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Title: Trump vs Germany in a bid to acquire vaccines for US only. Post by: Juggy777 on March 16, 2020, 01:34:16 PM As we all know there’s no vaccines available yet that can sweep in and safe they day from COVID-19, but apparently many news outlets are reporting that Trump approached biopharmaceutical company CureVac, and tried to seal an exclusive deal that would allow them to make covid-19 vaccines only for US. Further this news has horribly pissed off Germany where this company is producing the vaccines, and German leaders have made it absolutely clear that they’re producing vaccines for the entire world and not just one country. What do you’ll think of this, did Trump actually try to pull this off despite it being declared a pandemic or it’s the work of fake news brigade?.
Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/not-for-sale-anger-in-germany-at-report-trump-seeking-exclusive-coronavirus-vaccine-deal https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51839944 Title: Re: Trump vs Germany in a bid to acquire vaccines for US only. Post by: KingScorpio on March 16, 2020, 07:32:56 PM As we all know there’s no vaccines available yet that can sweep in and safe they day from COVID-19, but apparently many news outlets are reporting that Trump approached biopharmaceutical company CureVac, and tried to seal an exclusive deal that would allow them to make covid-19 vaccines only for US. Further this news has horribly pissed off Germany where this company is producing the vaccines, and German leaders have made it absolutely clear that they’re producing vaccines for the entire world and not just one country. What do you’ll think of this, did Trump actually try to pull this off despite it being declared a pandemic or it’s the work of fake news brigade?. Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/not-for-sale-anger-in-germany-at-report-trump-seeking-exclusive-coronavirus-vaccine-deal https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51839944 the EU should interefere an prevent the americans from corrupting the market. Europe has invested into the education of its population. so it can earn the fruits of the labour. the company is 100% not even run by germans only. Title: Re: Trump vs Germany in a bid to acquire vaccines for US only. Post by: desertfox470 on March 16, 2020, 09:04:31 PM Is it just me or is it a wake-up call that vaccines take time to produce? To me, it's a wake-up call that many vaccines need a testing phase, and this could be unacceptable if the disease was bad enough. I'm not saying we should get rid of testing phases, but I'm saying that it's a scary thought if it was something bad.
Title: Re: Trump vs Germany in a bid to acquire vaccines for US only. Post by: 1miau on March 16, 2020, 11:26:01 PM What do you’ll think of this, did Trump actually try to pull this off despite it being declared a pandemic or it’s the work of fake news brigade?. Yeah, it's true, you are right. His attempt sounds like a joke but it's true, he really tried to engage in corruption again. It was a big topic in most major German news, and of course, also the German government said his corruption is unacceptable. But the German company denied to sell it to the US only, if it's ready (it's still in an early stage of development) it will be available to all countries. ;) https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/corona-impfstoff-deutschland-usa-101.html https://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesellschaft/gesundheit/coronavirus/corona-impfstoff-curevac-investor-hopp-wehrt-sich-gegen-trump-16680445.html Title: Re: Trump vs Germany in a bid to acquire vaccines for US only. Post by: bullrun2024bro on March 16, 2020, 11:46:27 PM Dietmar Hopp, a german billionaire is holding more than 80% of the CureVac shares. He made crystal clear, that he won't sell the firm to the US. He also made clear that a vaccine should be produced for everyone, not only for one country. There are rumours that the US Government offered 1 billion dollar for CureVac. In addition to that the German government was super pissed and announced: "Germany is not for sale". All newspapers and TV stations reported on the topic today.
