems small in comparison to some other ranks, but to be honest, the content that I personally encounter does not postulate to merits that often, for many posters belonging to those ranks.

Those who are decent enough should stand-out pretty quickly, and eventually they should be merited by someone. I do find that I personally am a bit more wary of lower ranks that post well, and I may wait to see the poster creating content for a little while before rushing to the press the merit button (specially on my local board). I do tend to have a more relaxed criteria when considering whether to merit or not a lower rank, but also find it hard to merit further on from the first repetitive answer.

I don’t think we really need to specifically have merit sourced focused on specific ranks, but sometimes new merit sources will bring diversity in terms of rewarding, and the more eyes on the field the better I figure (but again, not specifically with a rank-based focus).

Very interesting info;  thank you.
I think it's normal that lower ranks receive less merits.
They don't have enough experience and knowledge to write good quality posts.
I also,  as others, trying to help them with merits but I can't lower my standarda to much because it will not be fair toward other members and their posts.
New members have to make some effort to educate themselves,  learn new things and than share their knowledge and experience in the forum.
It's not good way just to beg for merits without making real effort to deserve it.

Forcing a merit source to merit only specific ranks is counter-productive and which is why I think such a idea would not be followed up.

A merit source's job is to go through posts and merit those that are worth their time and having something substantial to talk about. If you force them to only merit certain ranks then they would have a hard time completing their merit quota or end up diving the distribution of merit in a wrong way if the ranks being talked about start spamming meta with their "Give me merit but I dont ask for it" threads - which I am sure almost every other older member here has seen and become sick of reading.

Indeed. It would be too subjective and would not be that effective. Giving merits can also be a person's reputation, as if one give merits to a non-sense post do somehow also means that he/she tolerate such actions. Also, having many trusted users to give merit to threads/posts or users they think worth and deserve the merit would just be messy and somehow useless as there were in fact a variation of different user's perspective on what is a useful post, a helpful and informative post, or even a funny one.

Low-ranks, even I myself, must not focus on gaining merit. But instead achieve greater and useful ideas by continue doubting and looking for a new knowledge to be further explored.

That will be a tough job, you have to read a ton of bullshit spam or useless posts to find a good post that was not merited.

Those who come into the forum for the first time and have no idea (or have a minor knowledge about bitcoin or blockchain) what crypto is and want to learn about bitcoin and the forum are doomed just because, most likely the questions they have are already answered.
It is very difficult to distinguish a genuine newbie from already banned sig. spammer, account farmer, trolling bot, and other low-life creatures lurking around here.

When you see a good long post from a newbie, you just rush to his post history in a hope that he has more like this, but quite often the rest of the posts are one-liners in a broken English. Next thing you do, is to check for plagiarism, because you don't believe that this guy is capable to write such a post after the crappy post history.
Sometime you find something, sometimes you don't. Do you really want to merit an account farmer?

You feel kin'a better when you see an already merited guy posting something good, just quick look on his merit history and then post history and there you go. Somebody has already done the dirty work to find the quality newbie and rise him up so people like you to spot him easily..

So, basically no one will want to be a newbie merit source.. it's just too much work...

I wish I attend an English language school instead of Spanish, I never really used Spanish so it's dead too.

Here we go again - Right now, I've gt over 300 sMerits available, and that is just in Jet Cash. I've probably got some more in my alt accounts. I've had a number of attempts to start meritable discussions for new members, but they are either moved into the swamp by a mod, or don't attract much interest. So here is another idea for the weekend. Suggest a discussion topic, and I'll start a thread on the beginners' board, and watch it for meritable posts.

I think there are being more Merit sources being aloud, especially there are being more real active members granted Merit source ...

Also I think after X-time the merit sources get an increase of stashes, so there will be more merit to send over time.

Most merit sources also reward lower ranked members for sure, probably taking a bit more care with complete fresh members "total newbies" but I don't think when sources comes across good post they wouldn't merit...

Last days I have had some issues outside the forum, but still I emptied my merits, only just on some members I know they can use to rank up or they are good to re send the merit they gained....

But like a source only and only for low ranks isn't a thing imo, many legendaries exhausted from merit but still writing good posts are still wanna be rewarded as well .... and they do like to send out merit as well etc....

The well seasoned you become here on the forum and bitcoin, the better merits you receive in the progress. Merits are designated to be awarded for quality and helpful posts and these posts often emerge from the well seasoned senior members in the practice. I spread my merits on almost all the global boards and some local boards and the only place where I see utmost quality post from a newbie is majorly from the Tech Discussion and Mining board.

