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The people are dying.

Government is trying to work out things using their own methods , that they were using since eternity and guess what ?

We don't have a solution to a problem that could have been controlled but the government shushed the people up who decided to stand up.

We all know about the whistle blower doctor who was labelled liar for spreading rumors about the COVID -19

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/20/chinese-inquiry-exonerates-coronavirus-whistleblower-doctor-li-wenliang (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/20/chinese-inquiry-exonerates-coronavirus-whistleblower-doctor-li-wenliang)

When this could have been prevented right at the start !

China is trolling the world and avoiding blame , whereas on the other hand US president is all set on opening up US for the Easter .

This is completely ridiculous .

Markets are dying , some countries are leaning towards making heard immunity because now the matter is out of their hands.

We have had amazing revolutions over the years and I do think we need one right now , otherwise we won't survive for long enough.

Either people will die of the Corona virus or the quarantine itself where the poor people are suffering and have no jobs , soon enough they won't be able to pay for their food and other necessities.

Economic situation is collapsing and we need justifiable adjustments , where money which is supposed to be used for the people , for the healthcare facilities , goes where it is supposed to go .

Where the corruption is punishable now just by laws but practically too .

What are your thoughts ? Do you think it is completely reasonable or we can live how we were living before?

The actual governments are tied to their own interests and old way of thinking. That ensures the current economic model remain, or at least change way too slow.

I think that the way to go wold be to change the way the governments "work". I think that we need one and only government for entire world, of course with (semi?) autonomous regions, and all the individuals governing should get there after CV and interview based recruiting/hiring. Like in a proper company. They would have to work well, else they'd get fired.
Such model would ensure better economic models too and one currency for all (which then can be even Bitcoin).

Of course this is utopia, would require a world wide revolution (and even that may not be enough),

At this point, people are completely powerless because most are quarantined, mostly scared and uncertain about what will happen in the future. How do you envision an economic revolution at a time when much of the world is actually sinking deeper into the abyss of the economic crisis?

USA now blames China for hiding real data (which may or not be true), but this does not detract from the fact that the major powers of the world have largely been irresponsible in dealing with the problem at hand. In time when China is warning the world, Italy and UEFA have organized a football match in Milan in front of 40,000 spectators (Atalanta Bergamo - Valencia) two and a half months after the first recorded case in China. This match was a virus bomb, Italy and Spain are now paying huge price for that.

Even after that, other countries were reluctant to accept the real threat, so we witnessed Trump's incredible statements that the US would have no more than 15 infected, or the British prime minister who planned to infect 40 million people - and today they have a mortality rate of nearly 10% from this virus.

When all this goes through, people will have the opportunity to elect new politicians in the next election, but given the very short-term memory and very poor politicians overall, it is difficult to expect any changes. One should not be overwhelmed by some apocalyptic thoughts, as only about 20% of those infected have serious symptoms of the virus, about 4-5% of which will die on average.

It's a cruel reality, deal with it and adjust, learn from mistakes you do this time and try to prepare for what is coming in the future. The virus is just a warning that the world is quite unprepared for any global crisis, and may in some ways reset traditional thinking and encourage people to make radical changes, especially in the healthcare system.

I actually loved your idea , but then there will be a problem with democratic government , what I understand is , if a person is well educated , with a very good moral status , he would indeed make better government than the stupid moron Trump right now.
Maybe instead of people choosing the government , it can be done by the judiciary part , this way they will have a better way to decide also at the same time , democracy sometimes reminds me of the movie *The dictator* , it might be true for some of the countries , like China .
I think people who are interested in politics instead of waiting out should go for it !
No better way to clean up the mess .

The sad fact is the figures are getting worse , it is hitting the younger generation more than expected , you can see a clear cut demarcation between the real practical motality rate and the theoritical one .

One more crisis we are done , we don't have savings because of everyday expenses , everyday routine , what else would you expect from a common man who is striving hard to just excel at living?

Trump was the stupidest decision the people of the US made , second to the fact that 7% of the Americans think that chocolate milk comes from Brown cows .

Yes, but you can't really compare China with the rest of the world. China has been living under dictatorship since decades and they have now accepted their fate! I strongly believe, that the death numbers quoted by China is not even near to the actual deaths. But thankfully, that's not the case in many other countries because majority of the governments are trying hard to fight with this real threat with utmost sincerity.


You need to understand that it is temporary. Markets are dying because the major production industries are all shut. These industries are the mass recruiters so they are firing people in big numbers. But as soon as the COVID-19 threat is vanished, it won't take longer before the market is back to its normal course. The number of recruitments will go up and the market will find its own way to shine again.

I don't think bitcoin can be a revolution here at this stage. People will get into crypto market only if they have money in hand, which is clearly not the case. That's the reason why we are seeing crypto market is mostly in red.

I am hopeful that we will soon see the issue is over and we will be back to our daily routine in no time! Let's just hope for the best and accumulate more bitcoins if you can at this moment. 

They don't have plans for this literally, major countries like USA, CHINA and RUSSIA are always into putting money with their ballistic missiles, war ships and tanks and not even building more hospitals like what we need right now, you see how crap the government is? We are all prepared on how to destroy other's nation yet we are not prepare on a destruction like this, I really think at this very moment that we are facing an extinction but it is very overreaction of me.

This quarantine is a mistake. People will not get antibodies if they dont get the virus.

This is not ebola or AIDS. Its a disease which can be healed. Some people healed even after a few days.

I can tell this from my own experience. I've got pneumonia during the swine flu outbreak, and gained antibodies from it. Since then, any cold I've got in the last ten years have healed much faster than before. In the recent years, I had seasonal colds which healed from one day to the next, without need of medication.

The medical establishment dont want this. They dont want you getting natural antibodies, because then you are not going to buy their pills, and governments will not buy their vaccines. And if they are discredited, they will not have legal immunity when their vaccines kill thousands of people.

People should go back to work, before there is a food shortage and things get worse. Starving people dont heal, and are much more susceptible from side effects coming from bad vaccines.

Its only the elders who are at risk, as their immune systems are weakened. These should stay at home, and have their rooms cleaned periodically, to avoid any infection.

From what I know, the only thing a government does in a mandate is to make sure they'll get re-elected.
Of course, this is not written down nor said in public "literally".



My (Utopian) model was with one government for entire Earth and the regional ones will all go under this. That should hopefully end that stupid rivalry.



Although the news look bad, we are extremely far from extinction, thankfully.
This mess just shows how ... obsolete is our "modern medicine" and how useless the current governments and law enforcement agencies are.



Indeed, it would be something (meritocracy?) that will replace democracy. Modern(?) democracy is just a stupid game of fooling the masses to vote and choose between people they don't know and a game to keep the hard-to-manipulate ones at home in the voting day. We need to evolve.
However, one big problem in my logic is how to get the ones that'll judge / interview the candidates, but I see that no one was thinking that far. Also the current governments will all have to fall. Difficult.

And this is where I stopped reading. Same ol' conspiracy theory *sigh*

Get your facts straight. There's no such thing as "all set to restart the US on Easter", nothing was set in stone, why are you lying? Just so you know, nationwide social distancing was extended until April 30^[1].