Source 1: https://www.manager-magazin.de/unternehmen/artikel/curevac-donald-trump-lockt-tuebinge-impfstoff-firma-und-forscher-in-usa-a-1305445.html Source 2: https://boerse.ard.de/aktien/dietmar-hopp-der-unbestechliche100.html In my opinion it looks like a pretty desperate attempt to create some positive news. He wants to disguise that he completely underestimated the problem of Covid-19 and reacted far too late. A week ago, the corona virus was still a delusion of the Democrats, but Trump now is realizing that his actions were too little and too late. He desperatly needs to deliver something. Not for the American people but rather for his re-election... Sad times, to be honest. Title: Re: Trump vs Germany in a bid to acquire vaccines for US only. Post by: squatz1 on March 16, 2020, 11:49:33 PM What do you’ll think of this, did Trump actually try to pull this off despite it being declared a pandemic or it’s the work of fake news brigade?. Yeah, it's true, you are right. His attempt sounds like a joke but it's true, he really tried to engage in corruption again. It was a big topic in most major German news, and of course, also the German government said his corruption is unacceptable. But the German company denied to sell it to the US only, if it's ready (it's still in an early stage of development) it will be available to all countries. ;) https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/corona-impfstoff-deutschland-usa-101.html https://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesellschaft/gesundheit/coronavirus/corona-impfstoff-curevac-investor-hopp-wehrt-sich-gegen-trump-16680445.html I don't know if I would call this corruption, and I doubt he did it in a malicious manner. I think Trump was doing this to ensure that the US would have enough vaccines for their own people -- that's the gist of this. Germany (and the rest of the EU nations) aren't that populous compared to the US -- so the US would require a much larger amount of vaccines. Trump is looking out for his nation, and that's the plan here. I doubt he walked into the meeting and said hey -- I want you to make vaccines for this infectious virus that is plaguing the world, and let the other nations die while you only produce for me. He probably said -- hey I need a large amount of vaccines, and the company said well if you need that amount for your people we'd be unable to make it for other countries. That's the gist here in my mind, Trump isn't a monster here. Just caring about the people who elected him and thats it. Title: Re: Trump vs Germany in a bid to acquire vaccines for US only. Post by: Twinkledoe on March 16, 2020, 11:53:14 PM Is it just me or is it a wake-up call that vaccines take time to produce? To me, it's a wake-up call that many vaccines need a testing phase, and this could be unacceptable if the disease was bad enough. I'm not saying we should get rid of testing phases, but I'm saying that it's a scary thought if it was something bad. Vaccines really do take time to validate their effectivity. We can't get rid of the testing phase. That's why there are volunteers that wanted to be subjected in this test, with varying doses. So they know which particular dose will be potent in fighting this virus. In talking about Trump's move on this. I don't believe that he will want the vaccine for his constituents only. That's very selfish. I think he was taken out of context again. Title: Re: Trump vs Germany in a bid to acquire vaccines for US only. Post by: bullrun2024bro on March 17, 2020, 12:01:27 AM I don't know if I would call this corruption, and I doubt he did it in a malicious manner. I think Trump was doing this to ensure that the US would have enough vaccines for their own people -- that's the gist of this. Germany (and the rest of the EU nations) aren't that populous compared to the US -- so the US would require a much larger amount of vaccines. No idea, what you are talking about here, but unfortunately this is completely wrong. The EU has about 512 million inhabitants (Switzerland, Norway etc. no even counted). And the US has about 327 million inhabitants. Title: Re: Trump vs Germany in a bid to acquire vaccines for US only. Post by: squatz1 on March 17, 2020, 12:09:27 AM I don't know if I would call this corruption, and I doubt he did it in a malicious manner. I think Trump was doing this to ensure that the US would have enough vaccines for their own people -- that's the gist of this. Germany (and the rest of the EU nations) aren't that populous compared to the US -- so the US would require a much larger amount of vaccines. No idea, what you are talking about here, but unfortunately this is completely wrong. The EU has about 512 million inhabitants (Switzerland, Norway etc. no even counted). And the US has about 327 million inhabitants. I didn't mean collectively, I was comparing each individual EU nation against the US. Think of Germany (83M) vs the US (330m) in terms of population. That's what I meant here, no more no less. Title: Re: Trump vs Germany in a bid to acquire vaccines for US only. Post by: bullrun2024bro on March 17, 2020, 12:34:19 AM I don't know if I would call this corruption, and I doubt he did it in a malicious manner. I think Trump was doing this to ensure that the US would have enough vaccines for their own people -- that's the gist of this. Germany (and the rest of the EU nations) aren't that populous compared to the US -- so the US would require a much larger amount of vaccines. No idea, what you are talking about here, but unfortunately this is completely wrong. The EU has about 512 million inhabitants (Switzerland, Norway etc. no even counted). And the US has about 327 million inhabitants. I didn't mean collectively, I was comparing each individual EU nation against the US. Think of Germany (83M) vs the US (330m) in terms of population. That's what I meant here, no more no less. But what's the point of dividing the member states of the EU in seperate parts? If CureVac would find a vaccine, obviously every citizen in the EU would get a vaccination. Doesn't that mean that the demand for vaccines is even bigger in the EU than it is in the US? Nevertheless I understand Trumps point. He tried to make a deal for his own people - fair enough. However, what I criticize is his behaviour. It is not only morally reprehensible, but also outrageous towards the European partners. The EU and the US should work together, combine their knowledge and find a vaccine for all people. Not only for the person who pays the most $$. I am proud that Dietmar Hopp showed backbone today and put Trump in his place. Title: Re: Trump vs Germany in a bid to acquire vaccines for US only. Post by: KingScorpio on March 17, 2020, 01:05:45 AM I don't know if I would call this corruption, and I doubt he did it in a malicious manner. I think Trump was doing this to ensure that the US would have enough vaccines for their own people -- that's the gist of