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I believe one better way of cleaning up the mess of scamming bounty hunters in this forum is for Bounty Managers to escrow bounty rewards either to themselves or with a trusted member.

Bargaining with project developers is a contractual agreement and so, a bounty manager among other things can and indeed should introduce escrow as condition for accepting to handle the bounty. And I believe this will help to flush out fake, ingenue and scamming bounty managers out, this place will be cleaned up.

This escrow is very possible as I have seen a bounty manager successfully doing that with at least two bounties that I know of, with escrow boldly stated. With this kind of escrowed bounties, you don't have a choice than to be committed and give in all because you are sure at the end, you will be rewarded accordingly, no waiting for exchange listing, launching of website crap stories, refilling of another form which will deny hunters who didn't see the information because they have moved on , or KYC.

So far, Julerz12 account as a manager has successfully done escrowed bounties. I guess two that I know of, below is their bounty thread links we can check :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5223521.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5208770

Other BM should adopt the escrowing bounty rewards style

If we are being honest with ourselves, this is just the way forward for bounty hunting in 2020 and i am glad that julerz is leading the way and setting pace as regards escrowed bounty.

This gives opportunities to cheerful and willing hunters, another recent example is the bounty detective / btcltcdigger latest bounty IOI GAME (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5238309.0)

https://i.postimg.cc/gjDz4whV/Screenshot-128.png (https://postimg.cc/m1PWgg8k)

The payment is confirmed to be secured, even though escrowed details where not shared.

More offers like this, and bounty world will be joyful once more.

While this might reduce the issue of scam, I still do not think it stop the dev from depriving them the necessary things. Take for instance, many projects in which I have participated will give all hunters the token as allocated but they will lock it so that it can't be traded. Sometime they will create another smart contract thereby rendering token given to hunters useless

I have great respect for Julerz12 his campaigns are always clean, never delay stakes calculation, applies some method to weed out spammers and escrow bounty tokens since developers may change their mind as regards distribution and actual reward. If other managers are sincere enough, they too should start escrow and let's see how developers will scam hunters.

Keeping bounty funds in escrow does not stop I'll treatment on the hunters by projects. Some projects can be outright scam yet funds are escrowed that re ders the tokens useless upon distribution. Stable coin payments bounties should be encouraged.

I believe it was a good intent to protect the participants and community as well as a whole but even though the rewards have been escrowed by the BM itself or another person it never gives assurance that the project will succeed or it is being listed to any exchanges which are the most important thing to be sure about. Scams are not new to us and I know that we are all aware of it (I hope so). Maybe it was just lucky enough if that certain project will succeed because most projects created at this time are turning into dead. It is not about being escrowed but it matters how the team work on it.

Yes i agree with you especially after so many scams in the last 20 or nore months that has really hurt bounty market, there are not much active hunters available now for new campaigns so yes there is a requirement for escrow and also more measures that will boost trust and revive this industry.

Possibly this won't solve anything from these scammers, they can actually give out the tokens to the bounty managers and never would list on any shitexchange. Experience has shown that, many of these scam projects come through some good and reputable managers just to get traction from people who seem to trust these managers. Also, holding the tokens or escrow the said tokens means nothing to scam but would save the stress of the managers be see as a manager that  doesn't pay hunters.

This much is true. I've tried participating in bounties where the pool is escrowed but with certain terms such as KYC, which I know is normal in some bounties and the lockdown period. Devs will always protect investors' interest. However, this can ensure bounty payment which most bounty hunters desire.

This is the problem here.
One BM will not accept the offer but others will get it.
So if you are a substandard project that has short term goals you will get a substandard BM also.
And someone will really get the job even if it is real cheap. ::)

I guess what's important is the token to be listed in an exchange, for me, escrow is not important anymore as long as the member handling the account is reputable, getting the token but end up not listed or listed in a bad exchange is just like being a bag holder of useless coins.

At this time, it's really hard to find a profitable bounty campaign, but let's continue believe that in the future it will change as the altcoins season will eventually come, all we need is just more reputable bounty managers to ensure campaign participants will not be scam.

If any campaign manager do not think about their participants, no one should work with them. Julerz is a good CM along with Hhampuz and yahoo. I really liked that he eescrowed the GEOMA Dao payment.
If you are talking about escrow bounty rewards, and if it is done by campaign manager, who will guarantee that campaign manager will not scam? Please check the reputation board and see how a lot of campaign manager is stealing rewards, abusing the bounty.

saving hunter bounty tokens through escrow or manager is a good decision because many projects that cut allocations do not even want to pay the hunter, although it is not a guarantee that tokens will be valuable but at least hunters get full payment from their work

Escrowing funds of a campaign automatically makes the campaign look authentic in regards to participants getting paid and that's what most campaign owners refused to understand. The authenticity of getting paid doesn't guarantee the campaign (project) becoming a successful one but it does give a upper hand in scenario when that is the case. Bounty campaign paying in altcoins especially those that are currently worthless due to lack of value as a result of them just beginning and haven't been listed on an exchange are already high risk since there chances of succeeding are minimum.