But I guess this doesn't fit your "govt bad, revolution now" narrative.

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1. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/29/president-trump-extends-national-social-distancing-guidelines-through-april-30.html

Economic revolution should mean the return to the old ways, for start we should be able to produce our own food, instead of importing it from desert areas.

Returning to the old ways isn't as easy as it sounds. Being able to produce your own food means having the necessary knowledge. Anyone who has never grown their own vegetables and animals at home will struggle and, if you switch from commercial food to your own production, having a field of food destroyed means literally going into starvation mode from 0 to 100 in a matter of days.

We don't have the education to do the switch. We are taught all the crap possible during our life but the basis of survival. "Let's move back to the old ways" - sounds great! But what are you going to do with those ladies with 5in long nails and fake eyelashes? What are you going to do with all these rebels not willing to do a "peasant's" work?

Decades ago this was normal. Today it's considered awkward. Future may change our perspective, but when the pandemic ends most will go right back to their old habits and plans.

exactly! it's sort of infuriating watching the USA try to flip the narrative and blame the chinese.

by january, the possibility for widespread pandemic was well known. the federal government did not stockpile medical supplies, they spread material misinformation about mask usage, they downplayed the public health risks and the scope of existing infections every step of the way. which is why stuff like this kept happening:

https://i.imgur.com/sZC2bdy.png

and we wonder why NYC was hit so badly......

Your point of view is right, but in the same time in the old times there was also abstinence, there was care for the surroundings, nature and community, now, in the capitalism era all what mather is me, the selfishness and in this manner we wont get far.

Be careful what you wish for, revolutions don't always lead to good things, they can often cause extreme and unnecessary violence, political in-fighting and they can easily give rise to even more authoritarianism. And there can't be any economic revolution without political revolution, you'd need to tear the whole system down to change it.

We will definitely not be able to live as before, because the world has changed in connection with the coronavirus. As we know, economic evolution is a sequential process of transforming an economic system. In order to at least change something, you need to completely redesign the banking system and fight corruption. All this is a very difficult and long process. But the most difficult thing is to come up with such a system of economy so that everyone can use it - it must be simple and understandable. At the moment, the blockchain system will be difficult for many people to perceive. But BTC ATMs are already being introduced in countries where they are not prohibited. As soon as the cryptocurrency system is approved by most countries of the world, then it will already be possible to talk about the economic revolution.

At least now people have to realize that everything told by the governments are not really good for their people, sometimes all they want to save their economy even if there are few hundred people might dies for this and that is actually happening in New York. People might have some changes habits after this pandemic from more consumer to preservative which will push the economy to slow down for sure even after corona ends.

I don't think there would be an economic revolution going by the current scenario of COVID-19 as most of the countries affected on a major scale are first world countries. These countries have rapid response teams and people have economic stability to recover from almost any crisis in near future. Moreover, on a very practical note a free economy in such a scenario would only increase problems than resolving them. It's because markets would be largely crushed by large players as the retail investors would move out of the market in FUD. Only good point that you mentioned was corruption. Yes, corruption is the worst pandemic which is going on right now even larger than Covid-19. Because even the grants and supplies provided by government are being marketed by corrupt leaders and bureaucrats. This is creating a much worse situation.

Take for Instance India, Govt. has made a budget of $20 Billion USD but unfortunately nothing is being distributed to the end laborer or the persons for whom this budget has been brought in. The numbers look really large but are just on paper. Moreover, even the COVID testing kits are not being manufactured thanks to bold red tapism in India. So, yes corruption is one big reason which could bring in economic revolution. But apart from that I think we as a small retail investor are much safer in the pond in a socialist economy. We might not able to grow for sometime but atleast we won't be eaten by whales.

I do not think revolution would help, the most disturbing thing about all these is the thinking of some youth, may be this is as a result of what they have been taught in school, people do not think for themselves again, believing government must do everything and solve every problem for them. I believe the world we are now is for I, myself and me.

The pandemic sure has affected a lot of countries and disrupted the economic status around the globe but, it is not the time to  blame each other, this is the time where cooperation is what matters most. Looking back in earlier pandemics, we are far more ready now, with our techonology and communications, that should be used to unify all the countries to coopearate for a better chance on solving this crisis.

In addition, the good news is, Bitcoin price is gradually making a development these past weeks, and it coule be a sign for a recovery that we hope for.

I agree - revolution won't help and probably will never be a help anytime.
At the lowest point ( I mean right now and/or later) we as people should unite together and help each other if govs remains useless.
When we come out of this storm - then we should think whether switch govs or not

This is on point, the government have no feasible plan or effective plan to handle this kind of crisis. As people are staying at home, government officials are also staying inside their houses doing nothing and letting it their countrymen suffer from famine and virus. They don't properly distribute some goods or items to survive this quarantine and if they give something, that thing is not enough to support their lives if they have a big family. During this kind of pandemic, you will really see the true politicians who are willingly sacrificing their lives just to help people and you will also really see the politicians who are useless and corrupt. We can't deny that there are no perfect government, but they should do their responsibilities and mission so that people will not experience this kind of suffering. I hope that not all government in each countries are corrupt because someday we will vote for the politicians who are responsible enough and deserving for the political position.

With the current events taking place the economy is going down the toilet for the next year or two. It's really odd to live in a time when you don't have any idea how life will look a year after. One thing is certain -- the power of governments and fiat money economy will weaken. But what will come to replace it, is what we should prepare for.

Why is this a conspiracy?
Everyone knows that big pharma doesn't want us to get sick so we can develop antibodies but wants us to become sick so we can buy drugs..
Perfectly logical explanation!

Just as the narrative in the poorest areas of the EU, the NWO wants them poor so they can sell them stuff.
It makes sense, doesn't it?  ;D ;D


Ok, so it's good to blame the government but let's not blame China for all this mess, for trying to hide the truth, for telling the WHO the virus won't transmit between humans, for sending help full of useless gear, and more recently ...for reopening the wet markets selling again all those animals in the same conditions that generated all this...




Oh really?
https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152

January 14:
https://i.imgur.com/PJ8PgoE.png

New great depression is started. History repeats itself

yes really. january 21: China confirms human-to-human transmission of coronavirus (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/20/coronavirus-spreads-to-beijing-as-china-confirms-new-cases)

not to mention the fact that taiwan informed the WHO of human-to-human transmission in december 2019. (https://www.ft.com/content/2a70a02a-644a-11ea-a6cd-df28cc3c6a68)

and since when do we trust everything the chinese government says anyway? china says "trust us" about urgent matters of national public health, and all western governments oblige, in spite of conflicting evidence? ::)

people are letting their governments off the hook way too easily. the USA government knew the potential in january yet they did absolutely nothing until late march. in fact, they materially misled the public about the known risks until april.

