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This whole CCP virus scenario is clearly the opening salvo in a open kinetic war between China and the USA. The economic, proxy, and shadow war phase of this conflict has been very active for many years. History shows open warfare comes next. A biological attack is a likely opening salvo of an open kinetic war. This has been a long time coming. I would say I look forward to all the shit talking that will be proven wrong in coming years, but pointing and laughing at how wrong you were when we are at war will be no consolation.

with all the theory thats going on that china manipulated this thing, then i wont be surprised if a ww3 would start after this epidemic.

What evidence do you have that this was a "biological attack"?

I've not seen anything which really even attempts to substantiate that claim based on any valid scientific analysis, or any leaked documents, or any other generally acceptable methods of analysis.  In fact the basic logic of a particular 'event' falls quite flat a lot of times.

What I have seen are a lot of very blatant attempts at blunt force warmongering propaganda.  It's times like these when a person or group's true colors come out.  As a consequence it is a great time to separate the wheat from the chaff (or 'tares') in alt-media land.

As I've been saying since the start of this thing, keep your eyes open for a third country to start a mutually devastating war between the U.S. and China so that they can take advantage of the vacuum it creates.

And a biological attack from a 3rd party has the potential to instigate that doesn't it?

What evidence do you have that this was a "biological attack"?

Even if it's not, both China and US needs something to keep it's people contained as the economy is going to crash.

If they can convince people of the false-flag, sure, and that has proven to be a fairly trivial achievement.  Certain groups sort of specialize in doing such things.  So happens that same have a fair bit of pull in both mainstream media circles and social media platforms.

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If someone owes you a lot of money, you can hire a collection service and pay them a fee.  The United States people owe the Federal Reserve basically every person, place, and thing in the country to this private entity after 100 years of borrowing debt-based money at interest.  The Fed is probably largely an off-shore entity, but they are protected by banking secrecy laws (hence the 'audit the fed' thing) so nobody really knows.

I suspect that China will act as the collection service and will get a cut over and above what they are already owed.

I suspect that Zionists have been effectively in charge of the U.S.'s political arms for long enough to have seen compromised butter-bars promoted up  through Major General so I don't anticipate much 'defense' from our military.

I suspect that for a similar reason China could win a war almost without firing a shot if that was the will of our Zionist controllers...who have moved their financial capital to China already over the past several decades and are teaching their kids Mandarin (mostly to control their new hosts.)

I suspect that the so-called 'left wing' will not only not resist but will welcome the Chinese with open arms to 'save us from Trump' or whatever.  That trial balloon has been floated in such states as California for some time, and the controlled media cannot stop gushing about how the Chinese society is so great that they can build a hospital in two days.

What 99.9% of the goyim don't know (because they don't get brainwashed in yeshivas) is that they themselves are just about to go crazy and do another holocaust on the Chosen People.  Thus, it is morally acceptable for the 'victims' to strike them first out of 'self defense.'

He has nothing, these are the classic conspiracies after every virus, it was the same for all the previous ones like Ebola, SARS, and others. It's always the same shit.

before the virus spread widely, especially in the United States...
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/watch-out-america-china-and-russia-are-stockpiling-gold-2019-07-29
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-russian-and-chinese-central-banks-will-keep-buying-gold-2019-09-13


source: https://www.investopedia.com/articles/forex/11/golds-effect-currencies.asp

I'm not really sure if this is connected but it looks like a scene was designed a few months before the virus spread..

sorry in advance ... just a prediction  

-MEANS
-MOTIVE
-OPPORTUNITY

All three are there.

Because people who engage in biological warfare always leave convenient trails to follow for hard ons like you do they?

Some more to chew on:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Sc7aWeS4VN2JAlB9jmJp_o05ML2vTBqb/view

https://images.law.com/contrib/content/uploads/documents/392/85094/Coronavirus-China-class-action.pdf

https://www.scribd.com/document/454999758/India-Drags-China-to-International-Court-for-COVID19-Biological-War

What evidence do you have that this was a "biological attack"?

"Coronavirus: China Floods Europe With Defective Medical Equipment"

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/15840/china-defective-medical-equipment


"WHO’s Tedros Adhanom Should be put on Trial for Crimes Against Humanity"

https://www.roughestimate.org/roughestimate/the-crimes-of-tedros-adhanom

Don't spread hatred between countries.
Due to the fact that the virus started from China we don't have to claim war with them.
The beginning of a virus can happen from any place around the world. In that case, China was the starting point, but it is not a whole nations fault in order to start fighting them for this spread.

Don't project your politically correct horse shit upon me. I have been quite vocal that this is being used to escalate tensions to lead to war, and we should be aware of this. Regardless the fact is this is happening. If I pointed out a racist lynching about to happen, does that make me a racist spreading hatred?

