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Merit sent back and forth by Vlad2Vlad (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=112208). Most likely his alts.

• Vlad2Vlad (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=112208) sent 50 merits to Apocalipsa (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2787299) for this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177500.msg54132540#msg54132540).
Apocalipsa sent 25 merits back to Vlad2Vlad for this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=317658.msg54120798#msg54120798).

• Vlad2Vlad (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=112208) sent 28 merits to Apocalypsis (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2541527): 12 merits post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3015517.msg49602861#msg49602861), 8 merits post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3015517.msg49607549#msg49607549), 7 merits post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5090427.msg49617094#msg49617094) and 1 merit post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2388064.msg49758608#msg49758608) = 28 in total (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Apocalypsis)
Apocalypsis sent 13 merits back to for this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=317658.msg3406178#msg3406178).

Noted the users name Apocalipsa and Apocalypsis?

• Vlad2Vlad (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=112208) sent 44 merits to MarketMagic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=318024)  and received 37 back from MarketMagic according to BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?id=318024)
Few posts from MarketMagic: 7 merits (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1883902.msg52305163#msg52305163)- one line post , 7 merits (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=317658.msg39595925#msg39595925) - for a 7 words post. 7 merits  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=317658.msg48861728#msg48861728) - for a greeting card, 3 merits (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6017.msg50617467#msg50617467) - for a bump.

• Vlad2Vlad (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=112208) sent 271 merits to hornetsnest (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=724243)  and received 32 from hornetsnest according to BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=hornetsnest)
Few posts from hornetsnest that Vlad2Vlad merited big: 21 merits (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=317658.msg54069112#msg54069112), 21 merits (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=317658.msg54040386#msg54040386), 14 merits (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=317658.msg53623555#msg53623555) - practically he made this user Sr. Member alone.
Of course, hornetsnest sent part of the merits back for posts like this: 10 merits (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3015517.msg53824181#msg53824181), 10 merits (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1883902.msg53622318#msg53622318).

• Vlad2Vlad (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=112208) sent 28 merits to schnötzel (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=220381) for this 4 posts: 7 merits (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=317658.msg53858371#msg53858371), 7 merits (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=317658.msg54002072#msg54002072), 7 merits (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=317658.msg54015067#msg54015067), 7 merits (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=317658.msg53981494#msg53981494).
schnötzel sent 49 merits to Vlad2Vlad for this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=317658.msg54084154#msg54084154).

Flag time? I'll watch until more evidence is presented and some consensus is formed.

Probably some sort of off-forum selling going on.
As it seems he ranks them up, and they send back half of it (as i understand, for every 2 metits you get 1 smerit)

If so, that is not allowed.  sMerit is not a commodity. 

I agree. Unfortunately fiverr.com has many merit sellers.
Anywhere from $10 per merit upwards

This might also be the latest one . Happened a few days ago in the romanian local section .
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177500.60

He gave 50 merits to a newbie with 4 posts for that single reply ,  found it odd , but assumed he was just overly generous cause the newbie supported his city.


Saw you were reffering to this in the op .   

Yes, this one caught my eyes from: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topreplies 2nd place.

Also the thread started by him is listed 4 times in top 21: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=317658.0 which is weird at least.

Note that user schnötzel (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=220381) is also suspect of being part of the same MAG (Merit Abuse Gang), I will add it to the OP. Added!

This is clear cut merit abuse. Probably a merit sale deal going on or Vlad2Vlad is trying to farm some accounts. He/she shamelessly thinks he/she can get away with it since merit abuse isn't moderated.

Please tell me you dropped an extra number there by mistake, do you mean $1 per merit? if it's really anywhere near $10 per merit then why

 

I highly doubt that hornetsnest would pay $2710 to get that 271 merit, so if this is anything, he is probably farming accounts and not actually selling merit, or he is not aware of how much they go for.  ;D


Since trading merit is against the forum rules, shouldn't the accused member/s be reported rather than tagged? I mean what stops them from trading merit even with an active flag and a dozen negative feedback?

No, i've seen it for $10 and upwards.
Not saying this is the case here, but fact is many people are desparate for merits and will gladly pay for just 1.

As you know, most bounties accept jr members or members minimum fir signature campaigns, so it's turning out to be a real shady off-forum business

I always thought that the reason some users sell merits for as much as $10/each is that some users just want a quick single merit to start bounty hunting and $10 isn't such a big amount. But when we start talking about ranking up to Sr, Hero or Legendary, it becomes impossible for anyone to consider spending that much.