Now trusting an unknown project + manager to pay you for your service render when you're done with the promotion is adding more risk to the already existing one. Any quality manager will always escrow funds of their participants to reduce the chances of the campaign owners scamming his/her participants although some exception might be recorded.

right, for the first time the rights of the prize hunters must be fulfilled with the distribution of tokens. sometimes many projects cut in half the number of tokens that should be received. therefore the manager who is indeed a bridge between the project and the bounty hunter, if he is fully responsible, of course, will increase his rating going forward

This would be 1 step towards safety and a boost in participants right to receive the rewards. Though it doesn't exactly prevent the project from scam or the token not being able to list on any exchange or getting no value. All users can be sure is they get the bounty tokens. That's several folds better than no insurance at all.

They should unite and follow Julerz12 lead, one of the big issue now is developers delaying or not distributing the rewards of the bounty hunters which they deserve after working months to promote their project, it's not good for project to withhold the distribution, they will be reported by bounty hunters in the scam section and this will tarnish their reputation.

He and BountyHive have been escrowing their bounties all the time to ensure the safety of the rewards of the participants. Which is the good thing to mimic for those who want to become a respective bounty manager some have exemption like Yahoo and the others because they already know what kind of project is real. Those who have just started this kind of career should adopt those methods to increase the rate of legit projects in our community.

Campaign manager Julerz12 is one of the best bountt manager because they are are the one who manage and also who heolding the funds so the participants will really get the reward and that is very nice because manager did not want to wsste the time of bounty hunters I hope more manager will do that too.

This is the time for them to do that because there is a lot of scam bounty campaign now. Or maybe they escrowing bitcoins funds and after the reward sent to the participants the manager will be sent back the bitcoins to the team.

It's hard to get escrow from projects that conducting ICO or IEO but its great to know that Julerz12 always managed to get it. Joined his Guide campaign before and its a smooth transaction since its escrowed. Aside from him the only trusted manager who handle altcoin or none btc is CryptopreneurBrainboss and Yahoo too. Hope upcoming altcoin campaigns in the future would be handled by these guys. This process surely will reduce unpaid campaigns that complained mostly by hunters.

So far there are many scamer projects and we can no longer believe with the manager who manages the project, but for the dev julerz12 indeed the project can still be relied on and the division of prizes is always going well as possible because it applies escrow so as to avoid scamer, if escrow can be relied on for the gift of gifts then the team managing other projects can be used.

But do not forget that escrow campaigns does not determine the outcome of the project you promote, you will surely get your tokens but they can still be worthless

Julerz12 Is great, he had established himself already. Bounty managers should just be considering what he is doing to prevent these scams. Hope Julerz12 will also consider escrowing BTC, ETH or some other coins that has value and listed on the market already. There are still teams that can easily create another token making the ones put in escrow worthless.

That's one of the points then. The shit bounty scammers managers will take it up you mean right  ???



Easy, if that happens after escrow and the bounty manager is a reputable and trusted manager who has telegram group or presence on the forum, he can permit and instruct negative advert for the project via social media, Twitter and the likes.

You did a positive publication, you can also do the other way when project is listed and lock bounty reward for hunters.

Yes, that's right, escrow in a project campaign only guarantees participants in terms of payment, not in the price of tokens, because the issue of the price of tokens depends on the interest of tokens in the market.

That is one of the things that made me respect Julerz as a bounty manager. Since he has been able to successfully do it, it means other bounty managers can do likewise.

On the other way round, as much as escrowing the tokens for the bounty, I hope we all know that the project team can decide to swap their tokens after the sales might have ended. That is another strategy they might use to eliminate the bounty hunters or prevent them from trading immediately on an exchange, until the time the team desires. Which might keep the bounty hunters in waiting.

Although, what was suggested by the OP is good, but the best would still be to pay and escrow payments in BTC, ETh, or other top 10 coins on CMC.

I was once a participant in Julerz12's campaigns long time ago, and it went smoothly.

There are quite many escrows services offered here and I am still confused why do some devs still don't use escrow in making a bounty campaign. Some said that they weren't up to the service charge but it just doesn't make any sense why they still had the thought of starting a campaign.
Not using escrow just makes the campaign less trustworthy but not fully untrustworthy unless it is solely ran by a reputated person in here.

