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Title: Little interesting bugs of this forum (visible to me)
Post by: ChuckBuck on March 08, 2020, 04:01:04 PM
I found a small display bug in my trust, I don't know if you can see it. It was quite interesting  :D
As you can see in my profile (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=207430): https://i.imgur.com/AIaEDrN.png
I started to detect this bug ever since I used BPIP to view my profile there, and there is a big difference here:
https://i.imgur.com/ZGqCK7j.png
LoyceV trust list viewer for me is Light Green with 1 positive trust, but in my profile, it's zerooooooooooooo  :D
I thought that BPIP data was wrong for some reason. But when I looked closer, it was not due to BPIP, it was due to Bitcointalk  ;D
I have checked my list of trusted feedback here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=207430;page=trusted&dt
I have 2 trusted feedbacks, 1 neutral and 1 positive
https://i.imgur.com/479G9uo.png
And in my profile:
https://i.imgur.com/MaKrWp6.png

It is an unbelievable difference LOL  ;D ;D How did that happen? Honestly, it doesn't matter if that positive trust is credible or not, but it's an bug shown here, an interesting bug that I've never heard of anyone making. I want to hear from you about it, or any of your understandings.
I like the light green status on my profile, but unfortunately it's an bug LOL  ;D ;D
https://i.imgur.com/ctadbiY.gif


Notice:This is to say about the bug I see, I don't want you to comment on the trust that I own  ;)


Title: Re: Little interesting bugs of this forum (visible to me)
Post by: AB de Royse777 on March 08, 2020, 04:08:22 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=207430;dt
This is showing the trusts for default setting.

And the only neutral you are seeing is because of your personal trust setting. Not sure if I got you by the way.


Title: Re: Little interesting bugs of this forum (visible to me)
Post by: GazetaBitcoin on March 08, 2020, 04:19:56 PM
It's not a bug. That "=1" means you have a neutral feedback from a DT member. And indeed you have - it is the one from nutildah.

The positive feedback isn't shown as green as it wasn't given by someone from DT.

What you see on your profile is not the same with what other see at your profile, depending on the trust list everyone created. On BPIP is taken into consideration the Default Trust list. But if you (or others) have a custom trust list, you'll see a different score.

With other words: if you would have ~distrusted nutildah (just as an example), you wouldn't see his / her neutral feedback reflected as "=1". But on BPIP you'll see the neutral there, as BPIP is based on DT. Or: users who don't have distrusted nutildah and also who didn't create a custom trust list (having set only the Default Trust), would see also that "=1". But you would see something different.

That is if I understood correctly the problem.


Title: Re: Little interesting bugs of this forum (visible to me)
Post by: ChuckBuck on March 08, 2020, 04:34:18 PM
And the only neutral you are seeing is because of your personal trust setting. Not sure if I got you by the way.
I think you're right at this point, except that snarlpill's feedback isn't credible even if my trust setting is default trust  :D I just established my personal trust a month ago, which means that I was working with the default setting before, I never had +1 positive trust before (quite ashamed) :D

skip
I understand what you mean, just as explained above, I understand the basics of trust systems on this forum  ;) The only difference is that my default trust seems to be changed since I started making the settings  :D


Title: Re: Little interesting bugs of this forum (visible to me)
Post by: suchmoon on March 08, 2020, 04:35:29 PM
snarlpill is in DefaultTrust (level 2) due to being included by TECSHARE. You don't include TECSHARE in your custom trust list so the positive trust rating you got from snarlpill is not shown as "trusted" to you but it is "trusted" to those who use DT, including BPIP and LoyceV's trust viewer.

Not a bug, works as designed.

I think you're right at this point, except that snarlpill's feedback isn't credible even if my trust setting is default trust  :D I just established my personal trust a month ago, which means that I was working with the default setting before, I never had +1 positive trust before (quite ashamed) :D

TECSHARE was not in DT1 in January and February so at that time snarlpill was not in DT2 either.


Title: Re: Little interesting bugs of this forum (visible to me)
Post by: ChuckBuck on March 08, 2020, 04:39:47 PM
snarlpill is in DefaultTrust (level 2) due to being included by TECSHARE. You don't include TECSHARE in your custom trust list so the positive trust rating you got from snarlpill is not shown as "trusted" to you but it is "trusted" to those who use DT, including BPIP and LoyceV's trust viewer.