Isn't merit trading only against the rules if you are a merit source? I mean, we all agree that it's not a good thing to do, but the consensus from the community that something is not ok is one thing and being officially not allowed is another thing.

Put your poll away, the humans are talking. Cats need some patience.
Interesting topic, looking forward to seeing how it develops.

That sounds reasonable.


To be honest, even after 2 years of being around, the "rules" are still confusing to me.

If you read the Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0) it has no rules regarding the trading of merit, however, there is another pinned topic  FAQ: Everything you need to know about forum 'activity, account ranks and merit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2766177.0)

It literally states:


Do I think that is a forum rule even though it's not in the rules' topic? YES. Am I 100% right about it? No clue.

No. Merit trading is an action that is first tagged. From what I know, I do not remember many cases of people getting banned for this. It is more in the sense of: If you are a merit source, and sell merits, then you will not be one much longer kind of rule.

I have followed Vlad's thread for years and will merit who I fucking please when I please.It's a free country numb nuts so if you don't like it then pack up your tent and fuck off to China,Iran,North Korea or Russia :-* :-*

If Vlad or anyone else gives me merit and I like a post of theirs I can give them as much merit as I want because my personal opinion of whats a quality post is my individual choice.

FUCKING COMMIES ...fuck yall commie freedom hating speech moderating biatches ;D

"There is nothing worse than a fucking commie"

~Ronald Reagan ...Best president ever....after trump :-* :-*

Sure buddy...

Edit : Checking hornetsnest posting history it's pretty obvious that he's another alt of Vlad , though it can't be proved with linked addresses etc , but seems like he has the same style of talking to himself like he's doing in the post lower with Vlad9Vlad.

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This one is quite funny though ,   he's talking to himself
https://i.postimg.cc/502BmmKJ/trolol.jpg



OP , please add : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=837994 to your list :).

Look at this cunt making false assumptions.Anyone who administers this site with backend access can easily see I am not Vlad with actual meta data ...you dumb cunt :-*

Sure buddy , but honestly just post from your main account , should be much easier.

Shove your meta data up your a hole , or Vlad's hole , should be relatively the same thing

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Interesting fact , seems that this hornetsnest , Vlad + Apocalipsa are frequently talking to one another in  such as : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.msg54155044#msg54155044
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=317658.msg53860609#msg53860609
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3015517.msg53823773#msg53823773

Im not your buddy you fucking halfwit.How about I start making assumptions about you all over the web and you become my pet project from now? Now fuck off and go about your business and that means leaving me out of it ;) ;)

Sure thing Vlad , I'll leave you to talking between your alt accounts.  ::)

Says the Romanian with the same nationality as Vlad who merited Vlad last on April 01, 2020, 12:39:28 AM and only commented on Vlads comment a few days back https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177500.msg54130595#msg54130595

Note to OP: AlexSimion is highly likely alt of Vlad

Yup that makes sense.

Here's the thing about Vlad:

He's been here for a long time, just kind of quietly does his own thing.

I don't think he's going to use his merits to sneak an alt into a sig campaign or for any more nefarious purpose. Even if he has one or more alts that he's merited, he doesn't really use them for anything other than to bolster his own ego.

Ergo, I don't think there's anything worth worrying about here. Even if his recently-merited followers are kind of dickheads.

That's insane.  I haven't been doing much reading on the forum for the past couple of weeks and thus haven't really noticed the level of garbage posting, but are there still a lot of bounties going on?  I thought a lot of them had died off--and I haven't seen a lot of merit-begging threads in quite some time, so I sorta figured the market for merits dried up.  Guess not.

That would be a bad use of the merit system in any case, though I don't think it would be tag-worthy.  Just my opinion, however.

It died down alot, sure, with merit introduction.
But people will be people, and always find a way around it. If you check any thread, you'll still see rainbow of signatures

Vlad2Vlad also sent 3 merit to PoolMinor just only reserved a post.
https://i.imgur.com/gCUgRLJ.jpg
Please help a newbie to receive just 1 merit who is capable.

Post link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=317658.msg54141139#msg54141139

Total merit sent from Vlad2Vlad to PoolMinor 36.
Total merit received from PoolMinor to Vlad2Vlad 12.

By the way, if this post is talking about Vlad2Vlad (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=112208) who once paid off a bet of 2000 USD in cash and later even joked about it. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1357759.msg14097647#msg14097647). Just read that thread and wail.

