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Title: Can Coronavirus hurt Trump in the upcoming US elections?.
Post by: Juggy777 on February 28, 2020, 05:07:40 PM
Whenever we have spoken about Coronavirus we all have discussed about people dying, or how it’s effecting business globally but suddenly it seems that Coronavirus can do what Democrats are failing to do i.e. stop Trump from winning the elections. As a Trump fan I was surprised to read the news but it seems to me that the media is taking advantage of Coronavirus, and is trying to manipulate people against voting for Trump. It’s also pertinent to note that Trump’s and his staffs response is not helping at this stage, as I strongly felt they could have released better statements. In my personal opinion this scenario is being hyped by the media a lot, and so do you’ll believe that Trump could loose if Coronavirus spreads across US?.

Sources:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/27/business/goldman-sachs-trump-election-coronavirus/index.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/28/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-miracle-stock-markets/index.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/trump-chief-of-staff-mulvaney-suggests-people-ignore-coronavirus-news-to-calm-markets.html


Title: Re: Can Coronavirus hurt Trump in the upcoming US elections?.
Post by: Spendulus on February 28, 2020, 07:22:05 PM
Whenever we have spoken about Coronavirus we all have discussed about people dying, or how it’s effecting business globally but suddenly it seems that Coronavirus can do what Democrats are failing to do i.e. stop Trump from winning the elections. As a Trump fan I was surprised to read the news but it seems to me that the media is taking advantage of Coronavirus, and is trying to manipulate people against voting for Trump. It’s also pertinent to note that Trump’s and his staffs response is not helping at this stage, as I strongly felt they could have released better statements. In my personal opinion this scenario is being hyped by the media a lot, and so do you’ll believe that Trump could loose if Coronavirus spreads across US?.

Sources:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/27/business/goldman-sachs-trump-election-coronavirus/index.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/28/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-miracle-stock-markets/index.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/trump-chief-of-staff-mulvaney-suggests-people-ignore-coronavirus-news-to-calm-markets.html

Hmm.... semi-pandemic, CDC is doing their thing pretty well at handling it, media blasts Trump as usual and blames every thing on him as usual...

I tend to think no on this. That they could not twist things enough to cause him to lose.

How do open borders help protect us from the virus?


Title: Re: Can Coronavirus hurt Trump in the upcoming US elections?.
Post by: bkbirge on February 28, 2020, 07:32:28 PM
When you consider he cut funding and shut down CDC programs that were designed to handle this exact scenario then yeah I'd say he's earned the scorn he's getting for his response. Mr. Germophobe only cares when it's himself in the crosshairs, everyone else are little people to him. How anyone could ever be fans of him is beyond me. He's like a bad caricature of a human.


Title: Re: Can Coronavirus hurt Trump in the upcoming US elections?.
Post by: Febo on February 28, 2020, 08:12:49 PM
Can Coronavirus hurt Trump in the upcoming US elections?.

Without recession it would be very hard for Trump to lose. With the recession it will be much easier. Specially if all founds he will spend to fight corona will have little to no result. First sign will be what will happen to Mike Pence. If he will be replaced with reason that he failed as a man behind fighting Corona, then Trump will not be elected.


I wonder something else. What if Trump die after corona virus. Who will be Republican candidate for presidential elections?


Title: Re: Can Coronavirus hurt Trump in the upcoming US elections?.
Post by: Gyfts on February 28, 2020, 09:21:02 PM
Stock market tumbling is going to effect Trump in a huge way. Supply chains are collapsing with China closing down plants and factories and this is going to impact US companies, many of whom have Chinese contracts with manufacturing depending on Chinese firms. The Dow has dropped nearly 3,000 points over the last few days and Goldman Sachs predict there will be zero Q1 profits. Trump's strongest pitch for his reelection was the economy and the coronavirus is making the stock market, and thus economy, collapse.