No one is blaming the entire nation, if I blame anyone it is the CCP. They took specific steps to hide the scale of the virus for their own economic benefit at the expense of lives across the world. I think you are going to find yourself disgusted at your defense of them in the future as the scale of these crimes are exposed.

Crimes will be defined by the winner.  If your phat corrupt democracy wins, then you can claim it's disgusting - not before.

China handled the New York virus very well.  The US is doing a piss ass job.

The winner? The winner of what? You have no idea how China is truly handling this because nothing they say can be trusted. FYI the USA is a constitutional republic, and you are a subject of the queen, so save it you psychotic alcoholic frozen tundra dwelling porky pig.

What evidence do you have that this was a "biological attack"?

If you don't mind, I'll take the win instead of returning the insults.  :)

You have no idea what I have no idea of, do you?   Believing you can read minds is a sign of mental illness.  :/


I just assume he's trying to start more drama.   There is no evidence.

Its cool with me if you want to entertain your delusions of success. I do know you have no idea, because almost no one has any idea, except for maybe high level CCP in China, but feel free to pretend you have some special insight or special line on facts that no one else on Earth has. Being an alcoholic, compulsive liar, psychotic is also a sign of mental illness.

Then stop the drinking and lying.  Or do you want us to babysit you another ten years?


Do you have Tourette's by chance?


.... since Techy will now do his reporting and have all my comments deleted, I am out for now - don't need to win more than once.  :)

I drink maybe once every couple months Vod, you are the alcoholic, but I know you prefer projection rather than looking at what a pathetic sack of hog shit you are. Enjoy your delusions. See you next time you have a little drinky-poo and can't control your compulsions Jim Layhe. Let me know if Xi gives you any breaking news on the CCP virus.

I don't anymore, you alcoholic.  :/

I thought you were done winning? You are drunk right now at 6AM aren't you Vod? Admit it.

I am done winning for today!   It's 5am, but I understand the numbers are fuzzy for you, admitting to drinking and all....

Are you sure your time isn't better spent finding some more terminal cancer patients to drag into your psychotic obsessive compulsive disputes? 5AM...6AM... who ever heard of time zones? You are the liquor.

5AM...6AM... who cares when you drink, right Techy?  You'll pass out soon.  edit:  nighty night techy.  :)

Sky News Australia

"Evidence mounts COVID-19 came from a lab in Wuhan"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIHWaaJNktQ

How reliable is this guy? I am usually pretty careful with youtube sources, but since this is Sky News Australia, I am a little confused.. Any thoughts?

People own guns to protect life. I guess that means you can't murder people with them! I don't hate China. I love the Chinese people and have worked with many in the past. I hate the CCP, as anyone who isn't an aspiring brown shirt should too. Get it right Nutilduuuuh.

I would not want it to happen, but I can see it somehow happening with all the theories surrounding the covid19 situation

Re: "the controlled media cannot stop gushing about how the Chinese society is so great that they can build a hospital in two days," if I'm not mistaken this hospital actually collapsed after a few days (or weeks). :o

Technically, nothing to gush about anymore.

Doesn't matter.  The image has been implanted in American Citizen's minds via a pretty good example of modern propaganda dissemination.

Many many people are saying we need to be more like China insofar as our government has the 'tools' to get stuff done and 'help the citizens.'  Tools like the facial recognition cameras, cashless money, and social credit scores.

It really doesn't make an ounce of difference if something like the miracle hospital is proven to be a for-show fraud, or even a whole-cloth invention.  Very few people will ever know about the evidence of fraud, and such people are 'conspiracy theorists' anyway so everything they say (about everything) is 180 degrees away from the certified truth as brought by CNN.

If the official story is that the entire complex 'collapsed', that would explain why it isn't there to do follow-up reports on I guess.

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Just FWIW, I've work in and around earth-moving off and on for most of my life.  I've never seen a 20 acre area filled with nothing but excavators and without an earth moving vehicle in site (scraper, dump truck, dozer, grader, sheep's foot, etc.)  Looked pretty fishy to me.  Maybe someone did a time-lapse of the site prep which would be interesting.

The point is things have dual uses. Just because something is done with one pretext doesn't limit it to other uses. A pathogen lab studying cures is functionally the same as a pathogen lab for engineering bioweapons. A gun for self defense is the same as a gun used for murder.

If you think there is no distinction between the Chinese people and the CCP, you are just a fucking moron, or completely disingenuous, or both. That is like saying during world war 2, if you hate Nazis you hate all German people.

war with china can only happen

if

(A) china declares war on usa to get back its access to the market which is unlikely since china can also earn currencies of other nations not just usd

(B) the us declares war on china to get back its production, if china confiscated american property or which would be much worse, usa blames china for competing out domestic production in the usa

What evidence do you have that covid-19 was a "bioweapon"?