Ironic...Taiwan who is not a member of the WHO because of ...who (pun!)?
Same Taiwan as this one:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-taiwan/taiwan-says-who-ignored-its-coronavirus-questions-at-start-of-outbreak-idUSKBN21B160

We're not even allowed to call it Chinese flu or Wuhan virus not to hurt their emotions, but god forbid somebody asked the Spanish flu to be renamed h1n1
And fault right now is of Europe and the US for not wearing our seatbelts, not the moron who come the wrong way drunk driving a truck at 200 kmh.


Make up your mind :P
Should we have trusted what they've told the WHO or not?
Because if we didn't trust them the first time I see no point trusting them the second time  :D :D

I believe the economic revolution will come by itself when people are tired of the current situations, and they need to change. It happened before, and it will always happen to make the world better than before. People will fight for something good that they believe that is the time for them to rise. There will be a time for people who are tired because China and the USA trying to show off their power and wants to be the leader among the other country and want to be a conqueror from the other country. We will see the economic revolution will happen at that time, and the situations in all countries will be different than today.

The revolution we will get is to move back to 1945-1973 capitalism. Where government owned and controlled wide assortment of industries. Time of high taxes and heavy and expensive state.

What are you exactly suggesting? With this "economic revolution" you are thinking about there is no possible way that it could be started with the given situation right now. Majority of the affected countries are still in lockdown and that lockdown also covers work from both blue collar and white collar workers. White collar jobs have a high chance that they have work from home and they still earn while the one blue collar jobs will most likely depend their needs with the government, just with this situation alone we can't start anything but just to stay at home which will help lessen the spread even more. We have no other ability but to just voice out our concern over the internet or donate to a cause but other than that we can't really do anything more.

There is a possibility that the economic revolution will happen in the long run if the covid-19 mortalities are ceaseless to increase, in this event, we can't predict if when the total lockdown it will last and many people have been losing their job and afraid to manipulate their domain. Economic revolutionary is the old ways but sounds great .meaning I agree but it is very hard to happen in this season of social distancing. instantly we have many countries are stand to help their people by giving financial support I think this is the best way to overcome this pandemic virus.

Some adherents of modern monetary theory (MMT) assume that whether intentional or not, the coronavirus provides an opportunity for many countries to do economic resetting, especially for middle countries and poor countries.

Economic consequences will surely come when and after the pandemic ends. But there is one policy that the government can do today without having to rely on debt, without having to depend on the dollar and without having to import. The policy is "printing money" as practiced by many countries today.

MMT adherents assume that the theory of inflation is old-fashioned and not always printing money leads to inflation. But there are certain principles that must be done in printing money, namely the underlying is a multi-layered project, so starting from raw materials and labor must be from within the country, there should not be imported goods.

Printing money based on layered projects will make the economy go round even though the country keeps watering money. That way jobs will remain available, and the economy is evenly distributed.

Nothing? Hmmm:

First known covid19 case in the US was confirmed on January 20. 11 days later, the US govt (despite people saying they were racists) bans travels from China (Jan 31).
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/01/31/801686524/trump-declares-coronavirus-a-public-health-emergency-and-restricts-travel-from-c

Reminder that a few days later, the WHO said that such measures were excessive: https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-04-20/h_267d4c445f4bf4730abca05eccc62c67  Imagine what would've happened if they hadn't impose such ban  ::)

But if by "nothing" you mean they didn't "stock up supplies, produce ventilators, an impose social distancing", then, obviously they were not going to do anything, there wasn't enough data (that's what Dr Birx and Dr Fauci from the coronavirus task force keep talking about ALL the time: data) to begin with so there was no reason to "do something" since nothing was happening in the US, at least according to the CDC and Health Department who seem to be hungry for more and more data.

Nobody really can stop you from calling it the Wuhan Virus, or even Chinese virus, don't be silly that is the PC talking point and nobody really has to care about what they think.

You can always be someone who is leftist and still hate even further leftist BS, I suppose social democracy all around the world but sometimes when SJW makes their talking points about stuff I do mock them as well, there is a level of PC that is correct and should be followed and then there is "we can't call it Chinese virus" type of people, do not care about them, as long as you know you are not hateful towards all Chinese people in a racist stand point you are fine.

I still call it corona because that is what first I heard, not covid-19, not some other name, but corona so I use that, but if I heard it as Chinese virus first like Spanish flu, I would have used that.

It happened already. The Chinese had been warning all over about travel bans, they also lock down Wuhan before the virus spread some of the people on social media calls it too much and raising eyebrows after the locking. It should have been looked at being a serious matter as to why they have been dong it.

Blaming doesn't solve it now. Whether this can be their fault or conspiracy, we need to find a way to survive this crisis and deal with it. You do the revolution today you'll suffer Corona.  ;D

wtf are you even talking about?

whether taiwan is a member of the WHO wasn't the point. the point is the WHO and all western governments were well aware the pandemic risks in january and did absolutely nothing for 2+ months.

they were doing nothing to stockpile medical supplies or build ICU centers, they were actively telling people there was no risk, business as usual, no quarantines, no social distancing, very scant travel restrictions from china (~760k travelers entered USA from china through february), telling everyone not to wear masks, etc.

in hindsight we now know that western governments literally did everything wrong they possibly could have.


you are the only one saying we should have blindly trusted china.

studies showing human-to-human transmission in january were independently verifiable. it was not a matter of trusting china. https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/publichealth/84537

western governments in italy, USA, and elsewhere simply ignored the threat for months and fed their populations endless misinformation.

at most, you can blame china for delaying reporting what they knew until mid-january. they did the same when the SARS outbreak occurred so it's not a surprise. they are a propaganda machine after all. they need time to get their house in order.

how does that excuse our governments for ignoring the threat until mid-late march?

the USA and south korea confirmed their first coronavirus cases on the same day. the USA is projected to have a ~1000x worse death toll in spite of korea's much bigger population density. you want me to blame china for that too?

I agree with that. Soon the time will come when people will feel bad in terms of money, who live in cities and depend on the global economy. However, those people who are not dependent on the global economy, which drives us into slavery, will remain in the same position as before. For example, a farmer who grows organic vegetables will have the same income as before, because people will use his services in any case. In addition, such a farmer will have food, water and almost everything that is needed for existence. Therefore, if the dollar depreciates, then it will not greatly affect it.

those restrictions went into effect the first week of february. by then, the coronavirus was already widespread in the USA.

even after those restrictions, something like 20k americans returned from china in february-march, with apparently minimal screening. not to mention the millions streaming in from britain, italy, and spain completely unrestricted until mid-march. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/disaster-motion-34-million-travelers-poured-us-coronavirus/story?id=69933625


south korea and taiwan curbed their outbreaks despite this supposed lack of data. now the USA will have a 1000x worse death toll than south korea. why?

anyway, is that the right way to approach a pandemic---wait until spread is out of control before doing anything?

other administrations were far better prepared for a pandemic like the coronavirus, because they recognized it was a basic emergency function of the federal government, and they understood the exponentially growing nature of pandemics:


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/disaster-motion-34-million-travelers-poured-us-coronavirus/story?id=69933625

in contrast, trump and obama both pulled funding for a pandemic response, and both failed to rebuild the national stockpile of medical supplies. trump also dismantled multiple pandemic related programs for budget reasons, even just a few months before this outbreak occurred.

and maybe we can rationalize that. everybody lost sight that a pandemic was possible so they pulled funding---fine. but did they really need to wait 2 weeks to even place basic travel restrictions from china (while still letting tens of thousands through anyway)? did they really need to wait 2 months before restricting other travelers from epidemic-hit countries? did they really need to misinform people about the efficacy of masks? did they really need to wait this long to start procuring PPE? did trump really need to downplay the seriousness of the pandemic, promising a return to normal within weeks right as infections were going exponential?

the most damaging thing the trump administration probably did was to downplay the whole thing, and openly advocate against taking it seriously. as a result, much of the country followed suit. the whole thing became highly politicized, with conservatives/republicans arguing against taking any public health measures seriously. people even started throwing coronavirus parties as a political rebellion. what a fucking shitshow. but what do you expect when the president kept saying "it's just a cold" and we need to go back to normal?