This is because the merit receiving user is a new account here on the forum but has been a well seasoned user of bitcoin in the past. Rather real non-alt account newbies in Meta and other boards like Beginners & Help are new users to both bitcoin and this forum in general. This is one of the reasons, they don't really post good or doesn't come under the criteria of producing merit worthy posts.

If someone has spend time in learning about this forum and bitcoin in general, they wouldn't really have any hurdle in receiving merits as they produce the posts which are equivalent to higher rank members. I limit meriting certain users once they attain the Legendary rank unless their post is of really good quality or has taught me something new rather than the one which I already know.

As iasenko said, users need to spend time here to distinguish a quality post (non-plagiarism) vs spam post and I would say that newbie can't really distinguish them and awards posters with merits. I have been a little inactive for a week or two in posting, but I was constantly reading and meriting posts. Spending smerits must be followed by normal users as well and shouldn't be limited to merit sources which isn't happening for majority of the time.

Thank you all for sharing your thoughts and explaining so deep your ideas. Apparently, from all I understand, it wouldn't be needed to have merit sources for low ranks. At least this is the general opinion.


This is not generally true. For example, Tman gave 50 merits in a single transaction (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5214039.msg53491680#msg53491680) to The-Devil, but afterwards things turned out that The-Devil was a cheater and a plagiarist (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5215242.0). However, this incident didn't affect Tman's good reputation here (nor it would).

And it's OK if the sMerit folks don't give merit to posts good like that. I personally like the ranking system based on merit because for people who joined after it was made their rank reflects the integrity of the posts that they're writing. Take me for example I'm already a Member but it wouldn't be appropriate to make merit sources that boost me to Full Member at this time, I'm just six weeks old for times worth  ;D.

On the other hand I can barely tell the difference between a wise Sr Member and an auto ranked Sr Member who's trollish or just sig ad spams. At least I can trust people with more than 2000 Merit because you had to earn at least 1000 of it, like you for example.

The people who try to rank up fast are the ones who want to join a sig campaign, and you tend to notice that most campaign members don't get much merit after joining a campaign for reasons like not writing informative content like bullrun2020bro's posts, and their posts tend to just be one or two sentences.


Which causes less merit to be sent in boards that house more spammy threads for example. Altcoins subsection sees less merit sent than Bitcoin General Discussion which in turn sees less merit, on average per day, than the Technical Discussion board where questions there are more intellectual by nature. At least if we only compare posts that are questions. Answers on the other hand get even less merit on average because most answers aren't as merit-worthy as the questions.


Yeah, to get merits these days they need to come to the forum with a lot of technical or scientific knowledge. They might be able to get 1 or 2 merit points from people giving away merit but that's about it.

As a native English speaker I don't think people need squeaky perfect English to write good informative posts. People may very well learn it as a second or third language and as long as their english is intelligible that doesn't stop me from understanding what points they are trying to make.

It's been suggested many times that it would be useful for the merit stats underneath everyone's user name to split airdropped and earned merit, so something like xxx (yyy), where xxx is total and yyy is earned. It seems theymos hasn't taken to the idea though, since it has never been implemented. I'm glad to see that it's on suchmoon/ibminer's list of ideas for their BPIP extension (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5224821.msg53819446#msg53819446) though.

Precisely. The people who are posting for the primary reason of receiving merits are the ones who are least likely to earn any. I always cringe whenever I see a "How to earn merits" guide or similar. If you need to follow a guide to earn merit, you are doing it wrong. The best way to earn merit is to forget merit even exists and simply use the forum to read, learn, and discuss, as it was intended.

DdrmDdmr gave some really great stats about this in this thread: Analysis – Merit per post per Section/Subsection (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5083312). They are over a year out-of-date, but I'd be surprised if they had changed significantly.

This only is the reason why I disagree with the OP suggestion, have you tried surfing around the altcoin board, trying to find meritable post to award merits to, now I'm not speaking of exceptional post but post which are above average that once you encounter them, without wasting anytime you'll observe the OP put in some time/thought into his post. That's the stress most merit sources especially those focus on this board go through. I won't want that for others.

Merit source should be seen like regular forum users although the only privilege they have is more smerits to spend and that's why they just have to go on with their regular activities on the forum and when they come across worthy post they merit such post.

Ps: I noticed when I try searching for meritable post, it becomes harder to find but when my focus isn't to find such posts, I come across them more frequently.

I might support or not the ideas that you think about the merit source. But the thing that crossed my mind is that in this bitcointalk forum we have millions of active users spread all over the forum and still have sMerit to share with everyone, including those who are beginners or lower ranking and only for decent posts.

