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Everybody want to get rid of their life and they’re working day in day out, 24/7, never ending working, we are miles better, with avarage US employee work 1768 hours per year or 38.6 hours per week, better than Beijing 2096 hours, Tokyo 1997 hours, Shanghai 1987 hours, Seoul 2307 hours, Dubai 2323 hours, New Delhi 2511 hours, Mexico 2622 hours.

The table didn’t deduct the time spend on commuting to work, lunch break, commuting to home, and yes, we are more than 10% better than busy Japanese working culture.

You want to quit your job and take care of your valuable life to do what you want to do in life, then you should start investing and start generating your passive income that can give you stream of cash flow every months without working, so that you can begin to planning your life and travel to enjoy what the exciting world await your visit. Don’t wait until you’re too old, start investing and living the life of your dream.

In order to invest you need certain preparation an education on what to invest and how to invest, you can not start investing just like that.

Easier been said than done.

People already know this and some are already working on it. However, it's not that simple and people can just start right away as we are living in different life standards. And even some already owned an investment, working will not stop there. They still have to manage it along the way.

Investment is not a joke and to start it just to hope for a literal passive income isn't a good idea for me. People should invest to have a stable and regular source of income and not to rely on passive ones. Of course, it needs works but it's happy to work on something that we owned that generates a regular and good revenue. The effort and time spent is worth it.

You are right, easier said than done. Also, passive income most of the time ended up not really passive as along the way, it stops for no reason. I don't believe in passive income as there are so many factors that will contribute to sustain its lifespan. And if one factor is not working, the chain would be derailed and goodbye to passive income that you are waiting for. And in terms of investment, not all people are lucky with this area. It takes a lot of experience and skill to get positive results from this.

Elon Musk did it
Mark Zuckerberg did it
satoshi did it
Don’t loss your hope

You can begin generate passive income as young as kindergarten. Yes a saving account for kid did existed.

I don’t think everybody wants to get rid of their jobs just because they are working from 9 to 5 or any other working day in the world because they probably like doing it or that’s the career they have chosen, and I think there is a specific time in our lives that we get to retire with that and comparing yourself to others won’t do you any kind because of the expectation that you might have and Get disappointed in the long run.

Time is the most important thing that we have, and it’s up to us on what we could do with it, and I think what’s important with us is to know what to do with that time and make sure that it’s building up for the future.

When it comes to investing, I think it’s essential to think that it’s not for everyone just because they don’t have time to study it. With that in mind, I think it’s better to be educated compared to just investing, and from that knowledge, you could make your own business or somehow do that thing that could make you retire earlier than you want to.

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I think helping my kids to be Independent when it comes to their decisions would help them when they grow up. Letting them understand the benefit of saving and knowing what to do with their money is critical on what they would do when they grow up and become adults.

Any reasons holding you back? Everybody need to start at some point, when is your turn?

FOMO can be dangerous sometimes, but you don't need to rush things since you are missing out and there are these people that earn thousands and millions in their investments. Everyone wants to earn huge amount of money without working 6-8 hours a day, that is everyone's dream. Though you don't need to sugarcoat everything here, investing does not mean you can have a profit every day, every week or every month. You are still wanting these people to take a risk and you should let them know that.

You can’t quit your job, you can’t work for your entire life, you need to invest eventually, it’s now or never.

Starting by investing your time, everybody has time to spend on something, you do not need a lot of time to start investing, the investment return is always parabolic, the beginning would always below expectation, when it took off, it fly to moon overnight.

Eh, I don't want to get rid of my life--but perhaps something got lost in the translation.

I think Warren Buffett said that if you don't put your money to work 24/7, you'll be working the rest of your life.  I agree with that statement regardless of who said it, but the problem of course is having investment capital to put to work.  A lot of people out there are working crappy jobs for very little money, and they can't afford to save or invest anything.  I definitely know people in that very position, and usually they're young or who've had kids when they were young--they didn't focus on getting a career before starting a family.  And it's either that or they live beyond their means, racking up credit card debt to buy stuff they really don't need.

But I certainly know where OP is coming from here.  I'm not sure I want to retire early, as I like working, but having a financial cushion is the best thing anybody can do.  You never know when the economy is going to crash or when you'll find yourself out of a job.

How long can you depend on paycheck to support your lifestyle? Eventually you would need to quit your job, Didi Taihuttu quit his job and start investing for retirement, he did it! When are you going to do the same?

I think what do people need to understand first is to be educated with what you can do with your current situation.

For example, a person who is living paycheck to paycheck knowing that his lifestyle should be different and know what the limits are. I think it’s also a self-acknowledgment when it comes to these things because if you can’t get except that your lifestyle is not in accordance with your paycheck, then what could be left to invest?

I didn’t say I didn’t invest in anything, though. I didn’t say that I don’t agree to start investing. LOL.

I didn’t remember Buffett said anything about investing since he’s holding 99% cash, I might have some memory loss after all these while and need to get check. Yeah, working life is horrible, everybody want to get rid of their life working for someone, I think it’s for the satire to get rid of themselves, little to debate about why they get themselves into the hot water and work their entire life, they don’t even want to learn investing, that’s why they failed to quit their jobs.

It’s a honour to get your attention about where I come from I guess? We should know when the economy come crashing the one that have most to loss are the working classes too, I think it stil come down to quit your job early so you can get rid of them all.

The earlier you invest the earlier you can retire. As of now, my plan is to work harder than possible. My mindset is set for every paycheck that I will receive has percentage for crypto investment. I will definitely invest rather than saving. Applying for life insurance can help us a lot. If someone already done this, I know we can also do this. Money should work for us and life is short don't waste the time on working.

Why not invest and work? So you can have an investment and also a stable income to sustain you daily needs?
Investment is not an easy task you need a certain knowledge for it to work and be profitable.

If investing is that easy to profit then many should have invested their money but because if we are talking about investment, there is always a risk to it meaning we cannot fully assure that we will end up profiting from our capital because we can also lost our capital if we will not be careful.

I've been thinking this for a long time already as I like to quit my job and make a passive income in any means where I can sustain my daily expenses. Trading comes in my mind and also investing but after knowing the truth behind it, I just focus in rendering a service where I use my skills so I don't need to use any capital just to earn some money. It is my full time job right now but without a boss, meaning I can work anytime and I can rest anytime I like.

That's everyone's dream to retire early and enjoy life, but investing my friend is not easy, it's very challenging especially to people who are not even earning enough. In the Philippines, most of the employees are just earning a minimum wage of like less than 10 usd a day, so we can't blame them if they can't invest as they don't have the opportunity to do it.

Despite the fact that this might be an overstatement, somehow it is true.

I agree that we din't need to waste our time since it is always the one who's earliest, take the best. Though we don't need anyone to force themselves into it, atleast take some time to study it. Slowly, it might interest you and will make you start investing in an earlier stage. Profit can wait, it is true but you might regret those times that you did not invest earlier.

There are those who love their jobs and it is not all about money really. As for my case, having my job while doing Bitcoin would be a nice idea along with some business ideas that I want to venture. But to those who aren't happy in their own jobs then this is a good idea worth considering and especially if the pay aren't that sustaining enough to you and your family.

Who dont want to overcome poverty. I think all of us want to have a good life and be financially stable. We cant get rich if we stay employee forever and we cant enjoy our salary because we are too busy working then rest when day off. So we need to do something to improve our status in life and enjoy it. On the other side investing has risk and cant guarantee a sure profit but if you made a good decision on where to invest you can succeed. We just need a right plan, knowledge and capital.

I have start investing and the first time I did it, I like it, it make some profit but it’s fun, I’ll continue to invest more and more.

You can invest your time, time is the universally accepted resource for all people, everyone has the same time, you can’t cry sexism, racism, inequality, patriarchy over everybody time.

Service as a startup are becoming the trend among many investors, I think you can generate passive income when you put effort in building it.

People are very lazy to learn something new, investing is kind of improving your EQ, most people don’t want to learn and improve their EQ, they continue to work for their entire life, and they cry inequality, sexism, racism, when they can’t make enough in their job.

True, people love the job so much they married into their jobs, I think they finally found their true love.

Yeah, plan your time as early as possible, investing take time to grow, the earlier you sow the seed, the earlier you can reap the result.

No guarantee  to the sense that we are not actually sure if  we are good unto the platforms that existing here since most of the offers are to good to be true but if we can pick up some  ideas to create a business maybe on by that we can be successful and have financial freedom.

And I don't actually believe on online investment since its for short term only and I cannot replaced that on my stable job for now.

I like the idea to start investing and start generating passive income. However, it is difficult to start. I mean at least, we need to have money to start to buy something that we can invest. Fortunately, we are trying in the crypto world which can give us the opportunity to buy any coins we want and hold it for some time. Maybe we can save some amount of money in every month, so we can use it to buy the coin in the market so if we can buy bitcoin and use bitcoin as the investment, maybe that can work for us. But that will need the patience to wait for bitcoin price reach the very highest price because right now, bitcoin still at a low price.

You don't need to be an advance trader/investor before going in, that's why op is pushing us to get started as early as we can so as years go by we will learn more about investing. As long as you know the basics, the dos and don't I think you are good to go because that is where I started.

It's not so easy as it sounds.
Investing and trading are very risky and there is no guarantee you will make enough profit so that you can quit your job or earn for your retirement. That is an illusion.
Besides to be able to quit your job you need to profit really big from investing and that also means you need to invest a lot with minimum losses. That is a theory that in practice isn't functioning so idealy. You definetely need your steady regular job as a back up.

Right so  there's no point on living our jobs for these unsure things and what if all flip down together with massive break down on the market what will happen to us if  we quit our job? for sure we are at risk to lose everything so maybe its  really better  to make those option as side job and if you earn bigger amount which is enough to build a business then go for it quit your job do a business and trade.

I think people who already invest in cryptocurrency made the right choice because they can see the opportunity comes to them, especially for people who can have much bitcoin since a long time ago. I believe those people already make a lot of money from their bitcoin. That makes them don't have to do anything.

But sometimes, we think twice to invest, not just in crypto but also in the other investment type. We think that how if we cannot make a profit from the investment, and what if we lose from the investment. That is why many people still doubt to invest some of their money in any investment type because they are worried if they cannot make a profit. But if we want to make additional money from the investment, we need to search what kind of investment that can help us to make money so the investment will work for us and we can make money.