I think it's going to be an intresting few months. I'm highly curious to see if when stay at home orders are lifted if the unemployment rate will lower close to what it was before or if the rate will remain high above 15%.

I accept as true with you that this revolution can never solve our problems If we people do anything united then the govt is obliged to obey that Revolution won't only harm our country and therefore the economy are going to be worse. If this problem is solved then people won't be ready to overcome the crisis.

#tomahawk9 already answered this but probably you would have wanted to see tanks in the street and people who come from abroad thrown in camps..
but at that point, you would have been enraged by the abuse of power of the government and demanded freedom of choice
at which point you would have asked for tougher measures of control and lockdown of the country...
at which point you would accuse trump of trying to stage a coup d'etat with the army and the evil gubbermint

Of course, it's pretty bad for me to judge you like that...I mean...you're not a guy to change your opinion that quickly, right?
Remember this?


So, according to you the evil and incompetent gubbermint should have acted on January 14 when EVERYBODY knew how serious that was...
But on January 30...somebody I quoted above said that everything was blown out of proportion.


Cough, cough...see above!
 ;D


So,  promoting stuff that Korea did...
https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-south-koreas-success-in-controlling-disease-is-due-to-its-acceptance-of-surveillance-134068
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/28/tech/korea-coronavirus-tracking-apps/index.html

Phone tracking? Sharing your travel routes with strangers? No privacy?
How many thousands of pages throwing flaming poo at us government would have been written on this forum if they would have done so?


Nope, I'm the one blaming china for this.
It took them one month to report it to the WHO while silencing everyone, and then lie for another 20 days.

By the time anyone in the western world heard of it, it was already too late, countries had identified the virus even before the news of it spreading through human contact. In Spain, for example, the first known case of somebody dying because it was discovered only because they tested some people who have died before the first confirmed infection, post-mortem.
And he returned from Nepal before any case was reported there.

Why would they have acted...after all..let me quote...

Stop be populist pls.
No one is fully prepared for such epidemics. It is logical that someone will die (let me remind you that the mortality rate is
a) minimal
b) the risk group consists of old people.
Yes, China has acted absolutely abominably, hiding the real situaitob at the beginning of this whole story - and I am sure that China will be justifiably exposed to collective claims.
If people can't pay for their own food, then they are homeless and unemployed, which they were before the virus. All my friends, for example, even before the General panic began, spent the necessary amount of money on supplies and sit quietly at home.
Your left-wing populism at the level of SJW, " for all good and against all bad"

if you believe that a governement, any govt (US, Italy, Iran, Italy, Canada, etc) was going to stock up on supplies, and build ICU centers and field hospitals because of something that was happening in some asian countries, I have a bridge to sell you...Literally nothing (as in, no major stuff like in China) was happening in those countries that would warrant entering such state of alarm in January.

Obviously, they paid the ultimate price as they have more deaths/cases than in those countries in Asia, and I agree with you, they should've been more prepared (talking about the 1st world countries), but that's how they operate (or used to operate): evaluate the situation (like data) in your home country and then react.

It's obvious that they were going to react quicker to whatever that was going down in China: they're right next door. Plus, population SK is 51 million people, Taiwan has 23 million, USA have 330 million...yeah sure, population density, but c'mon now, 330 million!!

Was Trump the only one who downplayed the whole situation? Reminder that there's a guy called Anthony Fauci, probably THE expert in infectious diseases in the USA. The guy has been the director of the NIAID for more than 35 years which means he's "served" under 6 presidential administrations and has seen many pandemics and diseases.

Maybe, just maybe, he could've said something earlier, you know? Something to warn the US citizens about the possibi...Oh wait, didn't he say back in February that you could go on with your daily activities as usual? https://www.today.com/video/dr-fauci-on-coronavirus-fears-no-need-to-change-lifestyle-yet-79684677616
(jump to 2:40 min)
So, who downplay the coronavirus pandemic? Just Trump? The guy follows a script whenever he talks, his people prolly asked Fauci and the CDC and they all agreed that this was going away very soon or it wasn't going to get serious. No, really, I know a lot of people want to blame trump for literally everything, but  there are far bigger responsibles for what's happening right now.

I mean, if the leading expert in infectious diseases said what he said on national tv, in late February, I can infer that he said the same thing to Trump and his people which made the orange man, and possibly every other health institution under the Health Department, downplay the whole situation by saying that "everything was going to be fine".

lol just ignore him, that's what I did.

Changes in Trump's attitude in seeing the Coronavirus provoked the thought that the Corona Virus was by design and Trump already knew the ending, it's just that the American response was a little late so China was seen as a hero because of its help against Corona even though it wasn't free.

What we understand in Indonesia when the bird flu virus struck is the practice carried out by the United States and WHO. WHO has more than 50 years of age requiring virus sharing, which turns out to be detrimental to many poor and developing countries from the origin of the virus. WHO uses every virus sample sent by each country not for humanitarian purposes but for commercial purposes, namely selling vaccines to developing countries and benefiting some groups. This practice was dismantled by the Indonesian Ministry of Health.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12961-indonesia-fights-for-rights-to-bird-flu-samples/

Openly on the agenda, Coronavirus is addressed as a health issue and is a struggle on the basis of humanity, but in a hidden agenda, this is World War III without arms but high damage to the lives of individuals, groups, and countries. This is evident from the scale of the widening implications and not a few fatalities, economic paralysis, unemployment, hunger or psychological effects in the form of global public panic. The lockdown issue and its derivatives, the implication is that not only large companies are falling, but the stock market is falling, including the real sector.

It is quite clear that China has something in their hands. Its like they plan for this virus to spread and let other nations die. It is clearly one of their agenda of being a dominant and bully nation.

you have evidence to that ? that is what others are saying but its too early to suspect them when we dont have a concrete evedince at the first place  .

infact china is the first country that supplies medical equipment right now   .  for now arguing is not the best thing to do but rather we need to cooperate and foccus more on helping our selves and helping others as well   . if we have that  unity we can easily solve this crisis that we are experiencing right now on our economy   .