If the coronavirus gets out of control, which in all likelihood all signs point to it badly effecting the U.S., I think Trump's chances go down significantly.


I wonder something else. What if Trump die after corona virus. Who will be Republican candidate for presidential elections?

Yeah this might be the dumbest take I have ever heard. Trump is not going to die from Coronavirus...the chance of him getting it are next to nothing and the mortality rate is something like 8% for those over 70. Trump also has the best healthcare in the world at his reach.


Title: Re: Can Coronavirus hurt Trump in the upcoming US elections?.
Post by: iamsheikhadil on February 29, 2020, 06:03:18 AM
I don't think it will really have a great impact in the US elections. No one really cares about a virus so much to change their mind to vote because when it comes to health and defending the country against such biological harm, every political side wants the best of it to safeguard their own families as well from such diseases and all are unanimous over it. Unless Trump say something so idiotic on the topic, the topic is irrelevant.


Title: Re: Can Coronavirus hurt Trump in the upcoming US elections?.
Post by: Spendulus on February 29, 2020, 06:18:01 AM
When you consider he cut funding and shut down CDC programs that were designed to handle this exact scenario then yeah I'd say he's earned the scorn he's getting for his response. Mr. Germophobe only cares when it's himself in the crosshairs, everyone else are little people to him. How anyone could ever be fans of him is beyond me. He's like a bad caricature of a human.

It's more real to say that he didn't renew funding for certain programs, than that he cut funding. Then with the 2.5B now allocated, that is a huge increase, not a decrease.


Title: Re: Can Coronavirus hurt Trump in the upcoming US elections?.
Post by: Silvermonkey on February 29, 2020, 06:30:28 AM
Whenever we have spoken about Coronavirus we all have discussed about people dying, or how it’s effecting business globally but suddenly it seems that Coronavirus can do what Democrats are failing to do i.e. stop Trump from winning the elections. As a Trump fan I was surprised to read the news but it seems to me that the media is taking advantage of Coronavirus, and is trying to manipulate people against voting for Trump. It’s also pertinent to note that Trump’s and his staffs response is not helping at this stage, as I strongly felt they could have released better statements. In my personal opinion this scenario is being hyped by the media a lot, and so do you’ll believe that Trump could loose if Coronavirus spreads across US?.

Sources:

https://editi[Suspicious link removed]/2020/02/27/business/goldman-sachs-trump-election-coronavirus/index.html

https://editi[Suspicious link removed]/2020/02/28/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-miracle-stock-markets/index.html

https://www.c[Suspicious link removed]m/2020/02/28/trump-chief-of-staff-mulvaney-suggests-people-ignore-coronavirus-news-to-calm-markets.html

If he's up against Bernie Sanders I highly doubt he can lose.


Title: Re: Can Coronavirus hurt Trump in the upcoming US elections?.
Post by: Febo on March 02, 2020, 06:08:36 PM
I wonder something else. What if Trump die after corona virus. Who will be Republican candidate for presidential elections?

Yeah this might be the dumbest take I have ever heard. Trump is not going to die from Coronavirus...the chance of him getting it are next to nothing and the mortality rate is something like 8% for those over 70. Trump also has the best healthcare in the world at his reach.


Trump dont look to me like a guy that wash his hands that often, so I would give high chance he gets infected early. Specially since Republican rally's will get more and more often  as we move closer to elections. 8% is not that low. But on other hand he is getting closer to 80 years where mortality is over 15%.


Title: Re: Can Coronavirus hurt Trump in the upcoming US elections?.
Post by: bkbirge on March 02, 2020, 06:22:55 PM
I don't believe that Corona will spread across the US, it isn't more dangerous than flu. In a couple of months we will forget it. Anyway I hope Trump will lose the re-election. I'm fed up with him.

It's already in Washington, NY, and Texas.


Title: Re: Can Coronavirus hurt Trump in the upcoming US elections?.
Post by: bkbirge on March 02, 2020, 06:24:07 PM
I wonder something else. What if Trump die after corona virus. Who will be Republican candidate for presidential elections?