Sure but I think what we are now having in bounty is exit scam. Shady people now deciding to scam others by building shit project inform of token and decide to reward with the shit token. The iillicit intention of many project is to sweep people's money and run off.

Back then in 2017/18 , I witnessed the era of btc/eth signature campaign but not now.

With escrow, bounty hunters will be calmer in doing their jobs without the need to do too detailed research. Many campaigns do not pay to hunters and I think this is a negative action for the project itself and will have an impact on reputation and will influence investors not to invest

I have included this in my personal list if I want to join the bounty

Be valuable or not that is another story that is also a problem, but the focus of the discussion here is how to safe the fund so the hunter still got the token/payment.

So the hunters can't blame the BM when join bounty there's the payment not escrowed.
Hunters should educated their self to avoid the scam from project and also the BM need to learn how to minimize being scam from project and protect the participants.

Well, Bounty Managers have flooded the forum and there's difficulty of actually figuring out who among them are working with these scammers.any accusations had been made on on some managers who refused to pay their bounty hunters because they seem not to border about their bounty hunters getting paid after promotion.

The recent one that happened was a fight between the manager and the project team, they accused the manager of scamming them $145 without delivery positively to their project. I wonder what should be the happiness of that bounty manager who intentionally ignore their bounty hunters but derives pleasure to seek for their payment from the team.

If this will be possible: No manger should seek for their payment without securing the payment for the hunters after promotion and if anyone fond guilty about this should be ban or file.

I once participated in an escrowed project which later turned scam despite the fact that all the hunters were paid  with the tokens however the exchange that is expected to get the token listed later turned hoax, personally escrowing a bounty is not a yardstick for a successful campaign although it is prerequisite for scrutinizing bounties.

only julerz12 have done this  ? thats strange because there are so many bounties on this forum and so many managers are managing them as well  .  i guess there are others that are doing this idea too but you arent only aware with it but that is good , atleast you share your expereince here and recomend julerz12   .  the next time hunters will follow julerz so that they can save time and research because they know that they have a chance of joining a good bounty with this manager    .   i recognized julerz too    .  he was too perfectionist but not strict at the same time unlike others that perfectionist which affects thier atitude too  .

If you know most bounty projects well,,, this is not possible for majority of token bounties. Most projects do the bounties BEFORE the token is even created or listed, so none is liquid, they only distribute the tokens AFTER the token sale, so that is usually weeks after the bounties end! So it is not really possible to work like this if you want to work with ICO projects.

So we need to go back where signature campaigns are either paid in btc or eth. If all campaign managers will stick to this payment method, I think users here will be happy and at peace. But the funds should be escrowed also. When almost all token projects started to pay their own tokens, that's when campaigns started to get sour and turned a lot of hunters to bitter ones. Before, having escrow is like a must. Now, it is just optional.

It is true, most bounty projects created their tokens or the rewards itself at the very end of the project once they have collected enough funds,

The funds collected are their basis on how many tokens they can create and the allocation they have for bounty campaigns. It won't be possible for those kinds of projects.

Escrowed Funds might be good for bounty hunters but it is not guaranteed that it will have some value, Like for example, they have escrow a token with no value. Hunters will be guaranteed to receive their respective rewards without any adjustments it's a good thing most of the managers adjust the allocation after the bounty which is not good. But in majority, it all depends on the success of the project if their token will have a value in the future.

Many are adapting the escrow of bounty rewards but they cannot force the project owner if they didn't want to and if the bounty manager will insist to ask for an escrow of bounty rewards the project owner can easily replace him or find other bounty manager that can run the bounty campaign without escrow.

Most of the bounty managers will just accept the terms of the project owner especially if they are paying a good amount of money for running the bounty campaign. So as a bounty hunter, it is our duty to double check any bounty campaign that were being launch so we can avoid those shit projects or scam projects out there and it is not a good habit to blame the bounty manager alone.

This manager had another bounty in which he used escrow for rewards. It was called DAXICO, it was a cryptocurrency exchange.
As a result, at the end of the bounty, everyone received payments, but the project itself turned out to be a scam.
I lead to the fact that escrow is not always a guarantee that you will be paid with something of value.

This is a good way for bounty hunters to receive their tokens on time after completing the bounty. But it doesn't help them make any money because the token needs to be listed in exchanges so we can sell it, if these projects are not developed and listed in exchanges then I think that we only receive worthless tokens

Yes with this. So many time bounty hunter got scammed by shady team that literally want to use bounty hunters for free.

Well, that is somehow true. This is indeed a good way for bounty hunters to have receive their rewards at the end of the project but it won't guarantee that the rewards will have its value unless the project team will list it in an exchange.
In the end, even having escrow or the bounty manager will handle the reward, we won't guarantee the success of the project.