Circumstantial.

 - The initial suggestions about r0, aerosolibility, durability, etc match 'gain of function' features which are worked on in biological weapons development.  As time goes by and if the initial reports prove to be unfounded, then this circumstantial evidence is accourdingly deprecated.

 - The obviously bogus nature of the 'bat soup' story and how it was circulated on social media were a match for deployment of a biological agent for propaganda purposes.

 - The match for previous 'hypothetical' infections of coronavirus including the 'ecersize 201' held to 'simulate' a coronavirus pandemic only weeks before the first admitted case in China.

 - The use of the 'covid-19' even to achieve a myriad of psychological and social goals.  Most certainly including mass surveillance and mandatory vaccination for all people on earth.

 - The figures behind the various 'hypothetical' infections and the various programs such as 'ID2020' (Bill Gates in particular) being very quick to jump hard on the bandwagon and continue to lead the charge.

These are a few things which raise the eyebrows of people such as myself who've been basically expecting such an operation.  Speaking for myself, I did not really recognize that it would be possible to achieve all of these things with a standard coronavirus that was and always has been kicking around in the mix for potentially a very long time.  When I realized that, it changed my mind on whether this 'almost had to be' a biological weapon.

Unlike most analysts, I fairly strongly entertain the hypothesis that the 'animosity' and competition between the 'superpowers' is not a real thing.  I think it possible that it is more akin to the 'animosity' between the Democrats and the Republicans which is almost completely a stage show.  I think it entirely possible that both the 'covid-19' thing and the coming war are entirely choreographed by entities who are above the commonly recognized governments (Trump, the CCP, etc) and are effectively pulling the strings on these entities, the mainstream media, the tech giants, etc.

China really has to be responsible for this plague...
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1265235/Coronavirus-uk-news-boris-Johnson-china-compensation-fee-henry-Jackson-society I hope that more and more countries do this, China has really screwed up world.

"1st documentary movie on the origin of CCP virus, Tracking Down the Origin of the Wuhan Coronavirus"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le_rfTdayLs

Okay, so zero evidence. You have zero actual evidence that backs your wild conspiracy claim, as usual. You just push some retarded, half-baked video you found on 4chan as truth and call it a day.

"Let's just foment hatred for China, that ought to solve the problem."

You don't give a shit about facts. You don't give a shit about the Chinese people. Your only goal here is to rub one out in public with your microscopic pecker because you are obsessed with me.

Everyone else, watch the documentary, it covers a lot of great info.

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Doesn't look like evidence to me. Keep fomenting hatred. Its what you do best, even if you are always wrong.

He seems to be of the Bannon/Jones/Gorka/Psobic crowd.  Basically the Zionists who got Trump to the presidency.  Zerohedge's true colors are really shining through here as well.

Accding to my hypothesis these people would be pushing hard for a hot war with China...as a way to ensure the collapse of what was left of the United States and make it easier for Russian/Chinese troops to provide collection services on the geography and what remains of the populous.

Now I would not doubt that some or most of the lower-end people in this sector really do believe the 'New American Century' crap with all the U.S. domination/exploitation of the rest of the world.  It's not unlike how most of the greenies really do believe the solar panel and windmill utopia that their leadership has filled their heads with.

It's dictatorship either way.  I doubt that either the 'debt-backed' or 'resource-backed' leaders, both of who's dreams revolve around totalitarian control grids, are really on top per-se.  A little war between these factions themselves is also engineered by an entity who sits above both.  And gives power to both.  They win either way.

Oh don't criticize China! That's racist! I have been WARNING against war with China for some time. Warning does not equal endorsing no matter how much either of you project your own delusions upon me in lieu of having an actual debate.

The CCP MUST BE CHECKED. You can suck my dick if you think that is "fomenting hatred".

You've also been warning against:

- an impending civil war in America
- a U.S. invasion of Iran
- a takedown of Joe Biden over his foreign dealings

and you've been dead wrong about each one of these things. You are a perfect reverse indicator of reality. Once I saw you open this thread, it was a confirmation that in no way is China trying to start a war with the U.S., or anybody for that matter.

War with China isn't going to happen over this issue no matter how badly you want it to happen.

I was also the first one on this forum warning Coronavirus was a serious issue back in January. Civil war is still a distinct possibility, not that you would know because you don't live here. Some factions in the US still desperately want to go into Iran. Regarding Joe Biden, just wait till the election. This are all nice off topic posts to try to bolster your lack of an argument, but back to the actual subject.

China absolutely is planning war with the US and has aspirations for world domination, it is well documented. They are also simply stealing sea resources from neighboring countries, including yours Nutilduhhh, but tell me some more about how peaceful they are shooting and sinking fishing boats for fishing in their own national waters. The millions in concentration camps are also having a fun time I am sure. The people of Hong Kong and Taiwan also love the impending peace China is about to bring them.