I strongly agree we should not delay investing in cryptocurrency, don't we spend our lives just for work. Because a happy life can run our
hobbies all the time, without being interrupted by work schedules. We must be able to enjoy life in this world happily. That can be realized
if we can already have financial freedom, it can be obtained from investment in cryptocurrency. It is true that investing is not as easy as one
might imagine, but if we don't invest right away. We are among those who throwing away opportunities, because investments can produce
huge profits. And can be a guarantee of our retire life.

Guarantee didn’t existed in genuine investment, you’re likely to get bitconnected which generate guarantee 1% return on daily basic.

You need capital to hunt for new job too, we spend money everyday I think we have the seed money without noticing it.

Investment return is always parabolic, you will always get far lower than your expectation in the early phases, when it take off it reward you handsomely.

I got to know a lot of people in the virtual world who have bitcoin stash, but nobody in real life have bitcoin, yep, they’re the real investors.

Having a job is dictating you to living a life of dream, it’s hilarious but job is for the dirty peasant and investment is for the master race.

For some people jobs are so important , it's a part of their life their well-being. Therefore for some people I do think they want to work till they are old .. investing is a tricky thing , if you invest in something which you haven't studied much about you are bound to loose a high amount of money.

Retirement plan is really really important and I do think you should go towards a safer option like banks , saving up everyday would do the trick.

Investing in something like property would be a good thing for sure ..

We can't rely everything on investing because we have daily necessities to sustain. While we are young, we should still try to find ways to earn and investing could only be our supporting source of income. Working so we'll have a good amount of capital for investing is the best preparation that we can do for a sustainable future.

I agree i know a lot of people who work hard all their lives sacrificing sleep, family and health just to earn that small wage that's after a few days is gone. Because of the increasing prices of services, food and daily necessities. So instead of burning all your money away with these things, take a portion of it and start investing.
But investing money blindly we'll only get you rekt, you must pick a good viable profitable project or coin also.

But most people didn't invest on the right things so they mess up things and get rekt at the end.

A smart investor means to increase your assets, not the liabilities.

Don't wait to be an investor until you quit your job, just start investing while you are working itself so we can increase more cash inflow.

Property is expensive and you would need to take loan from the bank, I think the bank would relunctance to giving out home loan under such climate, unless you can secure the home loan, or you aren’t allowed into this premium club for the elite.

I think you can save a lot of money working overtime everyday, and after a few years down on working for a paycheck, you must have a lot of capital for investment. By then you can get a lot of bitcoin with your paycheck.

Many people don’t feel a pinch working their entire life for paycheck, that’s why they don’t learn investing, we have all sort of people blaming, marching on the street, shaming each other on the net, because they didn’t invest their money and they’re getting too old to start all over, so remember to investing asap.

I can tell many people invest into trading bitcoin, they trade bitcoin everyday, that’s a very bad habit, they’re losing on trading fee and the exchange take a big cut from their earning, I think they didn’t learn how to investing.

You are proclaiming it as if it is a magic solution to financial freedom. Of course, it can be a part of the solution but in reality, the success rate in becoming successful in investing is just 20%. Most investors lose their money and there is a myriad of reasons that can happen. Even if you study investing, there is still a chance you can lose money because market is very unpredictable.

But, I do not discourage anyone from investing. They should do it but be wise about it. Like everyone else says, invest only the amount you can afford to lose. If you lose, you will not mind so much. But if you get lucky, it is a great addition to your source of income.

Indeed, if we only work hard and lack investment, we will never be able to enjoy a comfortable life and early retirement but unfortunately, a lot of hardworking people refuse to invest because for them, investing is a dangerous game, they can lose everything they tried, and instead of living such a life, they chose to live a normal life, no worries and pressure on investment. They have very reasonable explanations, the risk of investment is always too great while the number of successful people is too small, everyone will have a choice that suits their abilities, we probably should not force and change their choice

I think that was a good idea too because some of the people today are now starting to make investment when the market Is too low because by that we can make a lot of earnings that can save our future while you are still young or at the early age it is better to make investment so that in the future you can quit your job and take a rest for your entire life and enjoy your living routine that minding the number of money you will need to save also it is a good trait that we are saving a lot of money because this may practice us to support ourselves and become an independent person that can sustain our daily needs. Always enjoy your life and don't sacrifice your health and self just to earn a little amount of money.

everyone wants to be like that, but the problem is not everyone can have enough money to start an investment to get out of the workforce.
Everyone's needs are different, so for me while it is still possible and healthy to work, use it together if it does not interfere with work time is the right solution.

Not everyone has a business soul, especially their millennial generation is more consumptive. I think for beginners who want to start a business can start to become intermediaries for sellers and buyers. This practice can hone business instincts and investment skills for beginners.

Investments can start with simple things even when we are young. Investment is our money is safe and growing, so we must be able to distinguish between assets (real assets and produce) or liabilities (burdens/liabilities that will reduce our assets).

We take the example of a car, a car can be an asset or a liability. The car will be an asset when we rent it or we make it as an advertising car that generates additional income for us. Cars become liabilities when we only use them for personal use because we have to pay extra to pay for maintenance costs and taxes. So for beginners, they can start changing their hearts to become assets rather than liabilities.

Well what you are saying makes absolute sense but what If I don't wanna quit my job because I love my job ? :P ;) I know there are very few people out there who can say this and that's the saddest part . Isn't it? We often run after the money instead of running after satisfaction .

I have this dream since I was a kid, but only with BTC I started to do my plan and follows

I have a passive income with BTC and cryptos and this teaches me a lot of things that helping me in my daily life

I see most people talking about being almost impossible to stop working but they are not stoping wasting money

We have to change our comfort, luxury, ultimate tech stuff and a lot of another things to achieve this goal, it's not easy, but the rewards will be for the rest of your life, I'm doing this, but when I talk to people around be, no one wants to stop buying new cars, new clothes every month, trips etc etc

That is why it is important to have a job that really tickles your interest so you won't be having too much hard time about your work but of course as we grow, mature and face hard situation we understand that profit is important so you'll go to anything that gives earns you money but the point of the OP is to invest and grow your money as early as possible so you won't be thinking of working yourself too much in the future for you have investments.

It’s obviously a magic, genius derive from the words “genie” “in” “us”, that’s exploring the genius inside ourselves, make magic out of the resources we have, Wright brothers create magic out of the knowledge they have, they create the first flying object, the first airplane, everybody called them magician, Albert Einstein discover first light bulb, everybody called him magician, magician make magic out of knowledge they learn from chemistry, they make people laugh and happy with magic, the same goes for investing, it’s a magic and make people happy and quit their job.

investing in what ? cryptos just because we are on the crypto forum or other assets are included on here  ?

 investing in crypto is unstable but more profitable  , you can cash out your earning and save those earning but on other stable assets they can work out mostly long term . between the two  , you can retire as early as posible if you grab cryptos  but if you grab the much stable assets then you need to work to support your needs and also to save up as well   .

Then you’re absolutely workaholic, people who addicted to working and being very busy, have a lot of errand to commit to all the while, they have my deepest respect, they contribute to the economy output for the country.

We need to stockpile toilet paper, ramen, face mask, water, food, the rainy day is getting closed, then you need to spend money to get them from Walmart.

You can make money working for Uber, I think it’s plausible to make money, provide you’re hardworking, it’s the same as working for paycheck. Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg may beg for differ, they are great investors.

I really want to do this as well but it is really hard when you are not making enough money to cover your expenses every month. I mean in order to save some money you have to make enough money to not live but also put some aside, I am literally making a net loss every month so it is quite impossible for me to start investing. I have tried some back in the day from the extra money that I got from some bounties and so forth but all in all none of that really turned out to make me rich neither, not at least enough to retire early.

My new idea is to make money from crypto world however pour that back into real world to have a more sustainable and understandable investment. I know we all love crypto here but I think it is time to have a more realistic investment than just some coins.

Probability of making profits from day trading could be 3 to 5% even on a normal day so playing little bit of fee won't hurt the traders as long as they are making profits and also there are some ways to reduce the trading fee like holding exchange's token will get discount on the fee like BNB on Binance.

That's right and the most important thing is to have special skills so that you can have your own line of business early on, because having your own line of business is also a form of long-term investment if you have good skills to manage it so that it remains consistent to continue to grow and increasingly popular in the community. There are many forms of investment and indeed, we should make investments from now on, because with us starting faster then that will improve our experience and skills in this circle.

Indeed,  I have know a lot of my relatives and neighbors that even if they are already old they still need to work for their needs or to live day by day. I also think that, investing and considering it early in our lives would have a great impact on us when we get older and we realize that life is short to be wasted only for work. We should somehow have the mindset to always think of what is more better and would help us in the future, we should not always think of the present but we should anticipate what is to come.

Although some time you got much profit from investing in bitcoin and altcoin never quit from your job, always have bigger chance when your investing have lower price and you lost much money from your investment in bitcoin and altcoin, it will be the way to get income from your job.

Tell that to maximalist who hoard for life long.

Keeping your expense low, not spend below your means, that’s might be cherry picking, but you can keep your expense low by having passive income, you need to spend below your mean for active income. You must want to be in the position that benefit the most, which one is it?

Investors must be very skillful, they also need to have the know how of earth and heaven, life and death, dragon and tiger, also kung fu.

Compounding effect will outpace your lifelong hardwork in a great margin.

Investing it is a good idea if we earn more in comes on trading, But for me I dont have a plan yet to quit my job because Ill need it as of now. Maybe on when I earn more in trading can build more business Ill think that was a time for me to quit my job. I plan this on when I come in crypto currency that would be better have a time make my own decision so for now I need to ear more before to make a move.

We can start investing but why should we stop working? I'm not against investing but if you really want to earn a lot, you can still work but not to the point that you exhaust yourself from working. What I mean is that even those successful and rich people, they still work everyday even though they already invested in something. So it means, if you really want to be successful in life, you shouldn't just stop from investing. You can thrive harder.

The problem is that it's not that simple, unfortunately. In this crypto world, even good ideas are out of your control.