The system of ensuring global health that has made us believe that it works. It revealed that it is not.
I am amazed. How the WHO allowed the virus to spread?
Why did the leaders of the nations of the world ignore that the Coronavirus was lethal?

China used a near-perfect technique to eradicate the Coronavirus.
It has been struggling with the virus for more than three months, and on March 9 reports that there is no longer a person infected with the coronavirus.

How long will Trump have to restore the health of infected people and leave the country free of Coronavirus?

For which I agree that our economic system is deteriorated and no longer functional and we need a revolution.

I think a lot will change after this.
Specially with 3rd world countries.

There will be a new budget that will be prioritized for healthcare.
This kind of virus could happen again after all will be cleared out.
Vaccines will be made which will be injected for everyone until only newborns will be left.
Then prevention, fast reactions and control. All of this will soon surface in senate meetings or better the World or UN meet.

I am hoping people will do the same. Save something for emergencies like this.
We cannot rely on the government only or other charities, we also need to make our own strategy.

You are accusing a whole nation without having any evidence.
This virus could have started from any place around the world.
Those statements - like yours - just spread hatred and racism and we should avoid doing that for the global good. Otherwise, we are going to be place in a terrible situation (the worst part would be a war).

I do not see it the way conspiracy theorist such as you guys see, I see this as a total fail that was unintended but of course not ill mannered. This could very well be some scientist who have nothing to do with anything just working on a new project and fail significantly, as you can see I am not saying it is from eating a bat neither but I also do not see it as ill intended neither, just an idiot scientist failing at his job and that's it.

Economically nobody really takes an advantage, there is absolutely no way anyone could earn anything from this so I do not see this as something that is really beneficial to anyone so why would they want to do something like this when they can't win anything from it.

The Internet really Feed us so many things ,I have read couple of posts in my wall about the China Spreading this and the other one is the Conspiracy of US and China but till now nothing comes certain because everything is allegation and no concrete evidence so lets just bare with the government to help preventing from spreading this virus.But economic revolution is not necessary for me instead Help each other and help the government .

If we were ready this moment could have been really a great one, think about it like if we were really ready for a huge overhaul in the economical and political way, during this pandemic we would have been able to actually get a revolution done. However we were not really ready so we couldn't really do it even if we wanted to.

In the future we should get ready for it so that we would have some grass roots movement. In USA we could had bernie sanders as the next president, he has a lot more followers than just democrats, because democrats would vote for anyone you give them against Trump but Bernie would have gotten votes from green party and independents and also even some moderate republicans as well, dude is loved by Vermont that he has been senator for a long time. We missed that opportunity for example.

   Every coin has two sides, don't forget that. Maybe crypto-currencies are ready to take over, but there are old
people who hold to old tradition, they don't accept anything new and better, and why would they when they got
their fortune from this system. We need to wait for change of generations, new and young people to come in
power, the ones who recognize potential of crypto-currencies and their ability to connect the world in better
and more fair ways.
   I don't know much about US elections, and I don't care. For me all politicians are same, they use ordinary
people for their own benefits!

We must help each other as human beings to overcome this crisis by avoiding the word of revolution Only then can a country's economy be developed The government and many times cannot do the right thing almost everything is a victim of corruption. That is why we never need a revolution if we are conscious of ourselves.

It is hard but people will survive. An economic revolution in the present conditions has no utility, first we have to overcome the crisis and after a detailed analysis we can take specific measures to prevent forward such scenarios like the one we are living right now.

I do not see what you specifically propose, what will be the innovation of your economic approach and your revolution? This is more like a call to bark all in a row, and we have already done this more than once. There was never any sense from this. Governments are trying to combat the spread of coronavirus by all available methods and they will change if they are ineffective.
The proposal not to fight the spread of coronavirus so that people get sick and get immunity is also not an option, because the virus constantly mutates. Now we would have had millions of corpses, and he would have continued to change. No, let it be better as it is.

economic revolution is not the main solution to overcome the global difficulties due to almost all around the world are manipulated some financial support to all affected areas such as money and food for recovery purposes.

What solution do you propose to make the economic revolution? Who led this revolution? I think the current  economy is stable. Due to the COVID-19 disease situation, countries around the world were forced to close their borders. Therefore will lead to severe economic recession. But once the COVID-19 vaccine is obtained, the world economy will function normally again. It may take 1-2 years to recover the economic losses during this epidemic. And the governments have many measures to support people like the United States has given each citizen $ 1800 per month.

Are you one of those idiots who carry confederate flag and calls to arms?
If yes, you look like the cult enemies in Far Cry 5, you want a revolution at this time of the year, do you think the army would let that happen, just because you have guns and a flag does not mean that you guys can blow up an Apache Helicopter. If you try to go out right now then you are not part of the solution, you make the infection chain longer, I know I do not have a say because I am not an American but think of it if the infection becomes much larger, more innocent will be infected and when that happens, you will blame it again on the government.

Not all countries can support their people like the United States. Even if it is possible for how long can the state provide subsidies for its people? Until finally the Government must ask for help from the IMF and the world bank, which in turn adds to the country's debt with a cover of aid. Don't compare other countries with America like comparing Hawkeye with Thanos in resolving a pandemic. America with its dollar that is used all over the world and has a habit of printing money from thin air. In contrast to developing countries or poor countries which have to be patchy to over budged to overcome a pandemic.

The world does need an economic revolution so that the rule of play is fair for all countries. Indeed, the revolution will not directly solve the problem but at least break the chain of imbalances and injustices of the world order.

The economic revolution that needs to be carried out is:

- Banks changed from margin oriented to service-oriented
- The use of money with intrinsic value
- Function of money only as a medium of exchange rather than assets
- Non-real economic sectors must be eliminated so that money revolves in the real sector
- There is no privatization of natural resources related to the lives of many people

The problem is, if governments where to fall and a revolution is successful the world would be in total chaos. It would render all economic structure and assets useless as people will fight for food to survive.
Thus making our efforts in Bitcoin investment and promoting cryptocurrency as a replacement for the traditional system would all be in vain.

everyone is still accustomed to the economy now, cash money will be difficult to replace especially with the existence of this Pandemic, some countries will certainly have a big debt to the USA or CHINA, if you want to create a revolution, then it comes from countries, some countries must start action using Bitcoin as payment and become money, if the country has legalized, the revolution has begins

This is reality. And this is a wake up call among people. They were the ones who casted their vote for the officials who are taking care of them now. Not that something will greatly change if it could have been other person standing in the white house or the president's house because this pandemic is indeed a nightmare. People are dying because of the virus, people are slowly dying of hunger, jobless and powerless people are forced to rely on relief goods (which aren't enough for the whole community), lastly, people lack the disciplines to stay at home and follow the quarantine. The government shouldn't only be to blame. It is the people also. They should know that without discipline, they can't unite. They'd just be a heavier baggage for the government to carry.

Coronavirus and WHO guidelines relating to lockdowns, restrictions on trade in transportation, etc. have plunged many countries into debt bondage.