Fuck all these people looking to dig dirt on everyone and anyone..Let the man live. To me he seems to be of the old stock, the kind of people they don't make in the crypto-world or this forum anymore with all the rampant greed and petty merit/ money-chasing..Sad fucking thing.. >:(

I knew I remembered the username from a couple of places, that was one of them. Side note: He really needs to wipe off that ixcoin turd from his profile.

Isn't it looking like a "new merit cycler" being formed here?  ::)
I remember of a guy accused by me and many others, who, after being pointed out, started sending unsolicited PMs to many of us.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5187994.msg52570339#msg52570339
That's the thread, almost similar where he/she used to give merits to people at a single shot, but at that time, many people went against me and told me that its their merit and they can decide whom should they be giving their merits to. That's why I turned my way towards trying to get more people like him/her to highlight his/her deed.

Interesting to see any reaction and answer from mentioned and involved people.
It looks to me like obvious case of merit abuse.

Ooh such conspiratorial language. Are you going to tabulate all the other merit I have sent to others on this forum?
Here's a conspiracy for you "Date Registered:   September 18, 2017, 04:24:14 PM" First post: Feb 2020  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1159349 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1159349)
Perhaps you should keep your finger pointing to yourself.


The reserved post was tongue in cheek, Vlad got the joke and gave me merit. Case closed.

You must be fucking kidding me?

Are some people really paying that kind of money for merit?! I can't believe anyone it that stupid... But on the other side it mean's I'm a whole lot richer  ;D Should add that to some portfolio tracker hehe.

Yeah. I read more into his posts later and realized he lost it in the maze of alt-coins.. When the history of bitcoin is written, the collateral damage of ICO fever will probably have a chapter of its own. ::)

Lauda trades merit with atriz

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827620.0

They evetually removed stingers on bogus basis

Lauda talks about ixcoin but and has tried to wipe xcoin from his own scamming past

Tag and flag lauda would be better use of time.

You cant have double standards



Interesting post here i think for future use.

You missed some good ones.  Like 100 sent to Hal.  100 to bibleCoin (we cant be having religious people here), and you totally missed the 7’s.  Lots of 7’s, 14 = 7+7, lots of 21 merits = 7+7+7. 

He Even did several 33 rewards. 

Illuminati confirmed.  Hahaha. 

Buncha clowns! 

Did you fill out a complaint form with management?  Please make sure you do that and let’s keep an eye on this Vlad and his dangerous generosity.

Add this one too dude.  Only 2 merit donors out of 2 million+ bitcointalk accounts for the BiblePay thread.  One donated 1 merit point and this Vlad2Vlad character donated 100.  WHAT?  

This needs immediate investigating into any religious affiliations he may have too.  You may have just unearthed something much much bigger.  Keep digging...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2388064

Fantastic post.Those numbers add up beautifully....yes yes ,fellow travelers confirmed. Beautiful,fantastic,superb etc etc and so forth.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.zYJ3t5csvA-KXNxDgPwLWgAAAA%26pid%3DApi&f=1

OP, noob, I hope you’re on top of this insubordinate situation.  This blatant [abuse] could get serious.  Next thing you know planets may collide, WW3 might start or this market magic guy might buy a lambo with 777 merit points.  I know Vlad, he WILL find a way to match triple 777’s.  The guy has issues when he sets such impossible goals. 

Please get on this, ASAP. 

Thanks, bro...

So.. just because is a Legendary and old member, I must "let the man live", meaning abuse the merit system.

I got it... it seems that the rules don't have to be applied for "everyone and anyone".

Merit was not being "abused" here -- that's the mistake you are making.

Perhaps it was given away frivolously, but Vlad isn't a merit source, so who cares?

If you could find evidence of merit being sold, that would be a different story.

Thank you for filling out a complaint form with management. 

Correct, I’ve NEVER sold a single merit point.  And rarely have I given away just 1.  It’s the same when I give away coins, it’s usually very generous.  Say something original or funny and odds are you’ll get a big merit reward. 

I know, hard to believe. 

As far as I know, merit trading is not forbidden, but discouraged. Please see below a quote of LoyceV (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3377342.msg35406203#msg35406203)


And another quote of theymos (which, in my opinion, denies the rule mentioned by you).




I don't think so. If it was though, they should wear Foxpup's Merit Cycling Club avatar, which is not the case here :)

So swamping merits back and forth between his alts can not be tagged as "abuse". If so, I will change the name of the thread.

..and were being received back frivolously. Coincidence?


1. I am not a hater, but there are a lot of good posts all over the place that deserves to get merited. for example you gave 1 merit to this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=317658.msg53390446#msg53390446) which you found excellent and Apocalypsis gets 12 merits for 3 words question (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3015517.msg49602861#msg49602861). Why?

