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Title: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: ololajulo on March 23, 2020, 01:11:21 PM
It has what is needed in world for now and its not emergency option that needs quick adoption, It has been here for over 10 years, safe, reliable, improved and available to everyone and everywhere. Has all the features of money and looks like the provision the government is not looking at right away because of pride.

1. durabile
2. portable
3. fungible
4.  scarce
5. divisible
6. recognizable

So what is the world waiting for?


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: Timelord2067 on March 23, 2020, 01:16:35 PM
Your case doesn't really have any punch to it - you should be suggesting that it is a contactless form of payment and is a quick and cheep alternative to electronic payment systems that can charge 1%- 5% (or higher) of the purchase price added on as a transaction fee by the bank where as bitcoin has little or no fee.

The Lightning Network pushed that transaction fee even lower still to fractions of one cent on every day transactions as well as colossally high value transactions as well.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: ololajulo on March 23, 2020, 01:26:45 PM
Your case doesn't really have any punch to it - you should be suggesting that it is a contactless form of payment and is a quick and cheep alternative to electronic payment systems that can charge 1%- 5% (or higher) of the purchase price added on as a transaction fee by the bank where as bitcoin has little or no fee.

The Lightning Network pushed that transaction fee even lower still to fractions of one cent on every day transactions as well as colossally high value transactions as well.
Your opinion is still an improved case of bitcoin to new users for adoption. Most importantly I think bitcoin is more ready than in past 10 years for the world.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: Lucius on March 23, 2020, 01:38:04 PM
So what is the world waiting for?

The two keywords "now" and "world", should give you a very clear answer. You need to understand that the world is currently in one of its biggest crises, despite what some say is harmless flu and everything is overstated. Panic is a dangerous thing, and it spreads at the speed of light.

Considering the above situation, with the fact that Bitcoin is still too complicated for most people, and that cannot be changed overnight - why do you expect some flip to happen now, that people will leave fiat and start using BTC? Now people need cash for basic needs, many will lose their jobs and all together makes this time very unfavorable to invest. The fact that BTC dropped in value some 50% in one moment don't help either.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: airtman on March 23, 2020, 01:43:36 PM
Why bitcoin shouldn't perform now is because of its decentralized nature.., so many people wouldn't trust bitcoin, if they is nobody to complain to about their money, it is fungible in what sense exactly, how can it be replaced if lost? or can anyother goods be used to replace btc in terms of trading. The world is in a verge of curious and anxious people that would believe bitcoin, with enough satisfaction that they is a bitcoin bank or headoffice where they can go and talk to a manager about a huge sum of money they want to send to a business mate, family, or friend. So for now as it is an E-currency we should be focused on how we wouldn't loose it entirely and continue trading online while the marketers offline make use of their fiat.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: jseverson on March 23, 2020, 01:54:40 PM
The biggest factor, in my opinion, is user experience. This is also one point where Bitcoin's decentralization works against it; there's no given jump-off point. Newbies have to pick among a massive number of exchanges/wallets, a lot of which are out there trying to steal their money. While the choice is incredibly trivial if you put time into it, there will be lots of people who would rather not bother, and thus dipping their toes will always be a daunting prospect to them.

People would rather pay for convenience, as evidenced by piracy dropping thanks to Netflix and Spotify. Bitcoin is easy to use at the end of the day, but it's still easier for the average joe to simply use fiat, swipe their cards, and/or let Paypal handle everything for their purchases, so it makes sense for them to gravitate towards that direction. Wallets are always improving though, so this is probably just a matter of time.