That's the best plan you could do to generate more money. I know that there's no risk-free business at all but facing the risks is worth if you succeed. So for those weak hearted or those who don't have the confidence of establishing their own business, be courageous and continue pursuing :). Don't worry about the losses because it can be prevented after all. Just like the old saying, "Work smarter, not harder". Let the money work for itself.

In general, you and I are aiming to make money. But everything is not easy, so start investing. Capital issues and knowledge for investment. I think it will be the basis for getting started, but that isn't something everyone can do. Instead of advising people to invest early, I think you should tell people to do well the work that suits their ability, then they can think of other ideas for making money. This is gonna be better, man.

Well, They all started at the bottom. They work hard and smart to achieve the things they have today. I'd agree that it's easier to say, though everyone has capability to do it as long as an individual take every possible tool available as an advantage.

Tbh, This will take time and a lot of trial and errors will be done. Patience and effort are a factors in this case. Investing is not a 1 day course that anyone can learn instantly. Those person you've mention above, also gone through this process and still going through it on a daily basis. Investing has big world, and without proper knowledge in it, a newbie can easily be swallowed.

In my own opinion, it is very easy to say but hard to do because investing your money in cryptocurrencies or in other things is not really sure if it can give you an enough profit just to provide all of your neccesities and pay all of your bills. Investing your money is a risk, that is why you should not leave your job or retire early because it is more better to invest your money while having a regular job for you to provide the things that you need.

Maybe for some people, they see work as just a way in order to earn money for a living, but to some people, they see work as their passion and I don't see any problems with that. Yes, having vacation and resting is really good, and most people will like that, but being always in a vacation and not having any work just because you are earning money from an investments (if you are earning good ROI) could be really boring. Yes, you'll enjoy it at first, but you'll always seek for something to do.
Also, remember that investing does not give guaranteed profit, knowledge and capital is also needed in this. If you doesn't have this things, earning could be really difficult.

Honestly, this is one of the hardest things in life to do when you are married and have a family not because it will cost you more money (it will but that's another topic) but because you want them to live a better life and it is not just about you anymore. I can live with bare minimum life but do I really want to offer my wife the bare minimum as well? No. I want her to live the best life possible that she can live and that causes me to spend more money to provide a decent life for her.

Plus, not everyone lives in a first world country, if you live a third world country living even a decent life is very expensive, the average is basically starvation in many nations so if you live a decent life and go out twice a week you are basically considered rich as well.

This is one of the reasons I hear the most when it comes to the difficulty of saving and investing and you are right, if you are single not only your expenses are going to be many times lower you can choose what comfort level you are willing to accept and save the rest of your money, but when you have a family then it is not longer about you, however there is a way to solve this and that is to evaluate very honestly if the additional expenses you are making actually improve the quality of your life, if they do not then you can get rid of them and save that money instead.

Invest into what?

Mutual funds? - Subject to market risks and may/ not give you even your capital returned.

Stocks? Shares? High risk equities? - Never, I'd rather keep my money with me in the form of cash.

Banks? - Meh, I'd love to keep this allergy away from my money and focus on how to keep it safe from these big-scale robbers.

Bitcoins? - Well, I don't have the courage to keep all my money stored into BTC because of its uncertainty. I can keep some % of my earnings to remain in BTC, but not all.

Real estate? - Somewhat yes, but needs a lot of knowledge about the land/place we invest into and the potential returns in a few years later from that property.

To invest, you need to have some knowledge, especially when it comes to cryptocurrencies or exchange-traded assets, otherwise there is a possibility of losing your money as a whole. Of course, you can invest in real estate, which is most suitable in my opinion.

I would simply work out what I could afford to pay each week/fortnight/month on bitcoin, $20, $50... $100 and once bought it goes straight into a paper wallet that I prmice myself I won't touch until retirement or a set target date say in 20+ years time.

The only stipulation is you have to keep buying no matter if the price goes up, down or sideways as regular as clock-work.

investment is saving in the long run. I think it will be more effective if we know the time for each purchase, so that later the profit gained will be greater. on the other hand, by investing means not disrupting our real work, and can run normally. so we have extra money to always invest. our long-term investment goal is to guarantee our old age financially free

I think investing is not enough for you to quit your job because you can still invest eve you are investing, you are just going to wait for the market to goes high it won't really affect your work. Do not waste your 4 years course career, do not lose it only because you are investing because you can do it both, it is better if you still have work mate because your earnings is still continuous when you have work. Investing is not a sure win profit so do not trust it so much in a way that you will stop your work just for it.

Investing is really good especially for those who have knowledge on it because investing is not a simple thing, you should have knowledge first about it, so you will assure yourself that you may earn from it.

Well said mate, everything you are doing in this virtual world are needed more knowledge, no things come in an easy way, you need to work hard for it, research about it and always think wisely, in addition, there are so many hackers and scammers, so if you are beginner and you try to invest or trade then you may lose your money.

In the last month I've started wearing signatures - the funds I've received so far I'm splitting and putting aside for future long term projects.  

In theory a portion (25%) to a retirement fund (not my only source of retirement mind you), (25%) fund lightning network channels (more the merrier I guess) and one or two other projects once I work out what they are.  (possibly 50/50 split of the remainder to buy alt crypto (25% overall) and buy items (final 25%) such as gems from roughswap (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1047829) in this thread: Swapping gemstones for coins (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3537803.0))

That’s not a wise decision, you gotta yolo, just like cz binance who confesses to sold his house to buy bitcoin at $500 and hodl even though it dumped to $100, or Didi who sold bike sold bed sheet sold his business to all in bitcoin at $20,000??? And dump to $3xxx and freezing his ass to coffin. That’s not for the fainted heart.

You can be risk free when you’re one of the big banker, they’re the only who shun risk to dead.

I need to learn Brazilian jitsu tsu to brown belt 4th rank, Bruce Lee legacy kung fu to top tier achievement, also beat the dragon and tiger in the journey to investing, it’s very very difficult.

Let’s recap what they did in the past
satoshi beat the dragon who monopolies the p2p transaction, the giant bank via bitcoin
Mark Zuckerberg beat the mainstream news who monopolies the advertisements revenue over the internet via FB
Elon Musk beat the tiger who monopolies the offline money transactions via PayPal

They all fought well and beat the final boss, yeah it’s kinda difficult.

The easiest thing to do is inaction and lazy. It’s easy also it’s why you will feel the heat burning your bums when your house burning wild fire and you think it’s fine to just do nothing.

You got to enjoy vacation during Christmas or lunar new year, but you would still feel empty in life. I think vacation isn’t really what you’re after, what you’re after is enjoy what little time you have living on this earth, vacation is just part of the deal not the final product and that’s why you feel empty because you didn’t receive the product but a empty parcel from your express delivery, can you ask for a refund?

You gotta be kidding, investing is easier in third world undeveloped country, since most of the resource is still untapped, that’s what emerging market has been the trend among big institutional, the U.S. is suffering from super low GDP growth rate that’s may not mean a lot to you, but the pain behind low GDP isn’t getting feel on undeveloped country, they need to pay for many facilities that’s typically free on third world China, for example professionally done Corona virus dianogstic to be charge $4000 in U.S. but given free on mainland, welfare programs are the only source of income for them you see many US nations go around the world and begging for donation but do you see any Chinese nation begging all over your homeland? That’s something many people can’t see without a deep understanding to impact of the GDP, I think Japanese will soon go around the world to begging for donation too.

I like to invest into something risk free. I know many people will tell you’re dreaming to get anything risk free. But that’s your fault who didn’t work hard to enough to look for them, risk free investment does existed, and risk free investment is also the only one that give you multi flippening gain that you craze badly. Look carefully we have many risk free investments that kick off wildly since the last century.

I don’t think you’re welcome into the elite club who monopolies the real estate market.

Having a plan is good, I will do the same too.

Investment always outpace working hard for paycheck, in the long run when you investment outpace the income you gain from paycheck you would naturally quit your job, and even straight away retire for life. I think the opposite goes the same too.

I do not consider cryptocurrency as the main source of income. I have a permanent job and part of my contributions go to the pension Fund. And in order to provide a passive income for yourself, you need to make a very large investment in such a business. And then I ask myself the question: do You want to live now or later in retirement?

I don't think everyone can just simply quit their job and just start investing. If that becomes a mentality it will harm them in the long run. You can't simply start investing, you need a funds that will support if you experience shortcomings (trust me shortcomings will happen a lot when investing), you also need fund to support your daily life, you can't think clearly without physical sustenance. If you read this and you are thinking about quitting your job, consider your situation; can you afford to lose this job?, will it affect my loved ones?, are you good at choosing where to invest?. Ask these questions yourself. Think before you leap especially if investing is an uncharted waters for you.

I like the idea of investing at an early ages
Just imagine how much we could have saved if we invested something at our early ages,
Let's say we started investing or saving while we are still in grade school I know there are some people who likes to save money just like me when I was a kid.
Just imagine if there are still those kind of kids nowadays and instead of saving Fiat in their piggy bank they would keep it on crypto.

Keep think once more time when you want quit from your job and keep focus with investing and trading in cryptocurrency after seeing how bitcoin or altcoin drop drastic today, keep brave for quit from your job and continue for investing in crypto or not.

Very true we should not delay investment, because investment can make you get passive income. Although realize it is not as easy as
we imagine, at least we start first. If our investment goes smoothly for approximately 5 years then we can make a decision to get out
of our work in the real world.And focus on investing in crypto, and being able to enjoy the life we've been dreaming of. That all can be
realized if our intention is strong to invest from now up to 5-10 next year.

Start investing right now to get much profit and bring opportunity when bitcoin keep going down, but when bitcoin have going up you will know how much profit earn from bitcoin and altcoin, you will able buy with lower price.

Yeah you are absolutely right you can't guarantee that your investment will keep you at the high situation, you also need to get a job work hard for it or you can also do business on your own aside from that you can also invest on the other company to promote your own company

while we are still young, it seems we have to be good at managing finances so that our old age is guaranteed. some of our income from real work, should be invested in several fields of investment in accordance with our beliefs. so that the next 10 years we can realize dreams, which are sometimes difficult to achieve from real work, but we must have good knowledge to choose the investment field

If your paycheck is $1500 a month, and you can convert half of them into passive income, that’s will be $750, you can move your entire family to third world country say Manila and live a life of a king with their low cost and high quality lifestyle, although you can’t do anything with $750 in the United State. With passive income you don’t need to work on the United State and earn USD and living in third world country. Isn’t it a wonderful magic in life?