2. Let's say I believe you that you don't know Hornetsnest, and Market Magic. How about Apocalypsis and Apocalipsa? Are this your alts? Don't lie!

I wouldn’t lie but you just did.  That apocalypsis post had 6 words, and he’s so smart that he might be my equal.  If you can’t count to 6 how can you be trusted, noob?  Haha.

And only a communist would tell somewhere how and where to distribute his wealth.  Commie. 

What’s the goal here, ban me?  Oh noooooooooooo.  Hahaha. 

Clearly you don’t know me.  It makes no difference - I’m just here doing my best to do a particular job.  I am at a big net loss with crypto and especially with ixcoin.  I would have been at a much bigger advantage if I had just minded my own business and didn’t try to help anyone [and I knew this from the very beginning].  What you’re doing is the equivalent of threatening to take away my gold star off a quiz I had in 5th grade.  Hahaha - meaningless. 

Noob. 

U still angry, bro? 

Dude, you might be new here but we gotta get this Vlad guy.  He just gave MarketMagic 21 merits for, wait for it....a 3 word question.  It’s almost like he’s mocking you. 

And 21, get it?  He’s like totally going full Illuminati confirmed on you now, dude.   

People are being scammed for millions of real dollars daily in crypto, we need to focus on what’s important, we can’t have this kind of insubordinate behavior in crypto.  This merit Shekel swap stuff is unthinkable. 

Keep at it, I’m 100% behind you.   ;D

...still you didn't answered the question.

Dude, he answered and he’s right, you either can’t count or you’re a liar.  Don’t be a liar.  Better dumb than a liar, bro.  Stay real. 

Dude, you think a Legendary guy of my caliber would have sock accounts just to troll people or perhaps cause I see some imminent events coming and would need the proper avatar? 

Is that what you’re implying?  I mean, do I look like a guy with a plan?   ;D

I’m new here, but did you answer his question? 

And that’s more than 3 words so I’d like 21 merits, please.   ;D

Your account is 5 years old but you’re “new here” and you’ve only posted once? 

Is this becoming the Vlad sock coming out party thread?  Ha!

But wait, you don’t have those enriching free merits.  So confusing. 

How long should we discussed this thing?
Your thread has been reviewed by many DT Members here
Such as :
@asche
@Vod
@mikeywit
@TryNinja
@nutildah
@The Pharmacist
@dkbit98

And till now they are not tagging and create flag for user who you report

What's you can do if DT members thought it's not abuse?


Our username is close :D :D :D

.. a Legendary of your caliber .. :D

So, your Telegram group name: https://t.me/Apocalypsis777 is just a coincidence.

https://i.imgur.com/1QJCWrm.jpg

If a consensus has been reached, then I can close this thread.

Still, I'll leave it open another 48h for any other reply from Vlad2Vlad/ Apocalypsis/Apocalipsa or any other member of this community to express their opinions then it will be closed.

If the sender/receiver is not a merit source nobody will give a damn.

Dude, you’re a noob laughing at the caliber of a legendary?  So not cool.  We’re talking high velocity and massive impact.  ;D

Anyway, I checked out that telegram room
and I see only a few people.  Vlad2Vlad is in there as a mod and Apocalypsis as the owner.  Vlad has posted telegram rooms for DeVCoin too (and others coins), is he Unthinkingbit?  Meh. 

I saw... sad.

This seems so personal to you.  Did Vlad recently say something to you that got you all butthurt and your feelers hurt?  :(

You gonna fire Vlad, dude?  We’ll get him.  Haha.   

Hmmm, yes, clearly this guy is using a sock so he’s either butthurt or a bleeding ass liberal.  Argh, I just realized that many people here are from other countries and they don’t understand slang.  brb, gotta squeeze in a few more serious, on-topic responses while there is still time. 

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If I think of any other relevant responses I’ll be sure to post them.

iHodler, you still mad bro?  Not very Christian of you, ey?

iHodler, come on, you still pretending to be on a different time-zone?   ;D

You’re the accuser here yet you refuse to answer some basic questions raised by Vlad and others.  That’s a serious red flag. 

So is this the only bitcointalk account you use and have ever used?  And please answer the other questions too since we still have like 40 hours to go.  Thanks, bro. 

3 of my posts have been deleted by the mods on this thread.  One asked a simple question and the other 2 were hardly offensive given the accusations and the fact this is Bitcointalk.  Regardless, the only way they were deleted is if OP was butthurt.  Again. 