But I still dont understand the behavior of users who ignore this system in order to function properly. When they find a post that is useful, they usually lose the opportunity to send sMerit. Really, I dont think that a merit source can reach all good and useful posts to give merit. But with the contribution of users on various boards in all corners of the forum I think beginners and lower users wont complain when they dont get merit and attention from merit sources.

I also have a habit of inviting those with higher ranks or who have sMerit stock to actively contribute to sending merit to anyone who makes useful and useful posts on my local board. There we also have several threads that can be used by everyone, especially from the local board to get some merit. So far I have also seen several merit sources also do it on a number of different boards so that they also allow users to send useful post links via PM to send merit.

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So the point is we still dont need a special merit source for beginners or lower ranking. If everyone want to contribute and use this system correctly and appropriately, then according to everything it will be fine.

I think that merit system works relatively well.
Theymos adds new merit sources every a few months (users well respected in the btc community), those who give merits receive more merits to give, while inactive merit sources lose their merits etc.
We often have merit giveaway threads where newbie and young members can report their good qualiy post and receive merits and generally I think that members with good posts don't have problem to get merits and advance in the forum.
I know that almost all if not all local boards have local merit sources so I think everyone here really have equal chance to get merits but for good and quality post of course.
A certain standard must exist to be fair to everyone.
In the Croatian local board we also have thread where any local member can report good and quality post and receive merit.

A lot of MS often complain that there is not enough merit to reward everyone who deserves it, and on the other hand you say you have 300 sMerits and for some reason you can't find users who deserve them. Maybe problem is in fact that you only look to Beginners & Help board, and most newbies come to this forum to participate in bounty campaigns?

It would be interesting to see statistics on how many merits each rank gets, because everyone except Legendary need merits for ranking up. Is there any difference in giving merit to Hero or Newbie if their post deserves it?

This point is really important. Since the introduction of merit sources, some users see it as just their job and theirs alone to give out smerits, so they hoard their smerits for no reason, and even if they are to come in sight with posts that even they themselves know is "up there" and needs to be merited, they do nothing, waiting for the merit sources to "come do their job". It's wrong, and I'm also thinking that if every user spent their smerits, no hoarding whatsoever, complaints would not arise and the duty of sources wouldn't even have to come under close scrutiny.

Theymos says he reserves the right to decay unused smerits in the future, that will be a really interesting implementation, it may encourage users to do more with their smerits, it would even deter those who sell merits from hoarding it for a long time to sell them eventually, so they do not lose it. Decaying hoarded smerits is what I suggest in addition to whatever has been said to improve the system.

This is a very hot topic since @theymos use merit system for new rank requirements. Many of new user feel unfair about airdrop merit for old users especially if the old users only do spam or low quality post but not get reported. If @theymos not use merit system till now, we will see many spammers or low quality post to get quickly rank up. Or mods will work very hard to delete the shitpost in this forum.

My opinion for old members who get airdrop merits by @theymos it's fair and they deserve it. Why I say airdrop merits is fair? Because in past no one believe in bitcoin ; this forum is still quite and not popular. It's like a new ICO get announced in altcoin, they will give airdrop or giveaway to make new people interesting, right? This is what I mean. This airdrop is only the way @theymos appreciating for old members who still stay and contribute along the forum from first created till early 2018. I personally like the merit system, because this can make me more work hard and forcing me to post with high quality.

From my side,  we don't need to add more sMerit for Merit source. I saw many high rank member who get from airdrop merits do not want to sent their sMerit . Maybe they are too lazy or don't want other member to rank up, so they don't want to distribute their sMerit.

Moreover the user who don't give any sMerit not get any penalty or negative trust. Instead giving merit can get negative trust if they are abusing the merit system. That is why they think not give sMerit is more safe than giving it. I believe if all of high rank have contributing their sMerit for posts who deserve to get Merit, every user will rank up much faster.

Many of newbie don't even read the rules before he want to post. If they want to spend a bit time to read the rules first, I believe they can make the useful thread or post and earn merit at least 1. New comers only think this forum to earn free money. Since signature campaign have minimum rank, then they refuse to earn merit and choose joining bounties for instant way to get money. If bounties have minimum rank also, maybe they will force to get merit and learn to post with high quality or useful for everyone.

This is one of the best idea to solve the merit crisis problem lol. While I have seen many outstanding posts by low merit users or newbies get the same attention as any legendary member would get for the same post, still there remain a kind of little bias and I have felt that bias in myself only, when I read a post by a newbie, psychologically I don't take it with as much weight as I would if a legendary member posted it and I fight to remove such discrimination out of my mind, so merit sources to merit good posts for low merit members would be awesome.