Anyway, it's not like strides haven't been made in the world's acceptance. Talking heads never really call Bitcoin a bubble anymore, which is crazy because that's all you really hear from critics two years ago. Who knows where we'll be in another two years.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: coupable on March 23, 2020, 02:30:42 PM
Anyway, it's not like strides haven't been made in the world's acceptance. Talking heads never really call Bitcoin a bubble anymore, which is crazy because that's all you really hear from critics two years ago. Who knows where we'll be in another two years.
Maybe less than two years. The image of our existence is changing at the speed of the spread of the virus.
In addition to what Lucius said above, bitcoin would perform soon after we win the fight against the virus. We are sure about that physical money exchange between persons can be at top list factors that help spread the virus. It also transmit a lot of other bacterias.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: alexsandria on March 23, 2020, 02:42:04 PM
You doesn't need a 10 years of experience in cryptocurrency or bitcoin just to assure a knowledge about it. Always remember that bitcoin itself will teach you the basic platforms of the cryptocurrency, but always think about the consequences of having and entering to the cryptocurrency world so that you will not be able to blame yourself once you have gained the losses that you may have.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: forbesmining on March 23, 2020, 02:44:11 PM
Bitcoin is in full order and even now the price is still the most stable than any investment.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: CarnagexD on March 23, 2020, 02:46:04 PM
You doesn't need a 10 years of experience in cryptocurrency or bitcoin just to assure a knowledge about it. Always remember that bitcoin itself will teach you the basic platforms of the cryptocurrency, but always think about the consequences of having and entering to the cryptocurrency world so that you will not be able to blame yourself once you have gained the losses that you may have.


The market price of the bitcoin today immediately fall because of the outbreak happens and many people getting panic because of the hoarding happens and also they need a lot of supplies because some of the places have a lockdown on their cities and countries also there is a factor of the halving too it is coming nearly and we are looking for the bitcoin to give a good market income again still it is in the resting pace and having a stable market for a while is a good thing and waiting to recover and give back to normal price.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: mk4 on March 23, 2020, 03:07:42 PM
Because the world doesn't know that they need Bitcoin. Once the masses realizes how important it is, we would already be on the moon. Be patient and just accumulate.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: Mulann2 on March 23, 2020, 03:22:43 PM
Even before the crises people are very slow with btc adoption, even though compare to other currency btc is still relatively new, but 10years is a good time for a meaningful acceptance from people but for some reason the bad publicity and constant rejection by governments of different countries has hinder the speed of acceptance, although, lets not forget that btc is highly volatile, this point can not be over emphasis, this can be another major set back for btc.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: coolcoinz on March 23, 2020, 03:32:52 PM
I'll give you a few reasons.

-Traders tried to leverage stocks and got fucked by a long decline. They did not expect this crash to be so big. Some people say it's the biggest since the 2009 financial crisis.
In other words a lot of people got cut catching a falling knife.
-Bitcoin is doing what gold and silver are doing, just much faster because it's much easier to sell and the market lacks real volume and depth.
-There's definitely some panic among the common people who tried to sell their investments to get cash but governments begun to advise people to stop using cash, which made folks even more confused, so now they don't know what to do with the cash they have. They cannot bring it to the bank because banks got shut down like everything else.

At the moment people begun to buy some of their investments back and thus you can see a nice bounce on stocks, gold and Bitcoin.  



Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: Peanutswar on March 23, 2020, 03:42:31 PM
I'll give you a few reasons.

-Traders tried to leverage stocks and got fucked by a long decline. They did not expect this crash to be so big. Some people say it's the biggest since the 2009 financial crisis.
In other words a lot of people got cut catching a falling knife.
-Bitcoin is doing what gold and silver are doing, just much faster because it's much easier to sell and the market lacks real volume and depth.
-There's definitely some panic among the common people who tried to sell their investments to get cash but governments begun to advise people to stop using cash, which made folks even more confused, so now they don't know what to do with the cash they have. They cannot bring it to the bank because banks got shut down like everything else.

At the moment people begun to buy some of their investments back and thus you can see a nice bounce on stocks, gold and Bitcoin.  



Today the market price of the Bitcoin already recover but because of the declined on the market it can't bring back and becomes profitable again if this will happen for a long week this may affect the whole stock market again but if the virus will not spreading and gone today there is a chance that the market price of the bitcoin recover and pump rapidly again.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: amishmanish on March 23, 2020, 04:58:19 PM
You cannot say that bitcoin is not performing. Its a much better recognized investment. The development still continues but one of the main reasons is also that there has been a dearth of use-cases. Micropayments on Lightning network and development of services and application using LN as a payment system should have been going on full swing.
LN still has some way to go before it starts being used widely and actively to buy coffee or for payments. The other developments like Schnorr Signatures, Taproot etc are more bent towards industrial use-cases. There is still work that remains to be done. It does look like this pandemic will change perspectives a lot. The next wave of fiat influx will also result in another rethinking among the general public regarding the comparison between Fiat and BTC.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: Ryker1 on March 23, 2020, 05:20:29 PM
Well, you mean to say now? Perhaps not now because people really need cash for the survival of lockdown because of a pandemic.
Bitcoin was already performing and gain mass adoption, the fact it is already in the mainstream. But as I say due to this economic crisis people need cash right at this moment. Some investors pull out their investment, besides, Bitcoin showing improvement of price few days ago and have resistance.