The point is you don’t need to make a lot of passive income, you don’t need to make $5000 of passive income, even $500 in passive income is life changing and with that $500 passive income you can say “kiss your ass good bye” to the United State and move your entire family to the lowest of the low cost country, no compromising on your lifestyle in moving from first world to third world country. Is it too much to ask for converting to just 1/10 of your active income to passive income to make a change in life?

No one can give you such an opportunity to earn a lot of money now, except to work on the cryptocurrency market yourself. And not everyone has such opportunities , but only those who are not afraid to invest in bitcoin. Therefore, we can not stand aside now and we need to make investments for tomorrow.

By converting 1/10 of your active income into bitcoin miner, you’re turning your earning into 1/10 passive income, with that passive income, you can move to third world and live a life of a king, $500 in passive income is frugal in United State, but $500 passive income in Manila you can retire and quit your job entirely, also you can move to any third world country with $500 passive income as you like, no constrain to that.

This isnt advisable. Having a day job is a normal life, and doing trading and crypto works isnt sustainable. Maybe if you have a regular income or commissioned to do with a huge rate but even though, you cant ripped any benefits while residing on a private company.

Maybe you can save money for mining and earned passively but with the current state of btc price it will not bring you more ROI, maybe just put some out of your salary and hold for long term.

If converting 1/10 into passive income is too much for you, try 1/100, try covert $50 active income into bitcoin mining and you would see a world of difference. I think nobody would get mad at 1/100 income spend on investing into bitcoin mining.

Passive income used to be very difficult to come by, you can’t get a lot of option to generate passive income in the past, but with crypto currency, you can convert your entire active income to passive income with just a click of a button, what a blast and seamless experience.

The point is you doing business to generate passive income, what if you can exclude the business and directly generate passive income? That’s crazy thought to bypass everything difficult and straight to the sweet spot. Bitcoin give you the opportunity to bypass business and generate passive income, bitcoin mining give you the opportunity to convert your income into bitcoin miner to generate passive income.

Convert 10% of your active paycheck to passive income, that is $ 5000 to $500, and move to Manila and quit you $5000 paycheck job and living off with $500 in Manila. That is not living below your means, that is called financially smart, because with $500 in Manila you don’t have to live below your means, you can have all the fine dining everyday in Manila and still leave you with change with that $500 passive income.

- Indeed, investing can be a series of days that are not easy and very stressful for us but we still invest as soon as possible because investment is the beginning of opportunities, it helps us to have a mutant source of income, and when this mutant income stream keeps up well over time, we can spend more time on it, then thinking about an early retirement plan is possible. A good point in starting your investment early is that we will be able to correct the mistakes, can combat the losses, what youth has the most is time

A lot of things have fundamentally changed indefinitely when the foreign exchanges rate get wrecked during 1997 financial crashes, big business with heavy financial intelligent move to third world country because they can live lavishly with the USD they generated from passive income. With bitcoin come to disrupt the entire foreign exchange once again, big business are not need anymore, everybody can live lavishly from passive income generated from bitcoin mining.

Investing in bitcoin or in cryptocurrency, in general, is just another way that you can diversify your investment for retirement. But if you will actually get your retirement out of a certain investment, you really have to think of it wisely.
Your spending habits will be your one factor if you think it's suitable for you to lean on that investment that you're planting today and if it can sustain your lifestyle in the future.

Take a mirror and reflect yourself, you work for someone else everyday and torture your body to work despite your body getting sick from all the workload, but you keep pushing yourself to the point that your body finally collapses and Corona virus can easily  get into you body and destroy it, you have only a pair of arm and leg, it’s the god given gifts to you, but you decide to destroy this most valuable gifts for a paycheck that you don’t even know why you’re working endlessly and knowing you wouldn’t have pension to take care of you when you get old, I look at my arm and leg, I tell myself, I will use this god given gifts to travel the world and enjoy the life but not for the paycheck nor to sacrifice myself to this endless debt cycle, or follow the school system that taught us to be useful to the society and sjw teaching that every men should be bread winner that make money until they die.

I'm reflecting on it and I'm aware of employment, full-time, part-time, contractual and side gigs. I know that we shouldn't be working forever and that's why we're all planning our retirement. But for starters and young professionals, they have to get employment at first so that they will understand the industry or how it feels to be. It doesn't matter whether they'll be employed for a week, a two or a month. They have to realize and understand how it feels to be working forever without a plan getting out of the rat race.

Anyone who wants to be investing should know what kind of investment they should go into, and doing that means that you should know the level of risk you can tolerate and how much you can afford to risk in investment. If you’re the type that likes to take huge risks and you have a lot of money, then Bitcoin is a good choice to go with and there is a good chance that you can make huge profit from a long term investment, if you can put away a certain amount of money for that long.

It is not a must that everyone will invest in Bitcoin, there are also other investments like gold, bonds, farms and the rest of them. Do proper research and you decide for yourself what’s best.

that's why he says start investing as early as possible, or you can take classes on economics or whatever it is that helps you to determine which investments are good.
so if you make a mistake you can fix it as soon as possible.

Without a doubt here in Australia a persons Superannuation is a safety net to fall back on, but it shouldn't be the only form of self-funded retirement scheme that you should rely on.

Superannuation is a form of "set and forget" investment - a fixed amount comes out of your wages each pay day and is invested for you.  Similarly, if you can automate the purchase and deposit of bitcoin into a paper wallet through services such as https://www.getpaidinbitcoin.com.au/ (https://portal.getpaidinbitcoin.com.au:443/Account/Register?referredby=1d006) where you can deposit fiat and crypto is sent to one or more bitcoin wallet addresses.  Whenever you convert say $100 into BTC, set it up to deposit $10 into a paper wallet.  You won't notice it the small amount discrepancy and if the paper wallet is in a safe location, then you won't be tempted to take it out later on.  (Essentially you set and forget)

Damn just after working for few years my feet start to failed me, my right foot are feeling sore crazy, I think I’m going to be disabled soon if I keep going on, I can’t inagine the people who can work so decade or even to their retirement (if they have any retirement in mind LOL), that’s crazy I haven’t even understand how this world work and I’m forced to work for this endless debt cycle, just still a kid who are clueless to this world, child labour are going rampant not diminishing, many people work and get killed on accident, you may feel lucky that you only loss your arm in accident, isn’t it what they sjw tell you? And they will tell you to get back to work and stfu unless you’re dead so don’t protest.

If investing was as easy as you described, no one would work. Passive income is possible for skilled and well-educated persons only. And don't forget about an initial capital for investment.

Investing still needs good capital and in order to have a passive income and that's one of the reasons why we have to strive to work while we're still young. We can't invest now and quite our job instantly because there are still things that we have to consider. Using our savings as an investment is another strategy for us to have a good start but we're always advised to invest what we could afford to lose. Enough knowledge and time to pursue passive income is also necessary because investment alone wouldn't work on its own without effort.

Investing is really hard, if you are not that rich and your family is not financially stable. Passive income for small investment is nothing compare to your monthly bills and needs. If you want that your investment income will cover your monthly needs then, you need a big investment capital to do that. What you need really is business so you can quit your job and make an early retirement. Investment is the second thing you need if you establish a business. It's hard, but if it works then, you will be financially free for the rest of your life.

When I read something like "quit your job/passive income" my lamp for scam is turned on.
How can someone recommend you to do something like that. Thats the good story, Mark Z, Elon Musk and other people, but they are 10 in 7 billion.

That’s correct the elements of scams is in itself, that’s also the beauty of investment because it will dictate the scammers but only blessing the one who’s truly well deserve it deep in their heart, do you recognise any publicly listed billionaires on their achievement and compare to those ill-gotten wealth trilllionaire politicians who refuse to have their names being mentioned on Forbes richest list? The few openly known billionaires are typically American nations or Chinese nations, we wouldn’t got to see Mugabee who hoard the entire nation wealth name to be listed on Forbes, there is too many money got into the hand of the corrupted people, the people who control 99% of the wealth are those politicians, Elon Musk could be just the nobody in their eye even though his contribution to the society is immeasurable, I think satoshi even stand no chance to beat their ill-gotten wealth.

Investing is no doubt not easy, but for the billionaires, investing is the easy part, they’re facing even tough life after becoming billionaires, their life of being billionaires are being dictate everyday from the corrupted politicians who constantly want to get their hand on those money they well deserve it, the life of a billionaires is no longer about making more money, but to educate the entire nations to open their eye widely and see the clear pictures to what’s the reason we are all poor and our country are in chaos, that’s the true challenge to the billionaires, they need to change the people mindset, that’s far more difficult than investing, I always have respect to the billionaires who can change the world to the better, they’re truly deserve it, I respect Bill Gate and Steve Jobs for creating the personal computer operating system, without their contribution, we will be still living in the feudalism medieval age that we kill each other and not knowing the truth who benefit by profiteering from wars, who sell weapons of mass destructions to whom, and who is being ordered to kill and be killed, for the name of saving the country and also enrich the pocket of the few elite families who fund the world wars, blood is money in their eye.

In my opinion, investing is in a big part about mindset and a bit about money, you can have all the entire nation wealth’s but still you would make a very bad investing decision, I’m talking to 401k here. With a willing to help mindset on you, and a little capital you can make a totally world of change, I’m talking about Steve Jobs who get into bankruptcy all the time while still become the founder of the world most highly valuable publicly traded company, because Steve Jobs are a small part greedy for money and a big part mindset trying to help the people, Steve Jobs are greedy too but not to the point of heartless and looking for wealth in killing people.

We all have our own ways on how we can escape poverty and make passive incomes. We all have our different times, some may end up getting rich at a very young age while some takes a long while before becoming stable. Investments can be very useful if you want to secure a good life in the future but doesn't necessarily mean you should quit your job after getting much from investing. You can still keep on working so that if ever there's an emergency, you wouldn't experience any trouble in terms of money. It can be crypto investment or fiat investment, whatever it is, you need to make it work so that your time wouldn't be wasted for nothing.