Whether you realize it or not, war between the US and China has already begun. You are just too dense to realize it.

Lol! Don't behave like a kid. You are talking in unison with the conspiracy theorists which may or may not have any credibility. I have been seeing a lot of videos from various people in these last few weeks which are trying to make China solely responsible for this epidemic. In war, people don't burn their own house. You need to understand the difference here!

Also if you think US will attack China, then please come out of your day dream. China is not Afganistan or Iraq. They are the largest nation in Asia and splendidly powerful beyond your imagination. There is no countdown for war is ongoing.

None of this emotionally-driven tirade changes the fact that you are wrong about all 4 things. Every argument you make as to why being wrong is OK is because "its impending." That's great. Everything that has never happened is also "impending." You have yet to produce a single shred of evidence that supports your assertion that war has started, nor have you produced any evidence that the virus is a "bioweapon."

Stop reading zerohedge and go outside for a change. You constantly preach the inevitability of war, chaos, mass death and the apocalypse, yet meanwhile the sun is shining and the birds are chirping. Just take a peek out your window.

As far as I'm concerned, there are two options for people who align with Zionists which put Trump in and leverage their propaganda to try to jin up fear and animosity for China.  The only reason to do so is to try to obtain support for a shooting war.

1) They are themselves aware of what Zionism is and in support of the project of Zionism.

2) They are dupes.

Zionism is Talmudism.  It is all about the chosen people re-taking the promised land and enslaving humanity as 'is written.'  This will definitely be at the expense of the United States once the shell of what we once were is milked dry, and we probably pretty much in that condition now.  The carcass is still good enough for stew meat, and the Chinese have got the manpower to do the butchering.  The Zionist will side with China and since they control the entire apparatus of the United States they can easily let China win that war almost without a fight.  And I predict that that is exactly what they will do.  They hate America precisely BECAUSE we gave them so much.  To a psychopath it's easier to pallet the thought that they took what they wanted than the idea that they were the beneficiaries of charity.

Again, I've got nothing but disdain for the CCP and would like to see them fail.  I don't have anything against the Chinese people, but I don't have a lot of love for them either.  They, like the Russians, are people who grew up in rough conditions under terrible governments and that does not favor bringing out the best in people.  Unfortunately the Chinese are useful slaves who will work cheap for the Zionists, and the former Soviets (who make up a large fraction of the Israeli populous) came up in a hard system which makes them capable of fairly outrageous atrocities in their part of the world.  We'll face both of these in the next hot war, and my analysis is that we'll get our asses handed to us fairly quickly.  In part because most of the officer core of our military has been installed and promoted specifically to ensure that outcome.

I would dearly love to see the CCP fail and the Chinese people find something better.  The Russians too.  A war with the United States in which they would win and/or get nuked (along with everyone else) will not help the people of either of those nations achieve the worthy goal of ridding themselves of their enslavelment, and it would wipe out the Americans completely.  The only winner would be Israel, and a lot of their quasi-religious leaders (who also lead both Russia and the U.S. in some fundamental ways) cannot stop promising a world with is vastly worse for ALL of the non-Jews than the Soviets or Communist Chinese ever achieved (although both got significant support from Talmudic/Kabbalistic forces in trying.)

"U.S. and China Will Likely Go to War In the Next 30 Years - James Fanell"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMyoCIAO9YQ

China's going to face retaliation for their garbage communist government hiding coronavirus and suppressing doctors from informing the public about its spread but I think we're far from a war. Mutual agreed destruction is what prevented the Cold War from breaking out into something irreversible and I think both China and the US will have economic battles for the foreseeable future. Military action is possible, but not likely.

I agree, war is unlikely to start over this singular issue. However economic, proxy, and shadow wars between the USA and China have been in full force for several years now. This CCP virus pandemic is just another rising of the tensions leading toward open conflict. If clear proof of it being a biological weapon does come out, this would certainly escalate this conflict dramatically, possibly to open kinetic warfare.

If Military action were to happen, it'd probably originate in the South China Sea - https://asiatimes.com/2020/04/china-seizes-covid-19-advantage-in-south-china-sea/

China apparently really gets pissed when US military presence is near their country.

The consensus I have seen is that it is likely to be triggered by an invasion of Taiwan by China, since the USA has a defense agreement with Taiwan. Of course all parties know this would likely result in all out war, so China is unlikely to do this until they are willing to engage in such a conflict.

Count how many nuclear warheads that China has before you go to hot war with it. OK?

Just a bit curious, do most Americans know that China has the third most nuclear weapons?(If only counting well maintained ones, China the 2nd as Russia has a shortage of money to its armory maintainence)

I don't want to play fallout - the real world version.