If reward are in escrow, bounty hunters will be able to receive it right away and they can dump it in case the coin will be listed in an exchange.
it's a great initiative but like I said, it's also important that the value of the tokens we will receive as a reward is not gonna be too low compared to its original price so we bounty hunters will be able to get our expectation and we will be able to enjoy it.

The situation of bounty hunting is very bad nowadays! Altcoins bounty hunters haven't received any payment in this year, no good bounty came in altcoin boards. Some good project conducted bounty but their budget was 3-5K USD! Recent a bounty project came with 1900$ worth TRX coin budget for all the campaigns. It's an insult I assume! So, escrowing is not the solution here. Julerz escrowed but see the result. Bmy.guide participants did not get a penny, I was a signature participant but my earned coins were valueless from the first. In the Geoma Dao campaign, the future is not clear enough! So, I suppose some established project needs to come with a good allocation to save the bounty hunters! Otherwise, they are passing really hard time!

OP is apt on this and I share in their thought. Perhaps theymos should make this a governing rule.


At least, the BMs should do their research before accepting the contracts and be true to themselves not to only concentrate on what they can get out of the bounty as payment at the detriment of hunters. I know quite alright that BMs get paid in BTC or other already listed coins like ETH/Litecoin, other than the bounty tokens. So, to a greater extent they're exempted from the hardship hunters go through after bounties have ended.

That is why the BMs have to be less self-centered. They should insist on escrow and know that whatever that will be will surely be. If it's their contract to get, it will surely cone back to them. They don't have to lower standard so they can get a bite out of every pie. How do you think Julerz makes it? Do you think he hasn't lost some contracts for insisting on escrow or whatever that is right?

Bounty rewards is just a small portions of the actual invested money which being collected from the initial sales, it won't hurt the actual exchange value if the developers are ready to place a barrier to their projects. Beside, it's the hunters right to sell it if they chooses to liquidate the tokens, they work for it and they deserve to do whatever they've think is good for them. Though understanding your point, I also agree that the rewards should be on it's original value and not a heavy dumped price once being listed to any exchange.

Well not a bad idea at all, doing this will mean the team are willing to pay, this type of action will only make the project look half legit, still doesn't guarantee that project will be in any exchange,  a token with exchange is literally useless, although it is highly unlikely that a token don't get listed so I would say I fully support of this suggestion,
However, not all team will ne willing to escrow bounty payment because most of them aren't genuine.

A project just showing that they are willing to escrow payments only mean that they are willing to pay their participants, I think that this is also just shows how the project wants to move forward with their vision overall. They aren't like these types of scam projects that will suddenly disappear and make the bounty manager be the one who take the fall. Actually what Julerz is doing is probably for his own safety and I can't argue with that since a lot of bounty managers are already becoming the only guilty party here for being irresponsible and their reputation lost just because of one scam. They should have some kind of standard guaranteeing their participants of a payment.

Sometimes is better you know that you received the token or coin than the coin being listed and doing very fine but it was not distributed to bounty hunters.
To add to that, even if it is of less value, it is better to have your labour awarded to you.

This is often used as an excuse for Dev who is not confident in his own product. How could they be afraid of bounty hunters shaking their prices if the project was truly accepted by the market? how big is the allocation for hunters? I guess that is just an absurd reason.

Well, I totally agree with Escrow. This increases the confidence of the participants that dev is truly committed to providing the right rewards, especially now that there are many dramas in the bounty campaign. However, please note that the existence of escrow is only a guarantee that you will get a reward, whether it is valuable or not depends on market developments.

With escrow bounty hunters will not be afraid if they are not paid and payment is according to schedule. It should be like that because seeing that there are many campaigns that do not pay participants, and also campaigns like this should be handled by experienced managers.

This is what teams don't want to do. The idea is to hold the bounty rewards for a long time and send everyone's bounty award in the bull market. With this way, the dump affect will be minimized, anyway, I agree escrow is the best, efficient solution for the obvious reasons.

A lot of projects cheated and used bounty hunter for free. Recently I saw a project that was Insure, after they made a bounty for 1 month, suddenly they stopped and declared not to pay bounty hunters, obviously they are a big scam in this market. Hopefully their project will quickly collapse and no one will invest in them

That is what makes many projects worse because the good name of the cryptocurrency project has been used for crime, which ultimately makes many investors who have been disappointed with an existing project that no longer trusts the crytpocurrency project.