It is not that easy for anyone to start investing without proper knowledge about investment, I have seen quite a few people who have lost a lot of their savings with bad investment choices made, I guess it is always better to learn about investment slowly by investing small amount of money first and wait to see the final result of that investment before deciding what to do next.

Yeah, I agree that not everyone can save for themselves, I have been trying to save for a long time, glad fully I have some saved aside thanks to some bounty bonus I did that turned out to be a good amount and it is totally saved aside but I fail at monthly saves.

I can't just spend the money I earn and keep some of it aside, hell I can't even cover that every month so I have to spend some of my investments time to time, thankfully that is rare but it happens as well. So, how could one person who fails to even pay for monthly expense manage to put some money aside. I will keep trying to do it but I just fail at it.

Now, I have about 25k saved somewhere (gold, crypto, interest etc etc) but I don't even know a proper passive income that would make sense and be not so risky neither.

I’m not going to blame anyone, personally I had seen people loss money in stock market, first in 97 I heard that my mum talking about her elder brother getting into some type of scam in the past nobody aware of stock market existed but we just know he’s investing into something but trying to hide it when loss the money in the crashes, and also by the time in 97 internet was not as robust as today, you can’t access internet with windows 95 (LoL) as the time pass we finally know the truth so that’s stock market that he’s dabbling and loss the pension fund he had saved up, then once again in 2008, this time it was my friend talking about his dad, who recently retired from managerial title and have a million in pension(that’s a lot in 2008), investing into some franchise company selling ice cream, of course with ALL the pension money he have, I think he’s being promised 10% ROI for the investment, kinda same like bitconnect, they promise safe investment, grade A investment, backed by big fund, etc, and yeah you already know that loss the entire money into the scam, although I can’t do anything but just listen to what they say, but strangely for the highly educated people they easily get scammed, many blame about their low emotion for trusting a scammer with their pension money, by now I think it kinda make sense what is happening in 2008, many people loss a fortune into the stock market, btw it is 2020, the stock market recently crashed too, in waiting to see who’s going to be the next one crying scam and who’s going to be the losing entire pension into the investment, I haven’t heard anybody talking about losing their pension yet, may be people are getting too smart and they didn’t put any money into stock market?

I’m always advocate risk-free investment, there is all sort of scammers in this world, they know how to dupe people deep in their hearts, scammers know you want risk-free investment because nobody can afford to loss their pension fund into investing, and the scammers team up with more scammers and develop a new scam that promise “risk-free” investment” and trying to sell to the pensioners, the pensioners being duped and believe in the words of the scammers who plead about “risk-free” investment, and they get duped into investing the “risk-free investment” sold by con artist, that’s intriguing people have poor comprehension on word by word definitions, they get duped by words of mouth, and very common for the highly educated one who get duped by the keywords in the portfolio the scammers sell to them.

Well,  what’s risk-free investment? You may tell me it’s all but hoax no such thing as risk-free but only scams. That’s not entirely wrong, however risk-free investment still exists, but they’re usually only controlled by the few elites who work for the big bankers, and yeah all big bankers have all the risk-free investment, you can read some book, Grunch of Giants who debunk the risk-free investment produced by south sea company.

everybody wants it, it's just that all investments need money, and now people are working to collect it. even after they have the money, they will think of a safe and promising investment place. I already have several plans for that, it's just that money is the main factor in this matter. Well, we have the energy, and that is something we can use right now to make money.

You need to plan out everything before investing because in just a snap, your money might be gone if you put it into a wrong investment. You can also try to seek the help of the experts and try to ask them about the factors that you should consider before investing.

You are lucky to understand that employment or working for someone isn't for you. There are not that much people who's willing to take risk and only wants to be employed forever because there's a stable income and benefits being like one. But for people that doesn't see the beauty of it wants to have freedom but the income wouldn't be as stable as being employed and we're lucky to have that kind of feeling because we don't like it and it's not for us. But we can't blame the people who wants to work for a certain work forever.

The point is they don’t even understand why satoshi create a brand new currency that completely cut tie off with existing one, because the currency we are working on for paycheck are totally blinding us years after years, decades after decades, we wasted a lot of time working to enrich the lazy parasite who contribute nothing but create more debts, while our useful energy not going into helping the poor kids to get ahead in life, people are wasting too much youth working for a corrupted currency, few people want to change that, they want people to create more jobs create softwares to help the people, create computer to help people get educated and get ahead in life, create a utopian nation in this corrupted world, but it’s not easy, they need a new currency that wouldn’t get dictated again by the capitalism, I think bitcoin might be failing in this department, but what else can we do except keep chasing for the same rules and play the same capitalism game and get poorer and poorer by day, yet we are fooled and confused and misinformed and we blame each other for our problem yet we praise the lords who leeching us forever for providing us with a steady paycheck job that’s killing our soul inside out working for the sweat shop that the lords force us into.

True that’s what capitalism want you to feel, they want you to keep chasing the same rules they’re setting up for you, they want you to keep working on the goal that they carefully crafted, you’re just an economical and political output in their eye but you don’t even know why, you think you’re working for a better future, its a reality check for you, you’re clearly working to enrich the regime as bad as Mugabe who robbing the entire nation wealth yet create no job copportunities to anyone, and you even praise Mugabe for being so rich and give you a secure job with decent paycheck but no pension to you because Mugabe want to use all that money to enrich his entire heirs of 666 generations of Mugabe regime, and keep ruling the people with the same regime that turn all of you into chasing the same fraudulent rules.

All of the above are very educated people. You can't say to a random person "Start investing so you can quit your job and retire early." because it can turn into a disaster for them. The only thing that's always worth investing in is your education. The thing is that even if you succeed in making money without being educated, those money will hardly make your life better. So, first things first, get a good education, and only after that start thinking on where to invest.

No contest to that, I can fathom all of them are far more insightful than many people miles ahead, they’re totally unlearning themselves to the school education system, I’m not sure what are you going to suggest, when the entire social system is designed in a way that promoting “go to school, get good result with flying color, get a job with benefit, invest into well diversified portfolio, get married and you’re set for life.” You can’t get a good education with current social order, that’s a losing envaedor, personally I don’t even know what to do to educate people, may be create smartphone create awareness on Facebook, create software and so on, but with massive amount of fake news spending all over the internet, you can’t even educate people as easy as it used to be in 2008, that’s trying too hard, the capitalism always get away from it.

Investing is good but anyone who is investing should mind the kind of investment they do, it’s not every asset you see that you should be investing in, and you risk tolerance matters a lot. If you don’t want to take a high risk then you should go for less risky investments.

Bitcoin is not the only investment I am into, I know that Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are volatile, so when I invest, I set out a particular amount of money for cryptocurrency and invest around 70 – 90% of the money in Bitcoin and the remaining goes to others, especially Ethereum, Bitcoin Cash and Litecoin. Then other investments I consider are bonds and similar annual Investments.

It is very vital for everyone who want to invest first to understand the business mode in which want to invest the money . Secondly always have a backup ready so that you have an exit way ready if the need be . Thirdly allocate properly so that you do not put all your eggs under one basket . Fourth start at the time when market is down which is the best time to invest when others are fearful .

Not trying to mocking, any typical boomers and any typical student loans would easily amounting to 25k, but it’s very fortunate to even have any saving at this climate when austerity recession going on for so many years, and the golden age of economical boom is so over too many year ago, the boomers also reap every profit imaginable, we are fighting for the remaining 2% of GDP growth that’s left to grab, I’m also planning what to do with the saving that we have right now, the thing people seem to be doing is hoarding precious metal coins, it’s sort of risk-free, because your dollar value will be the same if the precious metal market crash, if the precious metal market soaring high you can melt the coins for its metal value, it’s a sure win investment no matter which way the market goes.

if investing in cryptocurrency seems to be a little difficult to get results, especially if you invest 100% money into cryptocurrency the risk you face will be large, it's better if you already get a job do not get out, because you can regret later

It would be less risky of course if you start a little investment while working so that if you fail in your investment, you still have another revenue for your income. Investing would be very ideal especially for the soon to retire people but let's face the fact that not all people are given opportunities to make an investment due to shortage of capital and your own income is just enough to feed your family.

if it is not certain in getting benefits from this, you should not quit the job. yeah, that's the best. however, many people are looking for work out there. do this when you truly believe that your investment is good enough to provide results every month.

Regular jobs are not permanent especially with the huge economic crisis they will surely lay off thousands of employees like Wayfair did. Even if you spent your whole lifetime promoting and building the company you will still get let go regardless of the good deeds you've brought to the company. So investing and getting a proportion of your salary to put it in any asset it doesn't have to be Bitcoin but it can be also a good investment to profit and become financially free.

I like the idea but what you mention only can do if we have job and money, every activity have prices. Start with saving and learn world out side reality will open our mindset about future, the problem is we don't want to try if already  on safe zone. Get out now and use your time and money to get cash, after that we can learn about invest/ trade to get financial freedom.

Self-education is becoming easier year by year, and this process is irreversible. For now people who know English are in an advantageous position, because mostly some great free educational stuff is in English, but later, I'm sure, it will be available in all languages. And since the education is not free yet for most of the people, I think that the best option is investing in your education. It can be classes in your local language, or some English courses, it doesn't matter. What matters is understanding that making money with your skills and knowledge is much more preferable than making money with money(which happens with investing in the best case scenario.)

Let take a look at the macro level of today dilemma faced by young men. Bank would allocate equal fund to two group of people, one being the smart one (the “A student”), one being the dumb one (the “C student”), “A student” would often time go to study higher education, while “C student” would often go to start a business or simply settle down and get married. Fast forward to ten years later, what we are going to see is most often time the “A student” despite having very knowledgable, but they also cope up with huge pile of student loans, with that amount of student loan burdening their life, they can’t make use of their knowledge and build something useful, but forced to work for the corporate jobs that often time has nothing to do with the knowledge they have. Waste of their youthful energy and work on office jobs indulge themselves with office politics, tie a noose around their neck, do mind numbing paperwork, attend endless meeting, reporting to bosses, that’s how you destroy a “A student” who could be productive and produce exceptional breakthroughs, but push to work for something else; while I’m not gonna cover the “C student”, they’re often time ended up in divorces or became crack head doing drugs or living a tug life, (also there is “B student” who mainly excel in politics and manipulation, who love living a parasitic life.)