Not a bug, works as designed.
Does that mean snarlpill has been on the trusted list from last week? I check BPIP regularly and positive beliefs have only been there since last week. Weeks further than before, the LoyceV trust list viewer for me is neutral, not light green  :D

EDIT:
I think you're right at this point, except that snarlpill's feedback isn't credible even if my trust setting is default trust  :D I just established my personal trust a month ago, which means that I was working with the default setting before, I never had +1 positive trust before (quite ashamed) :D

TECSHARE was not in DT1 in January and February so at that time snarlpill was not in DT2 either.
Well, so a chain effect happens here, while I'm not trusting TECSHARE because of some of his recent statements, so I can't see the positive trust from snarlpill. Thanks for your great explanation!


Title: Re: Little interesting bugs of this forum (visible to me)
Post by: suchmoon on March 08, 2020, 04:48:34 PM
Does that mean snarlpill has been on the trusted list from last week?

Yes, TECSHARE got into DT1 on March 1st so that's when snarlpill's trust rating started showing as "trusted" with DefaultTrust settings.


Title: Re: Little interesting bugs of this forum (visible to me)
Post by: ChuckBuck on March 09, 2020, 02:01:23 AM
Does that mean snarlpill has been on the trusted list from last week?

Yes, TECSHARE got into DT1 on March 1st so that's when snarlpill's trust rating started showing as "trusted" with DefaultTrust settings.
I don't know why he can return to DT1 after fallen  ::) Objectively, it is a good thing for my trust display, but subjectively, I will still keep my current trusted setup  :D because it does not affect the default trust

Well, it seems like I need to dig a little deeper into trust in this forum. Anyway, thanks for your excellent explanation and others, this topic ends now


Title: Re: Little interesting bugs of this forum (visible to me)
Post by: AB de Royse777 on March 09, 2020, 02:24:16 AM

Well you really should not tell such things in public. You can have different opinion but saying such things in public seems very disrespectful toward an old-timer like tecshare.

Sorry about the off topic.


Title: Re: Little interesting bugs of this forum (visible to me)
Post by: ChuckBuck on March 09, 2020, 02:32:57 AM
Well you really should not tell such things in public. You can have different opinion but saying such things in public seems very disrespectful toward an old-timer like tecshare.

Sorry about the off topic.
I have always respected long-term users on this forum, except that means I will consider his decisions instead of believing it.
Well, to show respect, maybe I should edit my comment above, but that's in case you didn't quote my post LOL  ;D ;D You have captured it all by quoted, so I should not edit anything  ;D ;D
Topic off again  ;) Edited


Title: Re: Little interesting bugs of this forum (visible to me)
Post by: AB de Royse777 on March 09, 2020, 02:35:37 AM
I removed the quote. Feel free to edit or make something that will show some respects.

Cheers


Title: Re: Little interesting bugs of this forum (visible to me)
Post by: DireWolfM14 on March 09, 2020, 09:46:37 PM
I don't know why he can return to DT1 after fallen

DT1 members are rotated on a monthly basis.  Theymos posted the most recent list of DT1 members here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5117330.msg53944515#msg53944515

Tecshare has enough member votes to be included on DT1.  However, other DT1 members can exclude him and that will drop him from the DT1 pool.   Prior to this month he had more DT1 member excluding him than he had including him.  As of today his inclusions and exclusions are the same, so his DT1 score is 0.  As long as it's equal to, or greater than 0 he will remain on DT1.


Title: Re: Little interesting bugs of this forum (visible to me)
Post by: ChuckBuck on March 10, 2020, 12:47:35 AM
I don't know why he can return to DT1 after fallen

DT1 members are rotated on a monthly basis.  Theymos posted the most recent list of DT1 members here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5117330.msg53944515#msg53944515

Tecshare has enough member votes to be included on DT1.  However, other DT1 members can exclude him and that will drop him from the DT1 pool.   Prior to this month he had more DT1 member excluding him than he had including him.  As of today his inclusions and exclusions are the same, so his DT1 score is 0.  As long as it's equal to, or greater than 0 he will remain on DT1.
Although the topic was off, but you had another great explanation for me, it helped me to better understand the trust system, so thank you very much. I think I should lock this topic right now instead of announcing it off  :D I don't want some guys to repeat what you guys have explained to increase the post  :D