I think they only paused the campaign based from their announcement. I encountered this thread that the OP said that it is one of the best projects in 2020 but suddenly stopped. So I checked the thread of Insure and saw the ANN from the team. So if they will not resume after a month or so. At least they should give the share of those bounty hunters that already did their work.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5238435.msg54171190#msg54171190

Anyway, that's the risk of joining token paying campaigns. They have the right to change in the middle of their campaign. And so it is the risk that the participant should consider before joining in. We can't control this situation because it is the project's team themselves have the say with their own project.

Any campaign has the right to change, but only if at the moment of change or pause they offer a refund/reimbursement for those who don't want to wait or don't like the new conditions. That's how things should go normally.
On the other hand, unfortunately the bounty hunters may get paid in a token which is not listed anywhere, which they agreed at start and then also the reimbursement will be basically worthless and this indeed is a risk (the same risk they took at start).


If the tokens are not listed (worthless at the start of the campaign), obviously there's a problem and a high risk for the bounty hunters. But as long as some will work in these conditions, the token bounties will exist. And these cannot be escrowed.



But there are also bounties for valuable tokens with no escrow. Why that happens I don't know. Of course it would be a good advertising for the bounty, but I guess that it also comes for some extra costs (which maybe the token issuer doesn't want to pay).

How I wish all the campaigns on the altcoin section used escrow. But this isnt the case. Lucky those participants who were able to joine escrow tokens. Ive seen campaign such as Guide and GeomaDao which are both handled by Julerz12.

But not all ICO/IEO phase project where gonna agree to this, especially if they dont have funds yet. I can see the reasons why some are dont like this method. These are funds that will be given to escrow still at risk. Also, there are chances that the token escrowed will be valueless in the end so its gonna be useless after all if they dont pursue the project.

Its doesnt help if the funds allocated for bounties is bieng escrowed ,  even if the bounty managers has a control or hold   the allocated tokens payment it will not help .  you cant sell it after the bounties ended  So what will be the different having it or not.

Remember that most of the ICO we have here does not list in any exchange.

It will only work if the tokens is already listed and escrow hold the funda for payment.

Im sure bounty managers are willing to escrow the rewards and be the one to distribute for the participants but the decision is not on their hands. The dev/team is the one to decide whether to entrust the rewards to the one who will manage the bounty, but usually they prefer to give it at the end of the campaign. Well for me the value of the tokens are more important, because it will still be useless if you get your rewards on time but it has no value and cant be traded thus your effort will be wasted.

Let say the campaign manager hold the funds of the bounty campaign but that coin they still holding the value is 0 Is so useless..
After the bounty and the manager sent to the members who join campaign their stake but what if the coin is not listed or still scam project they wasting time . So I recommended to join signature campaign than the bountt campaign.

There is a chance that bounty manager could run away with bounty budget. How can campaign be insured against it? There are only about 10 bounty managers with reputation to who funds can be trusted. But from bounty section, there are dozens of campaign managed by a dozens of managers.
My advice is - pay managers same time hunters receive rewards. This will made managers to choose projects more wise.

For shit projects, escrows are useless too because they will get tokens but it will never get listed on any exchanges so its pretty much similar to scam.Why bounty managers should adopt for already listed coins for promotions?

Real and good projects wouldn't afraid of doing this.

All the sh*t project's token can be sold on etherdelta or forkdelta :) You never know on what trader plans to get profit. I've seen how people buy crap tokens in bulk, make a hype and sell it with profit.

"Real and good projects wouldn't afraid of doing this." - true, but such projects rarely run bounty campaigns, because often they raise soft and hard caps in hours and they dont even need a bounty promotion.

Exactly, serious and future projects will never need escrow. I have seen several projects that have done escrow but they completely failed. I don't see them listed at any exchange in this market and the bounty hunter has received worthless tokens from them.

    I do not think that this will prevent deceitful projects from deceiving people. Let's say the rewards are even distributed by the bounty manager, but that doesn't guarantee that the project will be listed on an exchange or that people will try to invest in that project.

That's our main problem, projects should have to be listed at exchanges in this market so we can get valuable tokens. I am not concerned about delaying token distribution, as long as they are listed on exchanges. Surely we will receive money in the future

It has been done before by some other bounty managers as well but I don't know why it has not been followed by any bounty managers right now till julers did. You are right escrowing bounty rewards will be the best way to atleast save the bounty hunting activities due to the fact that there are lots of scam projects and hunters wont be able to get their rewards after he bounty campaign period. 

i found a list having that kind of campaign however the allocated fund  to bounty hunters is less valuable but you will surely know that all of the effort promoting a project will not be wasted.

We already have that kind of campaign here and this kind of campaign we should give support as bountry hunters, not those project that only give promises.

Then why our fellow guys are promoting the shit projects even after they knew it. ???

Existence of bounty hunters in huge numbers is the only reason why managers and project team doesn't care about them, if there are people who do enough research before promoting anything then those shit projects won't exist here for longer.