The whole point is “A student” are getting knowledges but at a high cost that would often dictate their life dream of building a utopian nations, but education don’t come cheap, it’s expensive to sustain a highly civilised and knowledge based society, (which civilisation didn’t collapse in the entire human history?). What I think can fix the world problems is lowering the cost of educations, we should help the young boy who would pursuit to be “A student” in education, by providing them competitive educations at a price that would not burn their wallet, I think free educations to be idealistic, 200k in education for a young boy to go from college to university graduate to be reduced to 2k that would make a world of different, it’s all but theory, it’s easy to just say but how can we provide education at such a low cost?? Wikipedia might be trying to provide competitive education for “A student” at a very low cost, but we all know what’s happening to Wikipedia now, the entire knowledge based website become a place of misinformation, deceptions, politics, fake news, that’s not going to nurture “A student”, I think Wikipedia would likely nurture more “B student”. So how to reduce the cost of education for “A student” again? May be using YouTube to provide free education? Create computer for self learning? Create softwares? Create internet based education forum? They are all idealistic in theory but in real world we often see all of them end up in the wrong hand and get abused. Good luck trying to provide low cost educations and also trying to nurture more “A student”, all civilisation would eventually come to an end, it’s the nature of a life cycle, every civilisation would collapse in 200 years and erase all “A student” from the face of the earth, no one can change that.

I had see a lot of professors PhD who should be tasked to building world changing “life support unit” the livingry artefact to solve world all human being economic and social needs.  But they’re all being forced to do something else, include working for mind numbing office job, mind numbing food delivery jobs, mind numbing office politics, we all destined to destroy the “A student” that can move the world forward, nobody can challenge the law of nature, nature always beat nurture.

And you want to suggest self-education? Really? Under such climate?

Easy as it sounds but really hard to be done yet not all does have the financial capability to do such thing.They dont have much money to invest and also doesnt have the idea on where they should put their money on.
Of course there are things that produce out passive income but we know that it do talks about big money and finding the best opportunity doesnt really fit oout everyone in talks of investment.
Who doesnt like to have a financial freedom? All of us but we dont have any choice but to deal with reality "NO WORK NO PAY" system and only a few does have the chance to be different.

Having a job can give you a stable income but can you become rich for being employed? No not unless if you're the ceo of the company. Its better to invest while working so you can maximize your income and can save for future. Now is the right timing to engage yourself in crypto because the price of coins are cheap. Just invest what you can afford to lose and not necessary to go all in because there are other investments that is profitable like gold and real state if you plan it well.

Loans are bad mostly, that's true. But what I meant was people who have some money, so that they can pay for their education without taking loans, should rather pay for education than investing in other things.


And this is where might end up someone who started investing in early age without any knowledge.


I can't agree more, mate. Of course, it would be the best option. Rich people and those who are in power(although they are the same peeps mostly) must realize that having educated people around is beneficial for them too.


Yep, YouTube is a good call for that, imo. Some scholars even say that YouTube is better in regards to gaining knowledge than most than most universities in the world, because the knowledge of old professors is outdated.

Today was a day when all of the investments took a big hit. It doesn't matter if it was stock markets, crypto currencies, real estate or anything else. In my nation there has been a lot of factory shut downs as well, do you know how many people that affects?

When you shut down a factory you are hurting the business owner, you are hurting the place he rents, you are hurting the workers, you are hurting market because no more products, you are hurting inflation because prices get higher for lack of products, you are hurting everyday guys finances for spending more than usual. As you can see just couple of factories closing affects more than 100k people right away. So, I assume these days will not be going too well on the project of retiring early and investing.

investment could lead one person to financial freedom. or at least one can rely on itself, but not on 3rd person which gave one a job and money to live on

relly on ? investing on crypto has never been reliable due to the unstable factor they have  .

 imagine if your out of job and only rely on your btc investment and one time the value drop hard and you also need money for emergency  . you think that will be enough for you  ? freedom maybe because you are your own boss but enjoyment will not be fully feel if you are worrying about your up and down investment    especially if you dont have other job or extra income to depend on  .

I think not easy for quit from working after investing with bitcoin and altcoin, before you earn much money and profit with bitcoin or altcoin investment never quit from your work and try to invest with cryptocurrency during your work in your office, after you get enough money for your family its time for quit from job.

Many region are getting quarantine as a result of Corona chan, and lecturers are resorting to online teaching, and student are resorting to study online, I hope it’s not precedent to the future of educations, I can have many reason to mock online teaching, so education based on youtube? So the Like button and subscribe is the meritocracy system? So student study based on who got the most likes buttons? Really? When the social site are prone to abused, I smell an accident that bound to happens, btw one shouldn’t easily settle for an education system that’s susceptible to fraudulent practices, I think people are pushing all the jobs to someone else to save the day, they don’t care whether it’s effective, they just one somebody to pick up this obligations that nobody want.

This option is valid for people living in countries with high living standards and salaries. But what can you say about such countries as Russia (and the entire CIS as a whole), India, etc., where people live from paycheck to paycheck and who do not have the possibility of savings for investment? It’s clear that if you study this industry, you can live without working, but what about the risks of losing all your investments?

Investing in the early stages of your life is a great plan towards financial freedom and having to work throughout your entire life. however, don't also forget to register with a good insurance company so that when any unforseen circumstances come your way you can have some form of financial support from them.

Nowadays, we do not know how long our lives will be on earth because there are many accidents that happened every day, every hour, every minute, and every second. That's why investing at an early age is a brilliant idea of all things that we do, because when we start investing our future will surely secured and if the struggles comes in life are come you are ready to face it because we have enough money to recover again or to used it for essential purposes. Investing makes our futures secure because we don't need to borrow money to others.

Yes, you are right that people are working like machine to save him and also family but if anybody go for investment there are pre-massive work have to do by him.

He must have to good investing money for investment.
He must have to gather knowledge about investment.
He has to mentally strength to tackle crisis moment.
Must have to patience in mind for better days of market.

I think investing is very critical and without proper knowledge it should not be.

This is what we called the Rat Race, I learned that name from the books of Robert Kiyosaki. If we want to have an early retirement then it is better if we will invest in our early stage. There are now many powerful investment vehicle that we can choose in order to grow our money but we should always be sure that we know what we are doing because investing is not easy, it requires a lot of knowledge and skills in order to protect our money and manage to grow it.

I have a day job but I have now different investments, I have a goal which is to retire at early age and I know I can do it because I keep improving my cash flows. I have now different investments in diffent industries like the stock market, forex and of course cryptocurrencies. I manage to trade some of it where I earn money. Let's focus on improving our cashflow.

Check it yourself, and then tell what you think. Go to YouTube, search "theory of evolution", for example. Although most liked, or most viewed, videos on this subject are not necessarily the best ones, you will surely find very good educational videos in the top 20. And this is also true for other subjects, not only for the "theory of evolution".

Many people treat "fake internet points" with suspicion, and in many cases they have reasons for that, but from my experience the most liked and most viewed vids are usually the most relevant ones.

Back to our topic. Do you really think that to start investing is a good idea for an uneducated person?

As you still beginner and get profit without in daily day never try this suggestion because bad for your financial, you can imagine when bitcoin and altcoin down like this where you get profit although with trading and you must lost your money, but when you still working you can get source income when bitcoin stop giving profit for you.

Precisely, apart from the fact that the market just wouldn't tip its scales towards investors and your lack of knowledge basically in investing will be your downfall. You can't just impulsively invest hoping it would get you out of your classic nine to five work. There has to be some combination with the two because you will inevitably lose money in this industry. If you have never invested your whole life, I suggest get some basic or even advanced knowledge if you can and then formulate your strategy. That way you can play the cards by your own will.

There are many types of investments and I think there are many people who do it. Everyone, of course, thinks about their future and wants to live an old day with a life of sufficiency. The investment form is numerous and one of them is investing cryptocurrencies. Many people are interested in investing in crypto but they are afraid because the price of fast cryptocurrencies is changing rapidly. I really appreciate your efforts to think of the future. We were young and it was time for us to work hard by investing.

In my most humble opinion: Wikipedia = youtube

Investing should be broadly accept by all group of people. But it’s the mindset that holding people to question whether who/what/why/when should invest and who/what/why/when shouldn’t invest. People disdain to make mistakes and losing profit, it’s clearly demonstrates on more and more people rushing to safe havens and fixed income, when we stop making mistakes, we stop making innovation, we stop investing, we stop getting out of the basement, we stop basically thinking about getting out of comfort zone, stop thinking about quitting your paycheck job. I can’t think of which successful investors didn’t make a lot of lives costing mistakes, even genius Albert Einstein make thousands failed attempt to build a lightbulb.
Should uneducated fools invest? As soon as possible, making small mistakes and improve, it’s the basic rules of education, unless you’re too late to get out of the mistakes in your career.

because of that, don't put all of your assets into any type of investment you want. use only 30 to 40% of the assets you have. Yeah, but if you don't have a job, it doesn't mean you don't have income. honestly, you are right, that those who have assets that are right for themselves, you should avoid any type of investment first, because we know that investing is really risky.

If one is planning to retire early, try to invest in a risky asset but has a good potential like bitcoin.

If people were able to invest starting in 2015 in crypto, they should be retired by now because the bull run last 2017 will already made them successful with their goal. The crypto market is very risky but we can't deny a lot of people already made a fortune here, so it's not too late, who knows 10 years from now bitcoin will already be worth $500K or more, as long as you believe, you'll never doubt its future.

investing doesn't look as easy as it sounds.
You don't just put money down and hope its value will increase in the next few years.
if you invest in the wrong place then your money will not produce but decrease or run out.
that is why there are people whose job is to help people in choosing a good investment tool for now, determine the plan and time period of your investment.so it's not just about collecting money and putting it in a company or commodity.

You call it rat race, I call it life trap, they’re about the same, in order to invest successfully one should understand how to make people fall into life trap, this way you can have a lot of control on your ROI, you don’t really need a lot of knowledges about investing, what you really need is security on your investment, the same goes for south sea company, you need to make sure the shipment safety and avoid getting ambush by the sea pirate.

Yes, Wikipedia is a good source of information, but sometimes you need a teacher to learn something, and YouTube has plenty of them. You just need to choose what suits you personally.