Indeed, when it comes to transactions. Lightning Network was there that can transact even micropayment at a lower fee. But as of now, only few merchants start using it.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: mahilchii on March 23, 2020, 05:33:08 PM
If stocks drop it doesn't mean Bitcoin has to pump, if gold rises it doesn't mean BTC will go up everyday. BTC recorded a strong start in January this year unfortunately now the market has gone down, BTC is purely driven by demand that's why it remains steady when other markets are struggling. BTCs good days are yet to come just have patience only then you will get used to it ;)


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: BrewMaster on March 23, 2020, 05:47:44 PM
bitcoin has been around for 11+ years and it is being adopted every day. but the problem you are looking for concerns the price, from what i gather. and that problem stems from the fact that the exchanges are still not big enough to prevent manipulation. and with all these margin traders, futures markets,... it becomes super profitable to manipulate the price like the recent drop and make a ton of money from that panic sell.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: fudster on March 23, 2020, 05:50:31 PM
BTC still is new to test for a country to have it use as money. Give it some time when credit cards allow BTC on it, we may be seeing the spikes of the price.

As of now BTC is performing. You can see Redcross is now using BTC for donations, we don't see that years ago. This Covid crisis will teach us all a lesson the online transactions needs to be faster and cryptocurrency is best to be used.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: philipma1957 on March 23, 2020, 06:55:57 PM
 Bitcoin is doing fine against all metals and markets other than gold.

As a miner I am going to get a 15% boost in 2 days when difficulty adjusts.

When that happens it will become a clear 2nd best in holding value.

Basically at the moment markets and metals are down 30-40%   gold is down 10%  since feb  20-24

btc is down 32%  once the diff adjusts by 15% for miners Btc will be looking good.

my 2ph will be like 2.3 ph over night.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: posi on March 23, 2020, 06:56:37 PM
Your case doesn't really have any punch to it - you should be suggesting that it is a contactless form of payment and is a quick and cheep alternative to electronic payment systems that can charge 1%- 5% (or higher) of the purchase price added on as a transaction fee by the bank where as bitcoin has little or no fee.

The Lightning Network pushed that transaction fee even lower still to fractions of one cent on every day transactions as well as colossally high value transactions as well.
Your opinion is still an improved case of bitcoin to new users for adoption. Most importantly I think bitcoin is more ready than in past 10 years for the world.
Bitcoin is indeed more ready than the previous but you must not forget that some platform are yet to support the lightning despite the gravity of the  accomplishment achieved by the project.
With that been said, the potentials of bitcoin is not enough to make bitcoin perform in some circumstance that the government stance still play a huge role and also in the current pandemic bitcoin shouldn't be expected to perform well despite the upcoming halving.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: dothebeats on March 23, 2020, 07:14:35 PM
You can't expect the world to adapt a currency in an instant without having to know the how's and the basics about bitcoin. While true to some extent that it has all the capacity to help the world in the crisis that we are currently experiencing, I don't think a lot of people know how it actually works, and would therefore be afraid to use it today. Add to the fact that there aren't enough merchants in the market ready to accept bitcoin as is, so that adds somehow to the equation as to why bitcoin isn't really performing really well when it fact, it should since it offers a lot of things in the table.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: anoufal on April 15, 2020, 09:22:29 AM
Bitcoin already works, but apparently not the way you want it.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: rodskee on April 15, 2020, 09:35:32 AM
Because it is nnot the right time,there are crisis world has facing now with hard emotions ,the Coming halving is still not yet to come and economy worldwide is still dropping so who can we expect to invest more?
just let it be and no rush mate because things will come when the right time comes and also we are use to this for many times so expect this every now and then.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: Shasha80 on April 15, 2020, 09:53:42 AM
Actually the reason for bitcoin is not immediately performing, because most people do not really know bitcoin. Moreover, many politicians
who give misinformation about bitcoin, so some people think negatively about bitcoin. Therefore it is the duty of all of us who understand
about bitcoin promoting bitcoin, so that all citizens of the world know about bitcoin. I'm sure if more and more people support bitcoin, the
government will definitely legalize bitcoin too.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: maydna on April 15, 2020, 10:15:55 AM
Perhaps, bitcoin still need more time to be used as the payment system globally. We should wait for more because the adoption process still not grow fast, but bitcoin will still have the chance to get that. Besides that, the government approval will help bitcoin to grow, but that will not as easy as we think, especially the world now has a serious problem, and they still work to help other people. At least, right now, many people already know about bitcoin, although we cannot know how many people who already use bitcoin.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: carlisle1 on April 15, 2020, 11:07:34 AM
Bitcoin already works, but apparently not the way you want it.
But that is what Bitcoin must,it is on what we are looking but what Market is heading and the technology behind this.
this is the problem if the sole reason why people investing and entering this market is Money,because the essence of the objective of Satoshi creating this is for the Future and not for today and just tomorrow.