A lot of projects haven't even finalized their smart contract before they launch their bounty, hence why they are not able to send out the bounty allocation to the bounty manager for escrow. Also, some projects plan to launch straight to their mainnet, these one obviously cannot send out their tokens straight away since their coin doesn't even exist yet.

The bounty manager should clarify if this is the case so that hunters are aware about the current technical state of the project.

And this is the reasons why having an escrow will not work. There are also project change the contract before or after listing the tokens so it will also be a problem to escrow if they manage to send the contract and the payment send already to the promoters.

I don't know why that this important thing can't be applied by most bounty campaign.

I see and I have told in several thread that to avoid scam project bounty campaign should have the first found to promote the project through this way.

If most project do such thing I believe the bounty project will be successfull at least the project is able to reach the fund that developer want.

Also, the developer will always try to build his project in order to be used by most people and this thing will reduce the project/token will be a shitcoin.

yes that is the reason why many bounties do not use escrow as a way to distribute rewards to Bounty Hunter.
The use of escrow will add more costs, and the dirt project, Scam, which cheats Bounty Hunter will never implement escrow.

The application of Escrow for real projects will guarantee the payment received by Bounty Hunter so that it will not be exact about payment problems, because everything will be arranged by the escrow.

The detective is really a very responsible bounty Manager. In fact, there are very few normal bounty and, accordingly, bounty managers.But, of course, the bounty participants want to see at least some guarantee of payment for their work.

I think you misunderstood what I told there, even scam projects can afford for escrows because they are going to pay few hundred dollars and get returns in millions so use of escrow doesn't mean its a good project and also even if we got the tokens from escrow it will still have no value if it is not listed on any exchanges.

This is a great idea but I doubt whether some of these bounty managers will consent to this proposal. This will avoid situations of delays of payments as well as sudden change of payment details. However, you can visit the Service Discussion board as such BTC paid bounties are held there.

Yes we need escrow in all such services otherwise chances of scam, fraud and denial of reward are high, but clearly uptil now the bounty industry is not only non regulated but also cruel when it comes to sincere workers called bounty hunters because majority of campaigns in alst 2 years have not bothered to pay bounty hunters even after taking months of work.

Escrow is good.

But sometimes, to control and avoid such as dump from bounty hunter who already got the token. They will be doing a "Swap" action for the token before they listing on some exchange, give them some time to control all token from the bounty. If lucky, more people forget to swap their token and makes the token got burned.

It will only happen if all bounty managers will unite to accept jobs that are escrowed only. But this is difficult to happen because most of them have their own preferences in terms of handling the campaign. Also, there will always be someone that will not agree with this and just accept the job as long as there is some sort of payment to him. That is why, you can find reputable managers here who don't want to accept token paying campaigns, either bitcoin or eth, while there are BMs who are focused on token paying campaigns, which most of them ended up not paying their participants because the project becomes dead even before hitting the exchange. So if you are a bounty hunter, just stick to campaign managers that you know you can trust.

At a point this was really the headway after many bounties refused to honour their side of the contract to pay hunters, bounty managers have to escrow tokens meant for hunters in order to protect their interest.

Not everyone will have the privilege to join a signature campaign paying in established coins like bitcoin and ethereum most especially as the slots available are always limited which results to competition by applicants giving the managers the choice of working with merit earned in the last 120days and post quality.

The best advice should be they should only participants in bounty paying in already established coins (bitcoin and ethereum, etc) to avoid been paid in worthless coin irrespective of the bounty allocation been escrowed or not.

Well, not because the tokens is being held by a trusted user/bounty manager or an escrow means that it is already successful and can be trade after the campaign. It only shows that this escrow service is indeed good but it doesn't guarantee that the token you will received will have a value after the campaign.

the question is, will all projects agree with the decision to pay their tokens first to the manager or escrow? because surely every project will not agree with it except the forum that sets up the upfront payment rules for each project token

Nope, not all project devs will want to do that, honestly I can't blame them if they fail to trust a bounty manager because some bounty managers can get greedy later and send tokens to few bounty participants

Bmy.guide was crap, earned little dollars around 10$ I think, escrowed or not doesn't always make sense like that because bounty managers can reap you off as well, I think the best judgement is fixed allocation bounty and escrow is a single package

The forum cannot coerce projects in cases like these. It all depends on the decision of the project and the bounty manager, but as I see it, good and quality projects will never need escrow. They will try to reach out to the best managers here and run a campaign

Of course not. In fact we can see now, some use Escrow and some don't. I think, if the dev team is truly committed and has planned all of its promotional efforts well, it must have prepared a budget for the bounty. So there is no harm if the funds or allocations that have been prepared are channeled through escrow, reciprocally, will form a strong bond of trust between the dev team, the bounty manager, and the participants. IMHO. Of course, this is a dilemma, projects with low budget will definitely have difficulty with the pretext of fundraising first.
The only way to deal with this situation is to be patient, and accept all harmful things like risks.