First of, it's never too late, because there is no such thing as fixed lifespan. For some people life only begins in their 60s, while for others it ends in their 20s. And if you are saying that trial-and-error approach is good for investing, I beg to differ with you. There are many fields where this approach works good, but investing is not one of them. You are very likely to lose most of your money before you learn something this way. So, by "it's never too late" in the beginning of my post, I meant it's never too late to start studying, because this is what can really make your life better, and not only psychologically, but money-wise too.

I’m baffled at Wikipedia, don’t get me wrong I use Wikipedia too but it can’t never be a reliable source of reference in any of your case study/theory paperwork, you can try I dare you.

“It is never too late...”, that sound inspiring enough until you stumble upon crowd of users who salty about not afford to quit their daily paycheck job. They can’t quit their job because they’re... too late I supposed? Too late to make adjustment, their life is wobbling and at the verge of total collapse, the paycheck is the only strength that keep it afloat, and you tell them to quit and put their life at stake? Yep that’s suck when you’re too late  and you wouldn’t know what to do except working endlessly, you know who are them? I got to know a middle aged civil servant, who work day and night, and he sleeps at internetcafe-cum-capsule-hostel. He has no way of getting out of this cycle of poverty, because whatever money he made immediately get garnished to pay for child support. And the debt grow faster than his paycheck, so he can never get out of the life cycle, paying for his ex-wife for her lavish lifestyle and for HER kids that HE never allowed to see or keep contact.

Start investing only with bitcoin for getting much profit because right now is not good moment for altcoin and look down although bitcoin break with higher price, we got few minutes ago when bitcoin break more than 8% but altcoin never allowed to higher price.

I don't hate this advice, but you give only half the information, like telling the way but not giving directions.
I'm sure everyone also wants to invest in giving passive money every day/month/year. but most of us don't understand how to invest and what places are suitable for beginners like us.

Note: Bitcoin investment is not suitable for beginners, everyone knows that bitcoin is volatile and out of control. Maybe how can we understand about investment according to expertise or at least understanding the information we have? is the best way to start.

You'd like other people to do all the work for you so that you can drink champagne and eat caviar?
There's a reason why not all of us can be rich and that reason is people's stupidity and laziness. A smart person will accept the advice and try to use it. A dumb person will get discouraged because there's some small obstacle on the way and then complain they're still poor.

You want to know how to invest in cryptocurrency?
Step 1: buy bitcoin
Step 2: put in cold storage and forget about it for another 2 years.

I think investing would not make me stop my job or my career, investing is really good thing to do, so we all should do this thing because we can make money from it, just know the basics of investing, know the different cryptocurrency and always observe and analyze the market, but for me I can still do it while I am working so I don't need to stop my work because I can do both at the same time.

That's why I think that YouTube is better than wiki in regard to education.


Well, that's what he's telling you, but it isn't necessarily the truth. But we can go far out of topic this way. :)

If you think that for this particular guy, investing in something else than education is better, I'm not going to argue with you. You know him better than I do. But in general, I insist that uneducated person can hardly make a right decision about investing.

I think everybody wants to retire early, just enjoy their life and/or their remaining days. Most us, when we got 60 years old or more, we easily get sick and of course we do not want to regret that we did not do things that we want to do or did not even travel. But of course we need money when we retire or else we die for hunger. Investment. Correct. At the very early age like 21 up to 30 years old, we must think of the future and investment is one of the answer. But of course there is risk especially in crypto. Me I try to invest in good coins like ETH and BTC. Also, try to get some insurance wherein your  health is secured plus you also have investments.

Thinking about quitting from a stable job with an acceptable pay rate is really a tough decision to be made especially when you don't have enough capital to start. Yes, I have a stable job but my salary is not really at high and I would like to find other income resources. But it has to think also that investing crypto isn't really safe, though some people say that they are profiting and really promising.

I believe some find it good and I want to take that chances also but I have to secure first my funds and must have enough capital to start so anything that will happen with my investment journey, I'm not of disgrace.

There's nothing wrong with your statement because I also believe in that. However, it's not always applicable for all the people specially those people from third world country. What they are earning isn't enough to provide their needs thus they can't save money for the investment that gives passives income which you're saying. On the other hand, there is always a way and if you're can find that way then you should create your own. I still believe that each of one of us can be successful no matter what stand we have in this life; we just have to make our own path to make it happen.

But still there are ways in order for them to make investment, they are afraid to invest their money because they do not like risk. They are afraid to lose what they lose, even if they are from the third world country; there are ways to improve the quality of their lives if they will work smart. I'm from the third world country and before I'm part of the lowest socio economic class which is the poor and I managed to overcome it through investing. For those who want to quit their job it is really better if they will now start investing and start taking risks.

Investing at an early age will surely save you from unforeseen situations like that of COVID 19. Just imagine having to back from active work and you have no other investment to make you a good amount of money to take care of your family. How are you going to take care of the daily family needs? I have started saving some money towards the future and I am doing this basically for my kids just in case I depart earlier from this world.

Investment is a good start and good choice in life, it will make your money moving. If one is planning make sure to know the basics and understand the pros and cons of this. Also consider when you quit job where will you get regular income for daily expenses because investment took years or months to grow.

Also true, indeed passive income is a big help but do not settle to it because it is not a stable source of money and yes sometimes can be also unpredictable where they will stop from giving you income. For me, it's very tough to quit job for unpredictable investment, no one knows what will be the result of it, it could be good or bad. Maybe just invest on bitcoin but don't quit your job. Either way it is your choice.  

Maybe you are pointing about Bitcoin investing since this is the safest currency to entrust our money?

But it’s not just that easy because we are working hard for our money and putting here specially to the people who knows nothing about crypto.
But for me?i am investing not to retire earlier but for my family’s future because other than anything they are my priority.

So yeah lets invest for future even what is our target the important thing is starting earlier before the market grows high that we cannot afford to purchase.

I suggest you should never leave your regular job, especially if you are new in cryptocurrency because it is not easy that your income in crypto is not enough to support your daily needs and pay all of your needs. It is much better if you stay in your regular job while investing in cryptocurrency for you to have a better income and huge savings.

I'm not sure this is the right decision. I believe that bitcoin requires constant attention. For example, you bought bitcoin for 19 thousand dollars in 2017. And then after a while, when you needed money and you decided to sell it, bitcoin became worth 5 thousand. This requires at least a little knowledge of the trader.

You had to be retarded to buy Bitcoin for 19 thousand. That's true even when it hurts to be called that way.

When an asset starts going up exponentially wvery week you know there's something wrong with it just like you know something is wrong when it goes down 50% in a day.

From 1000 to 5000 it was an organic growth with pullbacks and then it went exponential. You could try to raid it from 10k with a finger on the sell button but never buy to hold from that moment. Holding is a great strategy but you can't buy at the peak of the bubble. Even if you bought at 10 thousand the 2019 bull run would allow you to profit. To profit after buying at 19 you'll probably have to wait for another 1 or 2 years.

Indeed, keeping and working with both together is not really a tough job for anyone who wants to earn money. In this world, money is very important and so we should be assured that everything will be fine. In fact, if we can manage our time in handling both of them I don't think it is a need to sacrifice our job and lost that opportunity. Because we can't deny how hard to acquire a job at this time and much hard to get on the top. We know the risk here and it is better to have a reliable source that could help us in everything that may happen in crypto especially during the bear season.

ok, it looks like point 2 looks very promising. it's just that the risk of this is when we forget the cold storage we have in the long run. however, it's the same as saving gold and forgetting it. when you remember it will be extraordinary. Well, even though I said it was promising, in fact, I still hold ethereum to this day

In this age of internet, the foundation of making friend with someone else has changed, you make friend globally not locally, you go to Facebook you meet someone, who may not have a real avatar picture of their own selfie, who may not have a real description of themselves, may not have a real name of themselve, but you are eager to click the “add as friend” button, to say that I know my friend better than anyone else, it’s over statement, to me I merely know more than you by having the knowledge that he is some anon internet user that I came across, you meet satoshi and being friend with satoshi are you sure you know more than me about what is satoshi other than just a “name” that appear on your screen, but you say you can believe what he say is true, because it’s what he say, and it’s the foundation of trust, btw it’s not about out of topic or anything, we welcome anyone opinions, leave no questions unchallenged.

Probably someone mentioned this but yes, it is easier to be said than to be done.
Investment is not an easy thing, this requires a lot of knowledge and must put a lot of time and effort upon it otherwise all the money you've invested will all be in vain. I like the idea of having a stable income at early age the fact that you can able to enjoy your life much longer compared on working on the rest of your life.

Thank you for your honesty. Well, in that case, I think we shouldn't trust his words, should we? I don't know about you, but I usually take such sob stories with a big grain of salt.

Back to the topic, though. You say in the title "Start investing so you can quit your job and retire early". But do you know of any successful investors who quit early? I bet most of them keep doing their job until very old age. And that's where the education issue pops up again. Even if you were so lucky so that you earned big money with investing, being uneducated, you would most likely lose it in years to come.

If you are Keen in discovering the right business or investment that will bring good outcomes then you'll be able to succeed in your journey towards having a comfortable life ahead. Getting into investment that will produce passive and long lasting outcome is not easy but if you are a goal oriented person everything will be possible in achieving positively.

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It is April 2020, You know how I made money at this age where everybody is jobless during quarantine lockdown, I see many beggars wandering the street, they have no money for the baby milk powders, stray cat and stray dog has nothing to eat since many Chinese restaurants getting lockdown indefinitely, and no food carcasses left for the poor animals to eat, they wandering the streets too to look for foods, I worked on anime and gaming sectors, it is always one of the industry that's highly regards as a job for the drop out, the outcast, the human rejects, and being labelled as the lowest social working classes,

You go to tell your aunt: "I'm a gamer, I play game for life! I'm obsessed with anime girls!" What do you expect your aunts to judge you based on your profession?