There are so many things to consider why we are here,and why must we here and not just the Profit that may occur sooner but what will this that may change the world forever.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: Ridwan Fauzi on April 15, 2020, 01:01:24 PM
A country is managed by a government which I think theg will make or accept something that has a benefit for them. I bet, they will ignore everything if they didn't get anything or they can't be able to manipulate as they wish.

Have you look bitcoin is something like that? You can't make everything especially for your greedy in bitcoin. I said this because I see it in my country. They just making something that will be benifited for himslef and for their party.



Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: Artemis3 on April 15, 2020, 01:25:09 PM
Because the world doesn't know that they need Bitcoin. Once the masses realizes how important it is, we would already be on the moon. Be patient and just accumulate.

That or when people learn about the dangers of fiat (printing) money, and the vaport money that doesn't exist anywhere but comprises 90%+ of fiat, thanks to fractional reserve banking.

Bitcoin has indeed remained stable in the middle of an economic world collapse, that should tell them something at this point...

The fact that USA is printing additional money right now to "bail" some people, should concern USD holders. If the USD crashes you will NOT have time to sell it. No one can do that to Bitcoin. No one can come and say: "gee, lets bailout that poor exchange that got its funds stolen by "creating" (printing) some more coins and them some". Can your altcoin say the same? Most don't.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: Dildo Shwaggins on April 15, 2020, 01:33:04 PM
So what is the world waiting for?

A job as most don't/won't have one.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: samcrypto on April 15, 2020, 01:37:35 PM
A big threats to the government and the banking industries maybe, and that’s why they are blocking the people from knowing the real usage of bitcoin and cryptocurrency. The world is so busy fighting the pandemic, the $ is facing a big challenge again so I think people can start learning bitcoin now while they have still time and while the price is still down. Don’t worry about the delays, we will hit a big market soon and in the future.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: Arkann on April 15, 2020, 05:40:50 PM
A big threats to the government and the banking industries maybe, and that’s why they are blocking the people from knowing the real usage of bitcoin and cryptocurrency. The world is so busy fighting the pandemic, the $ is facing a big challenge again so I think people can start learning bitcoin now while they have still time and while the price is still down. Don’t worry about the delays, we will hit a big market soon and in the future.
The fact is that in my opinion, many governments speak negatively about Bitcoin due to the fact that Bitcoin in any case will undermine the government's monopoly on printing new banknotes.  In addition, the anonymity of cryptocurrency is beneficial for many corrupt officials who hide their tax-free funds obtained by criminal means in cryptocurrency.  It is beneficial for them that Bitcoin be located on the Black Market, and not be legalized in the state.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: crustycrab666 on April 15, 2020, 08:41:11 PM
Most people are already in their comfort zone and feel no need for change. For hardline fans, it will be difficult to accept changes, so they tend to consider something new as a threat, even before it is tried. We should be more open, change is a good thing, cryptocurrency offers a lot of advantages, as mentioned TS, the decision is entirely in the hands of each, which is clear if you do not try this then you will lose a good opportunity.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: sunsilk on April 15, 2020, 11:14:17 PM
It's expected that many won't accept it as much as we want because we're here. I don't know what we will feel if we are part of them or we might feel the same as them because they don't want to submit themselves and be open about bitcoin.