Yeah this might be the dumbest take I have ever heard. Trump is not going to die from Coronavirus...the chance of him getting it are next to nothing and the mortality rate is something like 8% for those over 70. Trump also has the best healthcare in the world at his reach.


Trump dont look to me like a guy that wash his hands that often, so I would give high chance he gets infected early. Specially since Republican rally's will get more and more often  as we move closer to elections. 8% is not that low. But on other hand he is getting closer to 80 years where mortality is over 15%.

He's known for being a germaphobe so my guess is he probably washes his hands obsessively often. I doubt he'll get infected unless one of his skirts or a McDonald's server gets it.


Title: Re: Can Coronavirus hurt Trump in the upcoming US elections?.
Post by: bkbirge on March 02, 2020, 06:30:37 PM
When you consider he cut funding and shut down CDC programs that were designed to handle this exact scenario then yeah I'd say he's earned the scorn he's getting for his response. Mr. Germophobe only cares when it's himself in the crosshairs, everyone else are little people to him. How anyone could ever be fans of him is beyond me. He's like a bad caricature of a human.

It's more real to say that he didn't renew funding for certain programs, than that he cut funding. Then with the 2.5B now allocated, that is a huge increase, not a decrease.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-will-cdc-cuts-affect-health-programs-abroad-and-at-home
Quote
President Trump signed a bill that slashed $1.35 billion from its Prevention and Public Health Fund over the next 10 years.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/
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Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer abruptly departed from his post leading the global health security team on the National Security Council in May 2018 amid a reorganization of the council by then-National Security Advisor John Bolton, and Ziemer’s team was disbanded. Tom Bossert, whom the Washington Post reported “had called for a comprehensive biodefense strategy against pandemics and biological attacks,” had been fired one month prior.

It’s thus true that the Trump administration axed the executive branch team responsible for coordinating a response to a pandemic and did not replace it, eliminating Ziemer’s position and reassigning others, although Bolton was the executive at the top of the National Security Council chain of command at the time.


Title: Re: Can Coronavirus hurt Trump in the upcoming US elections?.
Post by: squatz1 on March 09, 2020, 02:57:35 AM
Does the Stock market fall in this sitaution, potentially wiping out all of the gains that Trump has taken credit for in the last 3 years? If so, then MAYBE.

It depends on if Trump and the rest of the administration can show that they're handling this problem in the best way possible, and to show that they're out in front of the problem. This can't be something that is chaotic like a lot of things that go on in the WH. This is not a problem that can be tweeted away. You can't deny that this is going on.

You need to get some real experts, develop a real plan, and make Americans believe that you're ensuring that they're safe from this spreading. That's the only way this problem can go away.


Title: Re: Can Coronavirus hurt Trump in the upcoming US elections?.
Post by: gish89 on March 09, 2020, 03:01:36 AM
Part of me thinks it could be the case if he doesn't respond or show his incompetence while the number of dead people keep rising. Has any of you heard he just shook hands with someone who was exposed to someone with the corona virus? What if... well, never mind.

On the other hand, we have state tv Fox who will spin and distort the reality in his favor. So, who knows.


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Title: Re: Can Coronavirus hurt Trump in the upcoming US elections?.
Post by: Subbir on March 12, 2020, 01:10:37 PM
I accept as true with you that it's spread to several countries round the world because it can cause the virus to return into contact with the body while traveling to Sehut where i feel the coronavirus can hit Trump within the upcoming US election because many fear the virus won't participate and lots of are against the election. If it goes away it's going to be banned due to the election The more people become infected by coming in touch with one another. That's why the US election will hurt Trump.