I have observed the same things over and over in the last signature campaigns. After the merit requirement, it is hard to earn the 5 merit in altcoin discussion boards and the campaign manager prefers to choose the best quality posters with highest earned merits. Managing the bounty campaign is not easy, I understand but this should be left to the reputable bounty managers. I strongly suggest Hhampuz because he always control the spreadsheet with great affords. Just my 2 cents.

Things would become too complicated for them I guess, for which they try to avoid using escrows to secure the rewards for the users. But, yeah, they should do it. For whatever legit reason they might deny the payment to some of its users (multi, rule breaking, spamming etc), when the escrow agrees to it (and will actually agrees if the claims are true), the at least the user won't cry saying that he got scammed.
Won't also blame the users since once they make a mistake, they get removed without being notified by the bounty manager (which is to be honest, completely unethical).

Such a method is indeed very good to do for gift managers, so as to prevent fraudulent developers in the distribution of token allocations for project participants themselves. on the one hand we know that after the project is successful but there are still negative points, such as reducing the allocation of prizes to prize hunters.

Bounty Ox if I'm not mistaken escrows bounty rewards in order to make sure that the hunters don't work for free but get their reward.

there are some bounty managers like that, because some time ago I found a case like that, so for bounty hunters, they have to be careful when they want to participate in a bounty campaign as much as possible to choose a truly trusted bounty manager.

If that is the case then they should only joined in bounty campaign which reward are on escrow, but the bounty hunters are so big, these campaign might not be able to accommodate their volume as some bounty managers also set a limit on the participants.

What are you saying? Of course there will be a calculations for that and the bounty allocation and bounty rewards will be calculated. The bounty manager won't be able to get away with it. At least it is safe to think that our tokens are safe and can be redeemed if a bounty is finish.

I think this is a one step closer to cleaning out scams by having an escrow. Because if they are really genuine and trustworthy, they will make their loyal bounty hunters trust them. Escrow is cheap anyway and probably a legit project would be able to afford it if they really want to.

That being said that so many times the managers have already tried to use escrow but the team is always trying to refusing it caused by they will lose the control over the funds to ran the campaign.
I have been so many thread discussed about this but it never be a real thing for sure.
Hunters must bet on their own decision.

To Escrow bounty rewards wouldn't be a bad idea as it will help to reduce the rate at which hunters are been denied of their reward after they must have worked for month. Julerz12 is a bounty manager that have proven that hunters must get their reward. I hope others will follow suit and with that I believe with that, the rate  of scam projects will greatly be reduced

For this method, bounty hunters will definitely receive a reward after the campaign ends. But it does not guarantee that those projects will be listed at exchanges, I see a lot of projects he manages are not listed at any exchange and those projects are completely nonsense.

every bounty manager has its own specifications and quality, we cannot force the bounty manager to have the same rules as other bounty managers. the way the team gets the hype that will make the project choose the value in the market is the most important thing in my opinion.

I think that each manager of the company’s bounty rewards the participants not only on the basis of their established rules and conditions, but also does this on the basis of the proposed common pool for the company’s bounty from the side of the project developers.  I believe that the manager cannot give more than was allocated for the Bounty company.  But each manager of the Bounty companies himself calculates what benefits the subscription campaign or social networks, as well as bloggers and the YouTube channel individually bring.  As always, a little more has been allocated on social networks recently, because, as always, a lot more people participate in social networks.

I'm completely agree with your timely opinion. I suffer from it myself, already worked many projects but did not receive any payment. So I hope if we take this step we will be worth our hard work.

Yes, this is very needed to honour the bounty hunter's hard work. Nowadays projects are insulting bounty hunter after raising their target. Many successful projects yet to distribute bounty payment when they made success year ago! So, escrow in altcoins bounty should get priority to every bounty managers and legit projects!

Hunters have said good things about this managers you listed as honest and trustworthy. Other managers should join them to make good names for themselves and not continually cheat their participants. Infact, hunters should avoid questionable managers and let's see how they will survive with their scamming management. Enough of this cheating.

I think almost every bounty hunter suffers of this! I still remembered the Tokenpay, Envion bounties, they deceived bounty hunters badly! Therefore almost 60% of bounties in 2018 cheated with the hunter, so, if every bounty campaign comes through escrowing the fund then that will be very helpful for the whole crypto community!