They have no issues if their government doesn't stop from just holding or buying bitcoin. Those countries that doesn't have that strict ruling about bitcoin will look for an opportunity such as investments and they can consider it especially just after this pandemic.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: CaVO32 on April 15, 2020, 11:26:56 PM
It's expected that many won't accept it as much as we want because we're here. I don't know what we will feel if we are part of them or we might feel the same as them because they don't want to submit themselves and be open about bitcoin.

They have no issues if their government doesn't stop from just holding or buying bitcoin. Those countries that doesn't have that strict ruling about bitcoin will look for an opportunity such as investments and they can consider it especially just after this pandemic.

I think it is not that they don't want to submit themselves and be open about bitcoin, but maybe they are already contented with what they are used to like the fiat. There are really people that will not touch the advancement of technology even if you offered them at their doorstep. I think we just need to respect them on their preferences.

For those who are open to new payment methods, they will find that bitcoin or crypto has so many benefits, and they will be those kind of people that will endorse this to their friends, family or colleagues.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: Utoy101 on April 16, 2020, 12:53:41 AM
It has what is needed in world for now and its not emergency option that needs quick adoption, It has been here for over 10 years, safe, reliable, improved and available to everyone and everywhere. Has all the features of money and looks like the provision the government is not looking at right away because of pride.

1. durabile
2. portable
3. fungible
4.  scarce
5. divisible
6. recognizable

So what is the world waiting for?
I think security is what the outside world is waiting for, with the news always flying around of fortunes lost in this space, it will be hard for the space to see the mass adoption we've been craving for. With each passing day, we see more and exchanges got compromised making hackers and fraudlers doing away with million of cryptocurrency worth lots of fortunes.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: bitcoinst on April 16, 2020, 10:01:50 AM
The blame for the volatility of bitcoin. People can forgive and come to terms with long expectations of transaction confirmation, but they cannot watch their assets fall in value over several months.
People simply cannot afford such risks. Bitcoin is too speculative asset, and in order not to make a mistake, it makes sense to buy bitcoin only for the "extra" money that you have .


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: sunsilk on April 16, 2020, 10:09:49 AM
It's expected that many won't accept it as much as we want because we're here. I don't know what we will feel if we are part of them or we might feel the same as them because they don't want to submit themselves and be open about bitcoin.

They have no issues if their government doesn't stop them from just holding or buying bitcoin. Those countries that doesn't have that strict ruling about bitcoin will look for an opportunity such as investments and they can consider it especially just after this pandemic.

I think it is not that they don't want to submit themselves and be open about bitcoin, but maybe they are already contented with what they are used to like the fiat. There are really people that will not touch the advancement of technology even if you offered them at their doorstep. I think we just need to respect them on their preferences.

For those who are open to new payment methods, they will find that bitcoin or crypto has so many benefits, and they will be those kind of people that will endorse this to their friends, family or colleagues.
It's a good point. I've learned that there were people that are not willing to be open about risk-taking through investments and don't want to get involved with it because they're too contented of what they have.

I do respect them and sure others too.

Anytime they can change their minds if they start to become curious about bitcoin because it's getting already reported on the mainstream. I think that's a big factor that they can no longer ignore if they keep on seeing news and updates about it. Bitcoin might get attention again if the price surges unexpectedly.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: TIDOVEE on April 16, 2020, 10:32:48 AM
Which aspect of performance?
Is it to move faster and take up the world currency, or the delay at satisfying the present users.
Any moment of break " the period between a bull run and another bull run" the miners take good time to upgrade certain specifics on cryptocurrency just as the IEO came to replace ICO, The KYC came in, all the make it more acceptable. Each bull run time bull becomes more popular. And this must be prepared for.


Title: Re: Why should bitcoin not perform now?
Post by: lixer on April 16, 2020, 03:04:28 PM
Bitcoin is very good but is the government really ready to adopt it? Is it really what they are looking for?
The government is all about centralization and that doesn't fit in with what Bitcoin represents, which is freedom and decentralization.

So, I don't think any government can adopt it, the best they can do is give people the freedom to make use of Bitcoin or any payment method they decide to use, and then it's up to the people to choose what payment method is best for them in any situation. If the government decides to adopt cryptocurrency, what they will do is to create their own coins and not even adopt Bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency; all the countries can't be using the same currency.