Title: Re: Can Coronavirus hurt Trump in the upcoming US elections?.
Post by: af_newbie on March 12, 2020, 02:09:40 PM
Whenever we have spoken about Coronavirus we all have discussed about people dying, or how it’s effecting business globally but suddenly it seems that Coronavirus can do what Democrats are failing to do i.e. stop Trump from winning the elections. As a Trump fan I was surprised to read the news but it seems to me that the media is taking advantage of Coronavirus, and is trying to manipulate people against voting for Trump. It’s also pertinent to note that Trump’s and his staffs response is not helping at this stage, as I strongly felt they could have released better statements. In my personal opinion this scenario is being hyped by the media a lot, and so do you’ll believe that Trump could loose if Coronavirus spreads across US?.

Sources:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/27/business/goldman-sachs-trump-election-coronavirus/index.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/28/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-miracle-stock-markets/index.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/trump-chief-of-staff-mulvaney-suggests-people-ignore-coronavirus-news-to-calm-markets.html

Trump will be done if he does not engage the scientific community.  Instead, he had a 'president you are doing a great job' meeting with bank CEOs.  What do bank CEOs know about viruses? 'Closing' border but not really, lol.

His handling of this situation will be criticized for decades.


Title: Re: Can Coronavirus hurt Trump in the upcoming US elections?.
Post by: suchmoon on March 12, 2020, 05:12:40 PM
Does the Stock market fall in this sitaution, potentially wiping out all of the gains that Trump has taken credit for in the last 3 years? If so, then MAYBE.

S&P 500 is still up but only ~10% since Trump's inauguration and we're officially in a bear market... it's very likely we'll test your "maybe". Although it started going rapidly up in the last few minutes for reasons yet unknown.

Meanwhile, if we take the title of the thread literally: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/12/coronavirus-brazilian-official-who-met-trump-tests-positive.html


Title: Re: Can Coronavirus hurt Trump in the upcoming US elections?.
Post by: squatz1 on March 12, 2020, 09:29:30 PM
Does the Stock market fall in this sitaution, potentially wiping out all of the gains that Trump has taken credit for in the last 3 years? If so, then MAYBE.

S&P 500 is still up but only ~10% since Trump's inauguration and we're officially in a bear market... it's very likely we'll test your "maybe". Although it started going rapidly up in the last few minutes for reasons yet unknown.

Meanwhile, if we take the title of the thread literally: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/12/coronavirus-brazilian-official-who-met-trump-tests-positive.html

My next portion of that expained that if the administration is able to show that they're doing everything they can do to combat this -- then Americans may not be so quick to blame the administration for inaction and may understand that.

But I don't think thats what happening now. The Media has said that Trumps response to the coronavirus isn't good enough and that they're not doing enough to combat this. This is going to make people VERY VERY angry.

So yes, we're putting my MAYBE to the test. We'll only know in November of 2020 :)


Title: Re: Can Coronavirus hurt Trump in the upcoming US elections?.
Post by: KingScorpio on March 12, 2020, 09:50:07 PM
Whenever we have spoken about Coronavirus we all have discussed about people dying, or how it’s effecting business globally but suddenly it seems that Coronavirus can do what Democrats are failing to do i.e. stop Trump from winning the elections. As a Trump fan I was surprised to read the news but it seems to me that the media is taking advantage of Coronavirus, and is trying to manipulate people against voting for Trump. It’s also pertinent to note that Trump’s and his staffs response is not helping at this stage, as I strongly felt they could have released better statements. In my personal opinion this scenario is being hyped by the media a lot, and so do you’ll believe that Trump could loose if Coronavirus spreads across US?.

Sources:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/27/business/goldman-sachs-trump-election-coronavirus/index.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/28/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-miracle-stock-markets/index.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/trump-chief-of-staff-mulvaney-suggests-people-ignore-coronavirus-news-to-calm-markets.html

if trump does nothing it means he is a good president, because he isn't destroying the nations currency like the retards did in italy.