this. Germany (and the rest of the EU nations) aren't that populous compared to the US -- so the US would require a much larger amount of vaccines. No idea, what you are talking about here, but unfortunately this is completely wrong. The EU has about 512 million inhabitants (Switzerland, Norway etc. no even counted). And the US has about 327 million inhabitants. I didn't mean collectively, I was comparing each individual EU nation against the US. Think of Germany (83M) vs the US (330m) in terms of population. That's what I meant here, no more no less. But what's the point of dividing the member states of the EU in seperate parts? If CureVac would find a vaccine, obviously every citizen in the EU would get a vaccination. Doesn't that mean that the demand for vaccines is even bigger in the EU than it is in the US? Nevertheless I understand Trumps point. He tried to make a deal for his own people - fair enough. However, what I criticize is his behaviour. It is not only morally reprehensible, but also outrageous towards the European partners. The EU and the US should work together, combine their knowledge and find a vaccine for all people. Not only for the person who pays the most $$. I am proud that Dietmar Hopp showed backbone today and put Trump in his place. vaccination is completely pointless corona is a blessing it puts burden aways from the economy by mainly targeting older people, the big problem or also blessing is that european nationalist capitalists expose their corruption, western european nations print euros like retards in order to make themselves look good while eastern europeans safe money and are providing the labour. after corona there will be a bloodbath among western european corrupt burgoise. Title: Re: Trump vs Germany in a bid to acquire vaccines for US only. Post by: squatz1 on March 17, 2020, 04:14:13 AM I don't know if I would call this corruption, and I doubt he did it in a malicious manner. I think Trump was doing this to ensure that the US would have enough vaccines for their own people -- that's the gist of this. Germany (and the rest of the EU nations) aren't that populous compared to the US -- so the US would require a much larger amount of vaccines. No idea, what you are talking about here, but unfortunately this is completely wrong. The EU has about 512 million inhabitants (Switzerland, Norway etc. no even counted). And the US has about 327 million inhabitants. I didn't mean collectively, I was comparing each individual EU nation against the US. Think of Germany (83M) vs the US (330m) in terms of population. That's what I meant here, no more no less. But what's the point of dividing the member states of the EU in seperate parts? If CureVac would find a vaccine, obviously every citizen in the EU would get a vaccination. Doesn't that mean that the demand for vaccines is even bigger in the EU than it is in the US? Nevertheless I understand Trumps point. He tried to make a deal for his own people - fair enough. However, what I criticize is his behaviour. It is not only morally reprehensible, but also outrageous towards the European partners. The EU and the US should work together, combine their knowledge and find a vaccine for all people. Not only for the person who pays the most $$. I am proud that Dietmar Hopp showed backbone today and put Trump in his place. I mean at the end of the day this isn't about money, or about something like that. It's about trying to save the most people for their own particular county. I highly doubt that CureVac came into the room and said I can make enough vaccines for all countries in the world, and then BIG BAD ORANGE MAN SAID NO ONLY FOR ME. It probably went along the lines of -- I can make this amount of vaccines, and Trump said he wants them all for his own people. Wouldn't that make the most sense to you? Title: Re: Trump vs Germany in a bid to acquire vaccines for US only. Post by: Spendulus on March 18, 2020, 10:34:04 PM ... It probably went along the lines of -- I can make this amount of vaccines, and Trump said he wants them all for his own people. Wouldn't that make the most sense to you? What makes sense to me is that the owner of that company listens to the offers on the table, and does whatever he wants based on his own ethical standards. Most money, most public good, whatever. There's no possible way a prospective BUYER can be said to be morally unhinged. Title: Re: Trump vs Germany in a bid to acquire vaccines for US only. Post by: desertfox470 on March 19, 2020, 12:26:09 AM I don't know if I would call this corruption, and I doubt he did it in a malicious manner. I think Trump was doing this to ensure that the US would have enough vaccines for their own people -- that's the gist of this. Germany (and the rest of the EU nations) aren't that populous compared to the US -- so the US would require a much larger amount of vaccines. No idea, what you are talking about here, but unfortunately this is completely wrong. The EU has about 512 million inhabitants (Switzerland, Norway etc. no even counted). And the US has about 327 million inhabitants. I didn't mean collectively, I was comparing each individual EU nation against the US. Think of Germany (83M) vs the US (330m) in terms of population. That's what I meant here, no more no less. But what's the point of dividing the member states of the EU in seperate parts? If CureVac would find a vaccine, obviously every citizen in the EU would get a vaccination. Doesn't that mean that the demand for vaccines is even bigger in the EU than it is in the US? Nevertheless I understand Trumps point. He tried to make a deal for his own people - fair enough. However, what I criticize is his behaviour. It is not only morally reprehensible, but also outrageous towards the European partners. The EU and the US should work together, combine their knowledge and find a vaccine for all people. Not only for the person who pays the most $$. I am proud that Dietmar Hopp showed backbone today and put Trump in his place. I mean at the end of the day this isn't about money, or about something like that. It's about trying to save the most people for their own particular county. I highly doubt that CureVac came into the room and said I can make enough vaccines for all countries in the world, and then BIG BAD ORANGE MAN SAID NO ONLY FOR ME. It probably went along the lines of -- I can make this amount of vaccines, and Trump said he wants them all for his own people. Wouldn't that make the most sense to you? Title: Re: Trump vs Germany in a bid to acquire vaccines for US only. Post by: smyslov on March 19, 2020, 12:33:13 AM I've only seen this kind of scenarios in movies, but we all Trump's policy of America first, he wants America before first before the whole world and glad that Germany did not budge in, but if US is the one holding the vaccine only Americans and their ally can use that vaccine, of course it's only a speculation but knowing Trump, who knows.