I just got a great idea, when this insider is done with his hissy fit, we’ll play another cool game:  Vlad Doxxes Everyone and illuminates the crypto-game.  And yes I have a good amount of real proof.  ;)

Man, no chance to even respond to questions.  Feels like an inquisition here.   ;D

Shall we start the game? 

The reason they were deleted is because double/triple posts are forbidden. Put all in one post and you'll be fine.

Hahaha.  Is that why?  Each post was a specific and different response.

Kinda funny that hasn’t happened in 7 years.  lol

Actually yes, according to the forum rules (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0):

"32. Posting multiple posts in a row (excluding bumps and reserved posts by the thread starter) is not allowed."

Maybe it didn't hapen until now because some mods are more strict and other are less strict. Or maybe they were overwhelmed and just didn't notice.

It happened to me sometimes and either my post was deleted, or it was appended to my previous one (again, depending on the mod). And, of course, it also happened to post 2-3 replies in a row without having any if them deleted. But the rule is clear though.

Meh, Cyrus knows me and I have posted exactly the same way on his other threads. 

Rat games will not be tolerated. 

This is nothing more than a personal vendetta by an insider who’s connected to Core and bitcointalk. 

Speaking of core, is that Cobra avatar still wreaking havoc?  I deleted my twitter app so I don’t keep up. 

Yes indeed, Cyrus is more permisive :) Don't know anything about Cobra, I'm not following Twitter.

Welll, Cyrus is the mod here.  He would be taking whiner complaints.

And like I said, 7 YEARS, and no issues. 

Coincidence. 

Dude, I can do 2 plus 2:  I’m high caliber.   ;D

I've been meaning to ask you for a while - how's your high-caliber Paycoin bag? Still holding it? I guess so, seeing that you're still mad as a hatter.

This will probably get erased of course cause gee, I should edit my last post for a totally different subject.  

Anyway, I just saw your screename:  GAZETA?  You romanian, bro?  So am I and Cyrus - there better be no treasonous behavior here cause that hurts me on a personal level after the near 5 years levied upon me in romoland.  

Blood in blood out carnal.  Vatos locos forever, holmes.  

Hehe yes, maybe your post will be deleted because you posted more than two consecutive replies in a row. But fortunately I quoted it thus it will stay here (unless mods will delete mine too lol).

Yes, I am Romanian :), this being one of the few Romanian crypto websites / newspapers. And yes, I know you and Cyrus are Romanian as well. Cyrus is our hall of fame here, as a Romanian is global administrator. The Force is with us!

About you (and me), we spoke also in the past, but I think you forgot... You were offering some coupons back in 2018 or so :) I think Vtrader coupons.

And no worry, no treason here, as you could see from my previous posts :)

Cheers!

Sorry, don’t remember, I talk to so many people [see high caliber].  I’m in severin, BTW.  Trapped, but I guess we’re all trapped now.  :/

I gave you 1 merit for that post - I hope it’s not gonna get flagged as abusive.  Gulp! 

LOL

Everything was better back in the day, even fucking shitcoiners were cooler... just look at the above, still shilling a long dead scam as if it's the second coming of Satoshi.

Not like today's illiterate penny scammers.

Ain’t that the truth dude, miss the old days.  Wait, you just made fun of me.  lol

Ixcoin just might be the second coming of Satoshi.  Y nobody listen to me?  ;)

BTW, you have over 4,000 merit points with a newer account than mine.  I’m high caliber, that’s just not possible.  How do you do it, brother? 

Unfortunately the first rule of the merit cycling club is to not talk about merit cycling club so I can't tell you.

Grrrrrr.  I’m telling iHodler.  Lol

Another 26 of my high caliber posts deleted. Someone anguy wit me.  Haha.

Cobra has been actively opposing maximalism culture and the newbie fuelled over optimism for sometime on twitter. He also keeps mentioning how bitcoin usage is needed instead of arguments and crusades about maximalism or overthrowing finance. He hates Blockstream's Liquid. Once in a while, he sends out gem of a posts like the one where he talked about bitcoin of the old. Like this one:
https://twitter.com/CobraBitcoin/status/1184884469804818433 (https://twitter.com/CobraBitcoin/status/1184884469804818433)

The last part where he explains why he doesn't engage with the community anymore would surely resonate with some people.

Nice.  He’s right - and maybe we’ll get a nice surprise this year. 

And boy do I really know the naive feeling of losing thousands and even hundreds of thousands of coins.  Ha!