That's correct I work on the opposite direction of the spectrum that most people work on, everybody rush to go to school, get good grade, dreaming to work for blue chip company for the paycheck and pension benefit, save money and get married, buy houses and you're set for life. Yet I work on the completely opposite of what most people do, I work for the virtual world yet they work for the real world, there's a big market to be tapped in the virtual world than what's left on the real world, the real world has been exhausted of the natural resources and we're just left with so little money to be made in real world, with all the bills and laws passed to make it even harder for you to make money on the remaining resources left on the real world, you're looking at losing endeavor to work further on real world. We see gamers who make millions just playing the simple Dota2 matches for the tournament, do you see the same on real world? We see people making millions working for anime girls games, do you see that in real world? Don't you see more and more girls are rushing to work for gamer girls streaming because they've see the big market in the industry? And even girls can feel that coming I just don't believe boys are too stubborn to not aware of that, or you can try to be pretentious for the rest of life, the world is changing, virtual world are more rewarding than the real world, and this virtual market only existed since the beginning of Internet age, it's since 1980, we are seeing a market that's merely exist for less than 40 years and have plenty of room of demand to be fulfilled, people willing to toss money on the anime products all over the world, you're working for the global market, I can simply learn some basic programming and build a simple and poorly made games, and sell it to unsuspecting buyers all over the world, mainly sell it to U.S. and China market which has high population of basement dwellers, geeks, nerds, and  weaboos,

And you ask me, how to invest during this climax where everybody see corona virus, depression, stock market collapsing, crude oil price plummeting, toilet paper getting sold out, vr set hoarded, mask, tacos, glove, frozen foods, hand sanitizer, getting re-sell on the online market place for flipped prices, what're you going to invest under such climax?

All these bold informations are important for you to prepping for time like this, of course what's the thing that I would invest, it would be the one that is existed in virtual world, that would be nothing to do with real world, I would invest in gaming, I would invest in anime, I would invest in virtual money, anything that's is virtual and don't existed for more than 40 years of human history, and I'm investing for the long terms in virtual world, the real world is old and the virtual world is new and obscure, you can be assure you're not making mistake to invest long term in virtual world, the virtual world market is very small, the real world market is amounting $200 trillions market value, I believe the virtual market has less than $1 trillions market value, and it include all the gaming, anime, virtual money, weaboos collectible, computer smartphone mining rigs and everything that do not existed for more than 40 years in human history in total.

Passive income is the best way to go to leave the rat race of working in office and factory, but we need to educate ourselves on the kind of investment that we want to get in, and only invest what you can afford to lose because, in reality, there's really no such thing as a safe investment, you are guaranteed to get a salary but in investment, there are some risks that you have to deal with.

For those who worked in office, I am sure that like me you also want to retire early then just enjoy your life with your loved ones. But how about the money? We need money. Yes I already think about of investing in crypto as well as in stocks so that I will be prepared. Well, it is not that easy. It is risky. Up to now, I am pursuing myself to continue to save money

Indeed, we are pursuing a dream of early success, having enough money to settle in the future without continuing to work, arranging an early retirement based on early investments but the plan that we calculate often never goes so well when not everyone who comes to invest has talent and luck, the case of things going smoothly and achieving success is very few while the others are stretching their journey after the failures in investing. Perhaps we should pursue our dreams according to our abilities, do not let the dream of genius affect our path

I am working full-time since 2006. During this time, I managed to build a good portfolio and I was planning to buy a new house in 2022. But the ongoing COVID 19 outbreak has disrupted my plans. 50% of my portfolio is made up of cryptocurrency and till now it is down by 40%. Another 30% of the portfolio is made up of equities and mutual funds, and I am in deep red here as well. I am feeling depressed right now. It seems like the world has ended for me. My dreams are all shattered and I don't have any hope for the future.

investing without knowledge and experience is suicide...
many people lose because they are too confident and do not want to learn about what steps he should take when jumping into a business for the first time. find your fixed-income source first before actually trying another business..

Before investing always build the foundation needed, just like at times like this we're our investment may all be in paper loss. We need to have enough emergency fund and savings in hand or readily available that will not effect what ever crisis or circumstances happening in our world. Investing at right foundation is what we needed before we invest.

I meet too many people tell me there is no free lunch in this world, they think everything is has its price, they think the thing as delusional as bitcoin is not free lunch, they think bitcoin has a price, their mindset of thinking everything in a walled garden is the reason they can’t see the world does have a safe investment, the world does have risk free investment, the world does has people who quit their job and retire in their 20s, the world does have people who work in front of their PC and made billions, the world does have satoshi who create bitcoin, the world does have professionally gamers who make a living playing game.

I prefer to combine office work and working with cryptocurrency. Moreover, the nature of my work allows me to combine them at the same time. In this way, I will retain the right to receive social benefits and at the same time I will be able to receive additional income from previously made investments.

But there is no guarantee that you will gain money during your retirement or after few years because investing is danger way because you can lose money , yes it is good for your money because it can help it to grow. But it can also cause losing your money. Having a job is very important and once you start investing you need to save money also to the banks to secure your future.

We can see many salty people on this thread, and I decide not to entertain them, because they can’t see the big picture and willing to living on denial as long as possible, welfare dog are everywhere and you will get bites trying to pull them out of the comfort zone, but Corona virus would eventually kick their lazy ass badly.

For now, I think it's the right to do. If we're not ready yet for full time in crypto, its better for us to be in the comfort zone we had today. I probably wanna used my skill in real life situation before turning to the crypto but it will still depend on the upcoming outcomes. In this world, we should be different in our own paths. Its means that we should create our paths for the sake of our own futures.
Investment at the early age will be definitely help us. Investment always had a risk, but its up to us whether we grab that one time opportunity which define our futures.

Quit my job and retire early to do what I want to do in life. What I want to do in life? First thing I want to do in life is escape from this shithole country called land of freedom, second I would travel to Japan, why Japan? Because there is bunch of hot Japanese girls begging to get laid for free! (Compare to America girls who would save their virginity until they became wizards, also America whores won't appreciate you for spending cash on them, they wouldn't enjoy banging you, they bang you for the money only, when you hurt their feeling they can conveniently call you a rapist and you need to prove your innocent in the court, if you loss the accusation, you get slapped with heavy alimony, also a jail term is warranted, your career are ruined for life for being rapist. American whores are too expensive they ain't worth my time to waste my life on them. Many horror story of how American men get screwed, Jeff Bezos? Robin Williams? Elon Musk?)

Yes! Travel to bang the young girls around the globe, most notably, they're giving laid for free and they're gonna enjoy your companionship, they would thank you for giving good time to them, and they're not gonna burn a hole on your wallet unlike the western counterpart, why would you even thinking about banging them? Jeff Bezos paid 400 billions dollar in alimony for banging whore, is it worth it to pay $400 billions for a hot old virgin? Or would you rather spend the $400 billions on yourselves and get the best out of that money by banging endless supply of young girls around the globe? I won't possibly have $400 billions in my entire life, but with passive income as little as a few thousands dollars, I'm I can do what I want to do in my life. Instead of wasting my youth working for this endless debt cycle and getting old day by day and contribute to the political and economical output for this land of freedom, I would regret I didn't get out of this madness earlier, my body will get old, and my sex drive would plummet, my face would get old by a few years, my hair would turn white by a few years, my legs and my arms would get weaker by a few years for losing calcium, all for what? I sacrifice so much of my youth for paying down the endless debt cycle that's not my responsibility, but the boomer generation who are the one should pay the debt! Is it fair for me to getting old and getting sexless and getting bullied and getting running and hiding in basement? And force to get to school to learn something useless and get to university and ended up with a lot of student loans, and force to work my entire life to pay down the loan, but the fucking banks who get bailout for fucking up trillions dollar worth of investors and pension money? The fucking bankers? Who is that fucking bankers who get bailout by losing trillions dollar worth of money? The Goldman Sachs? The JPMorgan Chase? The Citigroup? The Glass-Steagall Act? The Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP)?

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You know what? I think you are right. We are living more and more in the virtual world currently, and it means that online businesses are going to thrive, while the real world ones are going to shrink. However, not every online business can be profitable, and you should be very careful with your investments in that field, because a lot of scammers are already exploiting the concept of the apparent profitability of virtual businesses.

But if you personally are making money with it, I'm glad for you, and I can only say, good job, mate!

This is a good idea. There was couple of ideas in my mind how i could get rich but in the end only my mind was rich, obviously in imagination. Pasive incomes are great but there is a need for education, perhaps could anyone mention couple of books that could be helpful in understanding vesting?

With my understanding of the space and taking profit, you might plan to quit your job but never plan to retire outright. Country system may not be the same but having a less active life because u have all u need wont put the drive and worth to life, time and daily living. After preparing for ones financial future with profits from crypto then invest in your passion. This passion should be better prepare and researched now while waiting for bullrun, then put a long spread of fund and time to develop it. It will also be the distraction in the next bear market while bitcoin commitment is passive.

Yes, I made my passive income from internet, I remember it clearly how I put up my products to sell on internet, a lot of rejections, a lot of scammers calls, a lot of challenges, by the time the market is very bad, jobs market is dead and I didn’t go to get a job, that’s 2010, I don’t believe anybody would believe me, they need to feel it first hand to know that, words can’t describe what an experience anyone have went through.

Read my quote carefully, I think you get the answer, but decide to live on denial.

Govt are turning you into economical and political output, they make you to die for the country, America force it's youth to kill innocent kids on Iraq, they think they fight for the America freedom, in fact they fight for protecting the greedy America business from collapsing.

have a passive income / pension is the dream of every hard worker, they sell labor and time, to make ends meet,
There are many ways to get passive income.
start investing must have a strong mentality to deal with the risks that get.

They must educate themselves first on what market do they want to get in, educate themselves on the benefits and the risk of investing so they will be safe along the way, remember only invest what you can afford to lose and choose the right projects to invest, and always look for long term.

I accept as true with you it's good to take a position but before investing we'd like to understand about the investment and learn Not every one is retired from employment after an extended time. But if he wants to take a position he must have the will. If not he will suffer the loss of investment that's why in my mind they need to find out to take a position from now on and develop an investing mindset so there'll be no problem later.

You know what satoshi did to become billionaire? Just writing software and replying thread on the forum, no bullshit, a total nerd in disguise and voila a billionaire, the only change satoshi did is quit the job.

The purpose of my life is to immediately retire from working in the real world, and get income from investing in cryptocurrency.
But maybe it can be realized in a few years, now it's still in the process of collecting bitcoin. Because the number of bitcoins are
I have still very little, so the results of the profits obtained from investments are not sufficient for the cost of daily living.

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