Title: Re: Trump vs Germany in a bid to acquire vaccines for US only. Post by: dx5 on March 19, 2020, 01:57:43 AM This sounds like an extreme example of fake news.
Title: Re: Trump vs Germany in a bid to acquire vaccines for US only. Post by: squatz1 on March 19, 2020, 05:58:59 AM Honestly, this just seems all speculation with no proof and highly subjective. It is just as easy to say that Trump planned on buying it so that he could distribute it around the world. Both claims have no proof. I'm sure trump planned on wanting it for US citizens, but we can't argue that it's a certain argument. Oh yeah 100%. I'm just saying the way that I believe all of this went down, and the writer of the article has a wholee other store. Neither one of us have any sort of info on what actually happened here. We're literally all just shooting the shit about what we think (based on our opinion of the people). This isn't being expanded upon though in the media, so I doubt we're ever going to be able to find out what was actually true. Title: Re: Trump vs Germany in a bid to acquire vaccines for US only. Post by: tvbcof on March 19, 2020, 07:40:04 AM Dietmar Hopp, a german billionaire is holding more than 80% of the CureVac shares. He made crystal clear, that he won't sell the firm to the US. He also made clear that a vaccine should be produced for everyone, not only for one country. There are rumours that the US Government offered 1 billion dollar for CureVac. In addition to that the German government was super pissed and announced: "Germany is not for sale". All newspapers and TV stations reported on the topic today. ... He might come around. Does Herr Hopp own any race horses (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC1_tdnZq1A)? Title: Re: Trump vs Germany in a bid to acquire vaccines for US only. Post by: desertfox470 on March 20, 2020, 11:49:37 PM Honestly, this just seems all speculation with no proof and highly subjective. It is just as easy to say that Trump planned on buying it so that he could distribute it around the world. Both claims have no proof. I'm sure trump planned on wanting it for US citizens, but we can't argue that it's a certain argument. Oh yeah 100%. I'm just saying the way that I believe all of this went down, and the writer of the article has a wholee other store. Neither one of us have any sort of info on what actually happened here. We're literally all just shooting the shit about what we think (based on our opinion of the people). This isn't being expanded upon though in the media, so I doubt we're ever going to be able to find out what was actually true. Title: Re: Trump vs Germany in a bid to acquire vaccines for US only. Post by: TECSHARE on March 21, 2020, 12:03:41 PM "Germany seizes medical supplies headed to Switzerland as Europe scrounges for resources to fight coronavirus"
https://www.rt.com/news/483582-germany--switzerland-medical-supplies-coronavirus/ Title: Corona Coincidence? Post by: BADecker on March 21, 2020, 04:51:10 PM Maybe government is behind Coronavirus. CV is to their benefit.
Corona Coincidence? (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/279141-2020-03-21-corona-coincidence.htm) It's all too convenient. Two weeks ago, Orange Man seemed and probably was electorally invincible. Nothing his NPC opponents tried worked. The Orange Man ridiculed them, publicly, in his Orange Man way – leaving them bug-eyed with exasperation. One is reminded of people in the '30s who could only refer to FDR as that man in between gasps of hate. The "climate crisis" wasn't selling, chiefly on account of lack of evidence, the lack made up for by an abundance of emotional rhetoric. Its purveyors had been reduced to desperation tactics such as shoving an emotionally damaged teenaged girl on stage whom they figured (correctly) few would openly criticize because she is a damaged teenage girl. But refraining from openly challenging a challenged little girl is not the same as believing what she says. There there, sweetheart; it'll all be okay. The EV thing – which was tied to the climate thing – was about to topple like a Jenga tower due to the end of federal subsidies that had accounted for almost all EV "sales" so far – and because of the supply of inexpensive gas, something else the Orange Man caused to be. ... The virus solves all these problems. The hysteria about the virus, that is. People are more panicked now than they were on September 12, 2011 – and more receptive to police state measures after 20 years, almost, of submission training. 8) |