I believe that tk808 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=180477) is a merit source and from his merit history, he seems to be dedicated to Altcoin Discussion section. He might be an example of a merit source for low ranked members. However, there are various ways to earn merit: helping other people, making jokes or funny comments, exposing scams, sharing deep, dark knowledge, etc... If you're good at any of them, you will eventually get merits and rank up. Generally, I don't think merit sources for low ranks are necessary. And if it is, who would volunteer to do that?

Merit sources specifically for lower-ranked members:  mediocre idea.
Merit sources stepping up meriting lower-ranked members:  great idea.

I definitely try to favor the lower ranks when spreading merits around, but if I had the task of only giving merits to Jr. Members for example, I'd have a really, really tough time doing it--and I probably wouldn't be alone unless there was some relaxing of standards.  That would go against the spirit and intent of the merit system and personally I wouldn't do it.

I think what we need is a better sense of who's going undermerited and which members need merits to rank up.  I think LoyceV has a thread going, and I've taken a couple of members under my wing (so to speak), but I wish there was a better way for me to be directed to good posts that need merits.  There probably isn't a better way, unfortunately.

Edit:  Ah, Coin-1 has a thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4850225.0;topicseen) that's helpful that I forgot about.  It just got bumped and thus helped me remember it.

Creating a distinction isn’t much of a good idea. And that’s exactly what this would do. The main is to ensure all good posts are merited, that could be done by increasing number of merit sources, and more specifically by ensuring all merit sources understand that they have a ‘JOB’ to do and it’s not just a medal.

First of all, I would like to say that in my opinion it is very impressive how much time some of the long-time forum members spend here to give new users a fair chance to rank up in the forum. I have only been active here for a very short time, but I already realized how difficult it is to find merit-worthy posts, especially from members with lower ranks (Newbies, Jr. Members etc.). The amount of spam produced by many bot and bounty fake accounts is just enormous.

Accordingly, I can only fully agree with The Pharmacists previous post. The merit system was created to reward good, informative and helpful posts (from low and high ranked users!). The fact that some merit sources should now only focus on posts from low ranked members does not seem feasible to me. The amount of garbage posts and spam is simply way too high. Nobody is willing to scroll through hundreds of bad posts every day to find one or two good posts, which are merit-worthy.

Instead, merit sources should focus on fairly evaluating meaningful posts from all users and rewarding them accordingly. While doing so merit sources should keep a few points in mind with regard to new users:

New members here in the forum often find it very difficult to write informative and helpful posts. In most cases they are new to the crypto space and often overwhelmed by all the information. Many posts written by newbies that may seem informative and helpful for them are often trivial for the long-time forum users or have been posted many times before by others. If you look at the “Beginners & Help” section, for example, you will notice that almost every question has already been asked and almost every topic has been dealt with. This makes it even harder for newbies to write meaningful posts. Perhaps merit sources should take this into consideration and rate a post written by a newbie differently than a post by a long-time user (I am sure many, if not all merit sources do that already!).

In summary it can be said, what just have been posted above: All of us have to make an effort to find and reward the few good posts from newcomers.

First of all thank you for the useful topic you made.
In my own idea, merit is a unique and value here jest because it's to easy to earn by new members.
It's just like a market: "The more demand, more value".
In the other hand, I believe creating a new merit system will just take way too much time, hassle and work.

Lower rank users are the future of the forum so OP made a good topic to discuss.

Maybe you forgot the topic of LoyceV: The future of Bitcointalk: Low Ranking Top Merit earners in the past 30 days (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5185736.msg53888951#msg53888951), that was last updated on February 22, 2020, 11:14:27 AM

Indeed, LoyceV have that topic as well, but it's different than Coin-1's. One is for highlighting undermerited posts to merit sources, while the other one is for congratulating the rank ups.

Pharmacist's general generousity towards lower ranks is admirable and there should be more like him.

About changing the systen, that's a difficult work and I don't think there will be any drastic change in the future. But maybe this topic will raise merit sources' awarness about looking closer newbies' posts...? Let's hope for the best :)

I don't know if it has been suggested before, but I was thinking, perhaps there could be two types of merit used. The system as it is, and in addition a "lower trust" type of merit that has no impact on the forums trust systems, but allows users to rank up and unlock various forum privileges. This could help solve some of the issues with newbs not getting enough attention from merit sources, and allow for a more liberal application of secondary low trust merit sources without severely compromising the integrity of the system as a whole. This would also have the added benefit of familiarizing newbs with merit use while also removing most of the risk of abuse, as even if it was abused the impact would be negligible. It would also serve as a way to expose and root out gaming the system at a very early stage by building demonstrable ties between account farming and abuse networks.