IMF & World Bank, although officially an international institution, the international monetary giant is organized like a private company. Decisions must be made by the majority of shares held in the IMF or World Bank. Because the US holds the majority of capital in both, the US seems to be the main actor who controls the most votes over the funds or bank decisions.

Pseudo currencies of funds and banks are called special withdrawal rights (SDR). These account units are based on the weighted value of the underlying "reserve" currency, especially the USD. This SDR can be used to resolve differences in the balance of payments. IMF members, SDR extension is in line with their relative economic strength. Based on the SDR allocated to a country, a country can withdraw dollars or other reserve currencies in an amount sufficient to pay for a temporary imbalance between imports and exports, transactions that are almost all business in USD control.

China has long been binding its OBOR partner countries with long-term debt for infrastructure development, so that for the long-term interests of China, China will continue to annex OBOR partner countries with loans under the guise of assistance.

This is where the platform of a nation's state is needed and the courage and skills of a country's leader can be proven. The government may change but the platform of the state must remain the same. During this time we the world, ranging from lecturers, economists to world officials without resistance accept false knowledge that is propagated by the capitalists so that their wealth lasts forever. The knowledge taught is different from that practiced by America, China, Germany during the war, and Japan after the Second World War. So that the thinking of many economists, development solutions are only debt or foreign direct investment. Though there are many alternatives that can be chosen by the state besides relying on debt.

Satoshi has dared to challenge world hegemony by publishing bitcoin. Islamic countries in the Kuala Lumpur summit also plan to issue a gold-based digital currency.

Not even USA can support their people this way for too long let alone other nations, the only place that can do it right now is Europe because they are somehow doing very well in profits before all of this started and they are just using up all of that right now to recover from it, but that can't be too long neither because they can't sustain it neither.

I am seeing some printing of money in all of nations and all governments if this continues too long. I know there will be a vaccine one day, I know the number of infected goes down right now, and I know there are less and less people dying thanks to scientists figuring out a way to slow down the affects of the virus and help people recover faster (even if not a cure, at least a way to slow down is good) but in the end we need to make sure it is totally over before we can recover totally, like go outside however you want without a worry level of recovering.

It is ironic to think that these Giant countries are prepared in battles of blood than battle in virus. Wars give money to the US because of high caliber arms that they are selling. They live for a war. China is also conquering the world in a cold war, they are targeting rich countries in resources and they seized it through territorial issues or putting up huge companies. They are all good in conquering countries but saving life even their own citizen, they are too late to respond. Well, this virus only kills poor, old and people who can't afford hospital bills. But rich people never be a casualty of this pandemic.
In economy, they don't care about the recession. In fact, USA is moving down slowly even before, they just keep on keeping their economy at the top. If the economy barred down, only poor will suffer. Goodbye human race or should I say, goodbye poor people.

The current state of the country due to the epidemic is so bad that democratic governments will not support this economic revolution Everyone is immersed in their own country's economy but Trump is never a good government. With the exception of Trump China and Japan have to deal with developing countries in the world If crypto is more legal in these countries they will never want an economic revolution Will increase the mobility of crypto through transactions.

I believe that today it is Russia that sets the pace of international relations, because the Russian government is pursuing an aggressive policy and the governments of other countries are trying to do the right thing.  as for the virus, rich people also suffer from it, even if they can afford high-level medical care.  In my country, there have already been several deaths of an official and other rich people who had certain health problems and the virus destroyed them without any problems.  But one thing I can say for sure is that for any government, any old, sick and poor people are a burden.  For any government, slaves are needed - workers who will work silently and possibly the coronavirus is the panacea that can kill all unnecessary people.

We can not do anything when the economy is paralyzed. revolutionizing the economy, we need to have a stable economy and create a different development, but our foundations are collapsing. There is no other way to change this situation than to wait for the epidemic control of major countries. Our job now is to stay home quarantined according to what the government proposed, once the epidemic is under control, the economy will recover quickly.

And not just that, I have also seen news that they silenced all the doctors and journalists that tried to let the world know about the Covid-19 virus.

Imagine that, if all these doctors and journalists were able to pass their message across to the other countries in the world, and they accepted it, they would have been able to get themselves ready and prevent this spread of the Coronavirus. And China should have also done everything possible to prevent people from leaving their countries to avoid the spread, and they should have been open to the world about what’s going on, rather they chose to keep it a secret from the world  :( really bad.

In fact, almost from the beginning of 2020, certain information about what was happening in China was already available.  even then the spread of the virus and the number of sick and dead were terrifying, and even then every government had to act, and not wait for the virus to come to specific countries.  After all, when the epidemic began in Europe, it was only then that they began to realize that these countries did not have personal protective equipment reserves not only for people, but also for medical workers, and mechanical ventilation devices Not even enough for 10% of those in need.  But now everyone understands how today's healthcare system is ineffective.

A lot of unexpected events happened, even when the year have just only started, such as the conflicts between countries for oil and others where, it might have contributed why we are not that ready for the pandemic. At first, when the news about the virus started in the internet, not all have shown that much care, other countries disregard what might happen and did not make necessary first hand actions such as banning flights in and out to China like here in our country. The Government have disregarded the fact that the virus is really contagious until infections have run out in the entire country. But for now, we all should be cooperative and have the responsibility to be obedient to the rules set by the officials to properly lessen the spread of the virus.

Hopefully, a cure would soon be discovered before, the economy will totally crumble.

pandemic emergency situations that make the state made the decision unreasonable deteriorating economic situation in all countries in the Stop people from their jobs, the company went bankrupt. Now everyone must help each other in difficult times we all have to get through it if you have more money you can help the people around you to survive. a revolution must-have for the survival of all mankind throughout the world.

Actually it was in the late 2019, last December when there are already patients that has been diagnosed with a new corona virus disease, from that point every country especially USA that has a massive land, millions of people travelling in and out of their country, should prepare for what is coming, they should have been started banning all flights from China, or from USA to China same with European countries. Now that we saw what we are lacking of, hospitals and healthcare personnel this should serve as a lesson that health concern should be the topmost priority of the government.

At this time government cannot do anything they are cornered i agree this Virus is breaking everything people are jobless some can't even pay for their basic necessities food Rents etc, but all we can do is wait untill the situation is controlled or the vaccine is made. And i believe in anytime soon this situation will be controlled and we will be able to live like before. All we can do is help others out.

You might be scared that if we do an economic revolution we could hurt the economy to a level where we can't comeback from, but honestly there has been trillions of dollars worth of crashes in the world that didn't end up in anywhere, we recovered from them and we are doing better now, which means if do a revolution right now that means we could basically recover from that as well. Maybe it will be horrible for a few years, maybe it would be horrible for a decade, but in the end it will be recovered.

If we take that short term pain that eventually leads to many people being poor and many people dying, eventually we will have a much better long term life, we might live a horrible period in our lives but at least our children will know the real bliss thanks to revolution we created.

this is what we need now to follow orders from the Government because they
are the one who is in control of the situation.
without them we will never win in this battle so let us respect them and follow
what they tell us for our own goodness.
revolution is not answer for this because no one wants this to happen
and every one in the world is fighting for
this to be gone and bring the freedom again in our world,as now we seems to be prisoners of our own bitterness.