This is always good to escrow bounty rewards, not only for bounty managers but also bounty hunters for that projects. This will increase confidence among bounty hunters and they will be sure about getting paid.
But here this is, what if any project fails to raise enough funds and then decided to close the business? There will not be any use of this reward. One alternative could be the escrow the payment in ETH or BTC which seems very rare at this moment with such market conditions.

Escrow of Bounty rewards is not an easy task. The team in question might decide to make payments by themselves by so doing, they give the manager no access to the bounty funds. Secondly not all projects will agree to it some might feel the manager can manipulate the payments and probably take a better share of the bounty funds. The forum should initiate the escrow rules then all projects will see it as a standing order and obey it. A bounty manager is just an employee like the hunters but with a little difference.

Escrow fund is too much difficult in every project because most of project teams are going against this way. Julerz12 BM doing that from own responsibility. Escrow fund help to getting payment on time but in the as usual campaign payment will be delay from their schedule because team's can be change their rules anytime likes i see in tokoin campaign.                       

Must joining with bounty campaign project and should escrow for bounty campaign reward, if many bounties campaign not allowed for escrow I think better for leaving and keep joing with several bounty campaign have announce first with escrow. Best way and get guarantee about our payment after bounty finish.

Escrowing the campaign funds is the best way to ensure the team will pay the hunters, but that is not only the problem we have.
Even the campaign fund escrowed, we will have to know when the campaign will end, otherwise they never end and never pay hunters.

Escrowing bounty rewards be a great relief to both hunters and Bounty managers because everyone will work with their heart and nobody is afraid of cheating.
Alot of projects have wasted Hunters time in the past with some cheating attitudes so the Escrow will breed most hunter's confidence back. Other managers should emulate the one's mentioned here below.

Bounty manager can't be the benchmark to get results I personally choose Bounty not see who the Bounty Manager is but I chose the bounty from the quality of the project

Julerz12 is goo but we have other good BM too, I like bubbalex more, I've never heard from anyone that a bounty project failed to pay and the bounty was in charge of bubbalex, the guy is a professional bounty manager

There is no sense in Escrowing the funds if the project tend to scam people,yeah lets say they will let escrow the payments for the hunters but after the bounty the coins or token will have no value?
the Sincere Bounty manager will check briefly every project he will run and not just for the payment he will receive but the outcome of each projects.they are concern for the Hunters and not only in their own profit.

It remains to believe and once again believe that changes for the better will occur soon.  I did not participate in any company voiced in this topic.  And for the future, I drew attention to the manager of Julerz12, I will take part in his next companies.  There are other good managers.  I will not name names, everyone knows them. The escrow option is very useful and safe for people involved in the bounty.

I totally agree with you, Bubalex is the best bounty manager at the moment. He manages the campaigns very well and the projects are very good. He recently managed the Cartesi campaign and now they have an IEO in Binance, obviously this is the best campaign in 2020.

You are absolutely right. Bubbalex is very well managed bounty manager and he is very helpful and kind to hunters! He never left his supporters, always keeps sharing the updates of his every bounty campaign. Arteezy was doing better though but now it’s bubbalex time. Congratulations to Cartesi participants, I left Cartesi signature for BestChange and I made a good decision too!   

Having an escrows with the bounty campaign is much more safer to join in, because of this matter. I can assure that, and this was already proven and tested actually. That's why its been so hard for the bounty campaign were there's no escrows in it. And its too risky I mean there is a 50/50 chances to succeed once the project campaign finish.

One project that has done an escrow was GEOMADAO, they are now in the distributing stage, hopefully things will go well, and GEOMADAO will become a very good project and other project coming in will allow escrow by the bounty manager, but they should make sure that the bounty manager that they are going to get is trustworthy.

I think before a manager can make such a request, they will have to reach a certain level and have lots of successful bounties that paid hunters before they can ask those that are running the bounty to pay in escrow.

@OP, you do have a good idea, and I’m fully in support of that, but it’s not possible in every situation. I’m strongly hoping that they find a solution to this, because the few bounty managers that are using escrow are not enough for the whole people in this forum that wants to be into bounty campaigns. It’s also up to you to look deep into any bounty before we start working on it.

The problem is there are not so many platforms who were wanna doing this. Since the bounty campaign exist and I can say not so many new projects were wanna sending their funds to the escrow to give more guarantee to the participants. Ah this idea will never be implemented. It looks like people aware about that too.

Julerz12 managed to reduce the scammers and enough to help the bounty hunter to not be disappointed because many projects scams that have made the bounty hunter profession disappointed and feel that they are useless because some of their projects follow alternately fraud. hopefully with this escrow method can be applied in all bm bounty. in order to become a bounty hunter more passion to do their job.