Title: Re: Can Coronavirus hurt Trump in the upcoming US elections?.
Post by: Cnut237 on March 13, 2020, 11:20:30 AM
Coronavirus absolutely will not harm Trump in the elections; on the contrary, it will increase his chances of success.

Trump has positioned himself as an outsider standing up for common people against a corrupt establishment. It is at times of crisis such as that provoked by coronavirus that he can really run with that. Trump governs largely by pithy soundbite. In calmer, more measured times, his remarks can be picked apart to determine their veracity. But  in a crisis such as now, there is a surfeit of news, people are only interested in headlines and in leaders who "get things done". Trump complains about the bureaucracy he inherited all the time. He can very easily set a poor response to coronavirus against this backdrop, and shift any blame.
In fact he's already doing it (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/04/donald-trump-obama-administration-coronavirus)...


Title: Re: Can Coronavirus hurt Trump in the upcoming US elections?.
Post by: sujon5 on March 14, 2020, 08:42:02 AM
Trump’s health care blind spot turned to be on of the biggest problems for the country. The pandemic demonstrates why health care plan must exist. So Trump could very plausibly lose in November.


Title: Re: Can Coronavirus hurt Trump in the upcoming US elections?.
Post by: Artemis3 on March 14, 2020, 08:38:29 PM
Does the Stock market fall in this sitaution, potentially wiping out all of the gains that Trump has taken credit for in the last 3 years? If so, then MAYBE.

S&P 500 is still up but only ~10% since Trump's inauguration and we're officially in a bear market... it's very likely we'll test your "maybe". Although it started going rapidly up in the last few minutes for reasons yet unknown.

Meanwhile, if we take the title of the thread literally: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/12/coronavirus-brazilian-official-who-met-trump-tests-positive.html

My next portion of that expained that if the administration is able to show that they're doing everything they can do to combat this -- then Americans may not be so quick to blame the administration for inaction and may understand that.

But I don't think thats what happening now. The Media has said that Trumps response to the coronavirus isn't good enough and that they're not doing enough to combat this. This is going to make people VERY VERY angry.

So yes, we're putting my MAYBE to the test. We'll only know in November of 2020 :)

When did that Brazilian met with Trump? On average you would need to wait 11 days afterwards.

Remember 9 - 11?  The US quickly stopped ALL air traffic, the exact same thing should have been done, but they haven't. This is one reason they failed to contain it properly. Trump is only "considering" now to halt "some" traffic, but that is not how this works. To be really sure, you have to stop ALL (yeah, North Korea style), then wait two weeks, isolate & treat any cases and wait two more weeks.

Done properly you could then lift it. But, NONE of the countries did this properly, China kinda did but a month too late and it of course escaped the country. What people have a hard time grasping, is those 11 days on average you get infected but show no symptoms. By the time you recognize the symptoms, you have already spread the virus to many others the previous two weeks.

And with the infections also come the deaths, then come the lamenting why they didn't act. Hey, you had this coming since January and even now, you are still letting air traffic. would have been easier if a terrorist hijacked and crashed another plane, it would probably saved more lives too...

See? Politicians. He had the power to stop all air traffic, but didn't. Its too late now.


Title: Re: Can Coronavirus hurt Trump in the upcoming US elections?.
Post by: squatz1 on March 16, 2020, 11:45:56 PM
Ah look at that Trump was tested and doesn't have the corona virus,so we're all good on that front. The market is taking a tumble though -- and that is going to be something that Trump is going to have to explain.

Though I do think that the administration took a SHARP turn on how they're handling this. At first Trump was attacking the media, and attacking the Dems, pretty much doing everything that he'd do to deal with a crisis before this. Though thew public doesn't like that when it comes to this, and Trump was able to notice that quickly enough, he's taken a sharp turn and has (in the last few days) showed the public that he's willing to take drastic action to ensure that the people are safe. And even if you don't like it, we all can admit that that is what the majority of Americans want to hear in a period of uncertainy.

So yeah, here we are.