Corona pandemic is a nightmare. I even go through day after day with no hope. Many scientists predict that it will end soon, but I don't know what will happen next after the corona disappears. the possibility of predicting a global economic recovery will occur in 2021 is very much takes months or years for a normal return. along with the recovery of the export and investment levels in 2021. the greater volume of imported capital goods will cause the current account deficit to remain the same as this year

Covid 19 most trouble and get many victim around the world, now have several country keep safety from this covid but still get chance for each country if not quite how to attack corona virus, right now best moment is close flight and never give allowed for other people come to our country.

I see no reason for panic, much less for any revolution. Governments have already taken unprecedented measures to combat the spread of coronavirus. In a sense, they can even be called excessive, because due to restrictive measures, the economies of almost all countries began to plummet. Coronavirus cannot be defeated by any revolution. Now he has already begun to decline and we hope that on such a scale he will not return.

all countries begin to implement policies to control the corona virus (Covid 19) need time to restore the condition as before. various countries now experiencing extraordinary economic shocks, a total revolution may be carried out when normal conditions return after the world found a vaccine to overcome Covid 19.

Wait until corona virus end and many countries take recovery to get economic revolution, without stop corona virus many business failed because have country stop allowed receiving other people come to their country, many company stop working after their country get lock down level.

I think in this situation I am only going to blame the Chinese government and not the Chinese people, since there are lots of people there that tried to warn the world, but they were shushed by the government.

All of them that I knew that tried to spread information about the coronavirus when it started in Wuhan are no where to be found now, I even read from Twitter that they have been killed :(. Why would a government be so wicked and treat people that way? I don’t see anything wrong with these people trying to alert the world about a virus that is as deadly as this. These people really have a lot of questions to answer about this.

I heard that news. That is not strange for me because I think the government can do that thing to protect their secret, so they killed anyone who wants to reveal the top-secret information about the truth of Coronavirus. But no matter what, I am sure and believe that the truth will come and will tell the world about what is going on in Wuhan and with Coronavirus.

Still if airports are closed you are still in danger.
Covid-19 exists since November 2019 in the world. We just now understood that we have to take serious measures in order to fight it. If we have taken measures for just one week during January we would be in a much better situation right now.

We need to look forward. When this ends many countries will have to make a revolution and we can only hope that it will be better after them. This pandemic will change things in the world, and people have a chance to make some changes, now it's the right moment for that. I don't wish to blame anyone for this pandemic, I wish we to take the best from this and learn to be better and do things better. The current economy is making rich people richer, while slaves work for cents, we need changes and we need them as soon as possible.

As long as humanity still thinks that they are "being lied to" and there is a bigger thing going around "behind the curtain" we are not going to be able to change the system at all. Honestly I am not against the fact that there are secrets both from politicians and also news channels, and there are so many "change the subject" situations going on that I understand why people think like that.

However the simple point is, all the things we know right now, literally the proved data based regular stuff, which is your life, simply your life, is basically enough to want to change the world. There are so many poor people all around the world, and there are so few rich people, and we are here trying to find a reason and make a reason for the rich to be rich, instead of wanting to help out the poor.

Nobody says we should all live the same level, nobody says we need communism, but even the worst human should be able to live with a shelter and food and get healthcare, VERY BASIC stuff, just be able to sleep on a bed, eat 3 meals a day, go to doctor if you need it, those three things should be provided by the companies and people who are making billions in profits, not really a huge thing to ask.

The revolution is a total change, are we as individuals ready for it, if only leaving it to a handful of officials in the government feels hopeless. A successful revolution is a revolution supported by many individuals so that there are not many victims. No bank interest, using intrinsic money or at least gold standard even though the gold standard system is still very vulnerable to manipulation. Start reducing dependence on the dollar. So that in the end, the dollar level is equal to all currencies of each country no longer superior. You are on your own to decide.

So that the world obeys to the dollar the doctrine of dollars-based economics is made. The dollar has been in power for 70 years, it has been 3-4 generations of scholarship, starting with the first senior lecturer who received the doctrine of Keynesian economics. Then the current official age 50 years and over is the second generation. Then those who are in their 30s to the younger generation are the third generation who have confirmed the Keynesian teaching. The critical and creative millennial generation began to question the efficacy of this knowledge as a solution.

There is nothing wrong with Keynesian economics but the fact is that poverty does not disappear and the gap between rich and poor is widening. Is the world getting worse or healthier? Is the world more peaceful or not? The fact is the system does not work. The science of the world economy today is not working properly and many people doubt the messenger of the economy so that it also doubts the message that caused the world to be damaged as it is now.

For the problem of crimes that harm the state in the economic sector such as corruption, I see that the communist country has better rules for the punishment of every crime. Economic revolution is not easy, there must be many pros and cons in every revolution. Creating a revolution and building it on that system of government is often impossible for those without strong power. It could also be the possibility of a revolution which actually increases social inequality in a country. I'm sure we also want an economic revolution, but have we ever done anything useful for the economy or did we create a revolutionary idea.

We are in an economic revolution that is cyberspace. Compared to previous revolutions this revolution is quieter and more complicated because it is located on the internet. Corporations and governments are working hard to collect user data for economic and defense activities. Governments can also access information from other countries to exploit them. Nowadays, computers have replaced humans to do many things and take a lot of human work. In the future blockchain will save people decades of development. The country that develops blockchain early will win.

I think the economic revolution is about changing the way of production or management. Recalling the industrial revolution and the technological revolution. Benefits only bring to the rich and powerful, the unemployed and the poorer. Currently, AI and blockchain are threatening jobs for accountants and several industries related to finance.
COVID 19 has far more repercussions than financial events, and they are still puzzled by situations like these.
Economic development is important, but how economic management is more important. Rapid development is not necessarily good, large-scale but unstable, only worse when unexpected events like the last pandemic occur.

sincerely government did not have solutions to human problems and as such we should not expect them to stop killing and covid19 and other human problems the world is facing. I believe that revolution especially violent one is not the solution but revolution of our thinking and mind should be the solution.

It is true that a revolution in production is needed so that it is not overproduction according to demand. During this pandemic, we have learned to make savings and in fact we can still tighten our consumption patterns. With blockchain and technological advances, many industries should have started doing Just in Time production. Goods are produced according to orders. Or schedule the production of goods that can be sold immediately. Overproduction causes waste because it increases storage and trading costs, poor quality and increases costs. Because the waste will have an impact on the exploitation of natural resources, which incidentally the recovery takes a long time.

This is becoming more possible because of the rise of big data. This is what enables effective machine learning... and computer-devised efficiency improvements will no doubt be hugely superior to those devised by purely human algorithms. However this does bring its downsides, too - the question of accountability in terms of who is responsible if things go wrong, and also the 'black box' nature of ML means that humans will not be able to understand how and why certain decisions have been made. Of course this can be rectified by advances in AI such that a computer is able to communicate its reasoning... but that is further in the future.

