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Economy => Scam Accusations => Topic started by: elmanchez on April 07, 2020, 03:30:31 PM



Title: Scam by user @Railal [RESOLVED]
Post by: elmanchez on April 07, 2020, 03:30:31 PM
What happened:: Yesterday I decided to exchange my 0.005 BTC for LTC and Railal volunteered to help me, with whom I had already made a couple of successful transfers.
I sent him 0.005 BTC and he said that after a while he will send me the LTC. It took about 20 hours, but I did not receive anything and does not respond to messages. I don't think that he deceived me, but I saw his activity, he went to the forum not long ago. In order to avoid other victims, we could paint it red and remove the mark if it pays me

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2730493

Reference Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5238375.0
Amount Scammed: 0.005
Payment Method: BTC
Proof of Payment: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/33c313e7957406a3241668e3a4b7747b1c2e45dea0ce5f685bbfaaa38ba9d1bc
PM/Chat Logs: https://ibb.co/CPSng3q
Additional Notes:  Thanks hank you for understanding.
I fully believe that he will come and pay
How i can see he already withdraw the money from btc adress.


Title: Re: Scam by user @Railal
Post by: asu on April 07, 2020, 03:46:38 PM
Painted negative neutral. I'll remove it once it's resolve.

How i can see he already withdraw the money from btc adress.
If it Spent in which it looks like that way.


Title: Re: Scam by user @Railal
Post by: elmanchez on April 07, 2020, 04:12:19 PM
Painted negative. I'll remove it once it's resolve.

How i can see he already withdraw the money from btc adress.
If it Spent in which it looks like that way.


Thank you for responding.
In fact, I do not care about 0.005 BTC.
It’s just a pity if this person turns out to be a cheater.

Thanks for the feedback.


Title: Re: Scam by user @Railal
Post by: sujonali1819 on April 07, 2020, 04:17:48 PM
Sometime little bit let should be considered. But when someone don't response of message mainly in this type case should not looks good to me. Tagged for now. It will be removed when all issues will be resolved.  If so don't forgot to notify in this thread.


Title: Re: Scam by user @Railal
Post by: LoyceV on April 07, 2020, 04:52:39 PM
I see an accusation, but I see no evidence. In fact, OP initially posted "Everything went smooth! (http://loyce.club/archive/posts/5416/54169640.html)", before editing this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5238375.msg54169640#msg54169640).

Also:
  • Negotiating addresses over Telegram is bad practice: there's no way to prove what was said, and Telegram is often used by scammers. It allows to delete chats and change usernames.
  • The chat screenshot (https://ibb.co/CPSng3q) shows unclear communication. If you make a trade, you should use clear language that can only be interpreted in the correct way. Phrases like "rerurned", "changeb", "500k/0.005", "Ya", "ofc" and "Do you need?" don't sound like you're making a business deal.
  • You mentioned 0.005 BTC, but only sent (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/33c313e7957406a3241668e3a4b7747b1c2e45dea0ce5f685bbfaaa38ba9d1bc) 0.00495000 BTC.
  • There are several "instant" exchanges that allow this small trade, even without KYC. My favourite is in LoyceMobile's signature (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1903546). There's no need to risk this with a stranger.
  • You posted in Marketplace (Altcoins) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=161.0), but since it involves Bitcoin, it should/could have been posted in Currency exchange (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=53.0).


Title: Re: Scam by user @Railal
Post by: elmanchez on April 07, 2020, 05:04:36 PM
I see an accusation, but I see no evidence. In fact, OP initially posted "Everything went smooth! (http://loyce.club/archive/posts/5416/54169640.html)", before editing this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5238375.msg54169640#msg54169640).

Also:
  • Negotiating addresses over Telegram is bad practice: there's no way to prove what was said, and Telegram is often used by scammers. It allows to delete chats and change usernames.
  • The chat screenshot (https://ibb.co/CPSng3q) shows unclear communication. If you make a trade, you should use clear language that can only be interpreted in the correct way. Phrases like "rerurned", "changeb", "500k/0.005", "Ya", "ofc" and "Do you need?" don't sound like you're making a business deal.
  • You mentioned 0.005 BTC, but only sent (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/33c313e7957406a3241668e3a4b7747b1c2e45dea0ce5f685bbfaaa38ba9d1bc) 0.00495000 BTC.
  • There are several "instant" exchanges that allow this small trade, even without KYC. My favourite is in LoyceMobile's signature (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1903546). There's no need to risk this with a stranger.
  • You posted in Marketplace (Altcoins) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=161.0), but since it involves Bitcoin, it should/could have been posted in Currency exchange (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=53.0).

Okay, there is too little evidence. I will try to withdraw all negative reviews and close this topic.
But the fact that the deception was committed.
In fact, all your points in the case are well-reasoned.
I just do it to avoid other victims.

But I had a couple of affairs with him and everything went well until this moment, so I made a deal in telegram and quickly. Thank you for pointing mistakes.


Title: Re: Scam by user @Railal
Post by: LoyceV on April 07, 2020, 05:07:23 PM
Thank you for pointing mistakes.
Good luck! The main point of my post was indeed to keep track of (future) trades by posting all evidence on the forum.


Title: Re: Scam by user @Railal
Post by: elmanchez on April 07, 2020, 05:20:40 PM
Guys, You can remove you tags. This topic is closed.


Title: Re: Scam by user @Railal
Post by: elmanchez on April 08, 2020, 06:23:13 PM
Repaid and even more.


Title: Re: Scam by user @Railal [RESOLVED]
Post by: Railai on April 09, 2020, 01:39:22 PM
I have sent yesterday, well he sent me at evening and I was not aware that he wants it so fast or whatever. Next day were some issues that are not worth to describe. As I got back on telegram and I saw his messages I sent him a bit more with .2 ltc more.

Whatever, I think the matter is closed now, sorry for his delay but was not my intent at all to delay him.

Regarding that spent. It's not a personal wallet such as electrum or blockchain.com, so the spent can come at any moment.

Guess all is fine now and he is happy.