The corona pandemic has definitely a huge impact in our economy. We are seeing a lot of chances in how we are doing business and working in general. Already before the pandemic we could see that industries were being automated and more and more people were laid off in the industrial sector. In the real estate sector we are seeing such trends directly. A lot of old construction facilities are being refurbished into residential apartments or into office space. The recent demand in office space should be dropping off due to corona and the rise in home offices.

Although everything has improved in line with the advancement of blockchain technology there is no need for an economic revolution at the rate at which the economy has been damaged by the effects of the epidemic. Many people are living in despair as everything is closed and it has turned into a revolution. If everything is opened, production will become normal but it will take a long time farmers suffer a lot in the production of goods.

It may sound so pleasant to the ears, but trust me, revolution isn't like that.

There are a lot of unfortunate events that are happening right now. It's awful to hear bad news everyday. But economic revolution won't totally solve the problem. As a matter of fact, it can be a problem itself.

For a revolution to happen, there would be violence. It can't be helped. To change what majority were used to won't be so easy and it would take years and many lives just to be done. And if ever it was successfully granted, it doesn't always work like how we perceived it to be. There are history that after a revolution happened, their situation got worse because some people took advantage of the scenario for their own benefit and self-interest. Like what happened in the Philippines during EDSA People Power Revolution. They ousted a vile dictator, only to be lead by a corrupt and inhumane one again.

To make an economic revolution is to revamp the whole system itself and not just some part of it. Otherwise, the cycle would just go on and on, just in different leaders and timelines.

it's possible but no one guarantees who the first developer will become a more developed country first, more efficiency in its management.
as if the snail is racing against the rabbit even if the snail starts early the chances of the rabbit winning are still very high.

I think, Economic revolution applies to few countries..For those countries in the third world country it would be hard to cope up with the standards and guidelines.. whoever initiates to implements this should be very careful and study it thoroughly as it might affects the behaviour of the community.

Industrial Revolution 5.0 is the answer. but it still needs to wait several years so that the human resource is ready, namely generation Z. because it can help fill the gap between the rich and the less fortunate so that it is no longer confused about capital, but the use of data that connects and moves everything.

Yes, economic revolution is never possible this requires the support of every country and the revolution requires a lot of troops but in the event that the whole country is affected by the epidemic, they need a lot of time to overcome it and cannot think of a new revolution. The economy has gone down so much that if the revolution starts it will be difficult to survive.

Although this is what we actually need to make things all better, I do not believe the world is ready for an economic revolution at this moment.
In Africa, where a large percentage of the population live under $1 per day, things have only become worsened. A lot of people have only suffered more hardship by the lockdown effect. As bad as this is, it cannot prepare them for an economic revolution.
Someone said we're already in the period of economic revolution through the cyberspace and Internet. This might be correct but a larger percentage of people, especially in Africa, are illiterate and don't even have access to the internet. Until these measures are put into place, the economic revolution cannot reach it's full potential

The question I keep asking is, what exactly are we going to do? People are completely divided in a situation like this and we are just confused with being left with two unfavorable options, either to stay indoors and wait out the virus while hunger kills us or keep going outdoors and the keeps multiplying.

Worst part of it is that the government will never be able to keep people indoors and stop the virus from spreading, even when they try to do so, the virus keeps on spreading. Most people now has decided that they are not ready to stay indoors since the spread never stops. Assuming that when we were indoors the virus stops spreading, then it would have been a good idea to continue with it.

No need to panic. The coronavirus is not so dangerous for humanity as to take special measures for a long period. So far, we see that it is precisely the tough measures taken to combat the coronavirus that have caused more harm to people than good. Now people in many countries are protesting against tough quarantine measures and therefore governments are afraid to return to them despite the new wave of coronavirus.

see from the many patients who are positive for corona, indeed the coronavirus is not as dangerous as presented by the media but it must be underlined for the unfortunate (those with weak immunity) this disease is very killing.  Weak immunity can cause other diseases that have lodged in the sufferer's body to become more deadly.  this is the reason why the majority of patients who die from COVID 19 are those who are over 60 years old or who have a history of deadly diseases in their bodies..

When the influence of capitalists increases in a country and the helpless people of the society are discriminated against by them then revolution is needed. But there is no possibility of a revolution at the rate at which the country's economy as well as the people have been affected by the epidemic there is nothing to panic about. After Japan its successors  cities like South Korea, Taiwan, and Hong Kong and Singapore adopted completely different development strategies.

I don't know when an economic revolution will come, but I definitely think this revolution will come. The economy and industry no longer work the old ways, and the industries are no longer needed humans as in old times.So who can imagine that the workers who work in the factory all day, and bosses who don't want to buy a robot instead of 10 workers.

LOL Not dangerous for humanity?have you checked how many died already and dying every day?
have you check how many are still fighting for their life now in Hospitals and even in their houses?
Life is much important than what you are saying.
Life will be back in normal if all people follow the rules and will wear mask and face shields and also keeping distance to each other and watch every things that we will be holding.

We could get somewhat the best of both worlds if people went outside and they took the precautions necessary to slow down the spread of the virus, but there are many problems with this, to begin with this takes time and people do not want to spend the time necessary to reduce the chances they will infect themselves or others, then there is the cost, it is more expensive to run a business if you try to protect yourself and your clients, and finally it has a cost in terms of comfort, anyone that wears a mask will agree that is very uncomfortable and many people that are wearing masks on the street are not wearing them correctly defeating the purpose of wearing a mask on the first place.

the economic revolution is not easy, there needs to be a role from the government...
The outbreak this time really made the economy collapse, the panic that occurred was mostly caused by the government that was unable to find the best solution and also citizens who are bored at home + wear masks on the street.

You can't blame the government alone for the economic situation right now, it is also the citizen's fault not all of us but most of us don't want to wear mask when going out, going out for unecessary things that can risk us to the virus, yed i agree in some point that government didn't have much of a plan on fighting the virus and keeping their people stable but everything must start within ourselves, if everyone is disciplimed enough even without the instructions of the government you can help prevent the spread of the virus. But of course some people really needs to go out to make some money specially those people who are not that rich and are struggling in earning money, those things should be taken care by our government, every one has its part on this situation so every one should do their parts and we can see a progress.

Its been what, like 5-6 months since this thread started.
And I can completely relate to the message was sent back then, but now I can claim - its not as bad as we were imagining it.
And my brain tells me - it won't be catastrophical, people will die, there will be less money in our pockets, but eventually - it will be a okay.

Revolutions for the most part happen outside of the influence of the government and the reason for this is that governments want to maintain the status quo while revolutions by default change things to the point the world becomes unrecognizable after a few years, if the next crisis is as big as the big depression then without a doubt a revolution will have to happen as people are not going to sit down and wait for the government to solve things, they will do it themselves despite the opposition they may face from the government and those at the top.

It is surely so that covid-19 won't take our lifes all. We have survived the scourge as the news of the vaccine is ringing on the globe, it means hope is around for humanity. We just need to always keep to the rules by the government about preventions and social distancing.